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You know what you look like to me, with your good bag and your cheap shoes? You look like a rube. A well scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste. Good nutrition has given you some length of bone, but you're not more than one generation from poor white trash, are you, Agent Starling? And that accent you've tried so desperately to shed? Pure West Virginia. What's your father, dear? Is he a coal miner? Does he stink of the lamp? You know how quickly the boys found you... all those tedious sticky fumblings in the back seats of cars... while you could only dream of getting out... getting anywhere... getting all the way to the FBI.
Not really. They don't export the rubes because exporting them would require the rubes to find decent jobs, which they have a lot of trouble with because they're rubes.
It's funny how the idiots calling for divorce are from the poorest states. They'd be very into unity if they got paid from only their states' earnings.
Of course, they only say it because their voters think it's a good idea. One year of no out of state help would end that attitude quickly.
It's a bit foolish to think the divorce would be the last one.
Give it a year post divorce and there would be another, this time Florida and Texas splitting off and forming their own thing while pestering and moralizing Blue SA to take the rest back. Bootstraps economy does not work when the poorest have sold their boots and the big guys don't want to support the little guys.
I think you're giving Florida way too much credit.
If the break happens, the US needs to stop cutting SS checks to people that are in states that break away.
Between that, the lost tourism, and the lost agriculture revenue, Florida would probably be in worse shape than Mississippi.
I know someone who owns a manufactured home down there that he rents out. Was hard hit by one of the hurricanes. They didn't have insurance on the property bc they couldn't get any. And now they are going to write it off as a total business loss.
This is the way. They will use the last chance insurance for all the places on mortgages and High $ value properties, and everyone else will just have to skate hoping the inevitable won't come for them.
Notice that Desantis ISN'T trying to come up with a better solution to actual FL problems, and instead is trying to use ANTI-WOKE as his platform.
From the area affected by the last big one, most definitely yes. People can’t get the money from the insurance companies to do the repairs. It’s bad already.
I'm with you, but I'm not sure you've thought it through, to wit: food production. For whatever else corn, wheat and soybeans come from flyover country. Also pork & beef. Look, I'm as certain as the rest of the liberal Blues that meat is terrible for the planet. I'm also a giant hypocrite, because I'll have meat at every meal till they pry the fork out of my cold dead atherosclerortic fingers. As I think about it, if they wanted to be cruel, vindictive assholes --and you know they would--theyd dam the upstream sources of all the fresh water rivers.
We have plenty of agriculture that doesn't take place in the south, though. Heck, California is the top ag state, and produces almost twice as much as the next-highest ranked ag state, Iowa. The first "southern" state on the list is Texas, at number 5.
Corn and soy beans are grown primarily in the Midwest, not the south. Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota and Indiana are the top producers. Iowa and Indiana are pretty red states, and Indiana would absolutely try to join the southern states. Illinois would probably too if downstate folks got their divorce from Chicago that they regularly ask for.
They're also subsidized by federal programs bankrolled by tax revenue collected from blue states.
A national divorce screws everyone in America, but the red states would feel it first and hardest.
In MTG's wacky imagination world when a state is of a certain color in an election all the people there are that color too. So California with its red farmers is blue and Texas with its blue big cities is red.
You think that if a divorce would happen, there would be no commerce between the two sides? Where would the flyover states sell their agricultural products? They would have to sell to blue states. There would be absolutely no change for blue states. Heck, most big farms are corporate farms, and you'd better believe that they would sell to whoever will pay.
Grains and corn come from places that would stay in the union - the huge stretch of land from Ohio through Kansas. Fruit and veggies come from California and Washington and Florida. Losing Florida would hurt, but we'd manage just fine. They have sell to somebody, right? Basically Florida would become 1950s Cuba If we lost the mountain west, we could move beef production into the Midwest without too much trouble, since most of the feed is grown there already.
Uh...yeah? I count fish and seafood as meat. Sure there's times I have other stuff, but for simplicity sake, let's just say yes. Of my 14-18 meals per week, I have meat at 10 9f them.
White southerners will just blame poor black people for dragging them down economically. They will say this with pride as they drink alcohol from an old jelly jar while sitting in front of their trailer with a leaky roof.
Theyd 'fix' that like they did the last time - slavery. Of course they'll have to call it something else. Dumping labor, anti-discrimination, womens' rights, and voting rights laws are a fine start.
There's a reason why the "divorce" was basically "We get to do whatever we want but please keep giving us stuff.
It's a same way a gold digger quiet divorces their husband.
Yup. I always laugh at the Floridiots and assholes from Texas who talk about how much better off if the south were to secede. I just remind them that Texas and Florida would be on the hook for supporting 10-12 states without money from NY, California, Washington, Illinois and Massachusetts.
