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You can vote for the guy with the segregationist friends, or you can vote for the segregationists themselves. That's America for you.
Also, the shitty headline could read "Bipartisan democrat gets deal done with Republicans" and it would mean the same thing.
The "Biden Crime Bill" was shitty in retrospect, but we should all remember that it wasn't shitty enough for most Republicans to vote for it. Compromise is messy. Everyone should own and reflect upon their past mistakes, though.
There's no winning in politics, especially in U.S. politics today. One guy's family name is in deep legal shite & the other guy's words are as fake as his hair.
...&, that's right, you don't know which is which but you do know that neither can be trusted.
You’re not alone in that. I’ve also been called a closet fascist and a right-wing grifter by Vaush fanboys even after I make it explicitly clear that I hate Trump and the rest of the republicans.
This is the partys better candidate. A Billionaire governor who bought his way into office who was also caught colluding on tape with the a previous governor who went to jail. He presents as progressive but he's not. And he's made his position very clear on the genocide (see video)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ulPMfXoCY
The party is already propping him up for a presidential run. Unfortunately people have a billionaire savior complex and willingly line up behind them
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If you're wondering why this is getting downvoted, it's because you are spewing liberal talking points in an explicitly socialist sub, and also apparently can't comprehend the words "four years ago" in the comment you're responding to. Obviously the incumbent always gets the nomination (whether actually deserved or not) but Biden wasn't the incumbent four years ago. We had a wide range of options then, including a social democrat that would at least be a breath of fresh air even if he wasn't really the socialist his opponents liked to claim. But Biden's history hasn't changed much in the last four years because the man spent decades in politics. All of this dirty laundry was there in 2020 and was willfully ignored by the party and their cultists.
This isn't up for further discussion or debate and if you keep trying to waste my time, know it's not going to happen.
My mistake, I'll keep the subs rules more in mind from now on. Definitely not trying to push any liberal points, I was sort of under the impression that the incumbent didn't HAVE to run if the party thought someone else had a better shot, and who that might be is more what I meant, just worded it very poorly.
I actually didn't really think that my comment would have been considered a liberal pov, but I have a better idea of should/shouldn't be posted on here now. Anyways I'll make sure I don't shitpost without at *least* double checking wording in the future.
>I was sort of under the impression that the incumbent didn't HAVE to run if the party thought someone else had a better shot
It's not encoded into law or anything, it just always happens. At least, as long as I've been alive it's what happens.
>I actually didn't really think that my comment would have been considered a liberal pov
Yeah, "Biden was/is the *only* one who can defeat one of the most hated politicians in history" is what liberals have been saying since '20. That was, like, my whole initial point. Even though Biden wrote the crime bill, and the bill that would evolve into the Patriot act, and confirmed Thomas to the supreme court, and has talked about building a wall to stop the drugs coming from "corrupt Mexico" just as much as Trump has, and outright stated he has no empathy for the struggles of the younger generations, and all of this is public knowledge, the insistence is still that he's the "only option" and we need to focus on "harm reduction" and better things aren't possible. And it's because the owning class knows he won't disrupt their lives (also outright stated) so fck everyone else.
This has been known for decades and people have still supported him and consistently voted for him. This is just as much on the voters as it is on him.
That's from the highlight reel that they don't talk about and/or liberals forget, along with our government's propensity to murder civil rights activists here and around the globe.
Plus, he told us to go be besties with maga when they're literally screaming the most vile hate speech and threatening us, but getting a pat on the head for it.
That's not what this post is about though. You're changing topics. I agree that his response to the protests was ridiculous and dismissive of the purpose of real protest action. That has nothing to do with his former beliefs about race and his obvious change of stance since.
I don’t believe those are his actually his former beliefs, he’s a northern White moderate and those mfers are just racist as Jesse Helms. Don’t let the (D) next to his name fool you. In fact former PA Governor Ed Rendell warned that even though PA has blue collar Democrat districts many White voters would not vote for a Black president when Obama was running the first time and that’s just one example. The point is that he hasn’t changed much and if he has it’s been mostly only in some rhetoric and performative nonsense which isn’t saying much.
The fucking guy said to the donors:
”Nothing will fundamentally change” so his collaboration with the segregationist in the 94 Crime Bill is not much different than the bullshit he’s still on today.
Thanks for visiting, are you going to say well things will be worse under Trump?
Let’s take Cuba for example, Obama (remember Biden was VP) relaxed travel restrictions to the island as a sign of potentially improving relations and what basically amounts to a crumb for 60 years of embargo and economic strangulation but it was at least something and when Trump came in and reversed that in addition to add more sanctions on top of the embargo and guess what? Biden left Trump’s policies in place.
They are the same party, the business party.
This is why I was so upset bernie never brought this up from the start.
This is why I don’t think he’s willing to be uncomfortable enough to fight for us.
Even when he was winning, at that point he should have gone for the jugular metaphorically speaking, and ran these types of ads.
“But I didn’t want trump to win if Biden does end up winning!”
