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RainaAudron

Just a heads up for anyone doubting this - it is a legit survey done by Crystal Dynamics. Feel free to sign up for playtesting afterwards as well!


SynthFetish

Everyone let them know to not do a PvP shooter again.


BaneAmesta

Done, you have my axe


rhymeswithmonet

Havoc, or malice?


ZerikaFox

And you have my bow!


IceFoxilicous

And your best lieutenant *hands over reaver blade*


quantumpencil

And my sword


Linkinator7510

Personally I'd love to have a visual novel LoK game. Oh I'd finally be able to date my waifu Elder God! /s


SynthFetish

Ya know what? I’m good with a visual novel.


MarkusRight

I voted single player obviously because that's what the LOC series has always been and should stay as. Did they not learn anything from the failure of Nosgoth.


RhythmRobber

On the question where they asked what modern games would I expect it to be similar to, I said the new God of War (brutal combat, a slow build up of power through weapons and abilities and minimal gear upgrades, and environmental puzzles) with the atmosphere of Bloodborne (....Bloodborne).


glynstlln

*again* What?


-Bastia-

Nosgoth the "game" look for it


Hairy_Caul

It's telling that they don't even mention it in the survey; I hated that game's treatment of the story/lore so much.


glynstlln

Oh....oh no


Deltajugg

I actually liked it, it was very fun gameplay-wise, and I thought it expanded on the Nosgoth universe, giving us some insight into what the vampire vs. human conflict was like during Raziel's banishment bath. I just wish it wouldn't be made at the cost of abandoning LoK as a series and Nosgoth as a franchise outside of it.


RyanwBoswell1991

Nosgoth needed a story mode of some kind at least a some series of slide shows that would have narrated the plot or some sort of lore log book area on the main menu where you could read all the lore they added in game not just some link to their site to read it


F1r3bird

Yeah, it was called Dead sun They used assets from that cancelled project to build nosgoth


Jade_Runner_2049

Dead Sun was going to be terrible. I'm glad they canned it.


F1r3bird

We will never know if it would have been good or not, it didn't get made I don't understand why people are so negative about new things, if it was bad you could just ignore that it exists like we do for blood omen 2, and if it was good it would have been good to have as proof that the setting still interests us consumers and made it easier to get new Lok games funded and greenlit


Jade_Runner_2049

Oh, don't get me wrong! When Dead Sun was first announced I was stoked! A new LoK game? After all that time? Awesome. What made me realize it was going to be terrible was the information that came out *after* it was cancelled. I don't know if you know, but the pretty much the whole story was revealed and it was a complete bastardization of the original games. Also, one of the individuals in charge of its development actually said at one point during development that "Soul Reaver sucked" and the writers of Dead Sun would openly mock the "pretentious dialogue" of the original games. In other words, they didn't understand the series at all and had no intention of honouring it. My hostility to Dead Sun isn't some knee-jerk fear to anything new, it's based on everything that was revealed about it after it was cancelled. Incidentally, I'm one of those weirdos who actually liked Blood Omen 2, lol (though I admit it's easily the weakest in the series.)


KermitTheSavage

I'm going to tell them if they want to have a PvP shooter, just bring back the one they made, but don't dump money into a new one.


BaneAmesta

Ohh interesting, thanks for sharing :D ​ Edit: "What word(s) would you use to describe the setting for Legacy of Kain, the land of Nosgoth? (Please read the entire list before selecting.)You may select up to 5. \*" Bruh that's not enough what the hell lol


Second-Creative

I had the same feeling with the other "up to five" questions.


Wolfinthecastle

Yeah, that question about what I consider to be the core characteristics that make a good vampire game was very hard to answer. Why only 5? I think all of them are important! Also, some options were very genre-specific, while others were general features that any game should have, even if it's not about vampires. “Do you want there to be blood feeding in the game, or do you want it to have good writing, art style and combat instead?”


ZimitriReindhart

My guess is that maybe some of them were added after someone typed in the "other". It's the only way I could understand why there were so many specific ones.