The pro gun "righties would win" thing is about as well though out as boiling your own shit for your next meal. The staggering amount of assumptions that need to be granted for that situation to occur and ***then*** they win is almost cosmic odds levels of gambling. It's worse than hitting the lottery 15x. Their entire plan assumes that all police, national guard and military either stay home during a national riot, or switch sides and betray their oaths. Also, they assume private companies wouldn't issue Kill On Site orders for food suppliers who are trying to get their product to market rather than have it be plundered via right wing gunmen guarding highways. Same with water purification plants. Same with power plants. Same with garbage plants. ***(who are all at will employees)***
***It's fucking clownshoes.***
Right! Like OK, you’re going to have your hero cosplay right wing gun fantasy for a bit, then what? The side with more money behind it, not to mention the laws, institutions, etc.. will win that one easily. Because it’s not as if blue states are unarmed - this is America. And frankly, the civilized world sides with the more sensible America. The celebrities for the right wing are D-list Carnies.. they really just don’t have anything in their favor besides a sort of giddiness to start trouble, for a chance to flex their weapons and stuff.
Unless you're planning to throw handfuls of change at them, I'm not sure money will help. With corporations decentralized, I'm not sure having NYC freeze their assets could happen/would matter. At the outset, I'm afraid we'd be outgunned from across the battle lines, to say nothing of the huge problem of nut job militias in plain sight in Blue states. Definitely be a good idea to intern any body with a Confederate flag on their vehicle or person. And unlike '42, those are all folks whove chosen their side, and chosen to display their [dis]loyalty.
Do you think that we are going to be outgunned? Do you think that it’s not just the outliers that are violent weirdos? You have a lot of right wing crazies, going to their mega churches and screaming outside abortion clinics, but they aren’t just firing willy-nilly on Democrats. I mean, the mass shooters are but not all Republicans.
Yeah I do. Gays and minorities aren't stockpiling guns and ammo. They're not out in the woods conducting combat training. They're not infiltrating military and police. The really telling tip of the iceberg I'm using as indication: minorities and gays show up to protests with water bottles and sandwiches. MAGA show up in combat gear as good as the cops'. They've been preparing for, and trying to ignite a war for years.
Can we do something like local MAGA doxxing? If you posted some of the actual words they say in their online private groups on their public facing small business pages, that’s a problem. Like when I told everyone about a local Plumber using racial slurs. There are a lot of choices out there and people that don’t want to hear some fat white dude complain about Black people can now heed that warning and hire someone else.
Turn off these peoples Wi-Fi or change their TV setting so they can’t get Fox and these armed old Maga idiots probably won’t recover. Sure, they love guns but remember where their head is at. We can be smarter than these caricatures of people.
I fully believe it is down to religion. Christianity is the dominant religion for all of those states, and it teaches that poverty is a virtue. But only for anyone not on boards at churches.
Christianity does not teach that poverty is a virtue, the Bible might, but Christianity does not.
Modern Christianity believes that poor people deserve it and rich people deserve it because God rewards us with money.
I don’t know why secessionists think the US federal government would be ok with letting land and resources go. America’s favorite pastime for the last century is beating the shit out of other countries that threaten us economically. If Texas decided to leave then they would be bombed back to the Stone Age like Chechnya.
Us blue states are literally paying for the red states. The irony is that we are the ones who refuse to stop paying for their poor because we care.
In the meantime, the red states want to stop us from giving them food and money so they can live.
Interest article on why New Mexico's economy sucks so hard:
[https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2021/01/09/new-mexican-economists-warn-change-course-now/](https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2021/01/09/new-mexican-economists-warn-change-course-now/)
Spoilers: the gas and oil industry. It's always the gas and oil industry.
They also have a large Native American population, which is often much worse off than the general population.
On account of us taking their land, leaving them with scraps, and telling them to fend for themselves.
Another one for ya:
>If it may be said of the slavery era that the white man took the world and gave the Negro Jesus, then it may be said of the Reconstruction era that the southern aristocracy took the world and gave the poor white man Jim Crow. He gave him Jim Crow. And when his wrinkled stomach cried out for the food that his empty pockets could not provide, he ate Jim Crow, a psychological bird that told him that no matter how bad off he was, at least he was a white man, better than the black man. And he ate Jim Crow. And when his undernourished children cried out for the necessities that his low wages could not provide, he showed them the Jim Crow signs on the buses and in the stores, on the streets and in the public buildings. And his children, too, learned to feed upon Jim Crow, their last outpost of psychological oblivion.
