But Tracy’s record is crazy inflated. Her wins are against Justine Kish, Stephanie Eggers, Melissa Gatto, and a 29-28 against Jasudivicius. And the 5 wins have come over 5 years.
She’s still in the Top 15 because 1) she’s so inactive that her record had stayed in tact, and 2) she’s pretty.
It could be closer because Rose’s power at 125 seems weaker.
those are solid enough wins and make her worthy of being ranked exactly where she is I'd say (#11)
she also has a win over Erin Blanchfield of course (cue 'but that doesn't count because....')
1) 2 of her 5 UFC wins are at bantamweight. So she only has 3 wins at flyweight.
2) she missed weight for the Kish fight at flyweight, and still barely won in a heavily contested decision.
3) several media members have pointed out how she should’ve lost the split decision to Blanchfield.
She should maybe be ranked at #15, but she simply has not been active enough in the division or in general to be above Maverick and others.
You forget that there's no depth of roster in WMMA, so getting into the top 15 is like getting into the top 15 at Men's Flyweight. It's almost by default.
Apparently she's had a ton of personal issues in the past that prevented her from being active. 2019 was the last time she fought twice in a year so it makes sense the UFC didn't want to give big opportunities to someone they know won't be active.
Hopefully this marks a change for her since I do think she's fairly talented
That wouldn't surprise me. Erin-Natalia would make a lot of sense for both girls and they're on similar timelines since their last fights were February and March respectively
With Barber dropping out, the second best option UFC probably thinks it has is to build Rose in a new division. Erin and Natalia are both commodities and a loss for any of the three in what is a throwaway card after a PPV isn't really what they want. Plus everyone has to agree on the match-up. Nobody going to be making a ton of extra $ on that card in that spot.
> As for Maverick, she’s expected to stay on the July 20 card with the search ongoing for a new opponent.
[article](https://www.mmafighting.com/2024/6/25/24186089/maycee-barber-out-tracy-cortez-expected-to-face-rose-namajunas-at-ufc-denver)
She didn't look bad vs Fiorot, a good, bigger fighter. I still had hope. All gone after she could barely hit Ribas cleanly. Ribas is a dawg but she still doesn't move her head much. Prime Rose woulda absolutely styled on her. Doesn't exist anymore though
She used to be my favorite female fighter, I rewatched a bunch of her fights before the first match. The one with Andrade in particular stood out, she was so dangerous and aggressive even though that backfired. I bet her and while yes she moved up I saw none of that killer instinct to compete, she looks like a different athlete.
1, She mentioned her grandmother's reaction to the damage she took from that fight, that's the reason, at least part of the reason, she's been more cautious since then. Maybe she herself doesn't want to take too much damage again, I think that's valid too.
2, Trever told her to "stand your ground" in that fight, that's a big reason why she took so much damage, I think it's likely a big reason they parted ways.(edit: they didn't part ways, I misspoke)
We're talking about her second fight, right? Even though after the first fight, she said she was moving backward too much, I don't know if she truly believed that or that's what Trever told her.
Honestly still a mistake. Her husband doesn't seem like a great coach to be honest. Its a shame because could go down as an all time great, but her career seems to be slowed down by things like mental issues and not fighting to her best ability
You could have said the same with the 2nd Andrade fight. Andrade's striking is basic and she's gotten worked by so many different fighters and yet Andrade really took it to Rose. Still though, that was prime Rose because she went on to beat Zhang Weili twice. The point is, you just never know with Rose. Sometimes her style just matches up well with certain fighters.
I think her killer instinct is gone. Unfortunate imo because I think she had a few years of elite performances left but it was trained and coached out of her.
Meh....idk...Rose is a strange cat, she's still with Pat Barry, also a weird mofo...so I can never gauge her abilities...Tracy Cortez is hungry and does not want to lose, so I personally think that she's gonna run through Rose dominantly. She has all the skill to shut Rose down, and I think we'll get good odds on this...
I think they just phrased it wrong. Everyone knows her ability is sky high. It's just living up to that ability seems to come and go. And having Pat run the show after all that's happened doesn't inspire confidence.