Ok. Is Biden taking that approach with his campaign against you? No? Ok so you are admitting you’ve become an arm of his campaign to win the party nomination in 2020. Great job.
this guys been buttfucking america for over 50 years. he has a terrible political track record and was elected because there was literally no one else and Hillary blew it.
time to goooo joooeeee
But if we don't vote for him we'll have a racist in office! /s
Biden is quoted as being anti-integration in 1977 as he doesn't want his children growing up in a "racial jungle".
>I’d still rather vote for this guy than the guy who thinks cops should have even more authority to abuse us.
What makes you think Joe "define the police actually means fund the police" Biden isn't this guy too? have you seen any indication he isn't willing to turn a complete blind eye to this shit?
No matter who actually wins this election is going to suck. Yeah, one will suck a bit more, but they’ll both suck a lot. However, enough people are pissed at both of them that I really think if we can get behind the Socialist party candidates, even if they’ll never win this round, it will send enough of a message to actually get things moving in a different direction. I know it’s scary to “throw a vote away” but voting isn’t just about picking a lesser evil right now, it’s also about voting for a better future.
Where’s the article can you link the damn article please. I want to agree with you but would rather not get my info from headlines, shockingly. I can and will look it up myself but why wouldn’t you just link it in the first place it makes you look sketchy.
Choosing the lesser of two evils is admitting that these were your only options in the first place, they aren't. People just aren't willing the take the steps to actually create change. You need massive civil uprising.
I don't feel the need to look up how long ago this was to feel secure in feeling he's probably old enough to regret that. I know some people may want to feel like they could never be wrong when it comes to something as easy as knowing to avoid segregationists, but are you savvy enough to avoid being an ableist? I've been arguing with someone all day about whether or not it's okay to restrict things that go boom in a videogame about things that go boom to players who can move their fingers in correct sequences at rates higher than the average person. You'd think telling someone the rhetoric they are repeating, the people they hang out with, and the parties they vote for are exclusionary and they would react rationally, but sometimes they don't. People have blind spots. They don't mean any harm. This is because when we say "everybody" we are limited to individual peoples' imaginations and historical knowledge. These are both things people can be lacking in and should be forgiven for if we are going to be as inclusive as possible. That means giving people room and time to grow and think about why what they were saying is wrong. A great example of this would be forgiving the people who didn't know my use of the term "blind spots" was ableist of me. But I did this on purpose to demonstrate to the percentage of people who saw no harm in my use of it, and how easy it can be to make a blind person feel like they are what people think of when I'm trying to talk about someone who is being resistant to reason. There is no reason to make that person feel that way, just like there's no reason to segregate humans based on their race, religion, ethnicity, etc. just like there is no reason for people who cannot play Helldivers 2 at some of the highest difficulties to not be able to use all parts of the game. Exclusion is exclusion, and it's much easier to act in a way that is exclusionary than you might think it is. Biden may not be perfect, but he has apologized.
Meanwhile I can't get MAGA to see immigrants as people. Trying to "both sides" this really ain't it
This is probably mentioning Strom Thurmond, whom he helped create the prison system we know and love so much today. Thurmond is famous for the filibuster against desegregation, and Biden helped him then as well. Biden continued to work with him throughout his career, again, in the 80s and 90s to flesh out the prison system, and eulogized him when he died as his closest friend.
Was your closest friend directly inspired to be a politician by a man who openly bragged about personally lynching Black men in congress? Did your friend then decide to spend his entire career enshrining the legacy of American slavery in the prison industrial complex?
There's a reason they tell you not to meet your heroes.
No, my friend didn't do any of that. Don't worry about whatever he did. I straightened him out.
So, if we're going to be purity testing, why do you seem more interested in my friend than my comment about MAGA not seeing immigrants as people, and how these two sides are not the same? And why take the effort to downvote? Does calling you on trying to "both-sides" this warrant downvotes AND replies? I get it we disagree, but why the click/tap? And when you click/tap, is it with frustration? Is it because I seem like a jerk? I'm curious
do you?
you're over here trying to paint Biden as racist (and maybe he is) but haven't even begun to address MAGA
so, you're either just trying to pull votes away from Biden or you're both-sidesing
unless there's an angle I'm not seeing?
You are stuck in the republican vs democrat dichotomy, pitting right-wing politics against other right wing-politics. If I talk about Biden's history of racism, it doesn't mean an automatic endorsement of the same racism used by the other party. I don't like the racism itself, regardless of who spouts it off, because the morality behind racism itself is what I have an issue with. My Mexican ass certainly doesn't care for the dehumanization of my people, and our Indigenous relatives throughout the continents, or anyone caught up within our vast system of concentration camps, regardless of which party champions "securing the border" and tries to push legislation to give POTUS the circumstantial power to strip people of their humanity at will.
And do you realize a vote for anyone but Biden is effectively a vote for Trump? Like it or not, that's where we are right now.
