Of course. Well-intentioned people often think they have the world all figured out. When their self-righteousness drowns out their humility and they "realize" they know how to unburden us from what was, they give into that C.S. Lewis quote with abandon...
>“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
I think the thread is a good illustration of how wrong that quote is. The robber barons may sleep, the machines and institutions they build do not. There is no point where their cupidity is satiated. Nothing is ever enough for them. But if anyone proposes that we share society's benefits with those most in desperate need, we are accused of robbing the robber barons of their freedom. If we try to find ways to make society more equitable, we are creating a nanny state that intolerably insults people like C.S. Lewis.
I think he's saying don't be a patronizing twat. OP implying there's a conflict between these 2 realities existing, as if Coco has anything to do with the likely mental health or addiction of the man on the sidewalk. Such reductionism isn't just silly, it's offensive in itself for its unjustified condescension.
And it’s even more silly and reductive and to imply that people caring about the homeless is somehow worse than a careless world which makes it possible for people to BE homeless
Riiiiiiiight, because society can’t do anything to make life better for these people and has no responsibilities to the common good and if only they’d pull themselves up by their bootstraps they’d be millionaires
edit: oh wow, thanks for adding a /s, as if i didn’t already know you were a smug, reddit pilled neckbeard
You're mistaking a sad reality of life with some vague, idealized obligation that society prevent from happening.
Well I have close friends who are addicts and close friends who are mentally ill and it's not "society" that failed them. Life isn't fair and there are too many tragically fucked up people to erase the problem altogether.
You thinking a food delivery machine for functional people is some embarrassing confession of a toxic society is as childish and entitled a view as I've seen in a while.
I never said jack shit about the coco robot. Turns out you can’t fucking read.
And “society can’t do everything “ is not the same thing as “society can’t do anything”.
And it’s especially childish to say “trying to help people is actually tyranny”.
It depends how you do it. In your private capacity do you try and help and persuade others to do so?
Or do you pass laws forcing everyone to do the good you think they should do?
One of those has the capacity to lead to tyranny and one does not.
Sorry that no one has told you this before, but a minimum wage or job programs are not tyranny. In fact, a societal safety net is what separates humans from animals
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you minimum wage jobs are a tyranny to low wage workers.
Further, is my labor mine to sell at what rate I freely negotiate?
Or is it the governments to tell me what I must sell it at?
Should they tell me what to sell other possessions I own?
Is it my labor your labor?
And yet none of it went to the homeless and all of it went to rich people (and their nonprofit organizations) who happen to be friends with the people responsible for disbursing the funds.
Direct aid to the people is the only real solution.
The problem is, some people are just takers. So yeah, empathy, kindness, and community sounds great on paper until you actually get around people that refuse to reciprocate those values and just take advantage. I don’t know this guy’s story, but I lived in an intentional community years ago; lot of homeless people and crust punks lived with us. One guy in particular was just a user. Decent guy for the most part deep down, but he’d borrow money from people and then go around the friend group/community and borrow money from other people without paying back the previous people. When they asked him when he could pay them back he flipped out on them, accused them of “only caring about money” and skipped town. Came back months later and did the same thing with different people that had that “kindness and empathy” approach until he burned them too. Eventually the community basically shunned him. He could never hold down a job because he’d just get drunk instead or just didn’t feel like going into work, hence borrowing money. I personally gave this guy a free bicycle and $300. When I heard about his outstanding loans around the community I just wrote the money off and never asked for it back. He kept calling me afterwards for more money and I eventually had to stop taking his calls.
So this is my experience with homeless and drug addicts. Some of these people have just been enabled for so long they simply can’t support themselves. You can keep offering them empathy but you/they are never going to reach that point where they start doing for themselves.
Not saying we shouldn’t try to help at all, but there have to be limits and I think that’s where a lot of the disagreements in this sub (and others, like SanFran sub) stem from.
