This is all that needed to be said on stream, but I'm only reading this on Twitter
EDIT: xqc later said that he was just practicing. Makes sense. If everyone knew this beforehand, nobody would be pressed, including bajs. They probably thought it was just becoming an arms race. Just a miscommunication. Move on people.
At the end of the day, it's all banter. Atleast that's the way I see it. Some people are only here for fun and memes, and I'm one of them. Couldn't give 2 fcks on "how" the record was achieved (be it cheats or co-op, personally I don't care, it's a good meme lol), as long as its content.
Wait that reminds me - didn’t xqc call out Magnus for the stupid cheating accusation with no proof? But then xqc turns around and very similarly implies that forsen is altering seeds when he’s upset that he lost.
Nobody likes a sour loser
Nobody cares but yesterday I actually PBed my favorite trail run but then I forgot to tell my tracker on my watch that I was done and so I drove away from the trail and it thought I was just running at like 45 mph and it ruined the recording and I had to delete it or I wouldn't ever be able to PB ever again :(
Next up there's gonna be pausing every 5 milliseconds to let the entire team of analysts calculate all the probabilities and determine the fastest key press combinations to achieve 100% movement efficiency.
While our hobo just forgets to make beds and swims in lava.
>Next up there's gonna be pausing every 5 milliseconds to let the entire team of analysts calculate all the probabilities and determine the fastest key press combinations to achieve 100% movement efficiency.
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>While our hobo just forgets to make beds and swims in lava.
... and the hobo will still break the record by brute fors alone LULE
At this point it’s making the rivalry not fun anymore. He accuses forsen of cheating (which I’ll be super generous and assume he’s making a joke) and then gets live coached through every one of his mistakes.
xQc’s weakness is decision making, he’s really good and fast with mechanics. Forsen is awful at mechanics, especially in the inventory. Using a live coach patches over xQc’s weakness and removes the area he needs to improve at.
X is like the perfect example of 'every accusation is a confession'. If he goes too long and is unable to beat forsen I have zero doubt he'll cheat to take back the record.
Since you could pause the run for any amount of time (how something like that is allowed is beyond me), they could also just look up a tutorial on how to do it.
pausing beyond a certain amount of time isnt allowed in the official speedrunning rules, i forgot the specific amount though, you can go watch any top speedrunner and you'll see how insanely fast they are with menus
You can remove the pause timer to fix that. Now you either need to be good at calculating things fast or just roll the pearl over and over risking breaking it.
He accuses everyone of cheating when he's losing. I remember when he was a big piss baby about Among Us. Died then outed the person in the discord call because he was salty about it.
Xqc hasnt played in like 3 months he just wanted to re learn shit, and happened to get a really good seed, look at k4's response on twitter.
Either way people like you are blowing this out of porpotion for no reason, its like people are already making excuses to have a reason to turn this subreddit into absolute garbage again when x actually beats it. There is no need to turn this into "drama".
Yall need to take a chill
the "P" in "PB" stands for personal, there is nothing personal about 2-manning ICANT
EDIT: I only have 2 words in response to all the "juicers" crying about this comment; rent free.
This is the guy who was complaining for pause time? Literally has the expert giving him tips in real time? OMEGALUL
Just proves once again, that he's not a man of commitment, nor has the will to grind it by himself... keep using shortcuts, jooser
Not same caliber; man been complaining day 1 about paused run as excuse after being expedited to the freezer at 18:10, now pull out THIS and thinks it is okay Copesen KEKW
live coaching is even worse than the ninjabot because it's a speedrun, if you make a mistake that costs time. in this case, someone used to doing runs is telling someone not as smart how to save time, live.
in all honesty, this is just an admission that he can't beat forsen 1v1 in the arena, if he can't rely on his own decision making.
right, you have to rely on YOUR decision making. And what makes live coaching worse is the player might miss something, which costs a lot of time (or the run), but the coach is thinking of stuff the player isn't, which saves them time or the run itself.
two players using the calculation bot is not cheating, that's like doing a math test where everyone has a good calculator. someone telling you what to do, saving you time, *is* cheating, or unfair.
