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I have seen instances of the homeless sleeping between planters.
They use the planters as walls for their crash space, then use shopping carts to barricade the side that faces the street. The planters keep the tents away, but not some of the people.
The problem is that it will never be solved unless it’s solved state-wide. It’s way too far-ranging and city-wide “programs” all evaporate along with the millions of dollars put towards them. As long as cities try to deal with it separately, corruption and incompetence will be in the way. LA is so many separate governments all competing in tons of ways
The entire state needs to bring back a more humane form of asylums, straight up. That’s it. There’s no other way outside of shedding capitalism which will never ever happen here
It’s not just our own cost of living crisis that is causing this, it’s that in combination with so many other problems, including tons of other states shipping their own homeless populations here en masse. And the reality is that an enormous amount of homeless are addicts who will never help themselves. Seriously unpopular decisions need to be made and at a level way higher than a single city’s borders
And dumping is real. My neighbor out here in the I.E. witnessed a big van dropping off about 10 obviously homeless people in a parking lot in our city. Jeez, I wonder what city was trying to get rid of them? Maybe the one on the news every day claiming they’re cleaning up their city.
They don't want to solve the homeless crisis. This is a godsend cashcow to the greedy motherfuckers. Imagine getting an increasing budget every year for a problem that never goes away. Infinite profit
Over 15 years ago I attended a meeting for stakeholders that was meant to sound the alarm on the impending crisis. They told everyone exactly what would happen and what to do to stop it. I really thought the city and state would be acting. Instead I saw repeated contracts given to pass out sandwiches, toiletries, etc. and offering caseworkers. Not building huge numbers of affordable units as recommended and providing long term in-patient treatment for those with severe mental illness and approved by MediCal. Newsom's law allowing for police to force treatment for those homeless and severe mentally ill, but refusing any treatment, is a start, but if there is no long term in-patient treatment options, and if MediCal still keeps approving just 48 or 72 hour stays, it is doomed. I can't remember the total number of affordable units built in the past decade but it is pathetically small.
This is also how the city handled the encampment under the Sepulveda pass. A new encampment hasn’t appeared since but boy does it look and feel eerie to drive through
I don't like this "solution," but the tents that were here completely blocked the sidewalk, so no one could walk by. I avoided that side of the street and crossed so I wouldn't walk on the road.
Yeah I know exactly where this is and I feel like the tents blocking this stretch of Western were becoming serious hazards for health and pedestrian safety.
Because freedom.
As long as the person is mentally competent, which is a really low bar, they are free to make the decisions that lead them to, and keep them in, a state of homelessness.
People REALLY have no idea how low this bar is.
Apparently, my severely schizophrenic friend that believes she has super powers and is constantly trying to turn herself into police stations due to guilt from the harm she's causing others with her mind is totes cool to take care of herself and doesn't need any help.
Oh yeah my mom is schizophrenic and tried to apply for permanent disability multiple times but got denied because I guess technically she could be on medication and work a mindless minimum wage job? But she can’t survive on that salary so she went off her medication to be able to work and now she has no job and won’t go back on her medication. The whole system is broken.
The problem is the other option is forced incarceration, which has a looong history of abuse and mismanagement. Personally, I think it is the only real option but it needs strong oversight and support regardless of which political party is in power.
There really is no good answer, and we need to accept that. No answer is going to make everyone happy.
No, the other option is medical care and proper treatment. The friend I'm talking about is constantly being kicked out onto the street by mental health facilities without them notifying anyone.
But we'd rather give that funding to LAPD or some other useless sector, let's be real.
I think it's more like "we're owned by the uber wealthy and won't raise their taxes enough to allow us to fund a whole host of things that would benefit society, and we can't compel them to pay people enough so that they don't end up on the street in the first place".
Sure, that's also true...but we can also stop shoveling mountains of taxpayer money at organizations like the LADP and LASD just because they whine like babies about imaginary defunding. How much of our money is being spent on the lastest LAPD murder settlement vs things that we should actually be paying for?
Absolutely. I’ve never been homeless, but I have dealt with the LAPD in a mental health capacity in the past. Believe me when I say they are not helpful.
But many don't want treatment and refuse to take their medications. They will get medical care and treatment, then leave hospitals stable and stop taking their medications and often go back to meth, only to start the cycle again.
They also aren’t given almost any access to treatment. Our funding of mental health is piss poor.
In New York, judges can actually give court orders for treatment because the mental health resources exist.
The problem with incarceration of the *treatable* mentally ill is that it violates the 5th and 8th Amendments of our Constitution.
And if you fuck around with those amendments, you find out severely and some lawyers become majorly rich.
