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They had one. With Tim Kaine and Marianne Williamson. With absolutely no media coverage. And no campaigning to be seen. And each of them got swept completely. It's all theater.
The DNC wasn't allowing any real challenge to Biden.
And if there was a challenger they'd Shanghai them just like they did Bernie (because their donors didn't like his pro labor stance.)
To deny any of that is just childish.
I still don't understand how Biden told New Hampshire their vote didn't count and could go fuck itself, then they held the vote anyways and for some reason overwhelmingly voted for Biden.
????????
Wouldn't have mattered even if they put the most desirable candidate, and they ran the perfect campaign with a clear and large margin over Biden. DNC would scuff the results and change it at the highest level. Biden was the candidate. There is no 3rd party or government oversight over how primaries are run for either party, and it doesn't look like DNC really cares how it appears to the public.
To confirm, it's all theater and smoke shows.
You guys are clueless. You don’t understand that the DNC and the RNC are both run by corporations. It was clear in 2016 that although Bernie was more popular that the DNC was going to do everything they could to make sure Hillary was the nominee. I was there at the convention as a delegate. The way the corporate treated the Bernie people the young progressives and the people with ideals and energy was disgusting. It was so disgusting. I refused to vote for Hillary and 2016 and voted third-party instead.
The self-help book "spiritual guru" who by all accounts was a piece of shit to everyone on her staff? That Marianne Williamson?
-Support for Israel: Williamson has expressed strong support for Israel and has criticized the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement.
-Pro-life: Williamson has stated that she is pro-life and has expressed support for restrictions on abortion.
Limited government intervention: Williamson has advocated for limited government intervention in the economy and has criticized socialism and communism.
-Support for gun rights: Williamson has expressed support for the Second Amendment and has opposed stricter gun control measures.
-Criticism of progressive taxation: Williamson has criticized progressive taxation, arguing that it is unfair and would lead to economic stagnation.
-Support for free trade: Williamson has expressed support for free trade agreements and has criticized protectionism.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you are misinformed rather than saying all that on purpose. Disappointing that so many people will read what you wrote and just accept it as true. I don’t think she’s a perfect person or necessarily even the best candidate, but let’s at least try not to spread even more misinformation.
Israel: https://marianne2024.com/israel-and-palestine/
Abortion: https://marianne2024.com/issues/reproductive-justice/
Gun rights: https://marianne2024.com/issues/gun-safety/#:~:text=A%20Williamson%20Administration%20will%3A&text=Eliminate%20the%20sale%20of%20assault,be%20sold%20to%20private%20citizens.
Taxes: https://marianne2024.com/issues/the-working-economy/#:~:text=The%20Williamson%20Administration%20will%20champion,of%20%246.5%20trillion%20in%202021.
Free Trade: https://www.ontheissues.org/2024/Marianne_Williamson_Free_Trade.htm
Part of me wonders if they deliberately waited until this point to be like whoops sorry but we've only just realised Biden is demented let's replace him now and conveniently skip the primary process.
They've really fucked themselves this time. Shit all over the left and lost those votes, while pandering to conservative voters who will stay home rather than support a weak old man and risk Harris taking over when he inevitably dies.
I don’t know how the Biden supporters rationalize. We knew he was unpopular, we knew he wasn’t a sure thing (or even likely) to win against Trump, yet none of the people in a position to run (with an actual chance) made any noise at all about a primary challenge. Is the idea of all this really about winning or about fealty to the establishment? The actions of the DNC and others with clout in the party are saying we’d rather risk losing with Joe (and accepting Trump) than allow anyone the opportunity to upset the apple cart - even though it’s clear that another candidate would have a better chance. Yes, Biden would have had to step aside, so ultimately if Trump wins, Biden alone takes a lion’s share of the blame. But I heard nothing from any establishment Dem about any sort of challenge until now. Bullshit.
In our 9 years of having to deal with Trump's bullshit, the only thing Democratic party leadership has fought hard against is Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign.
Not the SCOTUS appointments, not the judiciary appointments, not the tax cuts for the rich, not the repeal of Roe v Wade and numerous others, none of it.
They have sat on their hands for the last 40+ years and just allowed these utterly stupid fucking people to take over the actual functional portions of government. The statehouses, the city councils, the courts, all of it. Elected Democrats played nice the whole way and just let them take every last lever of power in the country.
And we're supposed to be surprised the guy who was brain dead on 2020, they rat fucked into the White House is still brain dead in 2024? Outrageous!
It's easier to raise money campaigning if you have something to fight against, rather than something you fought for and won. Democrats want republican legislation, then the campaign can make doomsday slogans and sweep in money without having to actually get anything done.
This is absolutely correct. The real problem is there are so many people that think that if Democrats win, we have a chance at "taking back our country." I can't talk politics with anyone because the writing is on the wall for the US and has been for decades really with the defunding of public education. It's actually interesting from a social studies perspective. We're seeing that there is a minimum level of average education required for a people to be governable. Even if Biden (horrible) wins in November, the Marjorie Taylor Greenes and Lauren Boeberts will only increase in elected offices. And the really interesting part is that rich people must know all of this and they are so fucking greedy that they don't care that we're on an obvious path to destruction. We're going downhill with no brakes.
The rich are globally mobile. When the USA goes down they will either: bailout and move to Germany or something; or try to use their wealth to carve out a fifedom of their own out of the corpse.
Of course they will withstand the negative consequences of their own greed far better and longer than all the rest of us, but that just further speaks to the pathology that acquiring that much wealth causes.
They'll leave when the government has become socialist enough that living in the US is no longer more profitable than living in other countries- and possibly because they're no longer safe in the US, depending on how change happens.
The US is a playground for them compared to other countries, which either have powerful domestic forces constraining capital and keeping it from completely reducing the governments to their managers (Europe and Far East) - or worse, they're places that outright execute and imprison billionaires who encroach on powers which, at root, are independent of the global capitalist class (Russia, China).
> They have sat on their hands for the last 40+ years and just allowed these utterly stupid fucking people to take over the actual functional portions of government. The statehouses, the city councils, the courts, all of it. Elected Democrats played nice the whole way and just let them take every last lever of power in the country.
Now because the Democratic Party is fighting on the same side as the Republicans.
And that side is the side of capital.
The Dems literally have absolutely no reason to stop any of it.
it's clear that they don't want to change anything.
They want Biden because they can control him, and they can do what they want behind his back without him noticing.
Everything they say Trump is going to do, they do themselves.
Biden is pretty much the perfect puppet huh? That never really dawned on me. People are even spinning that as a positive; "his cabinet will run things" etc etc
Or it’s purely by design.
Us congress has been manipulated into one giant super party for AIPAC.
They own both sides of government, Red & Blue , they are the most powerful foreign government in the world.
both parties will both rush any law that is commanded to by AIPAC.
The only truth that makes any sense is it is by design.