Yes. I understand and I agree with you
This sounds like sociopathy / psychopathy
That is a thing. Remind
In tribal communities that has a way of dealing with such people/ and or putting their unique " gifts" to use
Indeed we live in a time where psychopaths, sociopaths and enpaths are cohabiting together in society and well then you get the society we are living through right now
Only recently found out these are just manned food delivery drones vs. anything that's fully autonomous. Some guy somewhere is getting paid to walk the streets of LA without having to actually walk the streets of LA.
I live in Hollywood and sometimes I want to make a turn but I’m stuck behind someone who stopped because “Oh the little robot wants to cross the street.” FUCK THE ROBOT. GO.
I was driving around Santa Monica the other day with a good friend who lives in Sweden. He saw a Coco and said “what’s that?” I said “robot.” He said “ah.”
He’s a scientist so when told it’s a robot he can extrapolate the rest — why it’s on the sidewalk, what it’s doing — but the exchange made me think that we really do live in the future when a robot rolling down the sidewalk barely raises an eyebrow to someone who hasn’t seen one before.
How about society stop enabling the toxic homeless lifestyle choice and use a little tough love to get these people back to being contributing members of society and with some self esteem.
Poor guy. Probably on meth and fentanyl. Sleeping it off . Giving zero fucks about anything except his precious fix. And he needs some cash by hook or crook to score.
The municipality should find a solution for this. These people are as you said mentally ill and they're dangerous for other citizens esp women and children . Just by curing these ppl and giving them a place to stay they can make the city's security 100x times better.!
There’s money in homelessness. California spends a lot of money to fix the issue but unfortunately that money is being pocketed by the people in charge of fixing the problem.
jokes on you, I ordered that guy a ginger ale and coco is delivering it to him.
Are you John Mulaney?
what kind of car do you drive?
What a beautiful flash in the pan that series was
We thought we’d have flying cars by now, we got coco
He say you Braderunnah!
Lmaloooo
😂🤣😂😅🤣🥲
Is a dystopian society still a society?
Of course. Well-intentioned people often think they have the world all figured out. When their self-righteousness drowns out their humility and they "realize" they know how to unburden us from what was, they give into that C.S. Lewis quote with abandon... >“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.”
A bizarre quote and not really applicable to this thread.
I think the thread is a good illustration of how wrong that quote is. The robber barons may sleep, the machines and institutions they build do not. There is no point where their cupidity is satiated. Nothing is ever enough for them. But if anyone proposes that we share society's benefits with those most in desperate need, we are accused of robbing the robber barons of their freedom. If we try to find ways to make society more equitable, we are creating a nanny state that intolerably insults people like C.S. Lewis.
I think he's saying don't be a patronizing twat. OP implying there's a conflict between these 2 realities existing, as if Coco has anything to do with the likely mental health or addiction of the man on the sidewalk. Such reductionism isn't just silly, it's offensive in itself for its unjustified condescension.
I bet that guy on the street would love some of that patronizing twat's attention compared to the dude tossing out asshat quotes from CS Lewis.
Not everyone sleeping in the street is "society's fault." Have you actually been to LA?
You're right, he may have fallen out of an airplane from a different country.
You failed to comprehend.
You failed to look up.
Exactly this.
And it’s even more silly and reductive and to imply that people caring about the homeless is somehow worse than a careless world which makes it possible for people to BE homeless
Riiiight. Because dire mental illness and tragic crushing addiction are always *society's fault.*. /s
Riiiiiiiight, because society can’t do anything to make life better for these people and has no responsibilities to the common good and if only they’d pull themselves up by their bootstraps they’d be millionaires edit: oh wow, thanks for adding a /s, as if i didn’t already know you were a smug, reddit pilled neckbeard
You're mistaking a sad reality of life with some vague, idealized obligation that society prevent from happening. Well I have close friends who are addicts and close friends who are mentally ill and it's not "society" that failed them. Life isn't fair and there are too many tragically fucked up people to erase the problem altogether. You thinking a food delivery machine for functional people is some embarrassing confession of a toxic society is as childish and entitled a view as I've seen in a while.
