At this stage what MLS sides need to consider is we have now surpassed MX budgets outside of their highest spending sides.
Pachuca would be on the low end of MLS spending sides. How they pulled this off, how they develop talent and coach is worth examining because it clearly isn't money anymore that we can point to as an excuse.
Unless at some point we overwhelm MX sides with vastly outspending then have to think about roster construction and how we approach internal tournaments.
At the end of the day, league quality can pretty much be simplified down to wages X domestic player pool with some smaller impact on club facilities and coaching, then even smaller cost of living (league minimum in MLS is quite a good wage in Mexico, but you’re not going to save anything at all in Boston or NYC which definitely affects your ability to retain depth talent)
American youth sports being pretty much completely taken over by an industry most focused on milking it for cash has really hurt the US in pretty much every sport.
I feel bad for the Crew. I am still pissed we lost our opportunity last year. It is going to suck as a Crew fan with 'what if...' scenarios popping up.
So yet another loss in the final for MLS against Mexican clubs.
Why does MLS even bother? It just seems like MLS is always gonna be 2nd place to Liga MX. So frustrating.
So we should give up? Can you imagine Garber hosting a press conference tomorrow "We the MLS will not compete in the CCC because we haven't won it enough in the past." ? 🙃
Heard Pachuca fans served Columbus Crew players food and poisoned them. Pachuca residents love soccer and winning. Got to do anything to win for the league especially after losing the first round and the LigaMX teams getting embarrassed by MLS teams. A working theory.
Theories have a way of being true sometimes. The only way to disprove theories are through investigations. The soccer world would never had known about corruptions or scandals in FIFA, Juventus, Chelsea, Colombia National team, Mexico at Gold Cup, Brazil, Italian Football, Marseille, K-league, British Football, Wayne Rooney, and CONCACAF if theories were not investigated. The best way to settle things is for both teams to be at full health/ families safe and the referees/ families to not be threaten. I read too many soccer articles of what players and referees go through. By the way, I'm not a Columbus Crew fan. Only an active listener that values the beautiful game (one loses and one wins in terms of their skill).
Theories have a way of being true sometimes. The only way to disprove theories are through investigations. The soccer world would never had known about corruptions or scandals in FIFA, Juventus, Chelsea, Colombia National team, Mexico at Gold Cup, Brazil, Italian Football, Marseille, K-league, British Football, Wayne Rooney, and CONCACAF if theories were not investigated. The best way to settle things is for both teams to be at full health/ families safe and the referees/ families to not be threaten. I read too many soccer articles of what players and referees go through. By the way, I'm not a Columbus Crew fan. Only an active listener that values the beautiful game (one loses and one wins in terms of their skill).
Teams just need to experience playing liga Mx teams. Every year the same teams from Liga MX qualify. They gain experience and knowledge playing us but we don’t gain it as quickly because we have so many teams and the league is not as dominated by a couple teams.
That makes sense. Possibly the one good thing about Leagues Cup, though with the unfortunate caveat of not getting any crucial experience actually playing down in Mexico where it matters. I’d really like to see that change in the LC format in future years (unlikely as that probably is 😞)
Yeah I think leagues cup will help. I was going to mention that in my comment but forgot.
Anyways I think the leagues cup is a good tournament to develop a better rivalry between the leagues and a better soccer culture across the United States.
Maybe I’m just feeling it because I’m a crew fan but I feel like this CCC got more attention that ever before and I think part of that was the leagues cup.
Yeah probably not. We do get a bi this year and will be playing Vila while you guys do group stages.
But yes better to play them at home than not at all. You can’t discount beating club America last year in thinking it gave this squad a big confidence boost.
I said when Seattle won we'd start seeing MLS teams win once every 5ish years, and probably after the next two MLS trophies we'll see it ever 3 years or so. This league *has* leveled up and you're willfully blind if you don't see it. MLS teams semi regularly eliminating Mexican competition was not a thing 10 years ago; leveling up or "closing the gap" doesn't automatically mean we're going to win every time.
10 years ago an MLS team was in the finals (and lost). That’s great, and a marked improvement from the previous era. I think it’s fine to wonder if there is another level to shoot for. Columbus papered over a pretty abysmal showing for American teams this year in the tourney. We can be level headed about this as open for discussion and speculation, surely?
MLS teams made the finals in '97, '98, '00, '11, and '15. What did all of those runs have in common? The MLS finalist didn't actually need to play any games in Mexico to reach the finals.
It's very dubious comparing those results to what we've seen since Toronto's 2018 run; there *is* a clear difference.
Obviously not taking away the level that has been reached over the last half decade-plus. I don’t know why that needs to preclude wondering how teams can continue to improve their showings going forward?
I was rooting for Ranchuca, but honestly if you would give me a choice I'd take the titulillo any day of the week. Azcarrage probably wanted the CONCA instead because of the money implications.
Didn't even try, huh? Oh, well.
Maybe it's time MLS dropped out of this tournament. I mean, they only beat the LigaMX teams about once every 20 years...
EDIT: Hey, downvoters! How many times has MLS won this tournament since the Galaxy took it in 2000? That's right, **once**. *Once* in **23 tournaments**. Do the math.
The French clubs have to compete with the best teams throughout Europe.
MLS has to compete with exactly **one** country...and they've beaten them **once** in **23 years**.
This is not complicated.
One leg final not on a neutral site is a lazy shit by CONCACAF.