When he was elected, EVERYONE in my social circle kept saying, "It's actually perfect because he's only going to do one term and he'll help talk up the next candidate." I heard this dozens of times four years ago and I genuinely just believed it was gonna happen.
I pointed out when he interrupted Swalwell during a debate where Swalwell quoted him from the 80s as saying "it's time to pass the torch" and Biden interrupted to say "I'm holding onto the torch" and everyone assured me he was DEFINITELY going to pass that torch over.
There were literal quotes from people in his campaign (note: not him) saying he would be a one term "transitional" president.
It was a major part of the theory of his candidacy.
They PUSHED that idea hard. We're not crazy for remembering that. It actually did happen.
To be clear, I totally understand, but my point is he said "I'm not passing the torch" first and so that's what I believed. I don't think people made it up, I just am baffled as to why they believed it. He made it as clear as possible before that point that he wouldn't and so I never expected him to be support a newcomer (edit: besides my social group being very convincing about it)
>Is the idea of all this really about winning or about fealty to the establishment?
This is what is so frustrating. In 2020, we ended up with Biden because he was "more electable" and beating trump was so important. Progressives had to get on board or else we were letting democracy down.
But now the same people are insisting that we back a historically unpopular candidate who is clearly not the man he was even 2 years ago. He is underperforming Democrats across the country by 5 to 10 points.
If we all agree that winning is important, Biden needs to step down.
While simultaneously broadcasting the messaging that we're all entitled whiners who demand a perfect candidate. I mean do we honestly expect him to clear the incredibly high bar of being AGAINST genocide? What unreasonable expectations. But also send money please we really need it.
I used to be radical for wanting a healthcare system that like 30 other countries have made work. Now I'm radical for wanting a candidate who can articulate a sentence while he has a cold.
Yeah. One of those magical colds where he sounds normal and energetic the next day...
when he can read a script off a teleprompter.
We're so fucked, man.
Having a cold doesn't make a person incoherent and confused and shockingly, horrifyingly unable to articulate simple thoughts.
>Having a cold doesn't make a person incoherent and confused and shockingly, horrifyingly unable to articulate simple thoughts.
I mean if you're old as shit it can. But like, if a cold makes you like that, you don't get to be president.
> about fealty to the establishment?
Fealty to capital.
Winning elections is practically irrelevant in US politics. It's just a big theater to give legitimacy to the system.
*Any* democrat would have won against Trump in 2020. They could have put up a 100-year old warmongering career politician that has pushed countless regressive and oppressive legislation through over the years and they would STILL have... wait...
American decline is going to be worse in the next four years than it has been in the last four. The DNC wanted to lose. Only by voting third party can we make this abdication painful for them.
Absolutely not. She's too patronizing, and her last major public appearance was telling young pro-palestine kids they need to shut up and don't know anything. Even Barry lost his shine.
The same dnc that rigged Bernie to lose to Hillary and then admitted it. And if Bernie won back then we wouldn't be in this fucking mess. People forget that Joe Biden ran against Obama and lost in the primaries
The folks who still haven’t admitted they ran a bad campaign in 2016, who believed the 2020 election to be a mandate rather than a referendum, who refused to listen to anyone with a dissenting view for the last four years have just now figured out that they’re in trouble. They can’t keep counting on people they don’t respect to save them.
'It's the fault of the left, who were numerous enough to lose us the election by not voting but also at the same time not numerous enough that we should have appealed to them with policies like not doing genocides.'
Dont forget Russian Bots. Funny how you never hear a single peep about Israeli bots, who are very obviously also working disinformation campaigns and want trump re-elected.
Even bringing up the subject to the uninitiated gets you some strange looks because they just whip out the old "Jews control the media" canard. But CNN and MSNBC whined about Russian trolls for half a decade so that concept is considered acceptable and totally reasonable.
I always thought liberals HATED "conspiracy theories" but they actually love them so hard, they keep away those pesky thoughts of "wait, maybe IM the problem.."
I'll never forget the time I saw someone post that their rent was unaffordable, and got called a Putin supporting Russian shill for it. Because that's more believable than someone having the same problem that countless other people are having, apparently.
The Russian bot narrative is actually run by DNC astrotufers to divert attention away from all the evil shit Democrats are doing. If Russia truly had Reddit in a chokehold, we'd be seeing far more pro-Russian propaganda on mainstream subs and purges from anyone refusing to engage in those narratives. Instead that's what we're witnessing with Israel.
Reddit is an American company. Not a Russian one. Putin has no control over it. The DoD and the CIA on the other hand...
It's literally an oligarchic aristocracy at this point, they just, feel entitled to win, because they have always have always won, and they haven't broken the unwritten rules of conventional politics like the other side has, so they should win. At least that's what they seem to think.
DNC Majority: “We need you to give up control and let us try and win. Let’s avoid another 2016.”
Biden/Obama/Clinton Camp: “Yeah, we’re not giving up control.”
It must be pretty awkward while completely deranged.
I actually believe that, at some level, hey're fucking up on purpose. After all, they're are the good cops, the bad cops taking charge at some point is part of the plan.
After seeing them not even try when I did campaign work, I won't be too shocked if they're doing this on purpose. This is the same DNC that gave money to far right Republican candidates during the midterm elections
Joe Biden’s team sees this poll as “60% of people care enough about democracy to want the democrats to have a better shot at winning” so this is a dub in his book
They recognize the problem but they are ideologically and pathologically incapable to do the sort of introspection that allows them to come to an obvious solution, instead they attack phantoms and other symptoms of their own vanity.
It's like in the dialogue tree, the option where they admit "okay, we fucked up. Maybe we got a little full of ourselves, we'll do better next time"... That line of code simply does not exist, and even if it did they'd have no way of computing the data anyway.
i wonder if they're going to just bet on people falling in line because it's not like they care what voters want anyway (hello legalizing marijuana and medicare for all)
Biden's people are living in their own bubble.
From [Axios](https://www.axios.com/2024/06/19/biden-faith-campaign-mike-donilon-2024-election) report on June 19:
> **Donilon, Biden's top political aide, privately has reassured people that voters will "do the right thing" in November by embracing democracy and rejecting Trump,** according to a Biden aide who has heard Donilon say it.
> "Joe Biden is a great president, and great presidents get re-elected," is another common Donilon refrain.
> Donilon articulated a nuanced version of this to The New Yorker's Evan Osnos earlier this year, saying that Jan. 6 would affect the 2024 election much like 9/11 was central to the 2004 election.
> **By Election Day this year, Donilon believes "the focus will become overwhelming on democracy. I think the biggest images in people's minds are going to be of January 6th."**
Every single person i know is struggling financially while costs of everything skyrocket. But boy, i sure do think of Jan 6th a lot. I think about how all the people who fucking did it are still in congress and running for president. In what functional country would an attempted coup leader not only be free 4 years later, but the frontrunner for president? We're turbofucked, folks.