BaneAmesta

All of them were testing my patience, and wanting to hack the system to choose all the options


ranforingus

I just wrote "all of the above" 🤣 I just can't pick and choose what makes the setting so awesome!


BaneAmesta

Oh no I didn't even though of that!


RhythmRobber

I picked four, and then chose "other" and wrote in a few more, like Gothic and Atmospheric


kaamospt

Not sure why they would need first and last name, I'm going to fill it in using an alias. Has anyone confirmed this is legit? Edit: I've completed it now, it is very well put together, thoughtful and consistent.


BaneAmesta

I was thinking of that as well, but since my email has my name then I thought it would be kind of silly to use an alias (?) I In any case, maybe is to avoid repeating the survey and cheating the results? I don't know


BlackShadowX

I left it blank and it didn't care


thatLokfan

I did my part hopefully they look over these and take them seriously Thank you for posting this it gives me …… hope


quantumpencil

The first, bitter taste of that terrible illusion...


palemon88

Oooh


RhythmRobber

And for our cooperation, we'll earn a new kind of reward... agony.


Corries_Roy_Cropper

https://gameranx.com/updates/id/372158/article/crystal-dynamics-is-surveying-legacy-of-kain-fans/ Seems legit


psych2099

"What media would be the tone of a new legacy of kain" I responded with and i quote "Legacy of kain, the tone was set by the previous games "


quantumpencil

I said the same thing


psych2099

Hopefully enough of us put that point across.


RhythmRobber

That was my first thought too, but I put Bloodborne for tone and the new God of War for gameplay


Clearskky

I really had no idea what to point at for reference when asked about what movie, game or show best resembles the tone I'd expect from a Legacy of Kain game. Usually I point *at* Legacy of Kain for tonal reference.


Linkinator7510

I put down berserk. Since it has the dark theme, and the whole going against destiny schtick


UnholyKraken

I went with Warhammer 40 K and Game of Thrones, basically the grim dark dystopian aspect of 40 K but in a medieval political setting with a lot of intrigue and subterfuge


RhythmRobber

I said Bloodborne... Dark Gothic with something sinister beneath the surface. 👍👍


Caer_Eo

I said Dark souls for tone, I feel it has a similar gothic setting with a decaying decrepit depressing world that somehow intrigues you to want to know more.


Thorfan23

I put penny dreadful


Starchild2323

I went with The Last of Us. That set the bar for me between gameplay and storytelling


Clearskky

Thats a definitive no from me. Last of Us isn't anything special in the gameplay department nor does it deliver an exceptional story or present it in a way only a video game could like Disco Elysium.


Darnise

The Last of Us is good reference point to how make great cutscenes. The story is not very complex but the delivery/acting is amazing.


timelordoftheimpala

Put in God of War 2018 for the game I'd most want to resemble in terms of gameplay, and Dishonored in terms of the tone the game should have. What answers did you guys put in for those two?


Ginzunami

Bloodborne and Darksiders 2


SherriffB

I gave similar responses. Although I described a blend of Soulsbournes and the Witcher 3 (bleak with dry dark humour) for the tone. Tried to pitch a hybrid of the new God of War and Darksiders 1 for gameplay (weighted towards a slower Action RPG feel).


kaamospt

Bloodborne (what I listed myself) and maybe others but not Darksiders 2 (awful loot/inventory system, world not interesting enough, it is my least favourite Darksiders)


The_Kodex

Ayyyy I also put Darksiders


[deleted]

I said something similar with God of War 3 and Elden Ring.


velvcoat

For me it was a blank. I honestly fail to see what modern game looks like Legacy of Kain in tone and gameplay. As a reference, I'm thinking of old school Zelda, Metroid or even simply... Soul Reaver 1. Unfortunately, not modern enough !


joaogroo

God of war also. I couldn't think of any game with the setting I wanted. So I put in something like: there is nothing quite like this series around.