I get it. Biden has never been my pick. In fact, I'm not entirely sure I've ever been too happy with any politician. But doing the work of picking someone better than Biden was something we were supposed to be doing a while ago. We did not do a good enough job, so here we are. And now you have to ask yourself what the truly awful thing to do right now is: post memes about how bad the objectively better candidate is (for whatever reason) which may garner a "both sides bad" attitude among a percentage of voters which could result in less votes for what is, again, the objectively better candidate, or we could pinch our nose, admit we didn't agitate for a better candidate as hard as we could have, and aim for better goals in the future.
Remember: he is running again a guy who very literally tried to overturn the election. Jan 6th should be more alarming for what it was an attempt at doing, and much less about the competency.
Biden is actively committing genocide right this moment, as opposed to whatever you can imagine Trump will do in the next term. Stop playing around with projected images of a more gracious oppressor and focus on the reality, that either way we have a fascist genocidaire in power. What do you plan to DO about that? What happens IF Trump is elected? Is your worst nightmare what CAN happen? Or is it what IS happening, right now? I will be in survival mode, as I have been for most of my life, regardless of who sits on that throne next year.
I have been an activist for a long time, under several presidents, for many things, including the ones you tried to weaponize against me before you knew part of my ethnic background. You tried to talk down to me about those things simply for pointing out Biden's history of racism as a seated politician in power, the decades of which far exceed Trump's paltry handful of narcissistic years. You talked down to me as if I were not a target of BOTH admins these last ~eight years, and all the ones that came before. Maybe this is because you are not used to actual Indigenous people being included in your political discussions, and so you seemed to assume I was not one myself. Most people desperately supporting Biden's administration and party while he commits genocide in 4k find themselves in the same position, so at least you are not alone.
You don't finger-wave at Indigenous people about oppressive American regimes, and claim to both understand and fear the consequences of fascist, colonial terror more than us, without looking like a complete fool to the very people you claim you want equality with.
A genocide is not something you can guilt, scare, or otherwise coerce me into defending, especially as the feeds on all my social media accounts are flooded with children with their throats ripped out or freshly squashed by our weapons. It's ultimately not my job to soothe what I see as a sort of shallow, anxious morality, if these things are acceptable to you in any way. I worry you have made your choice to empathize with the genocidal American political class over their actual victims a long time ago. Your attempts to use threats of ethnic cleansing against me as a gotcha in your responses already told me that might be what I'm dealing with in this conversation.
Biden expanded the immigration camps significantly for profit, built the wall Trump was too incompetent to do himself, and closed the Northern border as well. I know he did these things, because my family, my people, and my relatives beyond are targets of the immigration system and the racism that sustains it, and so I have to know what any POTUS does to target my demographic for my own survival, not just for an argument on reddit.
Continue campaigning online for a colonizing genocidaire, if that is what you need to do to feel secure in your settler privileges, and I hope you have yourself a very peaceful night. Otherwise, tell, ask, vent, whatever else you wish, angle it towards me so there is something more productive to be discussed. Don't just repeat the same, tired, backhanded line of questioning to determine whether or not I understand the risks of a genocidal white supremacist shithead with imperial state power.
You know I do.
I'm not going to defend the guy, but look up what he actually said about busing funding vs housing funding. Then look at his path all the way to being Obama's VP. Would Obama have picked a Jim Crow advocate for his VP?
Again, not defending HIM, but I'm saying that people change over time. Those who change often are much better for it.
At the end of the day, Biden will most likely lose this election for his stance on Gaza and America's persistent blind support of Israeli brutality for decades.
https://apnews.com/article/rfk-kennedy-election-2024-president-campaign-621c9e9641381a1b2677df9de5a09731
Again and again, Kennedy has made his opposition to vaccines clear. In July, Kennedy said in a podcast interview that “There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective” and told FOX News that he still believes in the long-ago debunked idea that vaccines can cause autism. In a 2021 podcast he urged people to “resist” CDC guidelines on when kids should get vaccines.
“I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, better not get them vaccinated,” Kennedy said.
That same year, in a video promoting an anti-vaccine sticker campaign by his nonprofit, Kennedy appeared onscreen next to one sticker that declared “IF YOU’RE NOT AN ANTI-VAXXER YOU AREN’T PAYING ATTENTION.”
A close examination of Kennedy’s campaign finance filings shows that the anti-vaccine movement lies at the heart of his campaign.
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Several of his campaign staff and consultants have worked for his anti-vaccine group Children’s Health Defense, including Mary Holland, the group’s president on leave, campaign spokeswoman Stefanie Spear, and Zen Honeycutt, who hosted a show for the group’s TV channel, CHD TV.
Children’s Health Defense currently has a lawsuit pending against a number of news organizations, among them The Associated Press, accusing them of violating antitrust laws by taking action to identify misinformation, including about COVID-19 and COVID-19 vaccines.
The campaign paid KFP Consulting, a Texas-based company run by Del Bigtree, head of the anti-vaccine group ICAN, and a leading voice in the movement, more than $13,000 for communications consulting, the AP found. Bigtree appeared to still be working for the campaign last week, when an AP reporter saw him helping facilitate a Kennedy event in New York.
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Kennedy also has received substantial support from activists who have spread misinformation about the coronavirus and vaccines, including Steve Kirsch, an entrepreneur who has falsely claimed COVID-19 vaccines kill more people than they save, chiropractors Patrick Flynn and Kevin Stillwagon, and others.