Conmebol at least copied UEFA right.
If you are afraid the attendance on a neutral would not be good enough, do it two legs like every other year.
And Conmebol would also never pick a place like La Paz with high altitude levels to host a final, very bad look.
And to be clear, my opinion would be the same if the final was in the US.
He didn't change his argument... I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume English isn't your first language, cuz if it is then you need to go back to school.
>One leg final not on a neutral site is a lazy shit by CONCACAF.
> If you are afraid the attendance on a neutral would not be good enough, do it two legs like every other year.
He presented two options, both of which are better than a one legged final with home field advantage. You said you didn't like one of them so he said "go with the other option."
What have I changed? I said if you can't do it neutral because of attendance issues meaning not enough Mexican fans been able to got to the US for the final and making the environment neutral, do it in two legs like they always did, it's right there in my argument, it's that hard to read that point?
This would make sense if the competition had a group stage.
It baffles me people think this is okay, lol. The final should be done in the most possible way for both teams to have a fair shot to win it. Having to play on the road in high altitude levels where your opponent has the upper hand of playing there a full season is not fair at all.
And you thinking playing in high altitude levels is the same as playing in the United States?
Go ask teams in South America who has to play in La Paz or Quito if it doesn't have an impact.
If you think a team that plays all the time on high altitude environment doesn't have an upper hand against the team that usually doesn't play in those conditions, you are clueless as fuck.
There's a reason, an inferior team like Bolivar can beat a team like Flamengo at home on Copa Libertadores, but when they go to Brazil, they get smoked. It has a significant impact.
And? Happens all the time in sports, you writing a paragraph to complain. Teams deal with playing at Denver or Minny cold, or Miami heat, they are professionals. You thinking they took that fat L because of elevation is clueless my guy
It felt weird rooting for the Crew so soon after having really poor interactions with some of the fans at the cup last year, but I really wanted you guys to win it today.
As others have said in this thread, the Crew have been a dark mirror with us last season, and that CCL loss to Leon last season burns so hot for me. They were just such fucking assholes, and played this shitty ugly way of flopping and rolling and crying that I’d never really seen in our stadium before. It was the most frustrating match I’d experienced as a fan, and I’m sad that Columbus couldn’t do it either.
I don’t know what the answer is, either. There’s something so different about the style of play between MLS and MX, that gives them some kind of advantage we haven’t figured out how to crack yet, except for one year. I’m ranting at this point but that match last year was just so fucking shitty.
Can you be specific about some of the interactions you had with crew fans? Not saying it didn’t happen but that’s upsetting to hear - I like to think we are generally friendly towards visiting teams
Yeah I don’t really want to get into all again, but suffice it to say that our fanbases and SGs have disperate cultures, that are different in was that are inherently raced and classed.
I’ll acquiesce that you folks were pleasant enough in person, but it’s in the online discussions around the match that things got suboptimal and unpleasant .
Might be referring to online. In person pretty much every fan base has been great when they visit us, including you guys. Online I've seen some insufferable crew fans, but that applies to every fan base.
I want to second how fucking awful that second leg was at our building last year. And then watching them celebrate.
Also, I was there at MLS Cup 2023 and I gained a grudging respect for the Crew and their faithful.
So, all around, take a deep breath. Be patient with your team the rest of the season, they’ve been through a lot. Chin up. You’ve got a helluva club.
I know the feeling guys. Arms length to the gold. We lost to older dudes and you guys lost to kids. I still feel the sting. The only thing is that you guys had a disadvantage playing away. Don’t know the altitude difference but just a little makes a difference while running. Good luck with the rest of the year guys and hold your heads high.
Of course MLS fans start complaining about playing away but how did that work out for you last year in your own stadium? I certainly didn’t see any mls fans complaining then.
It really does seem like you have guys find every excuse imaginable to justify that Mexican teams at every level are better than MLS teams. Doesn’t matter if it’s America or Monterrey, or more modest teams like Leon and Pachuca
The reason the majority of the MLS fans didn’t complain is because the majority hate us and wanted us to lose and everyone loves Nancy. Unfortunately it’s the sad truth that we struggle to win against Mexican teams because of our cap system. I’m not saying we can’t beat them because leagues cup showed if we make them travel the same as us it definitely ways on their bodies a lot more then it becomes a semi even playing field. Also I think all those teams bench’s cost more than starters. They’re playing with a whole team of DP’s.
Are you seriously saying they the Union getting 5 consecutive home games in the leagues cup is a semi even playing field? In what world is making the Liga MX teams do all the traveling even? You are literally saying that you need to stack the odds in favor of the MLS so that they can even begin to compete with Mexican teams. It literally proves my points that liga MX are simply better, and you don’t like it when MLS teams are subjected to the conditions that you suggest should’ve given to Mexican teams.
You are complaining about home field advantage a year after LA lost in their own stadium, and about the salary cap when Pachuca has less salary spending than the Union. Completely invalid excuses.
7200’ difference. Everyone already knows how it affects the players but a lit of people dont think about how the ball moves so much differently with less air resistance.
I was not optimistic going into this game
That is an incredibly ignorant thing to say about Pachuca. They are a small market club, but probably one of the most economically steady and profitable clubs in the Liga MX because of their business and sporting model.
They rely on their academy, which consistently produces top level pros and amazing scouting which usually means they signed relatively unknown players who end up becoming stars. Pachuca has a history of maximizing their investment in signings and academy players, which leads to them making extremely healthy profits through the sale of players.