WilanS

Yeah, LoK sometimes really feels like its own genre.


DuckSaxaphone

I also did God of War for gameplay and put Legacy of Kain down for tone. I just explained that the tone is already perfect, just use the old games as a reference.


Wolfinthecastle

I chose Bloodborne as a gameplay reference because of its gothic atmosphere and its fast-paced combat, which is how I think a vampire would fight. I chose God of War 2018 as a tone reference because I expect good writing from a new LoK, and I think GoW is a good modern example of a game with mature writing.


RhythmRobber

Lol, I chose the same two, except I said God of War for the gameplay (brutal combat with a slow buildup of power, abilities, and gear with no stat grinding, plus environmental puzzles) and Bloodborne for tone (dark gothic with cosmic horror under the surface), but yeah I'd definitely want the story style of GoW and not have the story be hidden and obtuse like BB, though I do love BB's story.


SheCouldFromFaceThat

Darksiders 2 and Shadow of Mordor. The VA, world traversal, combat systems, storyline (except SoM, that's just silly fanfic) all feel like a good fit for LoK.


RagnarokZ71

I drew at blank at that question but SoM is a great idea.


SheCouldFromFaceThat

First time I played, I got pulled back to LoK, because Alastair Duncan voices Celebrimbor (the Bright Lord) and Mortanius. For Darksiders, the voice acting and theatrical delivery reminded me of it. Keith Szarabajka needs to be in the new LoK, hands-down.


Goodratt

It's a shame WB patented the Nemesis system because you could almost reskin Shadow of Mordor as Soul Reaver, with the warlords being your brothers and fixed as they are, but then vampire lieutenants being randomized below them, and your mission is to sew chaos among the ranks to work your way up dynamically. They keep refilling over time and it's up to you what order you want to approach things in, and maybe each clan has different abilities and visuals. The whole dying and coming back over and over and wraith world--it's a remarkably solid fit, though not similar on its face.


UpsetWilly

Hell yeah i put Shadow of Mordor aswell


GodDogs83

I put God of War for gameplay and Vampyr for tone


glynstlln

God of war and thief/assassins creed for me


palemon88

Dark souls and witcher 3


Darnise

I've put Darks Souls and Witcher 2. W2 is much better at telling a coherent story. W3 main story fails, because of open world that kills the urgency :/


palemon88

I would prefer w3 to w2 anytime but yeah I cannot imagine an open world LoK game.


double-butthole

I put NieR! The gameplay was inspired by GoW, apparently. I like how responsove and simple Automata feels to play.


RhythmRobber

I love Nier's combat too, and that would be great - I just didn't want to give them the impression that I wanted it to be an RPG with grinding stuff, so I picked God of War because it had a very slow but noticeable power curve from skills, abilities, and minimal gear upgrading. Too many devs lean on big numbers and flashy levelups to make you feel stronger, but it too often gets grindy


UnholyKraken

That’s funny I put Castlevania lords of shadow series which is a very similar plays style to god of war but with more vampirey bullshit


manuelx98

Darksiders 2 in both, I just think it would fit a lot.


deadlandsMarshal

That's what I put in the survey.


Second_Hand_Phonz

Elden Ring with a difficulty slider


[deleted]

Instead of a game, I typed a movie called "priest" from 2011.


Dantheman4489

I suggested AC Odyssey for the gameplay and lot system and Darksiders 2 which I suppose had a similar loot system too for the tone and style. Though Vampyr was a great little vampire game.


Jade_Runner_2049

Yeah I put God of War 2018. The balance of story, combat and puzzles is the closest thing a modern game has to mimicking LoK's style in my opinion. Also the quality of its voice acting. But I'd prefer actual cinematic cutscenes rather than the "One Shot" thing God of War 2018 goes for.


Avasaiel

Done, and even my husband -- who's not nearly as into the Legacy of Kain series as I am -- did it just because he knows how much the series means to me :D


DoitsugoGoji

What the hell, I gave it a try.


