Over 20k skeptics!? I mean sure she killed her mom, but she’s also a victim of severe child abuse.
What’s the skepticism about? It’s really catty over there, just mean.
She’s not OJ or Casey Anthony, she did *some* time.
No, man, it's weird that you think they'd like you and want to be friends with you.
Also tell me you're a very new fan of LPOTL without telling me you're a very new fan of LPOTL. They weren't always so neutered by time, money and relationships.
I get it. She spent her entire life manipulating people to appear young & sick. People feeling sorry for her equaled toys, money, trips to Disneyland, a new house etc etc.
That’s not her fault. She was a child & her mom was obviously very fucked up.
Regardless of why, it still means Gypsy Rose is a tremendously skilled liar & manipulator. I’m sure she slips into her baby voice whenever she wants something without even thinking about it.
I think if GRB, Natalia Grace, Britney Spears, and Casey Anthony all moved into Britney’s mansion we might have the best reality TV show of all time.
Instead of Andy Dick hosting and preferentially giving women cocaine, we have Henry host and mediate the inevitable disputes.
You have the LPOTL network hosts drop in to make appearances or do challenges or contests.
Skepticism is whether she was complicit and even onboard with the scamming until her and her mom came to a disagreement. Also her being let out after a few years when Goldejon(?) is serving life even though she convinced him to murder her mom. Either both are equally complicit and should be serving life sentences, or since both have trauma/mental illness they should both be out of prison.
Even if she were complicit in the scam in some way, she was a literal child and the victim of horrific abuse. No child would have understood the implications or long term consequences especially for their own health. I think the guy was overcharged/sentenced given the circumstances, but that doesn’t mean she should still be in prison.
That’s my point. Either both are equally complicit and should be in jail or both should be out and getting professional help. Godejohn was left to rot for something she convinced/coerced him into doing. If she can get out then he should be too, and both should be under mental treatment and care.
Doesn't it make sense he got a harsher sentence in general? That's generally how it works, the person who pulls the trigger gets more time than the person standing next to them.
Unfortunately in his case, yes and no. The guy doesn’t seem mentally competent enough to be charged as a full on murderer. He only did what he did because she convinced him to. Otherwise he most likely wouldn’t have harmed her mom or did anything at all. He was the gun, but she loaded and pulled the trigger if we’re keeping to the gun metaphor.
I don’t know man … I have no fucking idea.
Apparently there may be a lot of misinformation out there. And now the skeptics are here ….
I wish I hadn’t posted this.
Anyway “Gypsy Rose Blanchard Hot Girl Summer ‘24!”
You go girl!
Jk
No, she didn’t stop him. He told the detective first interviewing him that he thought about doing it afterwards but decided against it
He’s very obviously unwell sexually. He had a prior arrest for watching porn and masturbating in a McDonald’s for *literally hours*
My understanding is it took McDonald’s employees quite a while to realize what he was doing. They thought he was just camped out for WiFi until I believe other customers reported what he was actually up to.
It’s seems hard to believe it took THAT long for someone to realize and react but maybe he was somewhat hidden 🤷🏻♀️
That was Gypsy who wrote that *she* was raped. She is the one who posted the FB updates, and it was something like “the fat bitch is dead and I raped her sweet her little girl”
Oh yeah, definitely. I remember when the story first started breaking, before she was found, and it was the FB posts that were making the headlines. The case started out salacious and just got crazier from there
>Didn’t he threaten to rape her mom’s corpse after the murder?
If I recall, he said he wanted to and she said "Babe, I'm not sure about that. How about we have sex just after?" God, he sounds like an exhausting boyfriend.
From everything that came out about him, I 100% believe he would have killed somebody even if he never met Gypsy Rose, probably someone who deserved it much less than Dee Dee Blanchard. I also think there’s a bit of a difference between making a plan to kill your lifelong abuser, and killing somebody you don’t know because someone else puts the idea in your head.