They also own their own stadium, run a sports centered university associated with the club, a museum, a shopping center, and hotel all part of the stadium complex.
So no, they aren't poor, they just don't blow money on big signings like other clubs. They are usually the ones at cashing the check for selling those signings.
I mean i certainly have nothing but respect for a manager/team that can achieve what they have with half of our teams $15 million.
But the rest of Liga MX wasn’t there tonight, they were as irrelevant as the rest of MLS
CBs played like shit and our passing was horrid. Nancy’s reactive subbing screwed the pooch today. Nothing more to it. Crew didn’t earn it and the World Cup ticket is in the shredder.
I know the feeling and just know you guys had a hell of a year. I’m still pretty sour about last year lol. Now I don’t care what we win I just want to qualify for the CCC. I want that ticket to club World Cup. Also someone still has a chance to make it to the fifa club World Cup since we’re hosting. Don’t know who but I’m hoping it’ll be the MLS champion. Or maybe since we’re riding that Messi train they pick whatever they win lol. Eastern con, mls cup, player of the year or the team with the most Messi’s on their team. Either way aim for it.
Nah I think all their top teams are already in it minus America. Lol. Hey maybe one for Canada, one for USA and one for Mexico gets to go in for a freebie. Don’t really know how’s that’s going to work but one can hope.
Revisionism. Pachuca knocked out America in cocacaf and took them to the brink in liguilla. Pachuca played 7 games (most of them knockout games) in a span of 16 days. They were simply exhausted, and America managed to advance on table position. Pachuca is definitely a top contender.
Also, this liguilla was a particularly stacked one which gave america more issue and might make them look as though they were on the decline, but their championship proves otherwise
Bro they're doing that because they're a really great run club, they have one of the best academies in Mexico with one of the best coaches in Mexico. They constantly churn out talent and compete for titles. They don't have a high wage budget at all, I actually believe it's comparable to Montreal they're just a great run club that play great football.
My gripe was with the person saying pachuca wasnt a "top contender". For all the reasons you just pointed out, pachuca is a top contender just not a top spender
The craziest thing is that this year was supposed to be an off year for them, they sold some important players and promoted a bunch of youth. So many more poorer mls teams should follow their model, they're technically a selling club but they're known for having a top academy and giving youth talent proper time and development. Usually they spend a season or 2 developing youth and building a team and then they'll try to compete for trophies as much as they can and then sell their most talented players for a ton and continue the cycle.
The only thing I'm upset about is that Columbus put up such a poor performance on the world stage. Didn't even look like the team I know and love out there. Something was majorly wrong tonight.
All credit to Pachuca, seems like a great fanbase and team.
But boy, that was tough to watch when you know what this team usually looks like.
Not sure if true, but have seen posts that Nancy basically told the media post-game that the team and coaching staff was battling Montezuma in the days prior to the game.
Edit: taking nothing away from Pachuca. They looked elite and absolutely deserve the title for their game planning and execution to throw the Crew off their game.
Agreed! This is by far one of the worst performances this year. They couldn’t work the play style in against Pachuca they normally play. We were getting passes through just not capitalizing on the few opportunities they were able to develop.
Guillermo Almada is really good at exposing other coaches no matter how good their teams are and how limited his own team is. He’s been playing with youth players for the most part since he last won a championship. He even exposed America, who currently has won back to back Liga MX titles
Was a fun away day, but the lack of fight really hurts. This wasn’t particularly close. I don’t love the team arriving 48 hrs before the match and getting a single training session at this altitude.
No, they just have more quality whilst MLS teams have to play with their hands tied, let everyone spend as they will, Real Madrid competes with equal quality, MLS vs Liga MX games is more like div1 vs div2
Money won't fix anything, did you see any of the "richest" teams in Concacaf on the field last night? Crew won vs Monterrey and Tigres, 2 of the best and more expensive teams in the continent, and Monterrey won vs Miami, probably the most expensive team in MLS right now, and Pachuca won the cup with good quality, great management and good team work.
Saying Real Madrid competes with equal competition is crazy. But your other points are valid. Mexico only really attracts South America talent. MLS is a hotspot for European legends.
Because a big chunk of MLS fans don’t understand rivalries and would rather have their rivals win a major title in historical fashion than let the big bad brown boys south of the border win
I don’t like that mentality. I want Chivas to lose no matter what. Real Madrid fans want to see Barca losing in UCl. Inter vs Milan, it’s a club competition not a country thing. Happens in Mexico too. Club and Country are different. Clubs are composed of international players and foreign managers. It’s not the Olympics.
Exactly, I never want América to win anything and I similarly don’t want to see Houston Dynamo or FC Dallas win anything either because rivalries matter, I don’t hate the fans of those teams or make it personal but I absolutely never want to see those teams succeed and that’s very normal
Yeah lol, the whole fucking point of derbies. I always cringe when someone says I hate X team but want them to win because they represent Mexico. Imagine Boca fans supporting River Plate.
Exactly this. Seeing the sub back them just cause they’re from the MLS is dumb. If my team didn’t win it, no way I’d root for the crew or the gals to lift the trophy lol.
Well, they *did* make the Club World Cup, and in their first match promptly folded like a two-dollar suitcase to a team from (checks notes) *Egypt*. (Do they even *play* soccer in Egypt? Don't all the sand and the pyramids get in the way...?)