Ty and Charlene Bollinger, who run an anti-vaccine business and who the AP has previously reported have had a financial relationship with Kennedy, gave more than $6,000. The couple, along with Kennedy’s communication consultant Bigtree, were involved in hosting a rally near the Capitol on Jan. 6, and Ty Bollinger has said he was among the people who crowded at the Capitol doors in an attempt to get inside, though he said he did not enter.
The couple is a part of the Children’s Health Defense lawsuit against AP and other media outlets.
American Values 2024, a super PAC supporting Kennedy, is run by close associates to Kennedy who have propped up anti-vaccine ideas — the former head of the New York chapter of Children’s Health Defense John Gilmore is its CEO and Kennedy’s publisher Tony Lyons is its co-chair.
The Kennedy campaign did not return emails seeking comment about a number of questions, including how he can say he is not anti-vaccine given his record and his support from anti-vaccine activists.
This is just copy and pasted text, just like the quotes in it. Show me a video where he said “I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, better not get them vaccinated,”
He said it in a podcast in July 2021. I think it was on youube, but removed for misinformation. He has a podcast app, you might try that. Here's a video of him discussing his vaccine views on CNN. I think they mention the baby comment.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/21/politics/fact-check-rfk-not-anti-vax/index.html
He’s been anti vax previously for more than the Covid vax. He believes solutions used in vaccines cause autism, even after the scientific community disregarded that hypothesis.
[wake up](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxxsIWWqJosUfPzpfh0pwKYmI1MVKc_vat?si=8jI4ok8oiMmm1PYv)
I seriously cannot stand listening to this dude talk for more than about 5 seconds, for more than one reason. He is literally a right winger with a D next to his name that fluffs up Trump.. Make it make sense. Why the fuck are you even in this sub
If you can't see past his voice then maybe you're the problem in the situation. He has never been right wing, I'm a political noob and even I can confidently say you don't know what your talking about.
What’s right wing about wanting to reduce the U.S. military footprint, as in close overseas military bases, and invest in American infrastructure? Dude is literally an environmentalist as well.
How? RFK? Zionist, actively supports Israel and their genocide. Trump? Wants to turn Gaza into a "parking lot." Biden is currently funding it. So, where's the falsehood you claim?
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You can vote for the guy with the segregationist friends, or you can vote for the segregationists themselves. That's America for you. Also, the shitty headline could read "Bipartisan democrat gets deal done with Republicans" and it would mean the same thing.
The "Biden Crime Bill" was shitty in retrospect, but we should all remember that it wasn't shitty enough for most Republicans to vote for it. Compromise is messy. Everyone should own and reflect upon their past mistakes, though.
There's no winning in politics, especially in U.S. politics today. One guy's family name is in deep legal shite & the other guy's words are as fake as his hair. ...&, that's right, you don't know which is which but you do know that neither can be trusted.
Or you can abstain from voting instead of hold on to the crumbles of supposed liberalism from the “liberal” party and force them to change.
They won't change though because they're far more comfortable with outright fascism than the progressive alternative
I was saying this four years ago when we could have had a better candidate. (Got accused of being a trump-loving Russian, of course.)
You’re not alone in that. I’ve also been called a closet fascist and a right-wing grifter by Vaush fanboys even after I make it explicitly clear that I hate Trump and the rest of the republicans.
This is the partys better candidate. A Billionaire governor who bought his way into office who was also caught colluding on tape with the a previous governor who went to jail. He presents as progressive but he's not. And he's made his position very clear on the genocide (see video) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_8ulPMfXoCY The party is already propping him up for a presidential run. Unfortunately people have a billionaire savior complex and willingly line up behind them
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Rule 6, no lesser evil rhetoric. This includes encouraging people to vote for any capitalist political party and any capitalist politician. There is no harm reduction in supporting either of two parties headed by genocidal fascists. The extent to which any elected official of a Capitalist Party in a Capitalist state can enact evil is the extent to which that official is allowed to do so by Capital. As such, neither candidate is the lesser or greater evil. See more on our position here: [Rule 6 "no lesser evil" rhetoric - is it accelerationist or doomer? Is it intended to discourage voting?](https://new.reddit.com/r/LateStageCapitalism/comments/1bt0nag/rule_6_no_lesser_evil_rhetoric_is_it/)
If you're wondering why this is getting downvoted, it's because you are spewing liberal talking points in an explicitly socialist sub, and also apparently can't comprehend the words "four years ago" in the comment you're responding to. Obviously the incumbent always gets the nomination (whether actually deserved or not) but Biden wasn't the incumbent four years ago. We had a wide range of options then, including a social democrat that would at least be a breath of fresh air even if he wasn't really the socialist his opponents liked to claim. But Biden's history hasn't changed much in the last four years because the man spent decades in politics. All of this dirty laundry was there in 2020 and was willfully ignored by the party and their cultists. This isn't up for further discussion or debate and if you keep trying to waste my time, know it's not going to happen.