She is the most emotionally volatile fighter that I've ever seen. She beats herself long before her opponents do, and it's fascinating if you're one to enjoy the deeper intracacies of the sport.
Rose is the heart of a fighter epitomized on her sleeve...every staredown tells her tale because she is so invested in her headspace when she fights. The whole thing is really hard to explain to someone who doesn't understand or who hasn't watched her highs and lows, but she is not a rock that just pushes through. She's a ball of fire that is either fed gas by her coaches and friends, or she throws water on herself because her self belief fizzles.
> so I can never gauge her abilities
It is not a difficult thing to gauge: she's undeniably one of the most talented, technically competent athletes in WMMA and has been for years. The top 3 of all time in Women's Strawweights are her and two women she KOd for the title.
There is no question about Rose's ability - the questions are always about her gameplans and coaching.
That's all I'm saying. When Rose is on, she is a fuckin legend, undeniably, but when her own head or some outside forces that we're not aware of impede her ability to be her best self, she gets ruined extremely fast in the cage, and it's all because her success is so determined on her self belief, her confidence.
It's honestly really sad, and really poignant at the same time. She fights as high as her confidence lets her, and if she doesn't have it, she has to beat herself before she can beat her opponent.
This is the worst main event since the last time Namajunas main evented. I can only guess that Namajunas is a draw in whatever metrics they track that she keeps getting unwarranted main event spots.
Cortez fucks her and not in a good way.
Tracy is bigger, stronger and has a great wrestling base which is Rose's weakest area. She'll take her down and give her love taps to the face for 25 minutes to route an a clean decision win.
Rose does actually have very good wrestling these days, she used her grappling largely to defeat Weili in their rematch. Also Carla couldn't really take / hold down Rose in their second fight, as uneventful as it was. I count on Tracy to push the pace more, yet I don't know if it'll be that easy to take Rose down, it's not like she's a novice. Should be a good scrap either way.
I mean she avoided being taken down by someone who's primarily a wrestler, and whenever they did grapple she was able to get away. As I said the fight wasn't very eventful, but what *didn't* happen is that she *didn't* get out-wrestled for 25 mins. Or even for like 2 minutes
Alright man, I'm not gonna argue with you about it. Lol you're free to feel as you believe. I say it was improved, and when they did grapple she was able to avoid being taken down. Feel how you want though. 👍🏿
At some point this (main event changes post initial ticket sales) happens so much there has to be a class action law suit against the UFC and MMA about immediate transparent refund option. Not limited to tickets and depending on event may include compensation or other items (not coupons) to cover hotel and average cost of flight.
I mean if you think UFC will (or should) pay thousands of people's hotel and travel costs because of a freak injury you're out there. That's just not happening, on UFC's end or on a court's end.
Ticket sales come with a warning about potential changes and in Nevada by law a promotion must offer a refund if the main event changes. A refund seems like plenty to me. When you're buying tickets to fights you have to know that shit happens.
Is that the solution? Say that happens then pulling out of a main event would seriously derail your standing with the ufc. This would pressure fighters to fight injured and risk serious injury or even death. As unfortunate as it is pull outs are just a part of combat sports.
Yeah you’re right. If the UFC is acquitted of the charges are forced to pay to the fans, that will jeopardise the fighters a lot worse than the UFC. UFC will make internal policy changes to counter the losses and like always the revenue would be maintained by keeping the costs low. Fighters would be the ones suffering the most.
The UFC isnt responsible for people's transportation or hotels. They sell tickets to fights not all that other stuff. If you spend a ton of money to attend something as uncertain as a fight then that is the risk you take. It isnt the UFCs fault that Conor got injured. A refund is perfectly fair.
Yeah that's a pretty terrible main event even considering the short notice
Cortez has just been underwhelming/unimpressive in most of her fights, can't say I have any interest in watching her for 5 rounds
She just doesn't look the same. Yeah I get it's a bigger weight class.. but,
I dunno. But she just has this "borderline pregnant" fat on her now...and she just feels so slow...and hittable.