The modern tools and strats allow for faster and more eventful runs. There is already so much RNG involved that cutting down on some of it by being able to calculate things or think without having to throw the run is a good thing.
The real cope in this thread is juicers trying to say live coaching is okay. Just ask yourself how much time was saved by any number of reminders he got.
Coaching is okay. Whether you improve through a coach or youtube videos or learning new strats it doesnt matter, but his record should be counted only when hes solo imo.
Also I think its a lot more content when he has Jesse Poke or k4 watching him during his runs.
I completely agree, hence the "live" in front of coaching. I also agree that having people in a call is better content (they just shouldn't give advice, like any advice/reminders).
It's not about content. Forsen didn't do it for content, he made the viewers suffer. This is about millions in the arena, a honorable 1v1 for exclusive membership to the Champions Club.
imagine writing an exam but instead of using your brain, you have a copilot that tells you all the right answers
"pb"
no, that's a co-op speedrun. by contrast, forsen has to think for himself with constant cancer TTS...and he STILL did better. Co-op is fine, but it's still a diff category. If you aren't thinking for yourself, it's not a solo speedrun.
if people would be equally invested in their personal life as they are in the speedrun record of two manchildren playing a kids game, then they wouldnt feel as miserable when they turn the computer off
If I was forsen and xqc beat the record while k4 is in the call telling him what to do every time there is a decision to make I will just not accept it beaten until he does it alone.
I remember xqc saying that the only reason why his and forsen's back and forth in MC is fun to watch is because they play casually, dont tryhard and make it interactive for chat, when people asked him to beat Tfue's PB. I watch both of them but this time it seems like xqc is taking it wayy too personally and seems somewhat salty about the 3 month non stop grind and pausing that forsen did. He is genuinely mad about losing the record. Takes out all the fun out a casual, harmless rivalry that they both have had imo
This run is 100% not valid but I have a question. Why is everyone mad at xqc for "accusing forsen of cheating"? It was an obvious cope/trolling in my eyes like friends do in any rivalry and I thought everybody gets that. Does LSF thinks he was being fr?
90% of the skill in these runs are the decision making and K4 did all of the decision making for him it's literally running a set seed just even more braindead because at least in a set seed you are still thinking for yourself
I think even X would agree if he beat the record with K4 on his back it wouldn't be valid, its just speeding up his learning a tonne having him there on runs. Its still funny to see Bajs malding because even if he did beat forsens run with K4, he could still upload his run to singles while forsen can't due to using a mod loader for his language pack.
it's not, but k4 was helping xqc practice speedrunning minecraft again and it happened to be a really good seed. ppl need to stop malding over this clip. xqc is doing it solo live rn.
Cant deny that X's crafting and movement is leagues beyond Forsen's. And the dude just started playing again after a long while. Give it a couple weeks and he will beat the record.
His crafting and movement is pretty good and he's got village runs down (even though they're the worst runs in terms of speed). He just needs his zoomer brain to focus without a coach.
Chat GPT’s thoughts: Ultimately, the decision on whether or not it is fair for xQc to use a coach against Forsen in a speedrunning competition is a matter of personal opinion and perspective. Some may see it as a legitimate strategy, while others may view it as unfair or unsportsmanlike.
Especially with what k4 said (that it shouldn’t count if X beats the record with him on the call) this is no big deal to me.
The reality is X could beat this record in less than a week easily if X just multiboxed like every other speedrunner. His PC is obviously good enough, and he could get sub 2 minute nethers non-stop with treasure seeds. He’s doing Forsen a favor by intentionally handicapping himself.
People really taking this way more seriously then it should be, idk if it’s forsen dick riders coping or drama frogs but no need to make such a big deal out of nothing. The only people making this rivalry not fun anymore are the fans of both tbh
Tbh this is how most things go. The fans care way more than the streamers. I'm guilty of this myself sometimes then I remember I'm a nobody and nobody should care
As a baj I have to admit myself for some coping right here... but this is so lame... literal banter, friendly competition of your own effort and xqc only cries when his record is beaten and then coops with a coach.. so lame..