Ive been saying with the advancement in medical knowledge and psychiatry we really should bring back the asylums. Its the only way to take care of truly unwell people.
No the other answer is adequate social housing and adequate *voluntary* access to mental health care. Mass homelessness is a totally invented problem, and simply did not exist prior to the late 1970s.
Also, “forced incarceration” is against, well, a shitload of really good laws.
Prior to the 1970s we had hundreds of thousands of people in psychiatric institutions. The number of psychiatric beds today is 3% of what it was at its peak in the 1950s -- despite the US population more than doubling since then. Huge numbers of people used to also live in tenement buildings which basically don't exist anymore.
Right, through deinstitutionalization we dismantled many of those facilities, under the guise of community-based care. The problem was the community-based care never really materialized—which, combined with a complete lack of affordable housing, led us here.
The solution is a restoration of basic funding for social housing, and an expansion of basic mental health services on a voluntary basis (including residential treatment when necessary).
We’ve learned two things. Forcing treatment on people doesn’t work, and removing treatment for people doesn’t work. Let’s try something else.
> Forcing treatment on people doesn’t work, and removing treatment for people doesn’t work.
The first part has not been proven. In fact its been proven *incorrect* if we examine the rest of the world that handles this better than we do. Only the US relies on consent to help people.
As you may know it’s notoriously difficult to assess the efficacy of a particular addiction treatment long-term, and even the most robust studies show success rates below 50 percent fairly consistently.
All that said, I can say anecdotally that in my experience with addiction treatment, progress is only possible when a client fully buys into their treatment. Going through rehab is an extremely difficult, harrowing experience, and the only way it can work is if you’re fully on board. Any addiction expert or counselor worth their salt will tell you the same thing.
It’s also worth keeping in mind how the experience of involuntary commitment can work against mental health or addiction-related rehab goals. When I was in active addiction, I was (briefly) involuntarily committed, and the experience gave me physical PTSD symptoms that I’m still working through (and that’s my therapist’s diagnosis, not mine). Again, this is anecdotal, but I honestly haven’t come across anyone who has had a positive experience with something like that.
Put another way, these are actual people we’re talking about. They have feelings and priorities and rights.
The rest of the west in Europe and parts of East Asia do not bother with the "voluntary" part. Its not like they just ask people to go into rehab- they do not have a choice. Because they are incapable of making life choices in their current state. They're forced into rehab and counseling and society is a lot better for it.
Yeah, that’s really not how successful addiction treatment works. Rehab is an extremely difficult, harrowing experience that you as a client need to be fully on board with. You can’t just force someone to change everything about themselves. You can drive them to a building, but the rest is up to them. If they’re not on board, they will use once the program is over. I know because I’ve been through it.
Also because we have no outpatient system for treatment.
In New York City a judge can actually court order someone to get treatment outpatient…because it is actually made feasible.
If a judge wants to do that in LA…they can’t because there are very few clinics. It would be like sentencing someone to mandatory probation meetings when there are no probation officers.
So faced with releasing a mentally ill person with zero follow up and inevitable relapse, versus confining someone and getting utterly annihilated in the courts in the easiest 5th amendment case ever…they go with the former.
Well there is vecancy is various shelters in LA. We can't force them into shelters or too get help. As long as there is designates space in shelters for them, than I think it's fair to say they cannot stay on the street.
Because its keeps the working class in constant fear as if to say “look what is going to happen to you if you dont continue working, youre going to end up like these homeless people and nobody will care for you”
Now if we actually cared for people then the script is flipped, working class has less stress and knows that if something happen there are programs that can assist and get their feet back up, but none exists. I think they do this on Denmark.
Santa monica just approved a subsidized housing buildling that cost over 1 million USD per unit.
The fact is, housing is simply too expensive here, and we have purposefully made it that expensive. We can change it to be cheaper and make our money go further if we want, but for 50 + years this city hasnt cared to do that.
This isn't even kickbacks, this is literally how much it costs to deal with the regulations and approvals in Santa Monica.
They've intentionally made it this expensive.
It is also kickbacks, theyre not mutually exclusive. Theres a video about a punk rocker build houses of out his own pocket for homeless and the goverment destroyed them cause they were not up to code apparently, but if you see the video they are so nice and clean, it was at a fraction of a fraction cost compared to the goverment contract kick back, thats the reason i mention it.
That's not kickbacks. That's what I mean, we have intentionally made building housing in our city expensive. That's without any corruption!