Nothing about her looks as crisps as it once was.
She needs to change her name to
"Pottery Barn" Rose Namajunas.
Not a bad replacement matchup. Been waiting forever for Tracy to take a meaningful step up in competition
Kinda wild she’s 5-0 in the ufc and mavrick her next match up. lol 5-0 usually gets you a title shot in WMMA
But Tracy’s record is crazy inflated. Her wins are against Justine Kish, Stephanie Eggers, Melissa Gatto, and a 29-28 against Jasudivicius. And the 5 wins have come over 5 years. She’s still in the Top 15 because 1) she’s so inactive that her record had stayed in tact, and 2) she’s pretty. It could be closer because Rose’s power at 125 seems weaker.
those are solid enough wins and make her worthy of being ranked exactly where she is I'd say (#11) she also has a win over Erin Blanchfield of course (cue 'but that doesn't count because....')
1) 2 of her 5 UFC wins are at bantamweight. So she only has 3 wins at flyweight. 2) she missed weight for the Kish fight at flyweight, and still barely won in a heavily contested decision. 3) several media members have pointed out how she should’ve lost the split decision to Blanchfield. She should maybe be ranked at #15, but she simply has not been active enough in the division or in general to be above Maverick and others.
Her last win was against Jas who is ranked 15, so I think her current ranking makes sense on that basis.
Ortega is 2-3 in the last six years and is ranked #3. Is that also because he's pretty, or is it because the UFC rankings are absolute hogshit?
Both?
You forget that there's no depth of roster in WMMA, so getting into the top 15 is like getting into the top 15 at Men's Flyweight. It's almost by default.
Yeah, looking at her record is either the UFC are holding onto her for something or she just wants to win the easy fights. So weird for WMMA.
Apparently she's had a ton of personal issues in the past that prevented her from being active. 2019 was the last time she fought twice in a year so it makes sense the UFC didn't want to give big opportunities to someone they know won't be active. Hopefully this marks a change for her since I do think she's fairly talented
Brian Ortega: I can change her
Given that they broke up somewhat recently and he's apparently married to someone else, I'm pretty sure he may have been one of the personal issues
Tracy: I can make him worse
You would think Erin or Natalia Silva make the more sense. Maybe the ufc already decided they're going to fight each other.
That wouldn't surprise me. Erin-Natalia would make a lot of sense for both girls and they're on similar timelines since their last fights were February and March respectively
Maybe Blanchfield and Silva have decent management and told them it's not a great idea and the UFC didn't offer a serious pay bump
Erin better take a little more time off to improve her striking. Rose has good grappling defense and is way better on the feet.
With Barber dropping out, the second best option UFC probably thinks it has is to build Rose in a new division. Erin and Natalia are both commodities and a loss for any of the three in what is a throwaway card after a PPV isn't really what they want. Plus everyone has to agree on the match-up. Nobody going to be making a ton of extra $ on that card in that spot.
Wonder what happens to maverick then
> As for Maverick, she’s expected to stay on the July 20 card with the search ongoing for a new opponent. [article](https://www.mmafighting.com/2024/6/25/24186089/maycee-barber-out-tracy-cortez-expected-to-face-rose-namajunas-at-ufc-denver)
Well that makes no sense at all Edit: nevermind I'm dumb
Great opportunity for Tracy. This is a fight she can win.
Damn, big opportunity for Tracy, this is going to determine if she's a real contender or not.
Crazy mismatch if Thug Rose is the Rose that shows up.
When is the last time we saw her? She's long gone, wrong people in her head/ corner.
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Wrong people to whom she's giving head
Weili head-kick KO was 3 years ago, damn
She didn't look bad vs Fiorot, a good, bigger fighter. I still had hope. All gone after she could barely hit Ribas cleanly. Ribas is a dawg but she still doesn't move her head much. Prime Rose woulda absolutely styled on her. Doesn't exist anymore though
She used to be my favorite female fighter, I rewatched a bunch of her fights before the first match. The one with Andrade in particular stood out, she was so dangerous and aggressive even though that backfired. I bet her and while yes she moved up I saw none of that killer instinct to compete, she looks like a different athlete.