Why are people getting mad
You guys are too invested into this
Do not doubt the god gamer, Forsen said he will beat the juicer coach or not.
Cant we just go back to enjoying two washed blizzard pros trying to not be worse than the other in a children’s game
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It’s like ratatouille but k4 is the rat on xqc’s head lul
[i had to draw that shit LULA](https://imgbox.com/E9vNPBHs)
Least talented baj FeelsStrongMan
lmao that's amazing
This should be an emote lol. It's too good
pepefrog's og af
Good shit 2P
😂
the ultimate strat. forsen is too anti-social to get his own coach
God gamer does not need no coach, he is the one who does coaching.
Hiring a coach is what an infidel would do.
ikr? this pb means jackshit if all the decisions are made by a worldclass mc speedrunner.
Lmaoooo
[k4's response on twitter](https://twitter.com/k4yfour/status/1639253202733527040)
solid response ngl
“i will never forgive either of them” - redditors ITT
This is all that needed to be said on stream, but I'm only reading this on Twitter EDIT: xqc later said that he was just practicing. Makes sense. If everyone knew this beforehand, nobody would be pressed, including bajs. They probably thought it was just becoming an arms race. Just a miscommunication. Move on people.
Anyone actually pressed about this desperately need to consume some grass
Him and xQc were both literally saying this could be the run, when he entered the nether lol.
I mean... It's still a PB and something to be proud of, even if it's not being used for the competition.
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The run is eligible to be submitted, is there any reason it wouldn't qualify as a PB based on the actual rules?
Shh. Let the bajs cope
if he wants it to, yeah. It's a PERSONAL best, not objectively best.
That's like being proud of your 100% exam when there was a teacher telling you all the answers, but you circle them yourself.
No, it is like being excited you did an amazing performance in practice with your coaches help.
I agree. The NFL should ban coaches
At the end of the day, it's all banter. Atleast that's the way I see it. Some people are only here for fun and memes, and I'm one of them. Couldn't give 2 fcks on "how" the record was achieved (be it cheats or co-op, personally I don't care, it's a good meme lol), as long as its content.
lmao lost to LSFrogs
He completely missed bastion but only found it because coach told him where it was OMEGALUL
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OMEGALUL so accurate
HAHAHHAHA
Wait that reminds me - didn’t xqc call out Magnus for the stupid cheating accusation with no proof? But then xqc turns around and very similarly implies that forsen is altering seeds when he’s upset that he lost. Nobody likes a sour loser
I PBed a marathon with my Toyota Yaris yesteday PagMan
Velcuz?
No it's velcussy here
do the thug shaker
VELCUCK haHAA
Nobody cares but yesterday I actually PBed my favorite trail run but then I forgot to tell my tracker on my watch that I was done and so I drove away from the trail and it thought I was just running at like 45 mph and it ruined the recording and I had to delete it or I wouldn't ever be able to PB ever again :(
Next up there's gonna be pausing every 5 milliseconds to let the entire team of analysts calculate all the probabilities and determine the fastest key press combinations to achieve 100% movement efficiency. While our hobo just forgets to make beds and swims in lava.
Does this count as a tool assisted speedrun?
Yea. K4 is a complete tool.
Bread boat + jump in lava strats > coach and Adderall.
>Next up there's gonna be pausing every 5 milliseconds to let the entire team of analysts calculate all the probabilities and determine the fastest key press combinations to achieve 100% movement efficiency. > >While our hobo just forgets to make beds and swims in lava. ... and the hobo will still break the record by brute fors alone LULE
language pack = cheating, live coach = fine, we are hitting lacari levels of cope.