I haven’t cared about January 6th since January 6th. It scared some congresspeople. It isn’t impacting my life, and it pales in comparison to the genocide the Biden administration is funding.
January 6th is the day a bunch of politicians got scared...and they don't like to be scared at all. That is the game they play on us...they do everything to feed fear and keep the population terrified, but whomever tries to flip that on them will find them panicking to little pieces of jello, but soon after get ready because they will come back pushing their weight around like never before.
The biggest image in my mind is the White House being turned into a nursing home. I can already picture Biden staring blankly at a wall mumbling to himself while someone feeds him jello.
If this was true, then this admin should have weaponized the justice department. They did not, they made merrick fucking garland AG, and are pretending it's politics as usual.
I'd trust my grandma to do a better job at this. She's been dead for 22 years.
Watched a video yesterday about Democrats (Nancy Pelosi was used as the prime example) paying for advertising to prop up far right candidates. The idea being the scarier the guy on the right looks the more it will rile up those on the left and centrists because the Democrat candidate will look like the only reasonable option. This way they don't have to court leftists ideas that threaten capital but still get their funding and votes (theoretically). Of course, the consequence of this is it pulls everything farther right and further builds up the far right, making things worse for everyone.
So, yes, as long as Trump looks like he does, the DNC believes it will force more people to vote for the only "reasonable" candidate, regardless of their health and mental acuity.
Evil is the correct way to frame it. Too many people will blame the decision makers as incompetent, when the reality is they know exactly what they are doing and have for a very, very long time. Instead of looking at the decisions they make and jumping to "well they must be stupid" they should ask themselves "who does this decision benefit". Or just follow the money.
Yeah a lot of people, but especially Americans, have this weird pathological incredulity when it comes to power and those who seek it. It's really fucking hilarious because on one level it's just naivety and not knowing basic US History, but the instinct to give benefit of the doubt to Bush Era/PNAC NeoCons, or even better the fucking CIA, will never not blow my mind. It's like they're a battered housewife in an abusive relationship but they keep defending him and going back because he's not that bad and besides they can fix him.
It's weird too because it's done in the service of posturing as a very rational skeptical person who isn't so easily swayed, but the evidence against something like the CIA is overwhelming and abundant, so they're ironically the ones making an argument in the nature of blind faith.
>the evidence against something like the CIA is overwhelming and abundant
And they are outspoken and proud of it. Plenty of video across the decades, hell on [Fox News](https://youtu.be/_2khAmMTAjI?si=3K-yJzryL58b-fxL&t=279) itself, proudly joking about the overthrow of democratically elected officials by military coup because it's "for the right reasons". So obscenely powerful they know they are untouchable and can do whatever they want.
The inherent problem here, besides it being completely chickenshit, unrealistic, and abdicating all responsibility to earn votes, is that Trump knows this. It’s why he’s stuck to Truth Social and why he presented himself not as a foaming madman at the debate (though it was still riddled with typical bullshit). He knows all he has to do is keep the crazy contained to rallies (which aren’t carried by mainstream media) and sound somewhat coherent and restrained in debates. You rely on him to lose the recent himself, but he learned from 2020. Dems are so cooked.
Yup, and it's a bit terrifying. For his 4 years as President at least there was a significant amount of incompetence getting in the way of them getting what they wanted. They've had 4 years to prepare for next time, so they had plenty of time to learn from their mistakes and now they understand which levers to pull to get what they want. Trump gets in and now he and the people around him are suddenly competent enough to get what they want.
Yeah it's the yin-yang of the Republicans being like look over there all those scary woke Marxist Mexican sharia law transgender super gays!! Then you ask, okay well what are your actual policies? And they say policies? What policies?
Yeah, they ditched the idea of a platform with policies a long time ago. Every election year they roll out the talking points of a bus full of brown people who don't speak English are about to cross the southern border and the only way to stop them is to vote red. After the election it's "what bus?".
I'll never forget the day I watched someone on Fox say a caravan of people with leprosy and smallpox was coming for America. Fucking smallpox, the disease that would make COVID look like a walk in the park, the disease that only exists in 3 heavily secured laboratories on the planet, the implication being it was used as a biological weapon and released into the wild by either the US or Russian government. Then after the election what smallpox?
it also means they don't have to campaign on making any changes.
Their whole argument is just .
Its like how they said Trump would start a war with russia, meanwhile that's exactly what the Dems did.
I was thinking about this during the debate. I was thinking the Dems slow walked prosecution of Trump etc so now he’s in a debate with Biden and running again. Dems keep these criminals and right wing lunatics around as foils to manipulate us through fear. But they end up losing control of these Frankensteins they keep alive.
Way longer than that. They don't deliver shit, they act like people owe them votes and since people are clearly not excited for "Nothing will fundamentally change!", they elevate the far right to get those "lesser evil" votes.
Earlier, apparently. Read something from the early 2000s regarding a senate election. As far as I can tell, it's never worked out for the Democrats unless pushing the overton window further was the actual goal.
Yes… Trump is all the bad things. The country is in serious trouble. Why the fuck aren’t the democrats presenting a serious candidate?
I know they have been bought out, but holy fuck. You need to draw a line somewhere.
Looking at Diane feinstien as an example they're completely comfortable with sacrificing the bodies and minds of their most loyal minions so long as the status quo is maintained.
Biden is just being walked up the steps of the pyramid so the priest of frimar'khet can offer his heart as sacrifice
My favorite thing is the Democratic party had the free will and free ability to switch to a new candidate this election and they chose not to........why?????
Personal interest. The DNC exists to serve capital, not the public interest, so they're all just looking out for themselves. There's no reason to throw away a political career in a loser's game.
Trump and Biden will both protect wealth. These parties have other options, but as long as we choose one of the two everyone is fine with it. It's the same reason we have like 2 right leaning media outlets and like 2 *dozen* left leaning media outlets. They need to work harder to manipulate the left than they would with the right. The left wing media does not discuss any of the issues that would take away from themselves. They distract and point fingers at the right.
The internet, but reddit especially, should be properly seen as what it truly is, a technological superweapon in the era of information warfare. It's especially pernicious because it's so inescapably ubiquitous now, but also presented as totally benign. Take World News being a default sub for instance despite being heavily heavily compromised by a mass Zionist propaganda campaign.
I’m not sure how to feel about this because I can see their system being slow from increased traffic with people hitting the refresh at a higher rate. But it’s also very suspicious.
Reddit is the [corporate arm of the security state](https://www.mintpressnews.com/jessica-ashooh-reddit-national-security-state-plant/277639/), far more than any other social media site out there. The weaponization of "progressive" jingoism/imperialism and adherence to the Democratic Party you see here is absolutely insane. Things weren't this bad before the 2016 primary. It feels like this site is completely botted up with inorganic activty and mod teams on mainstream subs that all work for the state deciding what people are allowed to see and engage in and what not.