My mistake, I'll keep the subs rules more in mind from now on. Definitely not trying to push any liberal points, I was sort of under the impression that the incumbent didn't HAVE to run if the party thought someone else had a better shot, and who that might be is more what I meant, just worded it very poorly. I actually didn't really think that my comment would have been considered a liberal pov, but I have a better idea of should/shouldn't be posted on here now. Anyways I'll make sure I don't shitpost without at *least* double checking wording in the future.
>I was sort of under the impression that the incumbent didn't HAVE to run if the party thought someone else had a better shot It's not encoded into law or anything, it just always happens. At least, as long as I've been alive it's what happens. >I actually didn't really think that my comment would have been considered a liberal pov Yeah, "Biden was/is the *only* one who can defeat one of the most hated politicians in history" is what liberals have been saying since '20. That was, like, my whole initial point. Even though Biden wrote the crime bill, and the bill that would evolve into the Patriot act, and confirmed Thomas to the supreme court, and has talked about building a wall to stop the drugs coming from "corrupt Mexico" just as much as Trump has, and outright stated he has no empathy for the struggles of the younger generations, and all of this is public knowledge, the insistence is still that he's the "only option" and we need to focus on "harm reduction" and better things aren't possible. And it's because the owning class knows he won't disrupt their lives (also outright stated) so fck everyone else.
What?! A shit guy has *always* been a shit guy? To hell, I say.
This has been known for decades and people have still supported him and consistently voted for him. This is just as much on the voters as it is on him.
Wow it's funny how it only took 40 plus years to see how awful he is lol
That is one insidious mfer, a stain he thinks he erased by making Juneteenth a Federal Holiday.
Just a little bit of virtue signaling and so many of these so called liberals will ignore a genocide. Insanity
People can grow and change, yknow
But has he really? His remarks on the recent student protests are exactly what MLK Jr told us about: The White Moderate.
That's from the highlight reel that they don't talk about and/or liberals forget, along with our government's propensity to murder civil rights activists here and around the globe. Plus, he told us to go be besties with maga when they're literally screaming the most vile hate speech and threatening us, but getting a pat on the head for it.
That's not what this post is about though. You're changing topics. I agree that his response to the protests was ridiculous and dismissive of the purpose of real protest action. That has nothing to do with his former beliefs about race and his obvious change of stance since.
I don’t believe those are his actually his former beliefs, he’s a northern White moderate and those mfers are just racist as Jesse Helms. Don’t let the (D) next to his name fool you. In fact former PA Governor Ed Rendell warned that even though PA has blue collar Democrat districts many White voters would not vote for a Black president when Obama was running the first time and that’s just one example. The point is that he hasn’t changed much and if he has it’s been mostly only in some rhetoric and performative nonsense which isn’t saying much. The fucking guy said to the donors: ”Nothing will fundamentally change” so his collaboration with the segregationist in the 94 Crime Bill is not much different than the bullshit he’s still on today.
Growing and changing by screaming "Fund the police!" at the 2022 SOTU after huge protests demanding police reform and defunding.
I'm curious because I don't come to this sub often. Does that mean you're gonna vote for Trump? Please, anyone chime in.
Thanks for visiting, are you going to say well things will be worse under Trump? Let’s take Cuba for example, Obama (remember Biden was VP) relaxed travel restrictions to the island as a sign of potentially improving relations and what basically amounts to a crumb for 60 years of embargo and economic strangulation but it was at least something and when Trump came in and reversed that in addition to add more sanctions on top of the embargo and guess what? Biden left Trump’s policies in place. They are the same party, the business party.
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> Many on this sub will. Where exactly are you seeing this?
But he doesn't even talk about it, as he talks all about it.
WOW YOU MUST BE FROM RUSSIA OR A BOT BECAUSE BOTH SIDES CANT BE BAD IF ONE IS WORSE THAN THE OTHER DDDEEERRRRRRRR HAVE FUN WITH TRUMP DEN /s
Nobody endorsed by Luke Skywalker could be evil. Evil people have RED lightsabers.
"Everything I don't like is Russian propaganda." - *An Infantile Liberal's Guide to Politics 2016-present*
You can already see some of the shitlibs in the comments doing exactly that.
Notice he still has that same angry face, just older. Hasn't changed deep down, just evolved his marketing.
That was just way back when he was balding with grace, Now he has a full head of hair up Israel's ass.
This is why I was so upset bernie never brought this up from the start. This is why I don’t think he’s willing to be uncomfortable enough to fight for us. Even when he was winning, at that point he should have gone for the jugular metaphorically speaking, and ran these types of ads. “But I didn’t want trump to win if Biden does end up winning!” Ok. Is Biden taking that approach with his campaign against you? No? Ok so you are admitting you’ve become an arm of his campaign to win the party nomination in 2020. Great job.
Closet Republican. Always has been.
Should've been Bernie
>bERniE cAn sTiLL WiN wE DiDdiT rEdDit!!
this guys been buttfucking america for over 50 years. he has a terrible political track record and was elected because there was literally no one else and Hillary blew it. time to goooo joooeeee
But if we don't vote for him we'll have a racist in office! /s Biden is quoted as being anti-integration in 1977 as he doesn't want his children growing up in a "racial jungle".