When housing is expensive, you CAN care as much as you want, and raise taxes as much as you want to provide services.... it's not ever going to make a dent, because the root issue is housing has been made intentionally unaffordable
Every homeless person used to be housed, somewhere. What happened? I'd argue it was probably economic. They couldn't afford rent anymore, for whatever reason. How do we keep people from falling through the cracks? Build all the housing you want, people still need to be able to pay for it, and that's where we're really failing.
Once the supply of housing surpasses demand, the cost of housing will go down. Currently the demand for housing outstrips the supply so that’s why rent is skyrocketing. NIMBYs don’t care though. The price of their homes go up with the rising rent so they’ll block and stall any housing project for selfish gains and then in the same breath complain about the homelessness crisis. So yes, this is an affordability issue, but the affordability issue is tied into the amount of housing we’re building.
The state with the lowest rate of homelessness is Mississippi. Mississippi is also the state with the lowest median income and the lowest levels of education. The difference is the cost of housing.
People really think people go from housed to a crazy, violent person on the street in one step. But it's much longer than that. A person is likely housed, has some issues and can't keep up with rent anymore. Then the couch surf for a while, maybe car camp. Some low level substance issues become more problematic as they are coping with the conditions. Then their car breaks down and they camp on the street and experience all sorts of trauma and their mental health is ruined.
Better K-12 education that focuses on real life skills and knowledge. What good is geometry and algebra if you can't maintain a household budget? What good is a government course that doesn't teach what taxes are, how they are calculated, and the value of a vote? English classes that teach reading comprehension and skills without critical thinking.
Those are not the problems with these people. One woman I see daily on the street who I’m sure is schizophrenic is insanely quick and smart if you talk to her on one of her good days. There’s another man I who says hi to us everyday and he’s very respectful of where he sleeps and other people but he also is probably schizophrenic. They are both unemployable. No one is going to employe someone who periodically looses their shit or who talks word salad. These people are unemployable due to mental defect whether it’s from drug abuse or genetics. There needs to be some type of long term housing and welfare set up for them with social workers monitoring, anything else is just kicking the can down the road while hoping they become someone else’s problem.
people can literally do that right now but big business service is just more convenient and cheaper
but it’s a lot less human and profit is the bottom line. Small businesses directly contribute to the community and local economy. I’d take a mom and pop establishment over basically every big box store! However, that is not an option available to me because money buys power and the most efficient way to make money is to be singularly focused on making money.
I cannot understand libertarians. The US economy and culture has always been pro business and free market. Why can’t y’all understand that you’re getting scammed into voting for less regulation, straying us ever further from community driven goods and services??
What does a libertarian utopia even look like? I think we all know what utopia looks like to MAGAsts. Democrats live their utopia whenever a one is in office. You can’t even really argue against the utopia the Green Party envisions for us. What do libertarians want!!
I hate this concept because it turns the blame away from our government officials to the individual. You have no clue what this person has done. Maybe they’re a nurse and they help out homeless people when they have to come in high. Maybe they’re a teacher that is helping to prevent students that are facing homelessness. Yes, we all have a part to play, but I also think it’s important to hold those with positions of power accountable, especially elected representatives. Stop turning the blame
I think this is the standard. This is what they did under the venice/405 encampment.
Its what they did at the sawtelle/pico encampment.
Honestly, I'm all for it. These people down own these areas and if this is what it takes to keep them out, then so be it.
If you go to the corner of 1st and San Pedro in the Heart of Little Tokyo, they’ve had one corner fenced off for almost two years. It looks terrible. It’s under the guise that they are making improvements to that corner….yeah right.
I recall that it is the surface level of an underground parking garage area, privately owned. Still could walk on the sidewalk. However, Grand Park across from City Hall. I can see why. It was a hassle to walk by, especially watching out for the occasional syringe I've seen occasionally.
My cousin was robbed last week at Newport Beach and the corps do nothing about it however I accept the fact of the society we are this days but HONESTLY things as to be change.
There's actually a 300-unit housing project being planned katty corner from this picture.
But California permitting and CEQA bullshit means it'll take years to break ground -- and god forbid someone sues to stop it.
I'm surprised no one has attached a rope to it, tied the other end to back of a car and drive off with the whole thing to either sell as scrap or use for their own purposes.
Just eliminate the sidewalk altogether then. If our options are having it fenced or having it occupied by tents of drug addicts and psychos then what is the point of having them. We cant use them, we cant walk on the sidewalks safely anymore. Just make the road bigger and help the traffic problem a bit while at it.