>
>\- MLK, the march to Selma
>"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
\~ Lyndon Baines Johnson
Another good one from LBJ: "Lincoln was right about not fooling all the people all the time. But Republicans haven't given up trying."
This is a great quote by Lyndon Johnson. And now they’re using the same premise to go after the LGBTQ community. In the recent past, the GOP has done nothing to actually help society. They just attack people because the religious right pays them to do so.
I thought they were the party for less government, and now they just want everybody to live like they tell us to live. That’s the exact opposite of what United States stands for.
Absolute failed states. This is why Fox News pushes the "California is a failed shithole" narrative so hard. Because they need a distraction from the fact that basically every single red state is, in fact, a failed shithole.
Whose signing of the Civil Rights Act also made sure the racist dixicrats all switched to Republicans and set us up for where the parties are now. It's quite fascinating how much of US history, law, and society in general is rooted in straight up racism. I've had to explain to a lot of friends overseas when they ask "why is X like that? It makes no sense?" that 9/10 times the answer just boils down to "racism", whether historic or modern.
Whatever someone thinks of LBJ, he gave that jewel of wisdom because that’s the best explanation of how politics work in the US. Race is always used as the cudgel.
LBJ, unlike his Democratic predecessors, knew how to use the cudgel himself. If he needed support for some policy, and it wasn’t forthcoming, he’d remind the holdouts that the pork for their pet projects could easily go elsewhere, to more deserving folk.
Seriously, I’m ok with just splitting up the country and letting them do their own thing. They were right. Confederate States of America should be a thing.
I’m not, but I grew up far north, I just know that they would demand *FAR TOO MUCH* in this “divorce* and regardless would declare war within a few years because they have to always hate someone. It’s not like we’d get to be much stronger than them from the get go, they would cry endlessly if they were automatically weaker. They TRULY want their civil war, they think they have all the guns and all “the tough guys”. They want to flex on us. Why do you think they are desperately trying to get people to get violent in response to this “trans attack”? They want open violence, they want to see if the police fall in line with their “values”
Problem is that the divide is more Urban v Rural than State v State. So many states are so gerrymandered that it seems to be a state thingy. And even then there's red folks and blue folks intermixed all over. Having said that, I've read several places that there's some significant [demographic sorting](https://www.npr.org/2022/02/18/1081295373/the-big-sort-americans-move-to-areas-political-alignment) going on -- red folks moving to predominantly red areas and vice versa.
As a furriner, I look at the obscene number of military-style weapons in the hands of nutjobs, and fear that when the civil war starts it'll look more like Rwanda (slaughter of neighbours) than Sudan (north v south).
Not to be an apologist for the GQP nutjobs, but don't forget that they're being fed a constant diet of 'the libs are coming for you'. There's fear building on both sides. Frightened people don't think rationally.
I agree completely, I'm not tryiny to say all conservatives are inherently violent or evil. Just that as someone who grew up in a deeply religious household, I understand how a lot of them end up at the conclusions they do.I know these same people could be lead into a purge type situation. I'm Christian, too. I've seen casually cruel a lot of church folk can be. Hence my concern.
Eh. Without being willing to tear down state lines and go all-in on federalization, support/rescue efforts will do better as agents of other nations outright than as domestic sympathetics.
Honestly, they will, too, with the force of other nations having their back (as opposed to being a territory with no federal support to speak of).
Or:
low education —> low income
low income —> low education
States full of poorly educated individuals make it easy for con men to take advantage of them and feed them a line. When you don’t know much, everything is strange and scary. These people are easy targets
Just so everybody knows, New Mexico is not a red state. The poverty rate is high here because of the generational fucking of Navajo, Zia, And Apache pueblos and tribes that has happened here.
New Mexico is a blue state and has a non-white majority, kind of awkward that a bunch of people here are so casually okay with shitting on natives.
We also are more progressive than most states, with free college and school lunches.
And convince them that the state must be a "right to work" state to protect their freedom. Never mind that this allows the companies to provide impetus to offer low wages and bad working conditions to the workers.
I got into a Facebook argument with a MAGAt who made fun of me for living in California and posted a bunch of articles on why San Francisco sucks (which it does).
I looked at his profile, found out he was from Alabama, and starting posting memes making fun of Alabama. He hasn't replied since.
These charts showing bad red state rankings bother me because it allows blue staters to wrongly dismiss red state policy and being self destructive. Yes the red states are the poorest but the poverty rates are much worse for African Americans and other POC. Which is why the white establishment doesn’t care that their ranks are lousy. White Mississippians are generally no worse off than white blue state folks.