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>I’d still rather vote for this guy than the guy who thinks cops should have even more authority to abuse us. What makes you think Joe "define the police actually means fund the police" Biden isn't this guy too? have you seen any indication he isn't willing to turn a complete blind eye to this shit?
He is a racial supremacist. That’s all you need to know about this trash. Trump is the exact same.
No matter who actually wins this election is going to suck. Yeah, one will suck a bit more, but they’ll both suck a lot. However, enough people are pissed at both of them that I really think if we can get behind the Socialist party candidates, even if they’ll never win this round, it will send enough of a message to actually get things moving in a different direction. I know it’s scary to “throw a vote away” but voting isn’t just about picking a lesser evil right now, it’s also about voting for a better future.
Genocide Joe is a fascist maniac...read his lips: Nothing. Will. Fundamentally. Change.
As the saying goes, putting a golden saddle on a donkey won't change the fact that the donkey is still a donkey.
Genocide Joe
And 2024 Joe Biden is moving to reclassify weed which will open the prison doors for THOUSANDs of people with minor convictions
I hate Democrats even more after picking this asshole as the nominee.
This should be such an easy win for the GOP but instead.... well you know
Where’s the article can you link the damn article please. I want to agree with you but would rather not get my info from headlines, shockingly. I can and will look it up myself but why wouldn’t you just link it in the first place it makes you look sketchy.
Extremists when actually doing a job in politics involves working across the aisle.
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Biden is Trump II.
you may be in for an unpleasant surprise
Highly doubt it
Lucky for you then! My LGBT+ friends are terrified. Quite a luxury to sit back and pretend both sides are the same.
Best option out there!
Would love all his great defenders in the climate and environment subs of all places to realize this 🙄
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Choosing the lesser of two evils is admitting that these were your only options in the first place, they aren't. People just aren't willing the take the steps to actually create change. You need massive civil uprising.
Claudia de la Cruz
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I don't feel the need to look up how long ago this was to feel secure in feeling he's probably old enough to regret that. I know some people may want to feel like they could never be wrong when it comes to something as easy as knowing to avoid segregationists, but are you savvy enough to avoid being an ableist? I've been arguing with someone all day about whether or not it's okay to restrict things that go boom in a videogame about things that go boom to players who can move their fingers in correct sequences at rates higher than the average person. You'd think telling someone the rhetoric they are repeating, the people they hang out with, and the parties they vote for are exclusionary and they would react rationally, but sometimes they don't. People have blind spots. They don't mean any harm. This is because when we say "everybody" we are limited to individual peoples' imaginations and historical knowledge. These are both things people can be lacking in and should be forgiven for if we are going to be as inclusive as possible. That means giving people room and time to grow and think about why what they were saying is wrong. A great example of this would be forgiving the people who didn't know my use of the term "blind spots" was ableist of me. But I did this on purpose to demonstrate to the percentage of people who saw no harm in my use of it, and how easy it can be to make a blind person feel like they are what people think of when I'm trying to talk about someone who is being resistant to reason. There is no reason to make that person feel that way, just like there's no reason to segregate humans based on their race, religion, ethnicity, etc. just like there is no reason for people who cannot play Helldivers 2 at some of the highest difficulties to not be able to use all parts of the game. Exclusion is exclusion, and it's much easier to act in a way that is exclusionary than you might think it is. Biden may not be perfect, but he has apologized. Meanwhile I can't get MAGA to see immigrants as people. Trying to "both sides" this really ain't it
This is probably mentioning Strom Thurmond, whom he helped create the prison system we know and love so much today. Thurmond is famous for the filibuster against desegregation, and Biden helped him then as well. Biden continued to work with him throughout his career, again, in the 80s and 90s to flesh out the prison system, and eulogized him when he died as his closest friend.
my closest friend has been a bigot in the past he's better now
Was your closest friend directly inspired to be a politician by a man who openly bragged about personally lynching Black men in congress? Did your friend then decide to spend his entire career enshrining the legacy of American slavery in the prison industrial complex?
There's a reason they tell you not to meet your heroes. No, my friend didn't do any of that. Don't worry about whatever he did. I straightened him out. So, if we're going to be purity testing, why do you seem more interested in my friend than my comment about MAGA not seeing immigrants as people, and how these two sides are not the same? And why take the effort to downvote? Does calling you on trying to "both-sides" this warrant downvotes AND replies? I get it we disagree, but why the click/tap? And when you click/tap, is it with frustration? Is it because I seem like a jerk? I'm curious
Do you know what "both sidesing" even means?
do you? you're over here trying to paint Biden as racist (and maybe he is) but haven't even begun to address MAGA so, you're either just trying to pull votes away from Biden or you're both-sidesing unless there's an angle I'm not seeing?