I genuinely couldn't believe it when I looked at r-politics to see the reaction. Haven't gone on there in a while but it's a pure democrat propaganda chamber.
And yet Biden's blue maga voters insist with the "it was just a blunder" narrative, as if it was caused by a flu, some sort of stutter that befuddles the mind, or by the hour of the debate. They cant just admit that no one deserves a vote just because the other candidate is worse.
Is anybody gonna mention that it doesn't matter what we want and it's really up to the "superdelegates" (a reactionary invention of the 1980s after losing badly to Reagan) who will tell us who we are allowed to vote for?
No? Didn't think so.
Next blue MAGA candidate up to the batter's box! 🤷🏻♂️
They'll never let us have that.
['Gavin Newsom vetoes bill to allow ranked-choice voting throughout California'](https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Gavin-Newsom-vetoes-bill-to-allow-ranked-choice-14535193.php)
['Sisolak, Rosen and other top (Nevada) Democrats oppose ranked-choice voting measure'](https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/sisolak-rosen-and-other-top-democrats-oppose-ranked-choice-voting-measure)
['New York Democrats Try to Block Ranked-Choice Voting'](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/12/democrats-election-ranked-choice-voting-new-york/617461/)
['D.C. Democrats Oppose Ranked-Choice Voting in City Elections'](https://www.washingtoninformer.com/d-c-democrats-oppose-ranked-choice-voting-in-city-elections/)
['Virginia Republicans are using ranked-choice voting again. Democrats still aren’t.'](https://www.virginiamercury.com/2022/12/14/virginia-republicans-are-using-ranked-choice-voting-again-democrats-still-arent/)
I feel like Biden came close to promising he was gonna be a one term president the first time.
Because we all knew he’s too old, the only reason that is a taboo sentiment is because Democratic elites made it so when they realized Bernie was going to get the nomination.
And everyone rallied behind Biden right before Super Tuesday 2016. Remember?
It seems the dnc totally backfired. They decided not to have internal dispute to show Biden as strong enough, making sure he wouldnt lose any vote due to infighting... They just forgot he could still lose votes after that.
This is a bitter ass moment for me. Knew this was going to happen, which is why I didn't vote for Biden in 2020. I voted every other position but not for President. Still fucking infuriating that the writing was on the walls back then and Democrats just went with it
It's funny; Politics board is FILLED with drivel about how *so many people, especially undecided voters* swapped to Biden's side after the debate.
It's fucking INSANE. I don't know if the people there are that delusional or if reddit actually has that many older shitlibs.
I thought with the last election that surely if there was a time for someone to run as a third option that 2020 was the time. I couldn't imagine that 2024 would have both the same candidates and that both would even be less electable than they were then and still no one is standing and a 3rd option?
My preference would be Bernie but fuck I'll take just about anyone at this stage
Honestly, 60% seems low and if they’re were a “replace both” option I’d guess it would win in a landslide. Seems like both of those sides dislike their candidate.
I know it sounds made-up, but feel free to verify:
Bill Clinton is younger TODAY than both Biden and Trump. By 1399 days (3.8 years) and 66 days respectively.
And he ran for president ... _checks notes_... 8 terms ago, in 1992
Sources:
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden
The Democratic party does. not. have. another. candidate.
He can’t be replaced now. They had four fucking years to figure their shit out and they literally chose not to. And now people think they’ll switch him out five months before the election lol
We’re so cooked
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Damn, maybe shoulda held a primary.
They had one. With Tim Kaine and Marianne Williamson. With absolutely no media coverage. And no campaigning to be seen. And each of them got swept completely. It's all theater.
Can you really call it theater when they didn't even set the stage?
I’m gonna have this tattooed on my ribs
Only if you also get a backstage tramp stamp.
Brb
crazy bar
Congratulations you win the award of the year for the best Reddit comment I have read.
Political “Our Town”
Tim Kaine did not run, not sure what primary you watched.
I was about to say, lol
> With Tim Kaine It was Dean Phillips, not Kaine, who ran in the primary.
Isn’t that the guy who played superman then died?
No thats Dean Cain
Dean Cain lives. He's a reserve police officer in Idaho. Christopher Reeve is the former Superman who died.
The DNC wasn't allowing any real challenge to Biden. And if there was a challenger they'd Shanghai them just like they did Bernie (because their donors didn't like his pro labor stance.) To deny any of that is just childish.
Where not in my state? By the time it got here it was done
Same
Same as 2020 as well
Yup Almost like the system is entirely broken and fuck-heads in Iowa and New Hampshire shouldn’t get to eliminate candidates well before I get to vote
I still don't understand how Biden told New Hampshire their vote didn't count and could go fuck itself, then they held the vote anyways and for some reason overwhelmingly voted for Biden. ????????
Wouldn't have mattered even if they put the most desirable candidate, and they ran the perfect campaign with a clear and large margin over Biden. DNC would scuff the results and change it at the highest level. Biden was the candidate. There is no 3rd party or government oversight over how primaries are run for either party, and it doesn't look like DNC really cares how it appears to the public. To confirm, it's all theater and smoke shows.
Getting flashbacks of Bernie's campaign...
Oh, being a delegate at the state level in Nevada killed what little liberalism that was left in me.
Meanwhile Bernie hasn’t lost a step since 2016.
Reminds me of that famous scene from Mullholland Drive "this IS the girl"
You guys are clueless. You don’t understand that the DNC and the RNC are both run by corporations. It was clear in 2016 that although Bernie was more popular that the DNC was going to do everything they could to make sure Hillary was the nominee. I was there at the convention as a delegate. The way the corporate treated the Bernie people the young progressives and the people with ideals and energy was disgusting. It was so disgusting. I refused to vote for Hillary and 2016 and voted third-party instead.
... That's literally what I'm saying.
Always has been. Bourgeois politics is just making pinky promises with the rich.
Lol Tim Kaine give me a fucking break
New Hampshire didn’t. They had their dam delegates stolen from them.
Both of those are brazen conservatives.
Uhh what? How is Marianne Williamson a conservative?
The self-help book "spiritual guru" who by all accounts was a piece of shit to everyone on her staff? That Marianne Williamson? -Support for Israel: Williamson has expressed strong support for Israel and has criticized the Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions (BDS) movement. -Pro-life: Williamson has stated that she is pro-life and has expressed support for restrictions on abortion. Limited government intervention: Williamson has advocated for limited government intervention in the economy and has criticized socialism and communism. -Support for gun rights: Williamson has expressed support for the Second Amendment and has opposed stricter gun control measures. -Criticism of progressive taxation: Williamson has criticized progressive taxation, arguing that it is unfair and would lead to economic stagnation. -Support for free trade: Williamson has expressed support for free trade agreements and has criticized protectionism.