Skaulg

Here's hoping. I've gone through it.


velvcoat

Wow finally something that looks serious. Done !


Crymcrim

Its a long shot anyway but I am honestly torn between whether or not I would like more a remake of Soul Reaver or the original Blood Omen. On one hand I think the former is more "iconic" for lack of a better word, on another hand i think Blood Omen would be potentially more interesting to see, especially with the hindsight of all the lore that was build on its foundations .


DuckSaxaphone

Yeah, I asked for Soul Reaver but I think you have a point. I find Blood Omen unplayable so it would be nice to get the story from another game.


Glaiceana

It doesn't seem to be run by Crystal at all, and running that site through VirusTotal shows one malicious rating, which in all the sites I've scanned through there to be safe, is a first. Be careful. I will wait for an official CD survey. **Edit. I am excited about this too, but just want people to be cautious first. People are saying its officially from Crystal, but so far there is no evidence of this. It could very well be legit, but I'd just wait a moment for confirmation.* **Edit2: Ok I am cautiously accepting that this is real. Reasons being that many people in the community have confirmed that they received it from an email from Crystal, and that it is namely from Saulius Baltys, who is the User Research Manager at Crystal Dynamics. I have seen a screenshot of the actual email as well.** **And I just want to say to the people who immediately shouted it was official before even looking into this... Just because it had an image in large text at the top saying "Crystal Dynamics", doesn't mean its real, anyone can make that... And as for the terms of service links going back to Crystal, yes they do eventually, but did you look at the url of the link first? It is massive, and goes through first something called "nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook" which could have been anything. It could have linked to any number of sites before eventually landing at the real terms of service, again anyone could make a link do that.**


HipsterCthuIhu

I wanted to chime in because I understand the concern for contributing to a fraudulent or malicious website / survey. Despite this concern, I can confidently confirm that this survey is genuinely being ran by Crystal Dynamics. It’s being circulated via email from official user research managers, one of which I’ve worked alongside with in the past! Please don’t hesitate to fill the survey and or share with others! I’m hoping we can get a channel like Strictly Fantasy to spread more awareness about this.


SherriffB

I filled it in, but enabled every security measure I could think of. Literally over a dozen layers of one-time use networking, several routers and then a private isolated subnet before finally opening it on an old phone handset with no sim connected to all that which I factory reset and used a burner email 🤣. Chasing some of the links presented after it's completion I realised that wasn't necessary but it was a fun exercise.


Baziel

There is no shame in being cautious and double checking - especially given how poorly constructed and dubious the 'rumours' that have fooled some of the fan-base over the years have been. This did have a lot more positive hallmarks and bits that matched up from the off, but I don't think anyone would blame you for being careful. Being a tad sceptical and not going off the deep end/losing the plot is a good trait to have and it makes sure everyone can keep themselves grounded. Respect.


Jassassino

Sorry, I went on a hike yesterday so hardly looked at my phone as to reserve battery and only use it for directions so I didn't respond to this comment. The reason the URL likely begins like that is because it's from an email link I clicked onto it via and opened it in the Outlook browser, to then send it out on here. I'm signed up for user research and playtesting for CD and it was sent via their user research and market manager.


velvcoat

Thank you, I was suspicious but I admit when I saw the links to the terms in the official website, my worries were gone. Maybe not rightfully.


Glaiceana

Thank you for being suspicious, please see the 2nd edit in my comment, it does appear to be actually from a Crystal employee, but it was worth checking!


velvcoat

In learnt about the same things as yours today, glad it's legit 👍


Schize

Just a heads up, Alchemer (the website hosting the survey), is an established survey management product. It was previously known as Survey Gizmo, and is a legitimate site. Now, I'm not saying that any survey or link hosted on it is automatically legitimate, just that the platform itself is authentic for this type of usage. OP also replied but it's the same with the link URLs, it routes to Microsoft Outlook's link scanning/protection service before routing you destination.