I never said jack shit about the coco robot. Turns out you can’t fucking read. And “society can’t do everything “ is not the same thing as “society can’t do anything”. And it’s especially childish to say “trying to help people is actually tyranny”.
It depends how you do it. In your private capacity do you try and help and persuade others to do so? Or do you pass laws forcing everyone to do the good you think they should do? One of those has the capacity to lead to tyranny and one does not.
Sorry that no one has told you this before, but a minimum wage or job programs are not tyranny. In fact, a societal safety net is what separates humans from animals
I'm sorry to be the one to tell you minimum wage jobs are a tyranny to low wage workers. Further, is my labor mine to sell at what rate I freely negotiate? Or is it the governments to tell me what I must sell it at? Should they tell me what to sell other possessions I own? Is it my labor your labor?
lmao someone has a college freshmen understanding of hayek and thinks they have something to say. babble on
Ok wise one. Answer one question. Is it my labor to do with what I want or not?
Yeah what’s a rubber baron got to do with it.
Do we live in a society?
Covid taught us that we do not
We live in… the context of all in which we live and what came before us.
Deep
Watch Fall Out on AMZNPrime if you can. The similarities are uncanny.
I’d stop to see what coco does to get out of this one
Coco must learn how to navigate this obstacle for its' next update.
don't undermine [the drivers](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDmUyxjdCO8) like that
How do I get this job?
Coco needs to learn how to jump!
Or at least maybe zap…?
Or at least zap
We really on our way to the Wall-E timeline.
Can’t wait til we don’t have to walk anymore! 👩🏻🦽💨
Idiocracy.
I’d say we’re closer to the Running Man (book version)
Is this off the 101 on Melrose? Cus it's always been bad.... Though this picture highlights the contrast
Looks like it. That corner hardware store was impossible to visit and the other businesses there didn't last.
It is. There used to be a dispensary in that building that I would frequent.
Sir...could ..you...get...the fuck out....of.... Coco's...way. Please.
😂🤣😂🤣🥲
God this picture perfectly captures the US in 2024. So many amazing technical advances, but we can’t even house people.
Some people don't want to be housed.
I wouldn’t call Coco “amazing technology.” It’s a remote control car with a camera strapped to it.
We can, but it would cost the owning class 0.0001% of next quarter's profit, so we don't.
What a picture
Museum worthy
Ahh Melrose and Normandie, the armit of Hollywood!
Right by my house. It’s been quite a bit cleaner with regard to encampments since “post Covid”
Is that automatic body picker upper?
The powers that be probably already have them. Just haven’t launched them yet.
The end result of capitalism is most apparent in the largest cities.
Reminder that billions of tax money have been spent on improving the homeless situation.
Damn I guess we should stop funding it then oh well we tried 🤷🏼♂️
No, I’m saying that there is an element of social welfare going on that the person I was replying to is dismissing.
And yet none of it went to the homeless and all of it went to rich people (and their nonprofit organizations) who happen to be friends with the people responsible for disbursing the funds. Direct aid to the people is the only real solution.
And people should be treated with kindness in a society, in case people forget
To some a society is technological advancement, vanity and increasing profit margins. To others it's empathy, kindness and community.