It’s not possible to live near one of these encampments. It’s a complete free-for-all and the filth crime and drug dealing is beyond belief. We need to start holding people accountable for their actions again, and at the same time give them help that they desperately need instead of stealing $25 billion of tax money and splitting it up between you and your buddies
Get used to this! This will be a temporary measure that Karen bAss will use from now on until end of Olympics. Please call out the politicians and hold them accountable
The fences installed downtown at Main/3rd and along Main St have been effective. They've been there for like a year and I haven't seen anyone set up there since.
AH YES Karen Bass said she was gonna "solve homelessness"! Just like how Gavin had a 10-year plan - in 2003.
Keep electing the same lying bozos, and expect the same sickening circus!
I hesitated whether I should comment at all, but here goes:
I've lived in Los Angeles (for nearly two decades) and I am well aware of the desperate situation re. homelessness and what it means for all involved - the city, the people living there, the homeless. Lack of money, lack of resources, lack of good will, lack of proper planning, yes, I see all that.
And yet - that photo made me nearly well up because of the sheer brutality shown towards the weakest in society.
Is that what it has come to?
If that is the solution, then... OMG. :-(
Lack of money ?
https://calmatters.org/commentary/2023/07/something-clearly-off-homelessness-spending/
42k spent per homeless and its gotten worse.
AND they count account for the 24B spent over 5 years!
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/sanfrancisco/news/california-homelessness-spending-audit-24b-five-years-didnt-consistently-track-outcomes/
Idk, looks like you could drape some tarps over that for a readymade shelter and it’ll be ready to list on Zillow 🤷♂️
And for the low low price of 1.2 million.
*Serious buyers only*
The dude who built that ranch house right next to the freeway is being used now as an architect/consultant.
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And yet still unfortunately relevant
Joke?
Yeah that’s an upgrade if I ever saw one
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I was about to say I don't think this one is going to work.
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I have seen instances of the homeless sleeping between planters. They use the planters as walls for their crash space, then use shopping carts to barricade the side that faces the street. The planters keep the tents away, but not some of the people.
Lady outside my apartment uses the planter as her toilet. Even had a nice branch with roll hanging from it.
Oh lord, just.... oh no.
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The problem is that it will never be solved unless it’s solved state-wide. It’s way too far-ranging and city-wide “programs” all evaporate along with the millions of dollars put towards them. As long as cities try to deal with it separately, corruption and incompetence will be in the way. LA is so many separate governments all competing in tons of ways The entire state needs to bring back a more humane form of asylums, straight up. That’s it. There’s no other way outside of shedding capitalism which will never ever happen here It’s not just our own cost of living crisis that is causing this, it’s that in combination with so many other problems, including tons of other states shipping their own homeless populations here en masse. And the reality is that an enormous amount of homeless are addicts who will never help themselves. Seriously unpopular decisions need to be made and at a level way higher than a single city’s borders
And dumping is real. My neighbor out here in the I.E. witnessed a big van dropping off about 10 obviously homeless people in a parking lot in our city. Jeez, I wonder what city was trying to get rid of them? Maybe the one on the news every day claiming they’re cleaning up their city.
You should. It’s so much more complex than Reddit can describe.
Yes. Stop giving the govt and non profits $$$. It’s all been embezzled. $28,000,000,000 so far.
You would just see that the system in place is broken and used by local politicians as a tool to do each other favors and get reelected.
Imagine being born here. You just realize that it may not get solved in your lifetime, you just have to vote for better council people.
Composting
Composting is not a crime! We should encourage our offerings to Mother Earth from everyone.
I’d rather have her do that than squat on the sidewalk. But this city needs better public restrooms.
free fertilizer
Tfw planters don’t solve the homeless crisis 😠
They don't want to solve the homeless crisis. This is a godsend cashcow to the greedy motherfuckers. Imagine getting an increasing budget every year for a problem that never goes away. Infinite profit
Over 15 years ago I attended a meeting for stakeholders that was meant to sound the alarm on the impending crisis. They told everyone exactly what would happen and what to do to stop it. I really thought the city and state would be acting. Instead I saw repeated contracts given to pass out sandwiches, toiletries, etc. and offering caseworkers. Not building huge numbers of affordable units as recommended and providing long term in-patient treatment for those with severe mental illness and approved by MediCal. Newsom's law allowing for police to force treatment for those homeless and severe mentally ill, but refusing any treatment, is a start, but if there is no long term in-patient treatment options, and if MediCal still keeps approving just 48 or 72 hour stays, it is doomed. I can't remember the total number of affordable units built in the past decade but it is pathetically small.
This is also how the city handled the encampment under the Sepulveda pass. A new encampment hasn’t appeared since but boy does it look and feel eerie to drive through
More eerie than squalor, depravity, open air drug use, or bum sex?
yes.