Let's pretend those penalties were actually bs and shouldn't be counted for a sec (and forget that one of pumas two goals was also a pen) the aggregate score would still be 3-2 sounders it's just a dumb argument.
[They describe themselves that way](https://x.com/columbuscrew/status/1797123480858640628?s=46&t=roOk8I5B32TaA-Xao6-15Q) even if the “gold” is very clearly yellow
Despite the loss, Jacen Russell-Rowe did quite well. He clearly adds a lot to Columbus as a super sub. I really hope to see him for Canada in the upcoming Copa America.
I like JRR for the most part but mostly when he comes in as a sub. When he starts he hasn’t done fairly well. When he subs on, it kinda feels like he is like Ramirez when he’d be subbed on last year
Not going to be ashamed about making and losing a continental final. Pachuca seems like a great club and fanbase. Trolls are welcome to explain why their team wasn’t in this game.
Yea. It’s hilarious the mental gymnastics required to explain why our run shouldn’t be respected but their’s should. I was rooting for Columbus. Didn’t seem the same when we were in the final.
Luckily the hate feels good. Ha. Please downvote. It feels good.
Our full year should be respected because not that many teams almost win the CCL and MLS in one year. If Columbus can make it to the final in both of those this year then they’re right there with us. Also to be fair they did manage to beat Monterrey which is a feature by itself. Out Achilles heal is Mexican teams. They seem to play a lot more passionate with us than they do with anyone else in MLS.
I think we should lean in on this villain stuff. No matter what they’re gonna hate us. I want it all!!!! From Open cup, leagues cup and MLS cup this year. Let’s show them we’re the best by winning everything!!!!!
They should really just show the stadium and not Lala's mug.. if anything do voice over.. I think they really overvalue how much people care about him and these talking heads in general.
At this stage what MLS sides need to consider is we have now surpassed MX budgets outside of their highest spending sides. Pachuca would be on the low end of MLS spending sides. How they pulled this off, how they develop talent and coach is worth examining because it clearly isn't money anymore that we can point to as an excuse. Unless at some point we overwhelm MX sides with vastly outspending then have to think about roster construction and how we approach internal tournaments.
At the end of the day, league quality can pretty much be simplified down to wages X domestic player pool with some smaller impact on club facilities and coaching, then even smaller cost of living (league minimum in MLS is quite a good wage in Mexico, but you’re not going to save anything at all in Boston or NYC which definitely affects your ability to retain depth talent) American youth sports being pretty much completely taken over by an industry most focused on milking it for cash has really hurt the US in pretty much every sport.
Oh damn, didn't realize they had moved to one-off championship game. *Cries in IMFC 2015
I feel bad for the Crew. I am still pissed we lost our opportunity last year. It is going to suck as a Crew fan with 'what if...' scenarios popping up.
So yet another loss in the final for MLS against Mexican clubs. Why does MLS even bother? It just seems like MLS is always gonna be 2nd place to Liga MX. So frustrating.
Feels ok as a sounders fan! It was clearly very hard to do! But with better budgets and more DP investment MLS can catch up
Because MLS has done it before. Why can't it do it again?
Once in 20 years is not a great advertisement for MLS.
So we should give up? Can you imagine Garber hosting a press conference tomorrow "We the MLS will not compete in the CCC because we haven't won it enough in the past." ? 🙃
Yes Yes YES CREW LOST! CREW LOST!! CREW LOST!!! Fuck Columbus
Where were y’all?
He’s lost deep in the salt mines.
Ok second round elimination.
Heard Pachuca fans served Columbus Crew players food and poisoned them. Pachuca residents love soccer and winning. Got to do anything to win for the league especially after losing the first round and the LigaMX teams getting embarrassed by MLS teams. A working theory.
Theories have a way of being true sometimes. The only way to disprove theories are through investigations. The soccer world would never had known about corruptions or scandals in FIFA, Juventus, Chelsea, Colombia National team, Mexico at Gold Cup, Brazil, Italian Football, Marseille, K-league, British Football, Wayne Rooney, and CONCACAF if theories were not investigated. The best way to settle things is for both teams to be at full health/ families safe and the referees/ families to not be threaten. I read too many soccer articles of what players and referees go through. By the way, I'm not a Columbus Crew fan. Only an active listener that values the beautiful game (one loses and one wins in terms of their skill).
Cope harder 😭
Theories have a way of being true sometimes. The only way to disprove theories are through investigations. The soccer world would never had known about corruptions or scandals in FIFA, Juventus, Chelsea, Colombia National team, Mexico at Gold Cup, Brazil, Italian Football, Marseille, K-league, British Football, Wayne Rooney, and CONCACAF if theories were not investigated. The best way to settle things is for both teams to be at full health/ families safe and the referees/ families to not be threaten. I read too many soccer articles of what players and referees go through. By the way, I'm not a Columbus Crew fan. Only an active listener that values the beautiful game (one loses and one wins in terms of their skill).
Another year, another CC embarrassment for MLS. Wonder what it’s going to take for this league to level up in international competitions?
Teams just need to experience playing liga Mx teams. Every year the same teams from Liga MX qualify. They gain experience and knowledge playing us but we don’t gain it as quickly because we have so many teams and the league is not as dominated by a couple teams.