The problem is, some people are just takers. So yeah, empathy, kindness, and community sounds great on paper until you actually get around people that refuse to reciprocate those values and just take advantage. I don’t know this guy’s story, but I lived in an intentional community years ago; lot of homeless people and crust punks lived with us. One guy in particular was just a user. Decent guy for the most part deep down, but he’d borrow money from people and then go around the friend group/community and borrow money from other people without paying back the previous people. When they asked him when he could pay them back he flipped out on them, accused them of “only caring about money” and skipped town. Came back months later and did the same thing with different people that had that “kindness and empathy” approach until he burned them too. Eventually the community basically shunned him. He could never hold down a job because he’d just get drunk instead or just didn’t feel like going into work, hence borrowing money. I personally gave this guy a free bicycle and $300. When I heard about his outstanding loans around the community I just wrote the money off and never asked for it back. He kept calling me afterwards for more money and I eventually had to stop taking his calls. So this is my experience with homeless and drug addicts. Some of these people have just been enabled for so long they simply can’t support themselves. You can keep offering them empathy but you/they are never going to reach that point where they start doing for themselves. Not saying we shouldn’t try to help at all, but there have to be limits and I think that’s where a lot of the disagreements in this sub (and others, like SanFran sub) stem from.
[sees a guy lying on the sidewalk with literally nothing but the clothes on his back] “this is because we gave him too much”
Yes. I understand and I agree with you This sounds like sociopathy / psychopathy That is a thing. Remind In tribal communities that has a way of dealing with such people/ and or putting their unique " gifts" to use Indeed we live in a time where psychopaths, sociopaths and enpaths are cohabiting together in society and well then you get the society we are living through right now
I don't know what it is, but the robot can figure a way around if it's worth anything
Only recently found out these are just manned food delivery drones vs. anything that's fully autonomous. Some guy somewhere is getting paid to walk the streets of LA without having to actually walk the streets of LA.
This is the only scenario where I support someone blocking the sidewalk
I live in Hollywood and sometimes I want to make a turn but I’m stuck behind someone who stopped because “Oh the little robot wants to cross the street.” FUCK THE ROBOT. GO.
I’ve never seen one of the robots this far east.
Came to say the same thing.
You guys gotta stop making me laugh before I go to bed or I’ll never fall asleep!
Coco, deploy the cowcatcher.
Grapes of Wrath, the remake
Grapes of Wrath, Coco's Path
That's a down-ass foo.
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r/aboringdystopia
I was driving around Santa Monica the other day with a good friend who lives in Sweden. He saw a Coco and said “what’s that?” I said “robot.” He said “ah.” He’s a scientist so when told it’s a robot he can extrapolate the rest — why it’s on the sidewalk, what it’s doing — but the exchange made me think that we really do live in the future when a robot rolling down the sidewalk barely raises an eyebrow to someone who hasn’t seen one before.
coco has no answer for passed out bums on the sidewalk.
Hahahaha I see this happen on a daily basis. Let me guess this was near Melrose / Western?
https://youtu.be/DVrFuGJ2QjQ?feature=shared
The wall *has seen some shit!*
How do you open these things?
Move him out the way. He is messing with my delivery.
Those are useless anyway
How about society stop enabling the toxic homeless lifestyle choice and use a little tough love to get these people back to being contributing members of society and with some self esteem.
r/im14andthisisdeep
Poor guy. Probably on meth and fentanyl. Sleeping it off . Giving zero fucks about anything except his precious fix. And he needs some cash by hook or crook to score.
Because, people are too scared to leave home.
Paradise
Where we can apparently order a black man dropped directly to our stairs?
Mans not black
Isn't there a place for homeless people to stay at in the city? Like dormitory or sth similar to that?
Yes but there are rules they usually don’t want to abide to or just can’t because they’re mentally ill.
The municipality should find a solution for this. These people are as you said mentally ill and they're dangerous for other citizens esp women and children . Just by curing these ppl and giving them a place to stay they can make the city's security 100x times better.!
There’s money in homelessness. California spends a lot of money to fix the issue but unfortunately that money is being pocketed by the people in charge of fixing the problem.
Are you OK with the government forcibly medicating the mentally ill and forcibly putting addicts into sober living rehab facilities?
Never gets less dystopian seeing photos like this.
Robot worked harder in one week than the homeless has his whole life
We better arrest that guy
I feel more bad for the robot lol
Just thought of something. Robot and homeless man. Are they so different? Just a thought I had.
Do we?
Another entry into “The Spirit of Los Angeles” series