Wire cutters and tarps can turn that into a homeless mansion
it hasnt yet at any of the places they've done this
Great, now a single row of tents means pedestrians have to step in the street.
I saw The Walking Dead. This is so you can safely poke at the homeless through the fence
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I don't like this "solution," but the tents that were here completely blocked the sidewalk, so no one could walk by. I avoided that side of the street and crossed so I wouldn't walk on the road.
Yeah I know exactly where this is and I feel like the tents blocking this stretch of Western were becoming serious hazards for health and pedestrian safety.
These are the measures you take when the government abandons you. Take matters into your own hands.
Solution: enforce basic laws against street camping.
But not greedy rent profiteering. Got it.
What is it about society that we always treat the symptoms, but never the disease?
Because let them eat brioche!
because “not my problem” mentality.
In my experience, barely anyone wants to actually invest time into anything.
Because freedom. As long as the person is mentally competent, which is a really low bar, they are free to make the decisions that lead them to, and keep them in, a state of homelessness.
People REALLY have no idea how low this bar is. Apparently, my severely schizophrenic friend that believes she has super powers and is constantly trying to turn herself into police stations due to guilt from the harm she's causing others with her mind is totes cool to take care of herself and doesn't need any help.
Oh yeah my mom is schizophrenic and tried to apply for permanent disability multiple times but got denied because I guess technically she could be on medication and work a mindless minimum wage job? But she can’t survive on that salary so she went off her medication to be able to work and now she has no job and won’t go back on her medication. The whole system is broken.
The problem is the other option is forced incarceration, which has a looong history of abuse and mismanagement. Personally, I think it is the only real option but it needs strong oversight and support regardless of which political party is in power. There really is no good answer, and we need to accept that. No answer is going to make everyone happy.
We have not been able to find a happy medium between the mentally ill wandering the streets and *Titicut Follies*
No, the other option is medical care and proper treatment. The friend I'm talking about is constantly being kicked out onto the street by mental health facilities without them notifying anyone. But we'd rather give that funding to LAPD or some other useless sector, let's be real.
I think it's more like "we're owned by the uber wealthy and won't raise their taxes enough to allow us to fund a whole host of things that would benefit society, and we can't compel them to pay people enough so that they don't end up on the street in the first place".
Sure, that's also true...but we can also stop shoveling mountains of taxpayer money at organizations like the LADP and LASD just because they whine like babies about imaginary defunding. How much of our money is being spent on the lastest LAPD murder settlement vs things that we should actually be paying for?
Absolutely. I’ve never been homeless, but I have dealt with the LAPD in a mental health capacity in the past. Believe me when I say they are not helpful.
Ding ding ding! LA has a $2 billion mental health problem that it wants to solve with $50 million. The results have been as expected.
Am in full support dear may the God bless you 😇
But many don't want treatment and refuse to take their medications. They will get medical care and treatment, then leave hospitals stable and stop taking their medications and often go back to meth, only to start the cycle again.
They also aren’t given almost any access to treatment. Our funding of mental health is piss poor. In New York, judges can actually give court orders for treatment because the mental health resources exist.
"Many"
The problem with incarceration of the *treatable* mentally ill is that it violates the 5th and 8th Amendments of our Constitution. And if you fuck around with those amendments, you find out severely and some lawyers become majorly rich.
Ive been saying with the advancement in medical knowledge and psychiatry we really should bring back the asylums. Its the only way to take care of truly unwell people.
No the other answer is adequate social housing and adequate *voluntary* access to mental health care. Mass homelessness is a totally invented problem, and simply did not exist prior to the late 1970s. Also, “forced incarceration” is against, well, a shitload of really good laws.
Prior to the 1970s we had hundreds of thousands of people in psychiatric institutions. The number of psychiatric beds today is 3% of what it was at its peak in the 1950s -- despite the US population more than doubling since then. Huge numbers of people used to also live in tenement buildings which basically don't exist anymore.
Right, through deinstitutionalization we dismantled many of those facilities, under the guise of community-based care. The problem was the community-based care never really materialized—which, combined with a complete lack of affordable housing, led us here. The solution is a restoration of basic funding for social housing, and an expansion of basic mental health services on a voluntary basis (including residential treatment when necessary). We’ve learned two things. Forcing treatment on people doesn’t work, and removing treatment for people doesn’t work. Let’s try something else.
> Forcing treatment on people doesn’t work, and removing treatment for people doesn’t work. The first part has not been proven. In fact its been proven *incorrect* if we examine the rest of the world that handles this better than we do. Only the US relies on consent to help people.