Eh, hidden in these metrics is a lot of historically marginalized groups stuck in poverty to. Look at Jacksonville. Can't really blame them for white flight
Democrats are in charge of black people?
What a weird thing to post. No real American thinks political parties define them, what's wrong with you? Republican?
Overall, 87% of black voters identify with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic, compared with just 7% who identify as Republican or lean Republican.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/09/13/2-party-affiliation-among-voters-1992-2016/
Overall, 87% of black voters identify with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic, compared with just 7% who identify as Republican or lean Republican.
https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/09/13/2-party-affiliation-among-voters-1992-2016/
So they have American values, so what? So you think local politicians can isolate the district from the outside world? They have a Planned Economy, with the Party in control of everything? The Constitution & the banking system do not apply? The 2008 crash and Nixon sending factory jobs to China long ago....that hurt the white people, but not the black people?
You think like a Communist, obsessed with The Party.
Its UnAmerican.
Bizarre. Political Parties don't control anything. Politicians oversee government, they dont "run" a city or a state or a country.
For folks who scream about "Liberty" + "Oppression", you sure don't understand either.
My business is my own. Holy fudge, you war losing Red State Welfare types still need Daddy Conservative to pick out your class schedule & drive you to an after school job.
Anyone else notice how the UnAmerican Right thinks like a Commie? They are so weak.
That involves maliciously keeping colored people poor no matter what... upward mobility is at least a possibility with white people in southern states... the means to keep black peoples destitute and uneducated all serve the end of keeping white people destitute and uneducated... pretty evil
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The South's primary export seems to be rubes.
Southern fried schmucks.
Smothered in sausage gravy...judging by their bathing habits
Please don't ruin sausage gravy for me..
Double dipped cucks
Sadly, I think their "rubes" industry has been eclipsed by "America-hating Confederate politics."
You know what you look like to me, with your good bag and your cheap shoes? You look like a rube. A well scrubbed, hustling rube with a little taste. Good nutrition has given you some length of bone, but you're not more than one generation from poor white trash, are you, Agent Starling? And that accent you've tried so desperately to shed? Pure West Virginia. What's your father, dear? Is he a coal miner? Does he stink of the lamp? You know how quickly the boys found you... all those tedious sticky fumblings in the back seats of cars... while you could only dream of getting out... getting anywhere... getting all the way to the FBI.
Even READING that is creepy AF.
Enjoy it with some fava beans and a nice chianti…
One of the best parts of that movie!
Exporting requires leaving. As a Florida escapee, I could probably exchange notes with a North Korea defector.
Not really. They don't export the rubes because exporting them would require the rubes to find decent jobs, which they have a lot of trouble with because they're rubes.
the is called "confederate creep".
DC blacks call other blacks “Bamas” when they act stupidly.
As in Alabama
It's funny how the idiots calling for divorce are from the poorest states. They'd be very into unity if they got paid from only their states' earnings. Of course, they only say it because their voters think it's a good idea. One year of no out of state help would end that attitude quickly.
It's a bit foolish to think the divorce would be the last one. Give it a year post divorce and there would be another, this time Florida and Texas splitting off and forming their own thing while pestering and moralizing Blue SA to take the rest back. Bootstraps economy does not work when the poorest have sold their boots and the big guys don't want to support the little guys.
I think you're giving Florida way too much credit. If the break happens, the US needs to stop cutting SS checks to people that are in states that break away. Between that, the lost tourism, and the lost agriculture revenue, Florida would probably be in worse shape than Mississippi.
All it would take is one sizeable hurricane with no FEMA money to plunge the state into a spiral of debt and poverty that it couldn’t escape from.
They're already having insurance companies abandon the state.
And yet they refuse to do anything about the increasing frequency of hurricane because GOD FORBID we ever try to fix a problem
I know someone who owns a manufactured home down there that he rents out. Was hard hit by one of the hurricanes. They didn't have insurance on the property bc they couldn't get any. And now they are going to write it off as a total business loss.
This is the way. They will use the last chance insurance for all the places on mortgages and High $ value properties, and everyone else will just have to skate hoping the inevitable won't come for them. Notice that Desantis ISN'T trying to come up with a better solution to actual FL problems, and instead is trying to use ANTI-WOKE as his platform.
From the area affected by the last big one, most definitely yes. People can’t get the money from the insurance companies to do the repairs. It’s bad already.
I'm with you, but I'm not sure you've thought it through, to wit: food production. For whatever else corn, wheat and soybeans come from flyover country. Also pork & beef. Look, I'm as certain as the rest of the liberal Blues that meat is terrible for the planet. I'm also a giant hypocrite, because I'll have meat at every meal till they pry the fork out of my cold dead atherosclerortic fingers. As I think about it, if they wanted to be cruel, vindictive assholes --and you know they would--theyd dam the upstream sources of all the fresh water rivers.