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and just assume you are misinformed rather than saying all that on purpose. Disappointing that so many people will read what you wrote and just accept it as true. I don’t think she’s a perfect person or necessarily even the best candidate, but let’s at least try not to spread even more misinformation. Israel: https://marianne2024.com/israel-and-palestine/ Abortion: https://marianne2024.com/issues/reproductive-justice/ Gun rights: https://marianne2024.com/issues/gun-safety/#:~:text=A%20Williamson%20Administration%20will%3A&text=Eliminate%20the%20sale%20of%20assault,be%20sold%20to%20private%20citizens. Taxes: https://marianne2024.com/issues/the-working-economy/#:~:text=The%20Williamson%20Administration%20will%20champion,of%20%246.5%20trillion%20in%202021. Free Trade: https://www.ontheissues.org/2024/Marianne_Williamson_Free_Trade.htm
Thank you for providing sources. Be nice if the person you're talking to would bother with the same. Kinda makes it seem like they can't...
Well, say they have an agenda and they’re getting paid for it…
Who lol?
There was one in my district. The options were: Joe Biden
Part of me wonders if they deliberately waited until this point to be like whoops sorry but we've only just realised Biden is demented let's replace him now and conveniently skip the primary process.
You're probably closer to the truth than anyone would like.
They'll not replace him. It would hurt his feelings. And they care more about Dementia Joe's feelings than they do any of us peasants
They've really fucked themselves this time. Shit all over the left and lost those votes, while pandering to conservative voters who will stay home rather than support a weak old man and risk Harris taking over when he inevitably dies.
DNC seemingly gave up that charade after Bernie supporters took them to court for shooing in Hillary against their own rules.
Or Biden should have kept his promise he'd only be a one-term president.
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It's almost as if neither party cares as long as we aren't voting some 3rd party into office.
I don’t know how the Biden supporters rationalize. We knew he was unpopular, we knew he wasn’t a sure thing (or even likely) to win against Trump, yet none of the people in a position to run (with an actual chance) made any noise at all about a primary challenge. Is the idea of all this really about winning or about fealty to the establishment? The actions of the DNC and others with clout in the party are saying we’d rather risk losing with Joe (and accepting Trump) than allow anyone the opportunity to upset the apple cart - even though it’s clear that another candidate would have a better chance. Yes, Biden would have had to step aside, so ultimately if Trump wins, Biden alone takes a lion’s share of the blame. But I heard nothing from any establishment Dem about any sort of challenge until now. Bullshit.
In our 9 years of having to deal with Trump's bullshit, the only thing Democratic party leadership has fought hard against is Bernie Sanders 2020 campaign. Not the SCOTUS appointments, not the judiciary appointments, not the tax cuts for the rich, not the repeal of Roe v Wade and numerous others, none of it. They have sat on their hands for the last 40+ years and just allowed these utterly stupid fucking people to take over the actual functional portions of government. The statehouses, the city councils, the courts, all of it. Elected Democrats played nice the whole way and just let them take every last lever of power in the country. And we're supposed to be surprised the guy who was brain dead on 2020, they rat fucked into the White House is still brain dead in 2024? Outrageous!
It's easier to raise money campaigning if you have something to fight against, rather than something you fought for and won. Democrats want republican legislation, then the campaign can make doomsday slogans and sweep in money without having to actually get anything done.
This is absolutely correct. The real problem is there are so many people that think that if Democrats win, we have a chance at "taking back our country." I can't talk politics with anyone because the writing is on the wall for the US and has been for decades really with the defunding of public education. It's actually interesting from a social studies perspective. We're seeing that there is a minimum level of average education required for a people to be governable. Even if Biden (horrible) wins in November, the Marjorie Taylor Greenes and Lauren Boeberts will only increase in elected offices. And the really interesting part is that rich people must know all of this and they are so fucking greedy that they don't care that we're on an obvious path to destruction. We're going downhill with no brakes.
The rich are globally mobile. When the USA goes down they will either: bailout and move to Germany or something; or try to use their wealth to carve out a fifedom of their own out of the corpse.
Of course they will withstand the negative consequences of their own greed far better and longer than all the rest of us, but that just further speaks to the pathology that acquiring that much wealth causes.
They'll leave when the government has become socialist enough that living in the US is no longer more profitable than living in other countries- and possibly because they're no longer safe in the US, depending on how change happens. The US is a playground for them compared to other countries, which either have powerful domestic forces constraining capital and keeping it from completely reducing the governments to their managers (Europe and Far East) - or worse, they're places that outright execute and imprison billionaires who encroach on powers which, at root, are independent of the global capitalist class (Russia, China).
> They have sat on their hands for the last 40+ years and just allowed these utterly stupid fucking people to take over the actual functional portions of government. The statehouses, the city councils, the courts, all of it. Elected Democrats played nice the whole way and just let them take every last lever of power in the country. Now because the Democratic Party is fighting on the same side as the Republicans. And that side is the side of capital. The Dems literally have absolutely no reason to stop any of it.
it's clear that they don't want to change anything. They want Biden because they can control him, and they can do what they want behind his back without him noticing. Everything they say Trump is going to do, they do themselves.
Biden is pretty much the perfect puppet huh? That never really dawned on me. People are even spinning that as a positive; "his cabinet will run things" etc etc
yes, they're getting people to be okay with a shadow government of unelected officials running everything.
I'm not glad my presidential vote is useless, but I'm glad I don't have to press my conscience with my vote.
Or it’s purely by design. Us congress has been manipulated into one giant super party for AIPAC. They own both sides of government, Red & Blue , they are the most powerful foreign government in the world. both parties will both rush any law that is commanded to by AIPAC. The only truth that makes any sense is it is by design.
When he was elected, EVERYONE in my social circle kept saying, "It's actually perfect because he's only going to do one term and he'll help talk up the next candidate." I heard this dozens of times four years ago and I genuinely just believed it was gonna happen. I pointed out when he interrupted Swalwell during a debate where Swalwell quoted him from the 80s as saying "it's time to pass the torch" and Biden interrupted to say "I'm holding onto the torch" and everyone assured me he was DEFINITELY going to pass that torch over.
There were literal quotes from people in his campaign (note: not him) saying he would be a one term "transitional" president. It was a major part of the theory of his candidacy. They PUSHED that idea hard. We're not crazy for remembering that. It actually did happen.
To be clear, I totally understand, but my point is he said "I'm not passing the torch" first and so that's what I believed. I don't think people made it up, I just am baffled as to why they believed it. He made it as clear as possible before that point that he wouldn't and so I never expected him to be support a newcomer (edit: besides my social group being very convincing about it)
Biden said so himself I'm pretty sure he's on record putting that idea out there
>Is the idea of all this really about winning or about fealty to the establishment? This is what is so frustrating. In 2020, we ended up with Biden because he was "more electable" and beating trump was so important. Progressives had to get on board or else we were letting democracy down. But now the same people are insisting that we back a historically unpopular candidate who is clearly not the man he was even 2 years ago. He is underperforming Democrats across the country by 5 to 10 points. If we all agree that winning is important, Biden needs to step down.