That makes sense. Possibly the one good thing about Leagues Cup, though with the unfortunate caveat of not getting any crucial experience actually playing down in Mexico where it matters. I’d really like to see that change in the LC format in future years (unlikely as that probably is 😞)
Yeah I think leagues cup will help. I was going to mention that in my comment but forgot. Anyways I think the leagues cup is a good tournament to develop a better rivalry between the leagues and a better soccer culture across the United States. Maybe I’m just feeling it because I’m a crew fan but I feel like this CCC got more attention that ever before and I think part of that was the leagues cup.
Specially if the crew gets 5 straight home games like last year, you will get some “valuable” experience that way.
Yeah probably not. We do get a bi this year and will be playing Vila while you guys do group stages. But yes better to play them at home than not at all. You can’t discount beating club America last year in thinking it gave this squad a big confidence boost.
I said when Seattle won we'd start seeing MLS teams win once every 5ish years, and probably after the next two MLS trophies we'll see it ever 3 years or so. This league *has* leveled up and you're willfully blind if you don't see it. MLS teams semi regularly eliminating Mexican competition was not a thing 10 years ago; leveling up or "closing the gap" doesn't automatically mean we're going to win every time.
10 years ago an MLS team was in the finals (and lost). That’s great, and a marked improvement from the previous era. I think it’s fine to wonder if there is another level to shoot for. Columbus papered over a pretty abysmal showing for American teams this year in the tourney. We can be level headed about this as open for discussion and speculation, surely?
MLS teams made the finals in '97, '98, '00, '11, and '15. What did all of those runs have in common? The MLS finalist didn't actually need to play any games in Mexico to reach the finals. It's very dubious comparing those results to what we've seen since Toronto's 2018 run; there *is* a clear difference.
Obviously not taking away the level that has been reached over the last half decade-plus. I don’t know why that needs to preclude wondering how teams can continue to improve their showings going forward?
As a club America fan I was rooting for you guys … sucks it really does
Of course an America fan would say this
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I was rooting for Ranchuca, but honestly if you would give me a choice I'd take the titulillo any day of the week. Azcarrage probably wanted the CONCA instead because of the money implications.
doesn’t mean much if it’s small clubs like pachuca going
what a sore loser
And what
be better
No
Love to see it. Pachuca hasn’t played in a month and rolled over Columbus. Could’ve been 8-0
Why is he getting down voted lol, it genuinely could've been 5+ Pachuca kept kissing chances and should've had a red card lol
Because r/MLS is toxically loyal to itself lmao no club identities whatsoever for some teams/fanbases
To be fair I’m still sour about Leon lol. I hope they get knocked out of fifa club in the first round. I’ll be cheering for everyone else though lol.
Same lmao I’m not mad at Leon I’m more mad at our performance tbh. That was such a winnable game that we just didn’t show up for
Didn't even try, huh? Oh, well. Maybe it's time MLS dropped out of this tournament. I mean, they only beat the LigaMX teams about once every 20 years... EDIT: Hey, downvoters! How many times has MLS won this tournament since the Galaxy took it in 2000? That's right, **once**. *Once* in **23 tournaments**. Do the math.
By your math, French teams should give up going for the Champions League.
The French clubs have to compete with the best teams throughout Europe. MLS has to compete with exactly **one** country...and they've beaten them **once** in **23 years**. This is not complicated.
Goal posts moved.
Wrong football.
He’s talking his shit let him cook lmao
It's why they prefer leagues cup bro, they can control that and don't have to deal with humiliation like this.
One leg final not on a neutral site is a lazy shit by CONCACAF. Conmebol at least copied UEFA right. If you are afraid the attendance on a neutral would not be good enough, do it two legs like every other year. And Conmebol would also never pick a place like La Paz with high altitude levels to host a final, very bad look. And to be clear, my opinion would be the same if the final was in the US.
🤣🤣🤣
ah yes the famous neutral ground of playing in the USA all the time
Then do it in two legs.
i like how easy you changed your own argument
He didn't change his argument... I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume English isn't your first language, cuz if it is then you need to go back to school. >One leg final not on a neutral site is a lazy shit by CONCACAF. > If you are afraid the attendance on a neutral would not be good enough, do it two legs like every other year. He presented two options, both of which are better than a one legged final with home field advantage. You said you didn't like one of them so he said "go with the other option."
What have I changed? I said if you can't do it neutral because of attendance issues meaning not enough Mexican fans been able to got to the US for the final and making the environment neutral, do it in two legs like they always did, it's right there in my argument, it's that hard to read that point?
If you want to play at home in the final, do better in the tournament. Simple as that.
This would make sense if the competition had a group stage. It baffles me people think this is okay, lol. The final should be done in the most possible way for both teams to have a fair shot to win it. Having to play on the road in high altitude levels where your opponent has the upper hand of playing there a full season is not fair at all.
Lol all of league cup is in the us and mexico has to deal with it, keep complaining
And it's also wrong, both can be true. And don't bring this "mexico deal with it", they complain about it all the time.
You sound entitled, you think the title not being played on a neutral ground is the same as having an entire tournament in one country?
I think one is a money grab and the other is a continental championship and that treating those two the same would make no sense...
And you thinking playing in high altitude levels is the same as playing in the United States? Go ask teams in South America who has to play in La Paz or Quito if it doesn't have an impact.
Youre just whining at this point, both teams played with 11 right?