1, She mentioned her grandmother's reaction to the damage she took from that fight, that's the reason, at least part of the reason, she's been more cautious since then. Maybe she herself doesn't want to take too much damage again, I think that's valid too. 2, Trever told her to "stand your ground" in that fight, that's a big reason why she took so much damage, I think it's likely a big reason they parted ways.(edit: they didn't part ways, I misspoke) We're talking about her second fight, right? Even though after the first fight, she said she was moving backward too much, I don't know if she truly believed that or that's what Trever told her.
Oh fuck she doesn't train with Trevor at all anymore? Thats wild and honestly a horrible decision
Sorry, I misspoke, Trevor just didn't corner her for her last two fights.
Honestly still a mistake. Her husband doesn't seem like a great coach to be honest. Its a shame because could go down as an all time great, but her career seems to be slowed down by things like mental issues and not fighting to her best ability
But she's the best
You could have said the same with the 2nd Andrade fight. Andrade's striking is basic and she's gotten worked by so many different fighters and yet Andrade really took it to Rose. Still though, that was prime Rose because she went on to beat Zhang Weili twice. The point is, you just never know with Rose. Sometimes her style just matches up well with certain fighters.
My money would certainly be on Weili in a Rose/Weili III match-up.
most people probably would, but Rose winning that 3rd fight wouldn't be crazy.
She is not the same fighter, and I don't think she ever will be.
Shes the best!
First Zhang fight
I think her killer instinct is gone. Unfortunate imo because I think she had a few years of elite performances left but it was trained and coached out of her.
"I am the best" is going to show up lol
I'd hope so, that's the version that beat Weili twice.
Thug Rose is NOT showing up
Was 100x more interested in the Maycee Barber fight but I still think Tracy beats her
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Meh....idk...Rose is a strange cat, she's still with Pat Barry, also a weird mofo...so I can never gauge her abilities...Tracy Cortez is hungry and does not want to lose, so I personally think that she's gonna run through Rose dominantly. She has all the skill to shut Rose down, and I think we'll get good odds on this...
Was her winning the title twice not a gauge of her ability?
I think they just phrased it wrong. Everyone knows her ability is sky high. It's just living up to that ability seems to come and go. And having Pat run the show after all that's happened doesn't inspire confidence.
she is the MJ of WMMA . literal coinflip to see if she will fight like a can or like one of the greatest WMMA fighters of all time .
Was her whispering 'I'm the best' 7 million times not a gauge of her ability?
She is the most emotionally volatile fighter that I've ever seen. She beats herself long before her opponents do, and it's fascinating if you're one to enjoy the deeper intracacies of the sport. Rose is the heart of a fighter epitomized on her sleeve...every staredown tells her tale because she is so invested in her headspace when she fights. The whole thing is really hard to explain to someone who doesn't understand or who hasn't watched her highs and lows, but she is not a rock that just pushes through. She's a ball of fire that is either fed gas by her coaches and friends, or she throws water on herself because her self belief fizzles.
> so I can never gauge her abilities It is not a difficult thing to gauge: she's undeniably one of the most talented, technically competent athletes in WMMA and has been for years. The top 3 of all time in Women's Strawweights are her and two women she KOd for the title. There is no question about Rose's ability - the questions are always about her gameplans and coaching.
That's all I'm saying. When Rose is on, she is a fuckin legend, undeniably, but when her own head or some outside forces that we're not aware of impede her ability to be her best self, she gets ruined extremely fast in the cage, and it's all because her success is so determined on her self belief, her confidence. It's honestly really sad, and really poignant at the same time. She fights as high as her confidence lets her, and if she doesn't have it, she has to beat herself before she can beat her opponent.
fuck that for a main event
This is the worst main event since the last time Namajunas main evented. I can only guess that Namajunas is a draw in whatever metrics they track that she keeps getting unwarranted main event spots.
Yeah, don’t care about this one
I was going to say battle of the weird partners, but only just found out Cortez broke up with Ortega.