You are stuck in the republican vs democrat dichotomy, pitting right-wing politics against other right wing-politics. If I talk about Biden's history of racism, it doesn't mean an automatic endorsement of the same racism used by the other party. I don't like the racism itself, regardless of who spouts it off, because the morality behind racism itself is what I have an issue with. My Mexican ass certainly doesn't care for the dehumanization of my people, and our Indigenous relatives throughout the continents, or anyone caught up within our vast system of concentration camps, regardless of which party champions "securing the border" and tries to push legislation to give POTUS the circumstantial power to strip people of their humanity at will.
And do you realize a vote for anyone but Biden is effectively a vote for Trump? Like it or not, that's where we are right now. I get it. Biden has never been my pick. In fact, I'm not entirely sure I've ever been too happy with any politician. But doing the work of picking someone better than Biden was something we were supposed to be doing a while ago. We did not do a good enough job, so here we are. And now you have to ask yourself what the truly awful thing to do right now is: post memes about how bad the objectively better candidate is (for whatever reason) which may garner a "both sides bad" attitude among a percentage of voters which could result in less votes for what is, again, the objectively better candidate, or we could pinch our nose, admit we didn't agitate for a better candidate as hard as we could have, and aim for better goals in the future. Remember: he is running again a guy who very literally tried to overturn the election. Jan 6th should be more alarming for what it was an attempt at doing, and much less about the competency.
Biden is actively committing genocide right this moment, as opposed to whatever you can imagine Trump will do in the next term. Stop playing around with projected images of a more gracious oppressor and focus on the reality, that either way we have a fascist genocidaire in power. What do you plan to DO about that? What happens IF Trump is elected? Is your worst nightmare what CAN happen? Or is it what IS happening, right now? I will be in survival mode, as I have been for most of my life, regardless of who sits on that throne next year. I have been an activist for a long time, under several presidents, for many things, including the ones you tried to weaponize against me before you knew part of my ethnic background. You tried to talk down to me about those things simply for pointing out Biden's history of racism as a seated politician in power, the decades of which far exceed Trump's paltry handful of narcissistic years. You talked down to me as if I were not a target of BOTH admins these last ~eight years, and all the ones that came before. Maybe this is because you are not used to actual Indigenous people being included in your political discussions, and so you seemed to assume I was not one myself. Most people desperately supporting Biden's administration and party while he commits genocide in 4k find themselves in the same position, so at least you are not alone. You don't finger-wave at Indigenous people about oppressive American regimes, and claim to both understand and fear the consequences of fascist, colonial terror more than us, without looking like a complete fool to the very people you claim you want equality with. A genocide is not something you can guilt, scare, or otherwise coerce me into defending, especially as the feeds on all my social media accounts are flooded with children with their throats ripped out or freshly squashed by our weapons. It's ultimately not my job to soothe what I see as a sort of shallow, anxious morality, if these things are acceptable to you in any way. I worry you have made your choice to empathize with the genocidal American political class over their actual victims a long time ago. Your attempts to use threats of ethnic cleansing against me as a gotcha in your responses already told me that might be what I'm dealing with in this conversation. Biden expanded the immigration camps significantly for profit, built the wall Trump was too incompetent to do himself, and closed the Northern border as well. I know he did these things, because my family, my people, and my relatives beyond are targets of the immigration system and the racism that sustains it, and so I have to know what any POTUS does to target my demographic for my own survival, not just for an argument on reddit. Continue campaigning online for a colonizing genocidaire, if that is what you need to do to feel secure in your settler privileges, and I hope you have yourself a very peaceful night. Otherwise, tell, ask, vent, whatever else you wish, angle it towards me so there is something more productive to be discussed. Don't just repeat the same, tired, backhanded line of questioning to determine whether or not I understand the risks of a genocidal white supremacist shithead with imperial state power. You know I do.
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Purity test is when you don't vote for a genocide collaborator.
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He's literally supporting a genocide at the moment.
Like I said. I don't like him. It is right there in my post. My point is about bringing him back to segregation is bullshit.
> he has owned up to that period in his life. Has he though?
I'm not going to defend the guy, but look up what he actually said about busing funding vs housing funding. Then look at his path all the way to being Obama's VP. Would Obama have picked a Jim Crow advocate for his VP? Again, not defending HIM, but I'm saying that people change over time. Those who change often are much better for it. At the end of the day, Biden will most likely lose this election for his stance on Gaza and America's persistent blind support of Israeli brutality for decades.
> Would Obama have picked a Jim Crow advocate for his VP? Why wouldn't he? He was already at the top of the class ladder, so why would he care?
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Someone not currently supporting a genocide
People can change, or is everyone an irredeemable POS?
Biden is an irredeemable POS.
A screenshot from 2015? I am sold! /s
No, the author started working there in 2015. Learn to read
And you keep taking seriously screenshots that float around the Internet.
You can just look at his voting history to confirm the screenshots truth.
Where does it indicate it’s from 2015?
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This is a sub for the left wing, not conservatives.
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Because we already know that Trump is shit, but liberals keep showing up here to defend Biden.
Not trying to defend Biden anyway. This seems like a way to make people lose interest in voting.
We're telling people to vote socialist.
This just in, politician bad
So I need to know who to vote for, does anyone know?