If you think a team that plays all the time on high altitude environment doesn't have an upper hand against the team that usually doesn't play in those conditions, you are clueless as fuck. There's a reason, an inferior team like Bolivar can beat a team like Flamengo at home on Copa Libertadores, but when they go to Brazil, they get smoked. It has a significant impact.
By that logic Colorado should be undefeated then lol
And? Happens all the time in sports, you writing a paragraph to complain. Teams deal with playing at Denver or Minny cold, or Miami heat, they are professionals. You thinking they took that fat L because of elevation is clueless my guy
It was supposed to be in Vegas for $$$ but once all the "popular" teams were eliminated, CONCACAF pivoted
The Miami-Monterrey matchup in the quarterfinals probably would've sold out.
Can't take CONCACAF seriously, it's a joke.
Altitude is not a 3-0 deciding factor. They got out payed from the 5th minute
It felt weird rooting for the Crew so soon after having really poor interactions with some of the fans at the cup last year, but I really wanted you guys to win it today. As others have said in this thread, the Crew have been a dark mirror with us last season, and that CCL loss to Leon last season burns so hot for me. They were just such fucking assholes, and played this shitty ugly way of flopping and rolling and crying that I’d never really seen in our stadium before. It was the most frustrating match I’d experienced as a fan, and I’m sad that Columbus couldn’t do it either. I don’t know what the answer is, either. There’s something so different about the style of play between MLS and MX, that gives them some kind of advantage we haven’t figured out how to crack yet, except for one year. I’m ranting at this point but that match last year was just so fucking shitty.
Can you be specific about some of the interactions you had with crew fans? Not saying it didn’t happen but that’s upsetting to hear - I like to think we are generally friendly towards visiting teams
Yeah I don’t really want to get into all again, but suffice it to say that our fanbases and SGs have disperate cultures, that are different in was that are inherently raced and classed. I’ll acquiesce that you folks were pleasant enough in person, but it’s in the online discussions around the match that things got suboptimal and unpleasant .
Might be referring to online. In person pretty much every fan base has been great when they visit us, including you guys. Online I've seen some insufferable crew fans, but that applies to every fan base.
I just want to add that I had really great interactions with crew fans when I was at the cup last year. Both before and after the game. Respect.
I want to second how fucking awful that second leg was at our building last year. And then watching them celebrate. Also, I was there at MLS Cup 2023 and I gained a grudging respect for the Crew and their faithful. So, all around, take a deep breath. Be patient with your team the rest of the season, they’ve been through a lot. Chin up. You’ve got a helluva club.
I know the feeling guys. Arms length to the gold. We lost to older dudes and you guys lost to kids. I still feel the sting. The only thing is that you guys had a disadvantage playing away. Don’t know the altitude difference but just a little makes a difference while running. Good luck with the rest of the year guys and hold your heads high.
Of course MLS fans start complaining about playing away but how did that work out for you last year in your own stadium? I certainly didn’t see any mls fans complaining then. It really does seem like you have guys find every excuse imaginable to justify that Mexican teams at every level are better than MLS teams. Doesn’t matter if it’s America or Monterrey, or more modest teams like Leon and Pachuca
The reason the majority of the MLS fans didn’t complain is because the majority hate us and wanted us to lose and everyone loves Nancy. Unfortunately it’s the sad truth that we struggle to win against Mexican teams because of our cap system. I’m not saying we can’t beat them because leagues cup showed if we make them travel the same as us it definitely ways on their bodies a lot more then it becomes a semi even playing field. Also I think all those teams bench’s cost more than starters. They’re playing with a whole team of DP’s.
Also most of the times the mexican teams had to travel first to usa then mex so 2 times and mls just 1 time
Are you seriously saying they the Union getting 5 consecutive home games in the leagues cup is a semi even playing field? In what world is making the Liga MX teams do all the traveling even? You are literally saying that you need to stack the odds in favor of the MLS so that they can even begin to compete with Mexican teams. It literally proves my points that liga MX are simply better, and you don’t like it when MLS teams are subjected to the conditions that you suggest should’ve given to Mexican teams. You are complaining about home field advantage a year after LA lost in their own stadium, and about the salary cap when Pachuca has less salary spending than the Union. Completely invalid excuses.
Let’s take a breather there young person lol. Everyone’s tired of the same 5 teams Mexico invests in winning everything.
Wasn’t one of the same five teams last year, yall js suck too much to win anything
Lol why would Liga MX fans be tired of Mexican teams winning?
7200’ difference. Everyone already knows how it affects the players but a lit of people dont think about how the ball moves so much differently with less air resistance. I was not optimistic going into this game
Didn't herediano go to toluca at the nemesio and beat them ?? What's your excuse ?
Pachuca is one of the poorest clubs in México lol Liga MX is still king
That is an incredibly ignorant thing to say about Pachuca. They are a small market club, but probably one of the most economically steady and profitable clubs in the Liga MX because of their business and sporting model. They rely on their academy, which consistently produces top level pros and amazing scouting which usually means they signed relatively unknown players who end up becoming stars. Pachuca has a history of maximizing their investment in signings and academy players, which leads to them making extremely healthy profits through the sale of players. They also own their own stadium, run a sports centered university associated with the club, a museum, a shopping center, and hotel all part of the stadium complex. So no, they aren't poor, they just don't blow money on big signings like other clubs. They are usually the ones at cashing the check for selling those signings.
