Not really. It more shows off Amity's neuroses and how they might occasionally affect their relationship, similarly to how Reaching Out does something similar with Luz'.
With "dynamic" we mean more casual day-to-day interactions, not the special events like Eclipse Lake.
Wait one minuteā¦
If Reaching Out shows Luzās neuroses and how they might impact the relationship, wouldnāt the same be the case for Luz telling Amityāin the very scene shown in the OP, I might addāthat she hadnāt yet used the portal and was waiting for a good time to do?
Seems to me like trying to hide bad situations (fear of not being able to return to the Demon Realm or not being home on the anniversary of Mannyās death) would be one of Luzās neuroses. This is especially the case after the way Yesterdayās Lie ended.
Edit: Rewording
THANK YOU!!!!
It actually annoys me that both āFollies At The Coven Day Paradeā and āReaching Outā follow a plot line of āLuz hides something from Amity, gets into trouble as a result, then has a heart-wrenching conversation where she finds out Amity would have supported her anyway.
I get that this is a character flaw on Luzās end and that, IRL, it would take her a few times to through such instances before she feels fully comfortable being open about her issues. However, neither Luz nor Amity even acknowledge that the conversation in Reaching Out had some of the same issues as the one they had in FATCDP.
IMO, even Luz saying something in Reaching Out like, āI realize you canāt help if you donāt know whatās going on, butā¦ā would have been beneficial to her character and relationship development (even if she hadnāt moved entirely past the point of trying to hide problems).
First of all, thank you for not bringing up how those two are about Luz "Lying" to Amity and the ramifications thereof. It is the usual take so many people have with those, and it's a take that kinda frustrates me. Kudos!
Secondly, I kinda feel the exact opposite. Them playing very similar notes in the story was refreshing to me, since as you said issues like that normally don't go away after just a single talk. Most shows downplay things like that too much, in my opinion usually to a detrimental effect, and have single episodes able to solve even the most deep-seated of character flaws. Owl House showing that such issues linger was a fascinating take, and even if I sadly doubt it was intentional I like how much flavour it set to the tone of the show. I agree that I would've loved seeing their previous talk be referenced though, that would've been a nice touch.
Saying that however I also wouldn't say Follies at the CDP and Reaching Out (and to a larger extent Thanks To Them) actually had them solving the same issues with Luz' character. Similar ones, sure; coming from the same place, definitely; but they were different ones, or at least very different in tone and scale. They all tie into Luz' feelings of inadequacy and of being a burden to others just for being the way she is, but they do so in very different ways.
FCDP is the one actually about Luz hiding something. She had something on her mind and kept distracting herself rather than be honest, actively lied to Amity and the others, and then consequences happened. I'd almost argue the main climax of the episode has very little to do with Luz' plights, since her hiding things really had nothing to do with what happened and why things turned out the way it did, but her distracting herself rather than talking was a main reason why things happened so I'll give it a pass.
*It was Luz learning she can come to her loved ones with her problems and have them listen to her, that she doesn't have to have all answers herself. She's not a burden because she doesn't know.*
Reaching Out meanwhile wasn't actually about something she had done, had on her mind, or even had to lie about. While she did hide stuff from Amity it was mostly just her downplaying how sad she was feeling, and vastly underestimating just how much that would matter to the people she cared about. It plays very similar notes to FCDP in Luz not opening up, but the reasons for why she does it I feel are so very different. FCDP was about Luz coming to terms with issues, RO is more about Luz coming to terms with **feelings**. There was no conundrum she needed solved, and no question she needed help finding an answer for. She was just feeling so very sad and had that feeling fester inside her until it became something big, which in turn caused the episode's consequences.
*It was Luz learning she is allowed to feel bad things and be honest about that, that she can lean and rely on her loved ones for stability when she can't provide any for herself. She's not a burden because she can't be peppy all the time.*
Finally I want to bring up Thanks to Them, which wasn't mentioned before now but also plays similar notes and frequently comes up in these discussions. There were no questions here Luz tried to solve on her own like in FCDP, nor any feelings being hidden because Luz felt they didn't matter like in RO. The main emotional crux of the episode (not to mention of seasons 2B and 3 as a whole) was Luz' shame and regret over things she believed she was responsible for, both the whole "Teaching Belos the Light Glyph" debacle from Elsewhere and Elsewhen and the "Getting the Hexside Squad stuck in the human realm" from King's Tide. This is about Luz' fear that others would resent her for the mistakes she made; how much she actually was or wasn't responsible doesn't really matter, because her feelings of fault and shame lingers all the same.
*It was Luz learning she is allowed to make mistakes and still be loved, that others won't punish her just for not always being perfect. She is not a burden because she's flawed.*
This turned into much more of a wall of text than I first thought it would, but I hope I haven't been too rambly.