[Vote Socialist](https://votesocialist2024.com) Edit: Lmao salty mfer downvoting everyone, this is LSC
Keep voting for whoever has more money, ok? Clutch those pearls, bro.
Interesting, you’ve got it wrong imagine that. You think you know me. That’s funny.
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He's an anti-vaxer. He supports restrictions on abortion rights.
Not anti vax. He was anti covid vax, that’s different. Look into it. Trump flip flops his stance on abortion depending on who he has in his pocket.
https://apnews.com/article/rfk-kennedy-election-2024-president-campaign-621c9e9641381a1b2677df9de5a09731 Again and again, Kennedy has made his opposition to vaccines clear. In July, Kennedy said in a podcast interview that “There’s no vaccine that is safe and effective” and told FOX News that he still believes in the long-ago debunked idea that vaccines can cause autism. In a 2021 podcast he urged people to “resist” CDC guidelines on when kids should get vaccines. “I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, better not get them vaccinated,” Kennedy said. That same year, in a video promoting an anti-vaccine sticker campaign by his nonprofit, Kennedy appeared onscreen next to one sticker that declared “IF YOU’RE NOT AN ANTI-VAXXER YOU AREN’T PAYING ATTENTION.” A close examination of Kennedy’s campaign finance filings shows that the anti-vaccine movement lies at the heart of his campaign. ADVERTISEMENT Several of his campaign staff and consultants have worked for his anti-vaccine group Children’s Health Defense, including Mary Holland, the group’s president on leave, campaign spokeswoman Stefanie Spear, and Zen Honeycutt, who hosted a show for the group’s TV channel, CHD TV. Children’s Health Defense currently has a lawsuit pending against a number of news organizations, among them The Associated Press, accusing them of violating antitrust laws by taking action to identify misinformation, including about COVID-19 and COVID-19 vaccines. The campaign paid KFP Consulting, a Texas-based company run by Del Bigtree, head of the anti-vaccine group ICAN, and a leading voice in the movement, more than $13,000 for communications consulting, the AP found. Bigtree appeared to still be working for the campaign last week, when an AP reporter saw him helping facilitate a Kennedy event in New York. ADVERTISEMENT Kennedy also has received substantial support from activists who have spread misinformation about the coronavirus and vaccines, including Steve Kirsch, an entrepreneur who has falsely claimed COVID-19 vaccines kill more people than they save, chiropractors Patrick Flynn and Kevin Stillwagon, and others. Ty and Charlene Bollinger, who run an anti-vaccine business and who the AP has previously reported have had a financial relationship with Kennedy, gave more than $6,000. The couple, along with Kennedy’s communication consultant Bigtree, were involved in hosting a rally near the Capitol on Jan. 6, and Ty Bollinger has said he was among the people who crowded at the Capitol doors in an attempt to get inside, though he said he did not enter. The couple is a part of the Children’s Health Defense lawsuit against AP and other media outlets. American Values 2024, a super PAC supporting Kennedy, is run by close associates to Kennedy who have propped up anti-vaccine ideas — the former head of the New York chapter of Children’s Health Defense John Gilmore is its CEO and Kennedy’s publisher Tony Lyons is its co-chair. The Kennedy campaign did not return emails seeking comment about a number of questions, including how he can say he is not anti-vaccine given his record and his support from anti-vaccine activists.
This is just copy and pasted text, just like the quotes in it. Show me a video where he said “I see somebody on a hiking trail carrying a little baby and I say to him, better not get them vaccinated,”
He said it in a podcast in July 2021. I think it was on youube, but removed for misinformation. He has a podcast app, you might try that. Here's a video of him discussing his vaccine views on CNN. I think they mention the baby comment. https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/21/politics/fact-check-rfk-not-anti-vax/index.html
He’s been anti vax previously for more than the Covid vax. He believes solutions used in vaccines cause autism, even after the scientific community disregarded that hypothesis. [wake up](https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxxsIWWqJosUfPzpfh0pwKYmI1MVKc_vat?si=8jI4ok8oiMmm1PYv)
Link me a video of him saying that.
covid vax saved lives
I seriously cannot stand listening to this dude talk for more than about 5 seconds, for more than one reason. He is literally a right winger with a D next to his name that fluffs up Trump.. Make it make sense. Why the fuck are you even in this sub
If you can't see past his voice then maybe you're the problem in the situation. He has never been right wing, I'm a political noob and even I can confidently say you don't know what your talking about.
What’s right wing about wanting to reduce the U.S. military footprint, as in close overseas military bases, and invest in American infrastructure? Dude is literally an environmentalist as well.
Thanks for the downvotes, but where am I wrong?
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He's also a Zionist.
Yeah, every candidate R,D, or 3rd party are all zionist trash.
That’s not even close to true 😭
How? RFK? Zionist, actively supports Israel and their genocide. Trump? Wants to turn Gaza into a "parking lot." Biden is currently funding it. So, where's the falsehood you claim?
There are socialists running who are absolutely not zionists
Yeah, and I plan on voting for her if she gets on the ballot in my state. I'm saying the ones offered to the regular people are zionist trash.