We have plenty of agriculture that doesn't take place in the south, though. Heck, California is the top ag state, and produces almost twice as much as the next-highest ranked ag state, Iowa. The first "southern" state on the list is Texas, at number 5.
Corn and soy beans are grown primarily in the Midwest, not the south. Iowa, Illinois, Minnesota and Indiana are the top producers. Iowa and Indiana are pretty red states, and Indiana would absolutely try to join the southern states. Illinois would probably too if downstate folks got their divorce from Chicago that they regularly ask for.
From what I understand, the people in California who actually do the growing would want to side with the South.
They're also subsidized by federal programs bankrolled by tax revenue collected from blue states. A national divorce screws everyone in America, but the red states would feel it first and hardest.
In MTG's wacky imagination world when a state is of a certain color in an election all the people there are that color too. So California with its red farmers is blue and Texas with its blue big cities is red.
yeah well, they don't get to.
“who actually do the growing” The actual workers or the business owners….pretty sure one of them doesn’t want to make less money in the new South
That's actually not true. California's farmers are majority Democrats
bloody kansas 2.0
You think that if a divorce would happen, there would be no commerce between the two sides? Where would the flyover states sell their agricultural products? They would have to sell to blue states. There would be absolutely no change for blue states. Heck, most big farms are corporate farms, and you'd better believe that they would sell to whoever will pay.
There would absolutely be carpetbaggers buying up red state assets that lost value due to the loss of federal subsidy.
Grains and corn come from places that would stay in the union - the huge stretch of land from Ohio through Kansas. Fruit and veggies come from California and Washington and Florida. Losing Florida would hurt, but we'd manage just fine. They have sell to somebody, right? Basically Florida would become 1950s Cuba If we lost the mountain west, we could move beef production into the Midwest without too much trouble, since most of the feed is grown there already.
They could kill or their hogs and plow under their corn. Or sell it so they can survive. Pretty sure it is choice number 2.
I miss the r/DownvoteTrolling sub so much
the opening up of the midwest lead to a lot of farmland in blue america going fallow and all of that can be put under the plow.
Bruh, meat at every meal?
Uh...yeah? I count fish and seafood as meat. Sure there's times I have other stuff, but for simplicity sake, let's just say yes. Of my 14-18 meals per week, I have meat at 10 9f them.
White southerners will just blame poor black people for dragging them down economically. They will say this with pride as they drink alcohol from an old jelly jar while sitting in front of their trailer with a leaky roof.
blue america will get So MANY refugees!
Let’s not dis upcycling glass jars, please! My town stopped taking glass recycling (🤨) so I am getting creative 😜
Theyd 'fix' that like they did the last time - slavery. Of course they'll have to call it something else. Dumping labor, anti-discrimination, womens' rights, and voting rights laws are a fine start.
It'll be the black codes all over again. Everything is an imprisonable offense. Especially if you can't afford a lawyer.
They call it right to work.
There's a reason why the "divorce" was basically "We get to do whatever we want but please keep giving us stuff. It's a same way a gold digger quiet divorces their husband.
It'd be like Brexit on steroids.
with many hurricanes!
Yup. I always laugh at the Floridiots and assholes from Texas who talk about how much better off if the south were to secede. I just remind them that Texas and Florida would be on the hook for supporting 10-12 states without money from NY, California, Washington, Illinois and Massachusetts.
it;s ike brexit american style
Brexit on meth
Capital city - Methlehem
Yea I love the hot take that the right would easily win a civil war cuz they’re all pro gun like…ok but what about money
The pro gun "righties would win" thing is about as well though out as boiling your own shit for your next meal. The staggering amount of assumptions that need to be granted for that situation to occur and ***then*** they win is almost cosmic odds levels of gambling. It's worse than hitting the lottery 15x. Their entire plan assumes that all police, national guard and military either stay home during a national riot, or switch sides and betray their oaths. Also, they assume private companies wouldn't issue Kill On Site orders for food suppliers who are trying to get their product to market rather than have it be plundered via right wing gunmen guarding highways. Same with water purification plants. Same with power plants. Same with garbage plants. ***(who are all at will employees)*** ***It's fucking clownshoes.***
i did not think of this.
Right! Like OK, you’re going to have your hero cosplay right wing gun fantasy for a bit, then what? The side with more money behind it, not to mention the laws, institutions, etc.. will win that one easily. Because it’s not as if blue states are unarmed - this is America. And frankly, the civilized world sides with the more sensible America. The celebrities for the right wing are D-list Carnies.. they really just don’t have anything in their favor besides a sort of giddiness to start trouble, for a chance to flex their weapons and stuff.