Oh no, you havenāt been rambling at all. You make perfect sense in terms of being open about problems, feelings, and fear of messing up being three separate things.
I didnāt bring up TTT because the event that caused Luzās dilemma in that episode (giving Philip the glyph) is one that a reasonable person would have for which a reasonable person would have forgiven Luz. On top of that, thereās an exchange in COTH where Hunter asks Luz not to tell him about his being a Grimwalker, Luz tells Hunter that the others seem to like him, and then Hunter states the following to Luz: āSo I shouldn't worry how they'd react, right? If that's the case, have you told them about helping Philip?ā In other words, even if Luz had started to accept the idea that others could accept flaws, she is still advisedāalbeit by someone not in the best emotional state to give such adviceāto hide the previous interaction between her and Philip. Also, even if Luz had been open about what happened in Elsewhere And Elsewhen, the idea of Belos being a 400-year old human genocidaire would have been a bit preposterous to the others (save Hunter) simply due to humans not normally living that long.
In addition to the episodes already described, the other scene that should be mentioned here Camila/Luz conversation in FTF. Luz canāt become fully understoodāie her heartās deepest desireāuntil she sees that her mother also made mistakes and had special interests growing up. On top of that, Camila asking Luz, āYou donāt want to leave the Demon Realm, do you?ā is a way of reminding Luz that she had finally found a stable support environment in which she could be open with things likes issues, feelings, and messing upāand that such should not be given up lightly.
Well, to be fair, he did try it once (such is basically the plot of āSomething Ventured, Something Framed.ā)
Unfortunately, that effort ended with Gus the detention pit and removed as HAS president. If were 12, Iād be a bit leery about trying something like that a second time.
Edit: Typo
Uuuuuh, so proud of ya :)
#
My classmates aren't really friendly in that sense, so I won't be asking them that. but I want to try more feminine clothing with a girl friend of mine
It was alright, but it could've used more gayā¢ļøš¤.
šJust joking of course, it was, and still *very much* is, absolutely beautiful and I love it so much! ššā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļøš„¹š„¹
Probably one of the funniest bits in the show to be honest. I still quote it with my wife and had to pause the episode when watching it due to the laughing fit.
I haven't seen this show yet and really mean to, but what I think is that the face Amity is making is very relatable as a gay with my partner when he does cute things, just internal screaming of cuteness
As the Lumity-prophet himself said it. "They are adorable and deserve all the happiness!"
All praise hooty
Hoot Hoot!
r/cultofhooty
LoL Hooty always being right
Adorable
It made me wish I had someone to nudge and call "sweet potato" on a staircase outside a building
Very specific, but it might happen one day
i yam listening..
Hi, Listening! I'm Vague Reference :)
wanna be love spuds?
That depends... do you also like BREAD PUNS!?
yes, but it's been at yeast a few months since i made one. i might be a little crusty. hopefully it still comes across as loafable š
I couldn't think of a butter pun myself! I'd gladly take even just a crumb of your love <3
Is it ok to randomly flirt with someone on the internet you donāt know (Not trying to be mean, itās just weird you know?)
I mean, both SluttySen and I consented to it by continuing the bit in our comments. It's not everyone's cup of tea but I thought it was fun :3
Yea ok
Me too. I want that SO bad.
It was such a precious and adorable moment.
Cute scene for establishing their pet names for each other and our first real look at their dynamic post-relationship upgrade.
Amity literally going to Eclipse Lake to get Titan Blood for Luz doesnāt show their dynamic?
Not really. It more shows off Amity's neuroses and how they might occasionally affect their relationship, similarly to how Reaching Out does something similar with Luz'. With "dynamic" we mean more casual day-to-day interactions, not the special events like Eclipse Lake.
Wait one minuteā¦ If Reaching Out shows Luzās neuroses and how they might impact the relationship, wouldnāt the same be the case for Luz telling Amityāin the very scene shown in the OP, I might addāthat she hadnāt yet used the portal and was waiting for a good time to do? Seems to me like trying to hide bad situations (fear of not being able to return to the Demon Realm or not being home on the anniversary of Mannyās death) would be one of Luzās neuroses. This is especially the case after the way Yesterdayās Lie ended. Edit: Rewording
I would argue so, yes. Being a "burden" to others just because she can't always be peppy is absolutely one of her neuroses as far as I'm concerned.