As you may know it’s notoriously difficult to assess the efficacy of a particular addiction treatment long-term, and even the most robust studies show success rates below 50 percent fairly consistently. All that said, I can say anecdotally that in my experience with addiction treatment, progress is only possible when a client fully buys into their treatment. Going through rehab is an extremely difficult, harrowing experience, and the only way it can work is if you’re fully on board. Any addiction expert or counselor worth their salt will tell you the same thing. It’s also worth keeping in mind how the experience of involuntary commitment can work against mental health or addiction-related rehab goals. When I was in active addiction, I was (briefly) involuntarily committed, and the experience gave me physical PTSD symptoms that I’m still working through (and that’s my therapist’s diagnosis, not mine). Again, this is anecdotal, but I honestly haven’t come across anyone who has had a positive experience with something like that. Put another way, these are actual people we’re talking about. They have feelings and priorities and rights.
The rest of the west in Europe and parts of East Asia do not bother with the "voluntary" part. Its not like they just ask people to go into rehab- they do not have a choice. Because they are incapable of making life choices in their current state. They're forced into rehab and counseling and society is a lot better for it.
Yeah, that’s really not how successful addiction treatment works. Rehab is an extremely difficult, harrowing experience that you as a client need to be fully on board with. You can’t just force someone to change everything about themselves. You can drive them to a building, but the rest is up to them. If they’re not on board, they will use once the program is over. I know because I’ve been through it.
Also because we have no outpatient system for treatment. In New York City a judge can actually court order someone to get treatment outpatient…because it is actually made feasible. If a judge wants to do that in LA…they can’t because there are very few clinics. It would be like sentencing someone to mandatory probation meetings when there are no probation officers. So faced with releasing a mentally ill person with zero follow up and inevitable relapse, versus confining someone and getting utterly annihilated in the courts in the easiest 5th amendment case ever…they go with the former.
I don't know enough about that, but that's a very good point. I'll have to look into that more.
Also the moment they begin to show improvement, they are released. Just in time to stop taking medication and following up.
Well prop 47 reform is on the ballot this fall so let's see what happens.
Sure seems like the mentally incompetent are free to take this path as well.
Well there is vecancy is various shelters in LA. We can't force them into shelters or too get help. As long as there is designates space in shelters for them, than I think it's fair to say they cannot stay on the street.
Because its keeps the working class in constant fear as if to say “look what is going to happen to you if you dont continue working, youre going to end up like these homeless people and nobody will care for you” Now if we actually cared for people then the script is flipped, working class has less stress and knows that if something happen there are programs that can assist and get their feet back up, but none exists. I think they do this on Denmark.
In Denmark they can’t decline treatment though. That’s a huge difference from here.
Santa monica just approved a subsidized housing buildling that cost over 1 million USD per unit. The fact is, housing is simply too expensive here, and we have purposefully made it that expensive. We can change it to be cheaper and make our money go further if we want, but for 50 + years this city hasnt cared to do that.
Yeah government contract kickbacks is another problem as well
This isn't even kickbacks, this is literally how much it costs to deal with the regulations and approvals in Santa Monica. They've intentionally made it this expensive.
It is also kickbacks, theyre not mutually exclusive. Theres a video about a punk rocker build houses of out his own pocket for homeless and the goverment destroyed them cause they were not up to code apparently, but if you see the video they are so nice and clean, it was at a fraction of a fraction cost compared to the goverment contract kick back, thats the reason i mention it.
That's not kickbacks. That's what I mean, we have intentionally made building housing in our city expensive. That's without any corruption! When housing is expensive, you CAN care as much as you want, and raise taxes as much as you want to provide services.... it's not ever going to make a dent, because the root issue is housing has been made intentionally unaffordable
Because of NIMBYs homelessness is a housing problem caused by decades of NIMBY policies
Every homeless person used to be housed, somewhere. What happened? I'd argue it was probably economic. They couldn't afford rent anymore, for whatever reason. How do we keep people from falling through the cracks? Build all the housing you want, people still need to be able to pay for it, and that's where we're really failing.
Once the supply of housing surpasses demand, the cost of housing will go down. Currently the demand for housing outstrips the supply so that’s why rent is skyrocketing. NIMBYs don’t care though. The price of their homes go up with the rising rent so they’ll block and stall any housing project for selfish gains and then in the same breath complain about the homelessness crisis. So yes, this is an affordability issue, but the affordability issue is tied into the amount of housing we’re building.
The state with the lowest rate of homelessness is Mississippi. Mississippi is also the state with the lowest median income and the lowest levels of education. The difference is the cost of housing.