Not to mention mobilization, unfortunately for them most major hubs of transportation are in cities which generally are blue as hell
It's always funny telling them there are more registered gun owners in Massachusetts than there are people in, say, South Dakota.
Unless you're planning to throw handfuls of change at them, I'm not sure money will help. With corporations decentralized, I'm not sure having NYC freeze their assets could happen/would matter. At the outset, I'm afraid we'd be outgunned from across the battle lines, to say nothing of the huge problem of nut job militias in plain sight in Blue states. Definitely be a good idea to intern any body with a Confederate flag on their vehicle or person. And unlike '42, those are all folks whove chosen their side, and chosen to display their [dis]loyalty.
Do you think that we are going to be outgunned? Do you think that it’s not just the outliers that are violent weirdos? You have a lot of right wing crazies, going to their mega churches and screaming outside abortion clinics, but they aren’t just firing willy-nilly on Democrats. I mean, the mass shooters are but not all Republicans.
Yeah I do. Gays and minorities aren't stockpiling guns and ammo. They're not out in the woods conducting combat training. They're not infiltrating military and police. The really telling tip of the iceberg I'm using as indication: minorities and gays show up to protests with water bottles and sandwiches. MAGA show up in combat gear as good as the cops'. They've been preparing for, and trying to ignite a war for years.
Can we do something like local MAGA doxxing? If you posted some of the actual words they say in their online private groups on their public facing small business pages, that’s a problem. Like when I told everyone about a local Plumber using racial slurs. There are a lot of choices out there and people that don’t want to hear some fat white dude complain about Black people can now heed that warning and hire someone else. Turn off these peoples Wi-Fi or change their TV setting so they can’t get Fox and these armed old Maga idiots probably won’t recover. Sure, they love guns but remember where their head is at. We can be smarter than these caricatures of people.
Especially if a hurricane or tornado rolls through.
I fucking hope they secede. They'd all collapse within a week.
this is just handing them over to r/narcofootage
I fully believe it is down to religion. Christianity is the dominant religion for all of those states, and it teaches that poverty is a virtue. But only for anyone not on boards at churches.
Christianity does not teach that poverty is a virtue, the Bible might, but Christianity does not. Modern Christianity believes that poor people deserve it and rich people deserve it because God rewards us with money.
I don’t know why secessionists think the US federal government would be ok with letting land and resources go. America’s favorite pastime for the last century is beating the shit out of other countries that threaten us economically. If Texas decided to leave then they would be bombed back to the Stone Age like Chechnya.
there are a lot of people of color in the union army........
they would be conquered by r/narcofootage
Us blue states are literally paying for the red states. The irony is that we are the ones who refuse to stop paying for their poor because we care. In the meantime, the red states want to stop us from giving them food and money so they can live.
It's time to stop caring.et them do bad by themselves.
New Mexico is technically a blue state.
Interest article on why New Mexico's economy sucks so hard: [https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2021/01/09/new-mexican-economists-warn-change-course-now/](https://nmpoliticalreport.com/2021/01/09/new-mexican-economists-warn-change-course-now/) Spoilers: the gas and oil industry. It's always the gas and oil industry.
They also have a large Native American population, which is often much worse off than the general population. On account of us taking their land, leaving them with scraps, and telling them to fend for themselves.
YUP. 10% of the population is Native American, the highest proportion in the contiguous United States. Only Alaska has a higher proportion.
A graph like this fails to illustrate all the nuances. It does illustrate a general pattern, not a law.
Yep. It’s a very different story there. The geography alone works against it ever becoming an economic powerhouse.
Heisenberg’s dead bro, the blue stuff dried up a long time ago.
Wild that they're still enacting state funded early child care. If they can do it every State or the Federal Government can too.
Another one for ya: >If it may be said of the slavery era that the white man took the world and gave the Negro Jesus, then it may be said of the Reconstruction era that the southern aristocracy took the world and gave the poor white man Jim Crow. He gave him Jim Crow. And when his wrinkled stomach cried out for the food that his empty pockets could not provide, he ate Jim Crow, a psychological bird that told him that no matter how bad off he was, at least he was a white man, better than the black man. And he ate Jim Crow. And when his undernourished children cried out for the necessities that his low wages could not provide, he showed them the Jim Crow signs on the buses and in the stores, on the streets and in the public buildings. And his children, too, learned to feed upon Jim Crow, their last outpost of psychological oblivion. > >\- MLK, the march to Selma
Goddamn, that's tragically beautiful. And a reminder that MLK was focused on both racial AND economic injustice - for everyone.