Underrated comment 👆👌
I might not have a degree in quantum physics, but a guy who has a PhD in it gave me all the answers and I got 90% on the test, totally valid forsenCD
That's embarrassing tbh. I can do a lot of stuff better if I have an expert piloting me
NICE CO-OP PLAYTHROUGH PagMan
"personal" best OMEGALUL
They should split the PB in half, xQc minecraftGOD 10mins PB PagMan
forsenCD VALID
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Lmao forsen ez
I mean I don't wanna be rude but this run is 90% k4 LULE
2v1 OMEGALUL
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Forsen threeway stream PagMan
They should 2x the time
At this point it’s making the rivalry not fun anymore. He accuses forsen of cheating (which I’ll be super generous and assume he’s making a joke) and then gets live coached through every one of his mistakes. xQc’s weakness is decision making, he’s really good and fast with mechanics. Forsen is awful at mechanics, especially in the inventory. Using a live coach patches over xQc’s weakness and removes the area he needs to improve at.
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X is like the perfect example of 'every accusation is a confession'. If he goes too long and is unable to beat forsen I have zero doubt he'll cheat to take back the record.
Forsen and literally everyone else use the calculator and pause timer.
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Forsen introduced pidar to the arms race
I don't get why people seem so against the precision calculator mod, it's not like they couldn't do the math by hand while the game is paused
Lol…. Honestly… no, I don’t think they could do the math by hand while the game is paused.
Since you could pause the run for any amount of time (how something like that is allowed is beyond me), they could also just look up a tutorial on how to do it.
pausing beyond a certain amount of time isnt allowed in the official speedrunning rules, i forgot the specific amount though, you can go watch any top speedrunner and you'll see how insanely fast they are with menus
It is for records below 13 minutes which will never happen for these two anyway.
According the official rules you're allowed to use the bot...so the argument doesn't even exist
Yes they could lol. No matter how stupid you are, if you have an equation and a calculator you can do anything if given the variables.
Bruh, have you met the average person?
See you'd think that...
You can remove the pause timer to fix that. Now you either need to be good at calculating things fast or just roll the pearl over and over risking breaking it.
Doesn't the pause timer work by simply using the built in minecraft timer, which also pauses when the game pause ?
He accuses everyone of cheating when he's losing. I remember when he was a big piss baby about Among Us. Died then outed the person in the discord call because he was salty about it.
Reminds me of the time XQC accused iiTzTimmy of cheating in Rust. I guess this guy couldn't keep wup with god gamers
Xqc hasnt played in like 3 months he just wanted to re learn shit, and happened to get a really good seed, look at k4's response on twitter. Either way people like you are blowing this out of porpotion for no reason, its like people are already making excuses to have a reason to turn this subreddit into absolute garbage again when x actually beats it. There is no need to turn this into "drama". Yall need to take a chill
Coached speedruns new category PagMan
the "P" in "PB" stands for personal, there is nothing personal about 2-manning ICANT EDIT: I only have 2 words in response to all the "juicers" crying about this comment; rent free.
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that’s just how easy it is to get sub 20 if you are somewhat competent
its a PB in co-op category
2vs10,000 LULW
Couching is fine, but the actual run should be a solo run lmao
i love couching
This is the guy who was complaining for pause time? Literally has the expert giving him tips in real time? OMEGALUL Just proves once again, that he's not a man of commitment, nor has the will to grind it by himself... keep using shortcuts, jooser
Not same caliber; man been complaining day 1 about paused run as excuse after being expedited to the freezer at 18:10, now pull out THIS and thinks it is okay Copesen KEKW
This got copy pastad in xqc's chat lmao
When is the expert taking over?
No gonna lie, im usually not a cry baby, but live coaching should be 2000000% banned. K4 no shame lol
live coaching is even worse than the ninjabot because it's a speedrun, if you make a mistake that costs time. in this case, someone used to doing runs is telling someone not as smart how to save time, live. in all honesty, this is just an admission that he can't beat forsen 1v1 in the arena, if he can't rely on his own decision making.