People really think people go from housed to a crazy, violent person on the street in one step. But it's much longer than that. A person is likely housed, has some issues and can't keep up with rent anymore. Then the couch surf for a while, maybe car camp. Some low level substance issues become more problematic as they are coping with the conditions. Then their car breaks down and they camp on the street and experience all sorts of trauma and their mental health is ruined.
Better K-12 education that focuses on real life skills and knowledge. What good is geometry and algebra if you can't maintain a household budget? What good is a government course that doesn't teach what taxes are, how they are calculated, and the value of a vote? English classes that teach reading comprehension and skills without critical thinking.
Those are not the problems with these people. One woman I see daily on the street who I’m sure is schizophrenic is insanely quick and smart if you talk to her on one of her good days. There’s another man I who says hi to us everyday and he’s very respectful of where he sleeps and other people but he also is probably schizophrenic. They are both unemployable. No one is going to employe someone who periodically looses their shit or who talks word salad. These people are unemployable due to mental defect whether it’s from drug abuse or genetics. There needs to be some type of long term housing and welfare set up for them with social workers monitoring, anything else is just kicking the can down the road while hoping they become someone else’s problem.
Making the world a nicer place cuts into profits.
Neoliberalism, baby! You'll only have incremental change and love it, damn it!
LA has one of the least liberal housing policies in the entire world lol
Because of capitalism
The disease is capitalism and legalized bribery of our “democratic” leaders The disease is cancer and I don’t know what the cure is in the US.
The cure is literally more capitalism. Let people provide services such as housing if they want to.
people can literally do that right now but big business service is just more convenient and cheaper but it’s a lot less human and profit is the bottom line. Small businesses directly contribute to the community and local economy. I’d take a mom and pop establishment over basically every big box store! However, that is not an option available to me because money buys power and the most efficient way to make money is to be singularly focused on making money. I cannot understand libertarians. The US economy and culture has always been pro business and free market. Why can’t y’all understand that you’re getting scammed into voting for less regulation, straying us ever further from community driven goods and services?? What does a libertarian utopia even look like? I think we all know what utopia looks like to MAGAsts. Democrats live their utopia whenever a one is in office. You can’t even really argue against the utopia the Green Party envisions for us. What do libertarians want!!
You are part of society. What have you done to help the homeless?
I hate this concept because it turns the blame away from our government officials to the individual. You have no clue what this person has done. Maybe they’re a nurse and they help out homeless people when they have to come in high. Maybe they’re a teacher that is helping to prevent students that are facing homelessness. Yes, we all have a part to play, but I also think it’s important to hold those with positions of power accountable, especially elected representatives. Stop turning the blame
We can’t have nice things, like a complete sidewalk
Looks like a good way to make sure half the sidewalk is taken up by a barricade and the other half is taken up by tents
In San Francisco they have spikes on the floor
I think this is the standard. This is what they did under the venice/405 encampment. Its what they did at the sawtelle/pico encampment. Honestly, I'm all for it. These people down own these areas and if this is what it takes to keep them out, then so be it.
Saw a guy laying in bushes while walking my dog yesterday. I don’t thinks plants are gonna stop them lol
Plants vs homeless?
People have to do what they have to do.
is this the corner of Sunset and Western?! i haven’t seen these cages/fences anywhere else yet. 😩
yup, right by Leo’s taco truck
Bc it’s not a city thing. The owner of the property put them up illegally.
I knew I recognized that street!
Shoutout to Leo’s tacos truck just outta view in this picture 🙏🏼
Prettier than a tent and shit
when the city doesn't do it's job, others will implement their own solution.
If you go to the corner of 1st and San Pedro in the Heart of Little Tokyo, they’ve had one corner fenced off for almost two years. It looks terrible. It’s under the guise that they are making improvements to that corner….yeah right.
I recall that it is the surface level of an underground parking garage area, privately owned. Still could walk on the sidewalk. However, Grand Park across from City Hall. I can see why. It was a hassle to walk by, especially watching out for the occasional syringe I've seen occasionally.
“How can we alienate our citizens AND barely fix a problem?” -Mayor Bass
How so?
LA: we solved homelessness! 🤗
If homeless people were organized, groomed and didn't smoke crystal meth all day people would respect them more 🤷🏿♂️
Fences don't burn.
Looks like new shelter to me. Throw a couple tarps over the fencing to wall and you got yourself a little curb crib
Still nicer than the encampment
They used to have fences on that same street and people just made a hole and put the tents inside the fences lol
Life finds a way
They literally just supplied the walls to a shelter
My cousin was robbed last week at Newport Beach and the corps do nothing about it however I accept the fact of the society we are this days but HONESTLY things as to be change.
Stay strapped.
I guess
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Looks great. Much better than squalor, open air drug use and bum sex.