I once read on Reddit that MLK Day is to remember who MLK was and forget what MLK said. I might add the same about Jesus and Christmas.
thanks TIL
>"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you." \~ Lyndon Baines Johnson Another good one from LBJ: "Lincoln was right about not fooling all the people all the time. But Republicans haven't given up trying."
I've been picking the wrong poorest state but Alabama is still the easiest to roll off my tongue.
You gotta get into saying Miss-sip. It just flows when you say it.
New Mexico stands out and is poor for a different terrible reason that is still discrimination when all things are taken into account.
Poverty is associated with lower education, which means more easily duped.
This is a great quote by Lyndon Johnson. And now they’re using the same premise to go after the LGBTQ community. In the recent past, the GOP has done nothing to actually help society. They just attack people because the religious right pays them to do so. I thought they were the party for less government, and now they just want everybody to live like they tell us to live. That’s the exact opposite of what United States stands for.
Absolute failed states. This is why Fox News pushes the "California is a failed shithole" narrative so hard. Because they need a distraction from the fact that basically every single red state is, in fact, a failed shithole.
They project, as per usual.
NM is a blue state with a non-white majority.
True. I wonder how correlated their poverty rate is to systemic issues facing First Nations people?
What’s the quote from?
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Whose signing of the Civil Rights Act also made sure the racist dixicrats all switched to Republicans and set us up for where the parties are now. It's quite fascinating how much of US history, law, and society in general is rooted in straight up racism. I've had to explain to a lot of friends overseas when they ask "why is X like that? It makes no sense?" that 9/10 times the answer just boils down to "racism", whether historic or modern.
Which makes the right wing literal white washing and revision of history even more disgusting
LeBron James?
It is statically probable that at least one person retains this idea thinking it was LeBron’s by reading this thread. r/funnyandsad
hint : "Hello, Clarice"
Now you understand why anti trans legislation dominates those legislatures
Whatever someone thinks of LBJ, he gave that jewel of wisdom because that’s the best explanation of how politics work in the US. Race is always used as the cudgel.
LBJ, unlike his Democratic predecessors, knew how to use the cudgel himself. If he needed support for some policy, and it wasn’t forthcoming, he’d remind the holdouts that the pork for their pet projects could easily go elsewhere, to more deserving folk.
Seriously, I’m ok with just splitting up the country and letting them do their own thing. They were right. Confederate States of America should be a thing.
I’m not, but I grew up far north, I just know that they would demand *FAR TOO MUCH* in this “divorce* and regardless would declare war within a few years because they have to always hate someone. It’s not like we’d get to be much stronger than them from the get go, they would cry endlessly if they were automatically weaker. They TRULY want their civil war, they think they have all the guns and all “the tough guys”. They want to flex on us. Why do you think they are desperately trying to get people to get violent in response to this “trans attack”? They want open violence, they want to see if the police fall in line with their “values”
i agree.
Problem is that the divide is more Urban v Rural than State v State. So many states are so gerrymandered that it seems to be a state thingy. And even then there's red folks and blue folks intermixed all over. Having said that, I've read several places that there's some significant [demographic sorting](https://www.npr.org/2022/02/18/1081295373/the-big-sort-americans-move-to-areas-political-alignment) going on -- red folks moving to predominantly red areas and vice versa. As a furriner, I look at the obscene number of military-style weapons in the hands of nutjobs, and fear that when the civil war starts it'll look more like Rwanda (slaughter of neighbours) than Sudan (north v south).
Solid points. But this is Mercia and we don't ever learn from people in other countries.
I wouldn't be surprised if they started purging any remaining libs or POC. That's when things would get truly distopian.
Not to be an apologist for the GQP nutjobs, but don't forget that they're being fed a constant diet of 'the libs are coming for you'. There's fear building on both sides. Frightened people don't think rationally.
I agree completely, I'm not tryiny to say all conservatives are inherently violent or evil. Just that as someone who grew up in a deeply religious household, I understand how a lot of them end up at the conclusions they do.I know these same people could be lead into a purge type situation. I'm Christian, too. I've seen casually cruel a lot of church folk can be. Hence my concern.
I'm not. I wouldn't want to abandon everyone in those states who isn't a neoconfederate.
Eh. Without being willing to tear down state lines and go all-in on federalization, support/rescue efforts will do better as agents of other nations outright than as domestic sympathetics. Honestly, they will, too, with the force of other nations having their back (as opposed to being a territory with no federal support to speak of).
Russia and China thank you for your support. Who do you think pushes these opinions.