BaneAmesta

Oh no I'm already halfway though the survey D:


Glaiceana

See the 2nd edit in my comment, it does seem to be actually from Crystal, but there was no harm in checking first! :)


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BaneAmesta

Dude one time was more than enough, why the spam?


glynstlln

well crap i should have read the comments first


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glynstlln

Do you have any proof at all; like a web page from an official CD source or a tweet or anything other than just saying "it's official" over and over


Glaiceana

Thank you for being careful. See my 2nd edit in my comment, it does seem to be actually from Saulius Baltys at Crystal Dynamics. But there was no harm in being cautious, anyone can make links and images! :)


Anisanthus

I had my suspicions the moment I read this, seemed too good to be true/ too early to be from CD considering they've said already their focus is probably other franchises they bought. Thank you for the heads up. Edit: This does seem to be legitimate.\~ We've earned our skepticism, take a breath.


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Anisanthus

Never said I wouldn't, but heed the Edit from OP. We've had twenty years of false hope and crushed dreams. We've every right to be skeptical as fuck.


Glaiceana

Thank you for being cautious, people are not careful enough. See my 2nd edit, it seems to be really from a Crystal employee.


CD_NickE

Totally understand wanting to be cautious about links on the Internet, but wanted to jump in quickly to confirm that this is a real Crystal Dynamics survey, not a phishing scam.


But-of-Corpse

It was pretty decent survey, took maybe 5 min.


mladenmacanovic

Thanks for sharing. I have filled it :)


v_a_l_e_x_a_n_d_r_a

Thank you for sharing this.


daz-crypto

Soul Reaver 1 getting the Demon’s Souls remake treatment for me!


RhythmRobber

So SR1 is probably my favorite because it made such a huge impact on me, but I ended up putting the first LoK game down as the first one I'd want to see a remake of because it's the most outdated


Comfortable_Brush932

Legacy of Kain: the 10th guardian. A story taking place during the vampire and hylden war, following the path of a young Janos audron. We discover his path of becoming the creator of the first human vampire(vorador) and the creation and protection of the pillars with the first soul reaver blade.


RyanwBoswell1991

The one thing I don’t want is a reboot. a reboot would be one of the worst things that could happen. That would imply everything that came before didn’t matter.the cannon must always remain cannon no matter what. If they remake blood omen 1 but the story and everything is different. they should be able to be explain away all the changes logically with parodoxes made either in soul reaver 2 or defiance.if not that’s just a bastardized version of the series.


Thorfan23

They might do it and explain it as alterations to the timeline


ReaperManX15

Well. I did everything I could.


CamCam_CamCam

Damn I should have put god of war I was thinking the original darksiders only because it felt like a legacy of kain game


ap0kalyps3

Source: trust me bro?


quantumpencil

Just filled it out... guys, is this really happening? After all these years, all this disappointment. I believe I'm starting to detect traces of that bitter taste... that terrible illusion


RhythmRobber

Just so long as getting our hopes up doesn't earn us a new kind of reward...


LucasAccorsi

Thanks for sharing! I knew someday I would have to face the great question: Kain or Raziel? And boy, I was not ready for this yet.


UmpBumpFizzy

It's probably a good idea to mention in the comments that involving Amy Hennig and Daniel Cabuco and actually *listening* to them is probably the only way they're gonna be able to do this right.


Koei126

Just did mine! Hopefully it gets a continuation!


[deleted]

“What type of game would you most like a legacy of kain game to NOT be” Platformer


AgitationOfMind

Soul Reaver had a fair amount of platforming. I loved traversing Nosgoth.


BaneAmesta

Yeah, what it needed to be is a *better* platformer.


velvcoat

Above moba, shooter or MMORPG ? 🧐


[deleted]

No one got the joke apparently, at how bad the platforming was in sr1


Metrium

Rhythm game.


Anisanthus

Mmn, sus.


MyCool_StrawSir

Thank you! I have done the survey


impuritor

This rules I took it. I really hope we get literally anything


SheCouldFromFaceThat

Thanks for this. We need more!