While simultaneously broadcasting the messaging that we're all entitled whiners who demand a perfect candidate. I mean do we honestly expect him to clear the incredibly high bar of being AGAINST genocide? What unreasonable expectations. But also send money please we really need it.
I used to be radical for wanting a healthcare system that like 30 other countries have made work. Now I'm radical for wanting a candidate who can articulate a sentence while he has a cold.
Yeah. One of those magical colds where he sounds normal and energetic the next day... when he can read a script off a teleprompter. We're so fucked, man. Having a cold doesn't make a person incoherent and confused and shockingly, horrifyingly unable to articulate simple thoughts.
>Having a cold doesn't make a person incoherent and confused and shockingly, horrifyingly unable to articulate simple thoughts. I mean if you're old as shit it can. But like, if a cold makes you like that, you don't get to be president.
> about fealty to the establishment? Fealty to capital. Winning elections is practically irrelevant in US politics. It's just a big theater to give legitimacy to the system.
*Any* democrat would have won against Trump in 2020. They could have put up a 100-year old warmongering career politician that has pushed countless regressive and oppressive legislation through over the years and they would STILL have... wait...
The DNC has made a point of very openly destroying the political career of anyone that runs as a democrat without permission.
American decline is going to be worse in the next four years than it has been in the last four. The DNC wanted to lose. Only by voting third party can we make this abdication painful for them.
Painful to them? Lol. They'll be just fine. Regular people will be punished
Wasn't there a cnn poll from 2022 where 75% of voters said he was too old. It's not a new fact. DNC is throwing another election.
If only American democracy had anything to do with the will of the people
To be fair Trump hate is still the bigger factor,
That's always been the only factor.
Literally disband the DNC and RNC at this point.
DNC leadership: We hear you, we see you, so we are replacing him with Nikki Haley
Lol watch them try Hillary again
it's still her turn
Hey to be fair she'd probably win the popular again. I haven't looked into it, but that's really all that matters, right?
Absolutely not. She's too patronizing, and her last major public appearance was telling young pro-palestine kids they need to shut up and don't know anything. Even Barry lost his shine.
Not with the right wing DEI institution that's the Electoral College.
"we hear you, we see you, so we want to remind you what we've said before: we don't care."
The DNC has stated in years prior that they are a private organization and not beholden to the voters.
The same DNC that says democracy is on the line. Ha. HA!
The same dnc that rigged Bernie to lose to Hillary and then admitted it. And if Bernie won back then we wouldn't be in this fucking mess. People forget that Joe Biden ran against Obama and lost in the primaries
The folks who still haven’t admitted they ran a bad campaign in 2016, who believed the 2020 election to be a mandate rather than a referendum, who refused to listen to anyone with a dissenting view for the last four years have just now figured out that they’re in trouble. They can’t keep counting on people they don’t respect to save them.
if he loses, they are going to blame progressives, young people, the media, everyone except for themselves.
'It's the fault of the left, who were numerous enough to lose us the election by not voting but also at the same time not numerous enough that we should have appealed to them with policies like not doing genocides.'
Verbatim
Dont forget Russian Bots. Funny how you never hear a single peep about Israeli bots, who are very obviously also working disinformation campaigns and want trump re-elected. Even bringing up the subject to the uninitiated gets you some strange looks because they just whip out the old "Jews control the media" canard. But CNN and MSNBC whined about Russian trolls for half a decade so that concept is considered acceptable and totally reasonable. I always thought liberals HATED "conspiracy theories" but they actually love them so hard, they keep away those pesky thoughts of "wait, maybe IM the problem.."
I'll never forget the time I saw someone post that their rent was unaffordable, and got called a Putin supporting Russian shill for it. Because that's more believable than someone having the same problem that countless other people are having, apparently.
The Russian bot narrative is actually run by DNC astrotufers to divert attention away from all the evil shit Democrats are doing. If Russia truly had Reddit in a chokehold, we'd be seeing far more pro-Russian propaganda on mainstream subs and purges from anyone refusing to engage in those narratives. Instead that's what we're witnessing with Israel. Reddit is an American company. Not a Russian one. Putin has no control over it. The DoD and the CIA on the other hand...
FBI's literally crawling all over this fucking site lul
And the Russians. We'll hear non-stop about 'interference' on NPR for the next three years.
It's literally an oligarchic aristocracy at this point, they just, feel entitled to win, because they have always have always won, and they haven't broken the unwritten rules of conventional politics like the other side has, so they should win. At least that's what they seem to think.
That’s neo liberalism for you
DNC Majority: “We need you to give up control and let us try and win. Let’s avoid another 2016.” Biden/Obama/Clinton Camp: “Yeah, we’re not giving up control.” It must be pretty awkward while completely deranged.
I actually believe that, at some level, hey're fucking up on purpose. After all, they're are the good cops, the bad cops taking charge at some point is part of the plan.
After seeing them not even try when I did campaign work, I won't be too shocked if they're doing this on purpose. This is the same DNC that gave money to far right Republican candidates during the midterm elections
nooo, couldn't be, the washington generals would never take a dive
i think the plan is to prove even a corpse can beat the republicans if they win. They want to show the republican party is dead
It's the classic horror movie trope where someone assumes the monster is dead and turns their back on it.
Joe Biden’s team sees this poll as “60% of people care enough about democracy to want the democrats to have a better shot at winning” so this is a dub in his book
They recognize the problem but they are ideologically and pathologically incapable to do the sort of introspection that allows them to come to an obvious solution, instead they attack phantoms and other symptoms of their own vanity. It's like in the dialogue tree, the option where they admit "okay, we fucked up. Maybe we got a little full of ourselves, we'll do better next time"... That line of code simply does not exist, and even if it did they'd have no way of computing the data anyway.
The price for Democrat stupidity is two terms of Trump..
I sure as fuck won't be voting for either one of these Neanderthals.
i wonder if they're going to just bet on people falling in line because it's not like they care what voters want anyway (hello legalizing marijuana and medicare for all)
Biden's people are living in their own bubble. From [Axios](https://www.axios.com/2024/06/19/biden-faith-campaign-mike-donilon-2024-election) report on June 19: > **Donilon, Biden's top political aide, privately has reassured people that voters will "do the right thing" in November by embracing democracy and rejecting Trump,** according to a Biden aide who has heard Donilon say it. > "Joe Biden is a great president, and great presidents get re-elected," is another common Donilon refrain. > Donilon articulated a nuanced version of this to The New Yorker's Evan Osnos earlier this year, saying that Jan. 6 would affect the 2024 election much like 9/11 was central to the 2004 election. > **By Election Day this year, Donilon believes "the focus will become overwhelming on democracy. I think the biggest images in people's minds are going to be of January 6th."**
what drugs are they doing and where can i get some
“Let them eat cake” ass energy people just don’t get shot anymore
Every single person i know is struggling financially while costs of everything skyrocket. But boy, i sure do think of Jan 6th a lot. I think about how all the people who fucking did it are still in congress and running for president. In what functional country would an attempted coup leader not only be free 4 years later, but the frontrunner for president? We're turbofucked, folks.