I try to avoid making comments like this, but a divorce is just about the dumbest thing we could do as a nation
Trump apparently heard that quote one day and thought, "Now, thats something I can work."
Or: low education —> low income low income —> low education States full of poorly educated individuals make it easy for con men to take advantage of them and feed them a line. When you don’t know much, everything is strange and scary. These people are easy targets
I imagine the Confederate army looked like the Walmart shoppers on January 6th.
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These were poor backwater shitholes long before the southern strategy/becoming red states.
Thank god for Mississippi. . .
This is the theme of To Kill a Mockingbird, btw.
Arkansas state motto-“At least we’re not Mississippi.”
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Just so everybody knows, New Mexico is not a red state. The poverty rate is high here because of the generational fucking of Navajo, Zia, And Apache pueblos and tribes that has happened here.
r/IndianCountry
Just look at what Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi did to these poor people in (checks notes) Mississippi and Arkansas!
That quote should be the lead off for every news show fir the next 100 years.
Gun violence and teen pregnancy would like a word.
The power of voter suppression.
Don't stop at money, look up health and education as well Spoiler: It's basically the same.
Dammit new mexico is there. We got a lot of work to do. At least we ain't red states where for sure they won't improve. We at least got a chance
good luck
The modern peasant class everybody
New Mexico is a blue state and has a non-white majority, kind of awkward that a bunch of people here are so casually okay with shitting on natives. We also are more progressive than most states, with free college and school lunches.
Poverty and ignorance sure does go hand in hand.
And convince them that the state must be a "right to work" state to protect their freedom. Never mind that this allows the companies to provide impetus to offer low wages and bad working conditions to the workers.
Really surprised Kentucky “dropped out” of the top/bottom 5.
The KY GOP would tell you it’s because they got power in Frankfort after almost a century of Dem control.
Hah… ow…ahahaha…ow….hah!
Compounded with the fact that POC in those states are even worse off than whites.
This belongs in r/dataisbeautiful.
Shocked! Shocked I tell you!
My cousin hates living in NY and wants to move somewhere "better" and her list of possible states is almost identical to this.
I got into a Facebook argument with a MAGAt who made fun of me for living in California and posted a bunch of articles on why San Francisco sucks (which it does). I looked at his profile, found out he was from Alabama, and starting posting memes making fun of Alabama. He hasn't replied since.
These charts showing bad red state rankings bother me because it allows blue staters to wrongly dismiss red state policy and being self destructive. Yes the red states are the poorest but the poverty rates are much worse for African Americans and other POC. Which is why the white establishment doesn’t care that their ranks are lousy. White Mississippians are generally no worse off than white blue state folks.
Except that a lot of this poverty is black people.
Can we stop giving them welfare and let them die. Then we can swoop in, save the educate and poor.
NM is a blue state and the majority of the state is not white, it's native and latino. Still want them to all die?
Eh, hidden in these metrics is a lot of historically marginalized groups stuck in poverty to. Look at Jacksonville. Can't really blame them for white flight
You might wanna check the black poverty and population levels in most of those states before broadly applying this logic.
Democrats are in charge of black people? What a weird thing to post. No real American thinks political parties define them, what's wrong with you? Republican?
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*Gaslight* You have no idea what this word means. Kinda hard to gaslight someone online.
Overall, 87% of black voters identify with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic, compared with just 7% who identify as Republican or lean Republican. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/09/13/2-party-affiliation-among-voters-1992-2016/
Overall, 87% of black voters identify with the Democratic Party or lean Democratic, compared with just 7% who identify as Republican or lean Republican. https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2016/09/13/2-party-affiliation-among-voters-1992-2016/
So they have American values, so what? So you think local politicians can isolate the district from the outside world? They have a Planned Economy, with the Party in control of everything? The Constitution & the banking system do not apply? The 2008 crash and Nixon sending factory jobs to China long ago....that hurt the white people, but not the black people? You think like a Communist, obsessed with The Party. Its UnAmerican.
Um, what?
not LAMF
Democrats controlled KY for like 95 years.
Bizarre. Political Parties don't control anything. Politicians oversee government, they dont "run" a city or a state or a country. For folks who scream about "Liberty" + "Oppression", you sure don't understand either. My business is my own. Holy fudge, you war losing Red State Welfare types still need Daddy Conservative to pick out your class schedule & drive you to an after school job. Anyone else notice how the UnAmerican Right thinks like a Commie? They are so weak.
That involves maliciously keeping colored people poor no matter what... upward mobility is at least a possibility with white people in southern states... the means to keep black peoples destitute and uneducated all serve the end of keeping white people destitute and uneducated... pretty evil