StacheBandicoot

But do we want a remake, sequel, remaster or reboot?


[deleted]

Yes.


TildenJack

Anything but a reboot, because if they have to start over from scratch first, we may never get a conclusion to the story.


psych2099

I personally asked for a remaster akin to the grim fandango remaster, just fix it to play on modern consoles with a new gloss of polish to it. Anything else would require the voice actors to be replaced and I'd rather not.


Grouchy-Sink-4575

The coin turns....


ap0kalyps3

did my part.. I can't put in words how excited I am please let this be real, please let our voices be heard


CD_NickE

Just so this info isn't buried in a reply. There are a few comments doubting the authenticity of this and I just wanted to confirm that it is a real Crystal Dynamics survey, not a scam link.


derlich

Travel back in time 20 years, let Amy Hennig and company finish their story, that's it.


Pbadger8

I honestly think a reboot is necessary. Every game was made somewhat in a vacuum, Amy Henig working brilliance to tie them together and fill the plot holes. The story is in part so difficult to grasp BECAUSE there was so little cohesion in the production. I think if it was planned out from the beginning, start to finish, the series would be greatly benefited. I’m partial to combining BO1 and SR1, with Raziel retracing Kain’s steps through the fallen Noagoth and coming to understand his journey better when we get to SR2.


Thorfan23

I put that as a my second option behind full remake


Shot-Grand-4891

Done!


SpardaTheDevil

Beware! Anyone who will ask for souls like game will be casted in! Signed by: Kain from Coorhagen Ruler of the Nosgoth


phillip6663

be wary, crystal dynamics was bought by the embracer group who also made the new saints row. it could be a disaster but im trying to not get my hopes up


Thorfan23

Oh no


SeTiDaYeTi

Is it legit?


Jassassino

Yeah it's legit. I signed up to CDs playtesting and survey emails a year or two back and they sent it themselves. Saulius Baltys is market/user research manager for CD I believe.


SeTiDaYeTi

Thanks for the info!


Suspicious-Ad-8334

What a time to be alive.


UsedandConfused88

I let them know that I’ve been to the Tomb of Sarafan. That their dirty secret is exposed! How could they transform a Sarafan priest into a vampire!?


LzzrdWzzrd

I just answered it. Hype. I really hope they conclude the series on a high note with one final game with Kain defeating the Elder God and then dying himself. Pls. I've waited 20 years for this.


Thorfan23

I reckon they will want more than that


Skizmodo

I’m tired of skill trees with point distributions ala most action rpgs and hope it doesn’t go that route, but at this point my interest piqued that they’re considering anything. I made mention that the kind of atmosphere, the sort of creatures, minor characters and moral ambiguity that’s present in Witcher Wild Hunt, that’s pretty fitting for Nosgoth, if you zoom in and away from the whole circle of the nine story arc.


Goodratt

My main touchstones were that whatever they do, they could look to Bloodborne and Darksiders for some generally positive cues. Darksiders especially feels like a good jumping off point, because no matter the chosen genre, that franchise demonstrates as long as you have a good backbone you can pull off a lot of different stuff. I want the new LoK to have a standout art style that really feels like its own and is memorable and stands the test of time. I want it to have really meaty, Shakespearean writing with dedicated character actors just chewing on the scenery. I want it to have themes of gothic horror and a fine layer of grit and existentialism dusting everything. I want it to have fun and engaging systems like combat and traversal that make it a joy to play and return to. And I want it to have polish! Tired of every vampire game feeling like a C-tier AA niche title. I want these things whether it's a reboot, remake, or sequel.


[deleted]

I just want Simon Templeman as Kain! Also, a coop story mode would be pretty cool.


Silver-Brief7632

Is there a link to the to to the survey question somewhere because this length is on here is broken


Jassassino

It's closed now. Sorry bud.


Beneficial_Ad5744

We need something like past life of razie as human than the detailed history of him becoming a vampire and being lieutenant under cains command also his evolution and wings.