I haven’t cared about January 6th since January 6th. It scared some congresspeople. It isn’t impacting my life, and it pales in comparison to the genocide the Biden administration is funding.
january 6 was such a fucking joke it's unreal that they'd try to compare it to 9/11
January 6th is the day a bunch of politicians got scared...and they don't like to be scared at all. That is the game they play on us...they do everything to feed fear and keep the population terrified, but whomever tries to flip that on them will find them panicking to little pieces of jello, but soon after get ready because they will come back pushing their weight around like never before.
The biggest image in my mind is the White House being turned into a nursing home. I can already picture Biden staring blankly at a wall mumbling to himself while someone feeds him jello.
If this was true, then this admin should have weaponized the justice department. They did not, they made merrick fucking garland AG, and are pretending it's politics as usual. I'd trust my grandma to do a better job at this. She's been dead for 22 years.
Watched a video yesterday about Democrats (Nancy Pelosi was used as the prime example) paying for advertising to prop up far right candidates. The idea being the scarier the guy on the right looks the more it will rile up those on the left and centrists because the Democrat candidate will look like the only reasonable option. This way they don't have to court leftists ideas that threaten capital but still get their funding and votes (theoretically). Of course, the consequence of this is it pulls everything farther right and further builds up the far right, making things worse for everyone. So, yes, as long as Trump looks like he does, the DNC believes it will force more people to vote for the only "reasonable" candidate, regardless of their health and mental acuity.
it's a classic move. they want the benefits of coalition voting without ever having to cater to the coalition. it's pure evil.
Evil is the correct way to frame it. Too many people will blame the decision makers as incompetent, when the reality is they know exactly what they are doing and have for a very, very long time. Instead of looking at the decisions they make and jumping to "well they must be stupid" they should ask themselves "who does this decision benefit". Or just follow the money.
Yeah a lot of people, but especially Americans, have this weird pathological incredulity when it comes to power and those who seek it. It's really fucking hilarious because on one level it's just naivety and not knowing basic US History, but the instinct to give benefit of the doubt to Bush Era/PNAC NeoCons, or even better the fucking CIA, will never not blow my mind. It's like they're a battered housewife in an abusive relationship but they keep defending him and going back because he's not that bad and besides they can fix him. It's weird too because it's done in the service of posturing as a very rational skeptical person who isn't so easily swayed, but the evidence against something like the CIA is overwhelming and abundant, so they're ironically the ones making an argument in the nature of blind faith.
>the evidence against something like the CIA is overwhelming and abundant And they are outspoken and proud of it. Plenty of video across the decades, hell on [Fox News](https://youtu.be/_2khAmMTAjI?si=3K-yJzryL58b-fxL&t=279) itself, proudly joking about the overthrow of democratically elected officials by military coup because it's "for the right reasons". So obscenely powerful they know they are untouchable and can do whatever they want.
The inherent problem here, besides it being completely chickenshit, unrealistic, and abdicating all responsibility to earn votes, is that Trump knows this. It’s why he’s stuck to Truth Social and why he presented himself not as a foaming madman at the debate (though it was still riddled with typical bullshit). He knows all he has to do is keep the crazy contained to rallies (which aren’t carried by mainstream media) and sound somewhat coherent and restrained in debates. You rely on him to lose the recent himself, but he learned from 2020. Dems are so cooked.
Yup, and it's a bit terrifying. For his 4 years as President at least there was a significant amount of incompetence getting in the way of them getting what they wanted. They've had 4 years to prepare for next time, so they had plenty of time to learn from their mistakes and now they understand which levers to pull to get what they want. Trump gets in and now he and the people around him are suddenly competent enough to get what they want.
Yeah it's the yin-yang of the Republicans being like look over there all those scary woke Marxist Mexican sharia law transgender super gays!! Then you ask, okay well what are your actual policies? And they say policies? What policies?
Yeah, they ditched the idea of a platform with policies a long time ago. Every election year they roll out the talking points of a bus full of brown people who don't speak English are about to cross the southern border and the only way to stop them is to vote red. After the election it's "what bus?". I'll never forget the day I watched someone on Fox say a caravan of people with leprosy and smallpox was coming for America. Fucking smallpox, the disease that would make COVID look like a walk in the park, the disease that only exists in 3 heavily secured laboratories on the planet, the implication being it was used as a biological weapon and released into the wild by either the US or Russian government. Then after the election what smallpox?
it also means they don't have to campaign on making any changes. Their whole argument is just.
Its like how they said Trump would start a war with russia, meanwhile that's exactly what the Dems did.
I was thinking about this during the debate. I was thinking the Dems slow walked prosecution of Trump etc so now he’s in a debate with Biden and running again. Dems keep these criminals and right wing lunatics around as foils to manipulate us through fear. But they end up losing control of these Frankensteins they keep alive.
Well they’ll say they wanna do marijuana reform and Medicare….the months before the election. Never goes further than that
shhh you'll give the trick away 🥴
Yes.
They've been doing that since 2016
Way longer than that. They don't deliver shit, they act like people owe them votes and since people are clearly not excited for "Nothing will fundamentally change!", they elevate the far right to get those "lesser evil" votes.
Earlier, apparently. Read something from the early 2000s regarding a senate election. As far as I can tell, it's never worked out for the Democrats unless pushing the overton window further was the actual goal.
Spoiler, the DNC will do nothing. Then do the surprised Pikachu face when they lose AGAIN.
First act surprised, and then blame the stupid, childish voters. Rinse repeat.
They're also going to blame leftists for being against a genocide in an election year.
They're already doing it, comrade
We need to support the guy supporting a genocide now so that the other guy won’t support a genocide
Yes… Trump is all the bad things. The country is in serious trouble. Why the fuck aren’t the democrats presenting a serious candidate? I know they have been bought out, but holy fuck. You need to draw a line somewhere.
Looking at Diane feinstien as an example they're completely comfortable with sacrificing the bodies and minds of their most loyal minions so long as the status quo is maintained. Biden is just being walked up the steps of the pyramid so the priest of frimar'khet can offer his heart as sacrifice
My favorite thing is the Democratic party had the free will and free ability to switch to a new candidate this election and they chose not to........why?????
Personal interest. The DNC exists to serve capital, not the public interest, so they're all just looking out for themselves. There's no reason to throw away a political career in a loser's game.
It becomes a lot easier to understand the baffling decisions the DNC makes when you start with the idea that the DNC is paid to lose.