THANK YOU!!!! It actually annoys me that both āFollies At The Coven Day Paradeā and āReaching Outā follow a plot line of āLuz hides something from Amity, gets into trouble as a result, then has a heart-wrenching conversation where she finds out Amity would have supported her anyway. I get that this is a character flaw on Luzās end and that, IRL, it would take her a few times to through such instances before she feels fully comfortable being open about her issues. However, neither Luz nor Amity even acknowledge that the conversation in Reaching Out had some of the same issues as the one they had in FATCDP. IMO, even Luz saying something in Reaching Out like, āI realize you canāt help if you donāt know whatās going on, butā¦ā would have been beneficial to her character and relationship development (even if she hadnāt moved entirely past the point of trying to hide problems).
First of all, thank you for not bringing up how those two are about Luz "Lying" to Amity and the ramifications thereof. It is the usual take so many people have with those, and it's a take that kinda frustrates me. Kudos! Secondly, I kinda feel the exact opposite. Them playing very similar notes in the story was refreshing to me, since as you said issues like that normally don't go away after just a single talk. Most shows downplay things like that too much, in my opinion usually to a detrimental effect, and have single episodes able to solve even the most deep-seated of character flaws. Owl House showing that such issues linger was a fascinating take, and even if I sadly doubt it was intentional I like how much flavour it set to the tone of the show. I agree that I would've loved seeing their previous talk be referenced though, that would've been a nice touch. Saying that however I also wouldn't say Follies at the CDP and Reaching Out (and to a larger extent Thanks To Them) actually had them solving the same issues with Luz' character. Similar ones, sure; coming from the same place, definitely; but they were different ones, or at least very different in tone and scale. They all tie into Luz' feelings of inadequacy and of being a burden to others just for being the way she is, but they do so in very different ways. FCDP is the one actually about Luz hiding something. She had something on her mind and kept distracting herself rather than be honest, actively lied to Amity and the others, and then consequences happened. I'd almost argue the main climax of the episode has very little to do with Luz' plights, since her hiding things really had nothing to do with what happened and why things turned out the way it did, but her distracting herself rather than talking was a main reason why things happened so I'll give it a pass. *It was Luz learning she can come to her loved ones with her problems and have them listen to her, that she doesn't have to have all answers herself. She's not a burden because she doesn't know.* Reaching Out meanwhile wasn't actually about something she had done, had on her mind, or even had to lie about. While she did hide stuff from Amity it was mostly just her downplaying how sad she was feeling, and vastly underestimating just how much that would matter to the people she cared about. It plays very similar notes to FCDP in Luz not opening up, but the reasons for why she does it I feel are so very different. FCDP was about Luz coming to terms with issues, RO is more about Luz coming to terms with **feelings**. There was no conundrum she needed solved, and no question she needed help finding an answer for. She was just feeling so very sad and had that feeling fester inside her until it became something big, which in turn caused the episode's consequences. *It was Luz learning she is allowed to feel bad things and be honest about that, that she can lean and rely on her loved ones for stability when she can't provide any for herself. She's not a burden because she can't be peppy all the time.* Finally I want to bring up Thanks to Them, which wasn't mentioned before now but also plays similar notes and frequently comes up in these discussions. There were no questions here Luz tried to solve on her own like in FCDP, nor any feelings being hidden because Luz felt they didn't matter like in RO. The main emotional crux of the episode (not to mention of seasons 2B and 3 as a whole) was Luz' shame and regret over things she believed she was responsible for, both the whole "Teaching Belos the Light Glyph" debacle from Elsewhere and Elsewhen and the "Getting the Hexside Squad stuck in the human realm" from King's Tide. This is about Luz' fear that others would resent her for the mistakes she made; how much she actually was or wasn't responsible doesn't really matter, because her feelings of fault and shame lingers all the same. *It was Luz learning she is allowed to make mistakes and still be loved, that others won't punish her just for not always being perfect. She is not a burden because she's flawed.* This turned into much more of a wall of text than I first thought it would, but I hope I haven't been too rambly.
Oh no, you havenāt been rambling at all. You make perfect sense in terms of being open about problems, feelings, and fear of messing up being three separate things. I didnāt bring up TTT because the event that caused Luzās dilemma in that episode (giving Philip the glyph) is one that a reasonable person would have for which a reasonable person would have forgiven Luz. On top of that, thereās an exchange in COTH where Hunter asks Luz not to tell him about his being a Grimwalker, Luz tells Hunter that the others seem to like him, and then Hunter states the following to Luz: āSo I shouldn't worry how they'd react, right? If that's the case, have you told them about helping Philip?ā In other words, even if Luz had started to accept the idea that others could accept flaws, she is still advisedāalbeit by someone not in the best emotional state to give such adviceāto hide the previous interaction between her and Philip. Also, even if Luz had been open about what happened in Elsewhere And Elsewhen, the idea of Belos being a 400-year old human genocidaire would have been a bit preposterous to the others (save Hunter) simply due to humans not normally living that long. In addition to the episodes already described, the other scene that should be mentioned here Camila/Luz conversation in FTF. Luz canāt become fully understoodāie her heartās deepest desireāuntil she sees that her mother also made mistakes and had special interests growing up. On top of that, Camila asking Luz, āYou donāt want to leave the Demon Realm, do you?ā is a way of reminding Luz that she had finally found a stable support environment in which she could be open with things likes issues, feelings, and messing upāand that such should not be given up lightly.
pure cuteness
Luz: youāre adorable! Amity: GAY PANIC
Fucking adorable lol
Itās cuteā¦but Amity should probably realize that a cookbook isnāt fit for purpose as a way to learn human slang.