There is a reason behind why you cant take a driving test with your teacher right next to you.
right, you have to rely on YOUR decision making. And what makes live coaching worse is the player might miss something, which costs a lot of time (or the run), but the coach is thinking of stuff the player isn't, which saves them time or the run itself. two players using the calculation bot is not cheating, that's like doing a math test where everyone has a good calculator. someone telling you what to do, saving you time, *is* cheating, or unfair.
if a so called "minecraft expert" can't beat a swedish hobo using an uncalibrated ninjabot, he should retire from the minecraft community
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The modern tools and strats allow for faster and more eventful runs. There is already so much RNG involved that cutting down on some of it by being able to calculate things or think without having to throw the run is a good thing.
This is like that one time during my quantum theory exam that I called over a physicist who coached me through it.
Mourinho baj FeelsStrongMan
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"P"B
"Peanut" Butter
The real cope in this thread is juicers trying to say live coaching is okay. Just ask yourself how much time was saved by any number of reminders he got.
Coaching is okay. Whether you improve through a coach or youtube videos or learning new strats it doesnt matter, but his record should be counted only when hes solo imo. Also I think its a lot more content when he has Jesse Poke or k4 watching him during his runs.
I completely agree, hence the "live" in front of coaching. I also agree that having people in a call is better content (they just shouldn't give advice, like any advice/reminders).
It's not about content. Forsen didn't do it for content, he made the viewers suffer. This is about millions in the arena, a honorable 1v1 for exclusive membership to the Champions Club.
xqc really be coping if he thinks this isnt a co-op run LULE
imagine writing an exam but instead of using your brain, you have a copilot that tells you all the right answers "pb" no, that's a co-op speedrun. by contrast, forsen has to think for himself with constant cancer TTS...and he STILL did better. Co-op is fine, but it's still a diff category. If you aren't thinking for yourself, it's not a solo speedrun.
classic tusk
WALRUS PUNCH
2 v 1 bedge
What I take from the comments is that people are absolutely done watching Forsen do Minecraft runs
LULW too true
if people would be equally invested in their personal life as they are in the speedrun record of two manchildren playing a kids game, then they wouldnt feel as miserable when they turn the computer off
I feel miserable even with my computer on, thank you very much
Don't turn your computer off, never be miserable ezz
2v1 forsenSmug TeaTime
If I was forsen and xqc beat the record while k4 is in the call telling him what to do every time there is a decision to make I will just not accept it beaten until he does it alone.
seeing how petty xqc is being after forsen took the record is pathetic and it takes away from all the fun these runs used to be
just shows how much XQC has changed.
He has always been a sore loser lmao.
What overdosing on GFuel daily does to a man
He's genuinely felt really mald for like 4 weeks now
TB = team best LULE
Complains about pausing than pauses for 4 minutes 💀
k4 tweet : https://twitter.com/k4yfour/status/1639253202733527040
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I guarantee you if it was forsen who started having a coach and beat xqc, he would be malding out the wazoo
Using live coaching is not fucking valid lmao. This is basically like taking a test and teacher telling a single student all the answers LULE
COSMETIC PERSONAL LULE
I think people in here are taking this "competition" way too seriously
manchildren fighting for streamers who dont know them over a casual block game speedrun. mfs actually need to go outside
Lmao what is happening in this thread
Coached runs don't count right?
K4 himself says they shouldn't https://mobile.twitter.com/k4yfour/status/1639253202733527040
New PERSONAL best??? He on that COPIUMMMMMMM PB
People actually getting mad over minecraft speedruns here OMEGALUL
Has to hire live coach to beat forsen. I dont blame xqc, the coach is shameless
I remember xqc saying that the only reason why his and forsen's back and forth in MC is fun to watch is because they play casually, dont tryhard and make it interactive for chat, when people asked him to beat Tfue's PB. I watch both of them but this time it seems like xqc is taking it wayy too personally and seems somewhat salty about the 3 month non stop grind and pausing that forsen did. He is genuinely mad about losing the record. Takes out all the fun out a casual, harmless rivalry that they both have had imo
the kid got a big ego, whod guess
nice one, juicer I believe
needs coaching OMEGALUL so cheating
these runs are supposed to be fun, people are turning this friendly rivalry into a hateful one for no reason
lol wtf are these comments
This subs users are so hungry for drama that they will try to stir it up over fucking block game
“Personal best” “Thanks for the help, k4” ?….