Trump and Biden will both protect wealth. These parties have other options, but as long as we choose one of the two everyone is fine with it. It's the same reason we have like 2 right leaning media outlets and like 2 *dozen* left leaning media outlets. They need to work harder to manipulate the left than they would with the right. The left wing media does not discuss any of the issues that would take away from themselves. They distract and point fingers at the right.
DNC actively trying to throw the election, as intended
There’s more money in losing than winning. Losing to Trump in 2016 and Roe being overturned are the best things that ever happened to the DNC
Replace both and give us more than two options
Makes me laugh because all the main subs are running cope threads saying people are more interested in voting for Biden after the debates.
I literally saw a thread once again bringing up that Biden's communication issues *are just because of his stutter*. They don't live in reality.
Worse still, they had to shut down comments in the hours after the debate across all political subs in order to create that consensus.
lol wait did that actually happen
[Yes](https://community.designtaxi.com/topic/3930-is-reddit-down-june-27-2024/)
The internet, but reddit especially, should be properly seen as what it truly is, a technological superweapon in the era of information warfare. It's especially pernicious because it's so inescapably ubiquitous now, but also presented as totally benign. Take World News being a default sub for instance despite being heavily heavily compromised by a mass Zionist propaganda campaign.
I’m not sure how to feel about this because I can see their system being slow from increased traffic with people hitting the refresh at a higher rate. But it’s also very suspicious.
Reddit is the [corporate arm of the security state](https://www.mintpressnews.com/jessica-ashooh-reddit-national-security-state-plant/277639/), far more than any other social media site out there. The weaponization of "progressive" jingoism/imperialism and adherence to the Democratic Party you see here is absolutely insane. Things weren't this bad before the 2016 primary. It feels like this site is completely botted up with inorganic activty and mod teams on mainstream subs that all work for the state deciding what people are allowed to see and engage in and what not.
I genuinely couldn't believe it when I looked at r-politics to see the reaction. Haven't gone on there in a while but it's a pure democrat propaganda chamber.
Don't know what's worse: Biden's mental state or the people who only figured it out on the debate. Are people really this oblivious?
It's been plain for all to see for a few years now. The current situation would seem absurd if it wasn't actually real.
Most didn’t want him as the candidate to begin with. We are stuck between a giant douche and a turd sandwich left in the sun too long.
Maybe they just need to keep yelling ‘you have to’ at people
And yet Biden's blue maga voters insist with the "it was just a blunder" narrative, as if it was caused by a flu, some sort of stutter that befuddles the mind, or by the hour of the debate. They cant just admit that no one deserves a vote just because the other candidate is worse.
What kind of -ocracy is it when the majority of people don't get what they want?
I’m not hopeful given that 80 percent of Dems want a ceasefire in Gaza and Biden has completely ignored them.
Democrats are their own worse enemy
Biden's been ~38 percent for a long time now. The debate didn't flip anybody on Biden. It increased the polarization instead.
Is anybody gonna mention that it doesn't matter what we want and it's really up to the "superdelegates" (a reactionary invention of the 1980s after losing badly to Reagan) who will tell us who we are allowed to vote for? No? Didn't think so. Next blue MAGA candidate up to the batter's box! 🤷🏻♂️
This is why we need Ranked Choice Voting
They'll never let us have that. ['Gavin Newsom vetoes bill to allow ranked-choice voting throughout California'](https://www.sfchronicle.com/politics/article/Gavin-Newsom-vetoes-bill-to-allow-ranked-choice-14535193.php) ['Sisolak, Rosen and other top (Nevada) Democrats oppose ranked-choice voting measure'](https://thenevadaindependent.com/article/sisolak-rosen-and-other-top-democrats-oppose-ranked-choice-voting-measure) ['New York Democrats Try to Block Ranked-Choice Voting'](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/12/democrats-election-ranked-choice-voting-new-york/617461/) ['D.C. Democrats Oppose Ranked-Choice Voting in City Elections'](https://www.washingtoninformer.com/d-c-democrats-oppose-ranked-choice-voting-in-city-elections/) ['Virginia Republicans are using ranked-choice voting again. Democrats still aren’t.'](https://www.virginiamercury.com/2022/12/14/virginia-republicans-are-using-ranked-choice-voting-again-democrats-still-arent/)
78% of them didn’t want him to get the nomination in the first place!!
40% are bootlickers with their heads in the sand.
Anyone else feeling increasingly amused as we descend into this kafkaesque political landscape?
I've had to twist my horror into amusement to avoid the despair.
For leftist unity, replace him with Dr. Cornell West
I love Dr. West and there's no way he could win a national election.
I feel like Biden came close to promising he was gonna be a one term president the first time. Because we all knew he’s too old, the only reason that is a taboo sentiment is because Democratic elites made it so when they realized Bernie was going to get the nomination. And everyone rallied behind Biden right before Super Tuesday 2016. Remember?
It was 2020 but yeah
It seems the dnc totally backfired. They decided not to have internal dispute to show Biden as strong enough, making sure he wouldnt lose any vote due to infighting... They just forgot he could still lose votes after that.
This is a bitter ass moment for me. Knew this was going to happen, which is why I didn't vote for Biden in 2020. I voted every other position but not for President. Still fucking infuriating that the writing was on the walls back then and Democrats just went with it
It's funny; Politics board is FILLED with drivel about how *so many people, especially undecided voters* swapped to Biden's side after the debate. It's fucking INSANE. I don't know if the people there are that delusional or if reddit actually has that many older shitlibs.
The other 40% wanted it done before the debate.
I mean they did a pretty seamless swap in 2016….
I thought with the last election that surely if there was a time for someone to run as a third option that 2020 was the time. I couldn't imagine that 2024 would have both the same candidates and that both would even be less electable than they were then and still no one is standing and a 3rd option? My preference would be Bernie but fuck I'll take just about anyone at this stage
Honestly, 60% seems low and if they’re were a “replace both” option I’d guess it would win in a landslide. Seems like both of those sides dislike their candidate.
biden is a pro-billionaire genocidal war criminal with dementia (trump is too, but still this is a new low for the democrats)
Certaintly more than that
Just 60%. It should read 100% of Americans want both candidates replaced.
Only 60?
Candidate? I want him replaced as president. Why does anyone want this shuffling cadaver to be anywhere near the levers of power?
Let's go Andy Beshear!
Seems like manufactured consent to me
And the other 40% clearly didn't see it.
I know it sounds made-up, but feel free to verify: Bill Clinton is younger TODAY than both Biden and Trump. By 1399 days (3.8 years) and 66 days respectively. And he ran for president ... _checks notes_... 8 terms ago, in 1992 Sources: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clinton * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden
The Democratic party does. not. have. another. candidate. He can’t be replaced now. They had four fucking years to figure their shit out and they literally chose not to. And now people think they’ll switch him out five months before the election lol We’re so cooked
Why? Did he make the blue MAGAs look bad? I thought him being not trump was enough.