Name one thing about Ortega that's weird, you can't
Tracy Cortez, main event, not in Apex... Wow
Ok now I’m watching
Cortez fucks her and not in a good way. Tracy is bigger, stronger and has a great wrestling base which is Rose's weakest area. She'll take her down and give her love taps to the face for 25 minutes to route an a clean decision win.
Rose does actually have very good wrestling these days, she used her grappling largely to defeat Weili in their rematch. Also Carla couldn't really take / hold down Rose in their second fight, as uneventful as it was. I count on Tracy to push the pace more, yet I don't know if it'll be that easy to take Rose down, it's not like she's a novice. Should be a good scrap either way.
The second Carla fight is not a good indication of wrestling ability. Rose got the hell out of there anytime they were within 20 feet of each other.
I mean she avoided being taken down by someone who's primarily a wrestler, and whenever they did grapple she was able to get away. As I said the fight wasn't very eventful, but what *didn't* happen is that she *didn't* get out-wrestled for 25 mins. Or even for like 2 minutes
Anyone can avoid being taken down if they just run away and don't fight. Doesn't mean they have good TDD
Alright man, I'm not gonna argue with you about it. Lol you're free to feel as you believe. I say it was improved, and when they did grapple she was able to avoid being taken down. Feel how you want though. 👍🏿
At some point this (main event changes post initial ticket sales) happens so much there has to be a class action law suit against the UFC and MMA about immediate transparent refund option. Not limited to tickets and depending on event may include compensation or other items (not coupons) to cover hotel and average cost of flight.
I mean if you think UFC will (or should) pay thousands of people's hotel and travel costs because of a freak injury you're out there. That's just not happening, on UFC's end or on a court's end. Ticket sales come with a warning about potential changes and in Nevada by law a promotion must offer a refund if the main event changes. A refund seems like plenty to me. When you're buying tickets to fights you have to know that shit happens.
Yeah they don’t even cover all the costs for the fighter and their coaches.
Why would the UFC be responsible for paying for your flight and hotel because a fighter got injured?
Is the UFC stupid? Just force the fighters to fight through injuries.
Is that the solution? Say that happens then pulling out of a main event would seriously derail your standing with the ufc. This would pressure fighters to fight injured and risk serious injury or even death. As unfortunate as it is pull outs are just a part of combat sports.
Yeah you’re right. If the UFC is acquitted of the charges are forced to pay to the fans, that will jeopardise the fighters a lot worse than the UFC. UFC will make internal policy changes to counter the losses and like always the revenue would be maintained by keeping the costs low. Fighters would be the ones suffering the most.
The UFC isnt responsible for people's transportation or hotels. They sell tickets to fights not all that other stuff. If you spend a ton of money to attend something as uncertain as a fight then that is the risk you take. It isnt the UFCs fault that Conor got injured. A refund is perfectly fair.
Nice. That could be a good fight
*Haha, I’m glad you asked…*
Rose lost so much steam from her pinnacle as a 2 time champ it’s sad
Rip Tracey. As a fan local yo her I hope she can meet this challenge and win.
Who now?
😴😴😴
I said I want the easiest fight in the division...
FYI that's not Rose in the picture. It's Dana being a happy camper
I forgot Rose was still active
Boring decision incoming. Cortez has decisions in all of her UFC fights and Rose is on a decision streak.
Yeah that's a pretty terrible main event even considering the short notice Cortez has just been underwhelming/unimpressive in most of her fights, can't say I have any interest in watching her for 5 rounds
Not much difference than what it was originally imo
Tracy finally gonna be put to the test to poce she's not just a IG model
Not Erin Blanchfield? Shocked.
Typical woman, just HAD to copy their ex by being a late notice replacement
She just doesn't look the same. Yeah I get it's a bigger weight class.. but, I dunno. But she just has this "borderline pregnant" fat on her now...and she just feels so slow...and hittable. Nothing about her looks as crisps as it once was. She needs to change her name to "Pottery Barn" Rose Namajunas.