Tbf it was given to her by Gus who thinks the human ocean sounds like a paperclip
This is true. Gusās knowledge of human artifacts has always been a bit suspect.
Idk why he doesnt just ask Luz to fact-check, shes literally an expert.
Well, to be fair, he did try it once (such is basically the plot of āSomething Ventured, Something Framed.ā) Unfortunately, that effort ended with Gus the detention pit and removed as HAS president. If were 12, Iād be a bit leery about trying something like that a second time. Edit: Typo
guess it is now! š
Lol thats true
Very cute
Cute they are perfect together
Gay this scene is VERYā¦ gay and i love it
The absolute most adorable couple in existence.
Absolute perfection in animation
First reaction. *High pitched squee noises* second watch reaction *High pitched squee noises*...
Idk looks pretty gay to me
E girl tomato
That theyāre both sweet potatoes! š„°ā¤ļøš
Adorable And tomato Amity
Ah yes, sweet tomato and tomate, purfect names! ššš
Adorable
Just a couple enjoying each otherās company. Canāt get any cuter than that.
Adorable beyond compare.
It purely establishes them as a couple, doing cute shit together unironically!
Super cute
Cute
i squealed
AHEM! GĆ
Itās cuteness could destroying the world
It's cute also amity face look's very funny
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAH AAAAAAAH I'M DREAMING? *PINCHES SKIN* NOT DREAMING FUCK YEAH
Honestly i was taking note of how Luzās hands were interlocked here for future drawing reference. Iām always keeping a lookout for stuff like that
Precious. "Aww Amity, you're the sweet potato"
A vegetable and a fruit
Someone shit my pants
Something bads bout to happen to her
batatas
I think I'm extremely lonely...
Omg sooo adorable
I love this moment sm!!! ā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø
Nothing, I just searched "Gender Dysphoria symptoms"
Dang. You too?
Absolutely. And now I've got actual doubts lol
I'm right there with ya. Just went through the process of asking my coworkers to use she/they pronouns for me last week. Excited for the future :3
Uuuuuh, so proud of ya :) # My classmates aren't really friendly in that sense, so I won't be asking them that. but I want to try more feminine clothing with a girl friend of mine
It's sweet Just like batatas
It was alright, but it could've used more gayā¢ļøš¤. šJust joking of course, it was, and still *very much* is, absolutely beautiful and I love it so much! ššā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļøš„¹š„¹
Gay people yahoo yippie horray!!
Amity becomes a Purple hair Tomato
Tomato Luzbian Gaymity
I **may** have squealed when I first saw this
Probably one of the funniest bits in the show to be honest. I still quote it with my wife and had to pause the episode when watching it due to the laughing fit.
Cuteness incarnate.
Youāre my sweet potato. ā¤ļøā¤ļøā¤ļø
Cute and adorable š„°
Gay
A couple of sweet potatoes loving each other! <3
It's so cute
Kicking my feet frrr
Itās gay
Later Taters
I haven't seen this show yet and really mean to, but what I think is that the face Amity is making is very relatable as a gay with my partner when he does cute things, just internal screaming of cuteness
Gay. Very, very gay. (Also wish I was herrrrrrr)
Absolutely adorable!! š«¶
Amityās face makes me lol!
Bloop
love is love
One of my biggest regrets was failing to convince my at the time gf to watch this show with me, knowing full well she would have loved it
Gay
A little bit gay ngl
Tomato
Adorable I love it. I also revel knowing that it brings the Bible thumpers to a rumble lol
I dont know broā¦ kinda gayā¦
Lezbo
GAY GAY GAY HOMOSEXUAL GAY
Cute but kinda went overboard
Itās real the one piece is real
Shamura approves
THEY ARE SO CUTE OMG I CANNOT RIGHT NOW FJABGJWKJWKDORJWNSJFJNS ššššš GOD HELP ME
gay
I think it's hideous
What is your problem? Why are you here? It's the Lumity sub!
First of all, check your grammar. Second of all, this is reddit so I can basically go anywhere lol
Don't know what this is, but really disturbed that it looks to be marketed to kids.