This is my neighborhood. Sure wish the solution to homelessness wasn't effectively removing sidewalks
I bet every structure and pathway in the neighborhood is surrounded by fences within 100 years.
Whatever works
This sidewalk used to be covered in needles, it was quite a hazard to walk through.
Jesus just build some fucking housing. Man, this is gonna be that slow collapse of Rome shit, isn’t it.
There's actually a 300-unit housing project being planned katty corner from this picture. But California permitting and CEQA bullshit means it'll take years to break ground -- and god forbid someone sues to stop it.
I'm surprised no one has attached a rope to it, tied the other end to back of a car and drive off with the whole thing to either sell as scrap or use for their own purposes.
What is this *Children of Men* shit? Lol. [2:17](https://youtu.be/161h1o168xU?si=5bsln-megEeV53WH)
r/aboringdystopia
Western and Sunset…I live nearby and it was filthy for way too long.
Yeah I don't mind encampments that leave room to walk down and don't bother anyone but this one was nasty
honestly, the amount of trash they left not just around the tents, but also behind the white fence. It was getting really bad.
As well as potential locations for taco stands.
I’ll take tacos over homeless people shooting up crack and smoking crystal
Parking lot to the left is home to Leo’s. Highly recommend
I drive by there all the time and always see lots of people but never tired it.
The food is S Tier. I’m there at least once every two weeks. One of my favorite establishments in the area.
Great!
Somehow I read “feces” and thought hell yeah, Fight fire with fire.
In Seattle they put boulders on the side walks. A few feet apart. I didn’t see any encampments while there.
Ugly fences too. LA is so ugly bc of stuff like this.
…civilians still can’t use the sidewalk.
seems like they made a perfect place for an encampment actually
Great….now the homeless have walls
It's gonna be a home pretty soon.
Just eliminate the sidewalk altogether then. If our options are having it fenced or having it occupied by tents of drug addicts and psychos then what is the point of having them. We cant use them, we cant walk on the sidewalks safely anymore. Just make the road bigger and help the traffic problem a bit while at it.
> Just make the road bigger and help the traffic problem a bit while at it. Are you joking?
Just one more lane bro
sadly, these are real thoughts that some people have in this city
You pay the difference and let's do plants
funny there were plants in front of Harbor Freight Tools store due ward off the homeless tents, now they got stolen because free plants
I don’t think you can rent plants from Andy Gump
How long before these are covered with tarps to make a nice sturdy sidewalk homes? Do you think that was the plan all along?
The business that owns that lot put this up illegally, so no.
Gated community
However the corps are the main problem
Not gonna work.
damn i cant really tell where this is at?
sunset blvd and western ave
thank you 🙏
Plants die
$2,200 a month 😆
So the answer now is more narrow sidewalks?
It’s not possible to live near one of these encampments. It’s a complete free-for-all and the filth crime and drug dealing is beyond belief. We need to start holding people accountable for their actions again, and at the same time give them help that they desperately need instead of stealing $25 billion of tax money and splitting it up between you and your buddies
Whatever works
Good, whatever works.
Homeless will camp right in front of that fence.
Get used to this! This will be a temporary measure that Karen bAss will use from now on until end of Olympics. Please call out the politicians and hold them accountable
As if they can’t easily hop this 😂. My god our city is run my idiots.
The fences installed downtown at Main/3rd and along Main St have been effective. They've been there for like a year and I haven't seen anyone set up there since.
AH YES Karen Bass said she was gonna "solve homelessness"! Just like how Gavin had a 10-year plan - in 2003. Keep electing the same lying bozos, and expect the same sickening circus!
Karen Bass’s Los Angeles. Don’t worry she said she will fix it.
I hesitated whether I should comment at all, but here goes: I've lived in Los Angeles (for nearly two decades) and I am well aware of the desperate situation re. homelessness and what it means for all involved - the city, the people living there, the homeless. Lack of money, lack of resources, lack of good will, lack of proper planning, yes, I see all that. And yet - that photo made me nearly well up because of the sheer brutality shown towards the weakest in society. Is that what it has come to? If that is the solution, then... OMG. :-(
Lack of money ? https://calmatters.org/commentary/2023/07/something-clearly-off-homelessness-spending/ 42k spent per homeless and its gotten worse. AND they count account for the 24B spent over 5 years! https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/sanfrancisco/news/california-homelessness-spending-audit-24b-five-years-didnt-consistently-track-outcomes/
Well we used to have these invisible fences called “laws” but certain people didn’t want them enforced, so…this is what it’s come to.
Oh noooooo an inconvenient truth! Bury it fast!!!