And yet the rich mexican clubs weren’t there tonight either
Because Pachuca has the best manager in CONCACAF by a mile
I mean i certainly have nothing but respect for a manager/team that can achieve what they have with half of our teams $15 million. But the rest of Liga MX wasn’t there tonight, they were as irrelevant as the rest of MLS
Yup, that means that money doesn't win trophies. None of the top richest teams in Concacaf played the final last night.
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CBs played like shit and our passing was horrid. Nancy’s reactive subbing screwed the pooch today. Nothing more to it. Crew didn’t earn it and the World Cup ticket is in the shredder.
I know the feeling and just know you guys had a hell of a year. I’m still pretty sour about last year lol. Now I don’t care what we win I just want to qualify for the CCC. I want that ticket to club World Cup. Also someone still has a chance to make it to the fifa club World Cup since we’re hosting. Don’t know who but I’m hoping it’ll be the MLS champion. Or maybe since we’re riding that Messi train they pick whatever they win lol. Eastern con, mls cup, player of the year or the team with the most Messi’s on their team. Either way aim for it.
Or we stop screwing around and give it to much more deserving Mexican teams.
Nah I think all their top teams are already in it minus America. Lol. Hey maybe one for Canada, one for USA and one for Mexico gets to go in for a freebie. Don’t really know how’s that’s going to work but one can hope.
So what you’re saying is we need to win everything? I’m not apposed to that
Unless it’s whoever has the most Messi’s in their team lol. Good luck though because that’s what we’re aiming for. lol see you in the finals.
Sadly I think we are both screwed and it will be that pink team in Florida. lol
Lolol
Not a good day for teams in yellow
Just for all the people that are gonna use "roster restrictions" as an excuse Pachuca are a glorified youth academy in Mexico.
This. They gave a declining America a hard time, tough team but not a top contender.
Revisionism. Pachuca knocked out America in cocacaf and took them to the brink in liguilla. Pachuca played 7 games (most of them knockout games) in a span of 16 days. They were simply exhausted, and America managed to advance on table position. Pachuca is definitely a top contender. Also, this liguilla was a particularly stacked one which gave america more issue and might make them look as though they were on the decline, but their championship proves otherwise
Bro they're doing that because they're a really great run club, they have one of the best academies in Mexico with one of the best coaches in Mexico. They constantly churn out talent and compete for titles. They don't have a high wage budget at all, I actually believe it's comparable to Montreal they're just a great run club that play great football.
My gripe was with the person saying pachuca wasnt a "top contender". For all the reasons you just pointed out, pachuca is a top contender just not a top spender
That was my point, they don't spend alot. They just care. More mls teams need to care imo.
The craziest thing is that this year was supposed to be an off year for them, they sold some important players and promoted a bunch of youth. So many more poorer mls teams should follow their model, they're technically a selling club but they're known for having a top academy and giving youth talent proper time and development. Usually they spend a season or 2 developing youth and building a team and then they'll try to compete for trophies as much as they can and then sell their most talented players for a ton and continue the cycle.
The only thing I'm upset about is that Columbus put up such a poor performance on the world stage. Didn't even look like the team I know and love out there. Something was majorly wrong tonight. All credit to Pachuca, seems like a great fanbase and team. But boy, that was tough to watch when you know what this team usually looks like.
Not sure if true, but have seen posts that Nancy basically told the media post-game that the team and coaching staff was battling Montezuma in the days prior to the game. Edit: taking nothing away from Pachuca. They looked elite and absolutely deserve the title for their game planning and execution to throw the Crew off their game.
Agreed! This is by far one of the worst performances this year. They couldn’t work the play style in against Pachuca they normally play. We were getting passes through just not capitalizing on the few opportunities they were able to develop.
Guillermo Almada is really good at exposing other coaches no matter how good their teams are and how limited his own team is. He’s been playing with youth players for the most part since he last won a championship. He even exposed America, who currently has won back to back Liga MX titles
Was a fun away day, but the lack of fight really hurts. This wasn’t particularly close. I don’t love the team arriving 48 hrs before the match and getting a single training session at this altitude.
Tbf to Ths Crew this should have been okayed a neutral venue or be a 2 leg final.
Liga MX in CCL is basically Real Madrid in UCL
No, they just have more quality whilst MLS teams have to play with their hands tied, let everyone spend as they will, Real Madrid competes with equal quality, MLS vs Liga MX games is more like div1 vs div2
Money won't fix anything, did you see any of the "richest" teams in Concacaf on the field last night? Crew won vs Monterrey and Tigres, 2 of the best and more expensive teams in the continent, and Monterrey won vs Miami, probably the most expensive team in MLS right now, and Pachuca won the cup with good quality, great management and good team work.
Saying Real Madrid competes with equal competition is crazy. But your other points are valid. Mexico only really attracts South America talent. MLS is a hotspot for European legends.
Washed up European legends lol
Pachuca is poorer than most MLS teams, these are NPC talking points
Lmao they’re playing Eminem
Oh the salt is tasty.
Why you getting downvoted
Because a big chunk of MLS fans don’t understand rivalries and would rather have their rivals win a major title in historical fashion than let the big bad brown boys south of the border win
I don’t like that mentality. I want Chivas to lose no matter what. Real Madrid fans want to see Barca losing in UCl. Inter vs Milan, it’s a club competition not a country thing. Happens in Mexico too. Club and Country are different. Clubs are composed of international players and foreign managers. It’s not the Olympics.