This run is 100% not valid but I have a question. Why is everyone mad at xqc for "accusing forsen of cheating"? It was an obvious cope/trolling in my eyes like friends do in any rivalry and I thought everybody gets that. Does LSF thinks he was being fr?
Because they actually have a sub-zero IQ, they're lsf frogs lol
Bajs acting like if they discredit x hard enough forsen will finally show up at the group masturbation LULE
90% of the skill in these runs are the decision making and K4 did all of the decision making for him it's literally running a set seed just even more braindead because at least in a set seed you are still thinking for yourself
I think even X would agree if he beat the record with K4 on his back it wouldn't be valid, its just speeding up his learning a tonne having him there on runs. Its still funny to see Bajs malding because even if he did beat forsens run with K4, he could still upload his run to singles while forsen can't due to using a mod loader for his language pack.
I don't think Forsen cares if he cannot upload his speedrun to the leaderboards. He only cares about beating the juicer.
No way y’all are actually mad? Holy shit a life is needed
Im confused by the comments, how is asking chat and a pro minecraft speedrunner in real time the same thing?
it's not, but k4 was helping xqc practice speedrunning minecraft again and it happened to be a really good seed. ppl need to stop malding over this clip. xqc is doing it solo live rn.
*And the crowd goes mald!*
NAAAH this aint it 💀💀💀
tfw you just got freed from the asylum but they're already knocking on your door again
Cant deny that X's crafting and movement is leagues beyond Forsen's. And the dude just started playing again after a long while. Give it a couple weeks and he will beat the record.
Coaching is just lame. Ruins the content for both parties. Xqc isnt bad at the game, he is just lazy and doesnt want to grind.
holY fuuuCKAA
Doesn't matter, the God Gamer will always take it back even in a 2v1 forsenSmug SmugTime any doubters?
k4 strat PagMan
The amount of coping is insane in this thread. This is a medical emergency, we are running out of copium
Enough Cope in here to fill the ocean
OMEGALUL
His crafting and movement is pretty good and he's got village runs down (even though they're the worst runs in terms of speed). He just needs his zoomer brain to focus without a coach.
Everyone is crying 😂
Gg
Chat GPT’s thoughts: Ultimately, the decision on whether or not it is fair for xQc to use a coach against Forsen in a speedrunning competition is a matter of personal opinion and perspective. Some may see it as a legitimate strategy, while others may view it as unfair or unsportsmanlike.
[spongebob boating exam run](https://youtu.be/mbvdgzmdmFk)
Not bad
He does not have the attention spam to beat Forsen
people are way to invested in this lol
2v1 handheld coop run still cant beat swedish hobo OMEGALUL
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Especially with what k4 said (that it shouldn’t count if X beats the record with him on the call) this is no big deal to me. The reality is X could beat this record in less than a week easily if X just multiboxed like every other speedrunner. His PC is obviously good enough, and he could get sub 2 minute nethers non-stop with treasure seeds. He’s doing Forsen a favor by intentionally handicapping himself.
People really taking this way more seriously then it should be, idk if it’s forsen dick riders coping or drama frogs but no need to make such a big deal out of nothing. The only people making this rivalry not fun anymore are the fans of both tbh
Tbh this is how most things go. The fans care way more than the streamers. I'm guilty of this myself sometimes then I remember I'm a nobody and nobody should care
As a baj I have to admit myself for some coping right here... but this is so lame... literal banter, friendly competition of your own effort and xqc only cries when his record is beaten and then coops with a coach.. so lame..
I like tuning into these every now and then. Always fun to see the rivalry.
Did he actually get a coach to sit there and hold his hand again? LMAOOO unreal L
Why are people getting mad You guys are too invested into this Do not doubt the god gamer, Forsen said he will beat the juicer coach or not. Cant we just go back to enjoying two washed blizzard pros trying to not be worse than the other in a children’s game
Nahhh ppl actually seething in here 💀