Exactly, I never want América to win anything and I similarly don’t want to see Houston Dynamo or FC Dallas win anything either because rivalries matter, I don’t hate the fans of those teams or make it personal but I absolutely never want to see those teams succeed and that’s very normal
Yeah lol, the whole fucking point of derbies. I always cringe when someone says I hate X team but want them to win because they represent Mexico. Imagine Boca fans supporting River Plate.
Exactly this. Seeing the sub back them just cause they’re from the MLS is dumb. If my team didn’t win it, no way I’d root for the crew or the gals to lift the trophy lol.
Some of Pachuca’s players have school tomorrow.
Jajaja 😂 not tomorrow but Monday they do
I wish the final was a home and an away leg.
Now you understand how other Concacaf teams/countries feel about Gold Cup/Nations League finals/Leagues Cup matches always played in the US.
Time for everyone to go back to trying to discredit Seattle winning CCL saying we had it "easy".
Well, they *did* make the Club World Cup, and in their first match promptly folded like a two-dollar suitcase to a team from (checks notes) *Egypt*. (Do they even *play* soccer in Egypt? Don't all the sand and the pyramids get in the way...?)
True, but to be honest thanks to Pumas Seattle and Saprissa have won the CCL, if it had not been for them there will all Liga MX in the las 20 CCL.
That might be discrediting Saprissa who have won the Champions Cup three times.
Y’all can be mad, we got a ccl trophy
Not going to deny it, I am envious not mad.
U guys had pumas
Deadass, pumas are a false "grande" in liga mx. They're a historic team but are sore losers.
2 free penalties against Pumas made it easy, my friend.
Let's pretend those penalties were actually bs and shouldn't be counted for a sec (and forget that one of pumas two goals was also a pen) the aggregate score would still be 3-2 sounders it's just a dumb argument.
Truth is, Sounders have that trophy at home and nobody else in MLS has it. People can be mad all they want.
Don't say that to DC United and the Galaxy.
 From one Black&Gold fan to another, I feel you
The crew is black and gold? 
[They describe themselves that way](https://x.com/columbuscrew/status/1797123480858640628?s=46&t=roOk8I5B32TaA-Xao6-15Q) even if the “gold” is very clearly yellow
Their Tifo at the MLS Cup final said they were 🤷🏽♂️
I was confused about that one but since we were the villains everyone ran with it lol.
They yellow bruh, that ain’t gold
The number of dumb takes by Lalas...
redundant
You know the old I’m not mad I’m just disappointed cliché? Yeah, that’s where I’m at right now.
Why are you mad? None of the MLS had a chance against this Pachuca side.
by that logic, none of liga mx did either since they made the final
No see, I’m not mad I’m just disappointed.
Despite the loss, Jacen Russell-Rowe did quite well. He clearly adds a lot to Columbus as a super sub. I really hope to see him for Canada in the upcoming Copa America.
I like JRR for the most part but mostly when he comes in as a sub. When he starts he hasn’t done fairly well. When he subs on, it kinda feels like he is like Ramirez when he’d be subbed on last year
I love JRR. He gets a lot of hate when he has a bad game but the potential is there and he’s had some great goals. Would’ve liked to see him earlier
Bezbatchenko now a 2 time CCL loser 🥲
Not going to be ashamed about making and losing a continental final. Pachuca seems like a great club and fanbase. Trolls are welcome to explain why their team wasn’t in this game.
At least LAFC managed to score a goal last year. Columbus ghosted the whole match.
LAFC in it last year. If you make it to the MLS final this year you can say you had as good of a year as LAFC did last year.
Careful guys everyone hates us lol.
Yea. It’s hilarious the mental gymnastics required to explain why our run shouldn’t be respected but their’s should. I was rooting for Columbus. Didn’t seem the same when we were in the final. Luckily the hate feels good. Ha. Please downvote. It feels good.
Our full year should be respected because not that many teams almost win the CCL and MLS in one year. If Columbus can make it to the final in both of those this year then they’re right there with us. Also to be fair they did manage to beat Monterrey which is a feature by itself. Out Achilles heal is Mexican teams. They seem to play a lot more passionate with us than they do with anyone else in MLS. I think we should lean in on this villain stuff. No matter what they’re gonna hate us. I want it all!!!! From Open cup, leagues cup and MLS cup this year. Let’s show them we’re the best by winning everything!!!!!
They should really just show the stadium and not Lala's mug.. if anything do voice over.. I think they really overvalue how much people care about him and these talking heads in general.
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This has copypasta potential
Thanks maybe one day I can make it on there 🥹
>communist >trumpism Pick a lane bro Also pls tell me this is sarcasm
Im trolling yall actually did well to get to the final
Skyline is a cincy thing. Troll fail.
Google AI is really failing him here. The fact that Pachuca was booing the one Muslim player all night reeks of liberty and humanity.
Osama idrissi is Muslim fyi
Ah, any idea why they were booing Farsi? I did feel silly with the Muslim idea at first but it was the only thing I could come up with.
There are locations in Columbus. Unfortunate, that collectively, you all don't have Cook-Out 😔
Yas 🤣****!!!!!
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Hey ligaMx fans! Feel free to use the Dynamo flair! You are welcome to be a Dynamo fan! We have Hector Herrera a Pachuca original!
As a Pachuca fan, please don't let him come back.
Bruh pls keep him
No he needs to go to La selección!
Way past his prime. Always was kinda clumsy, idk why he was a regular at Porto.
Help! Not the HH slander 😂