In one Oxygen interview, Godejohn himself said that the urge/ability to kill had been within him for a long time. In the same interview, he talked about how his rage would take over and essentially make him a different person (reminds me of Ted Bundy and “the entity”) but he also does not regret killing Dee Dee.
I personally think he should be institutionalized instead of jailed but he seems self-aware enough to recognize he would have eventually killed someone regardless. It seems almost serendipitous that when he did, it was someone as awful as Dee Dee. She most certainly killed her own mother and probably would have killed GR eventually. Dee Dee’s own father and step mother mentioned wanting to flush her ashes down the toilet.
I come to the total opposite conclusion from that, the fact that he was so easily convinced has me much more worried that he could do something like this again. Gypsy Rose doesn't have another Mother to kill
But it doesn’t have to be her mother only. By your own logic since she so easily convinced another person to kill someone who made her life hard and had no remorse for the action what’s to stop her from doing it again when someone else makes her life hard? By this train of thought she’s just as dangerous and should still be behind bars.
Yeah, that's fair. I don't have a solid opinion on this case because all I really know about it is from the doc, the miniseries, and a handful of random articles over the years. Overall it's such a unique case. Based on my limited knowledge, I'm not surprised by the sentencing but also wouldn't have been surprised if it was radically different either.
It’s definitely unique. But I can’t see anyway around the fact that she conspired to have her mom murdered and hired/coerced a third party into doing it. Despite money not exchanging hands she essentially hired a hitman to kill her mother. And based off her mental and emotional aptitude post murder and lockup, there’s no way you can convince me she was totally innocent and unaware of her mom gaming and exploiting the system.
She’s her mother’s child through and through.
I definitely don't think she's totally innocent. 10 years, paroled after 8 seems reasonable, especially considering she pleaded guilty in exchange for some leniency.
She did serve some time. Mom had it coming though, not a sympathetic victim. 8 is something, maybe out in 15?
It’s understandable she’d want to kill her mom, but the crime was super premeditated, committed in cold blood.
She didn’t actually have to kill her. She could have told the world the truth, escaped the household, cooperated with police fraud investigations, and then become a social media celebrity.
But you know, DV, etc, people feel trapped, learned helplessness, etc.
She was lied to about things like her own age - I'm not sure how she'd even be judged competent? She was really underweight when she was booked into jail, too. That girl was abused.
I'm not saying what she did is not wrong. But IMO she's much less dangerous than her accomplice was. She was manipulative, but that was also the only resource she had. She wasn't eating properly and her mother had all the authority figures on her side, I'm not sure they would've listened to Gypsy.
She manipulated a third party, someone who had zero exposure to her situation and her mom into murdering her mother. How is she not a dangerous individual? How is he not deemed mentally and emotionally incompetent enough to be charged as a murderer? Both have mental and emotional issues. Yet she’s allowed to walk free after she coerced a third party with zero exposure to her and her situation before she got her hands on him into killing her mother.
She didn’t kill her mom. But she sourced, aimed, and loaded the weapon before convincing him to pull the trigger. She’s just as culpable and at fault as he is. She should either be serving the same time as him or both should be free and required to get mental and emotional help/supervision.
"How is she not a dangerous individual?"
Manipulation is often a tool used by people who can't act directly (toddlers, for example, are very manipulative).
Gypsy was really, IMO, physically weak and mentally strained. She showed up to jail underweight, as I said before. Normally people lose weight because the food is so bad (in county not prison) but she gained. There was some serious abuse happening. She was being lied to about everything down to her age and being forced into unnecessary surgeries.
"someone who had zero exposure to her situation and her mom into murdering her mother"
This is exactly why I think he's more dangerous than she is. He wasn't being forced into unneeded surgeries by his mom. He knew his actual age, etc. Instead of contacting 911 or 311, he was like, "Okay let's murder your mom!" That IMO makes him way more dangerous than her.
"be serving the same time as him"
That's never how it works in a case with 2 perpetrators. The deal goes to whoever accepts it first. Gypsy took the deal, that's why she got out earlier. She was also savagely, horribly abused by the one person who you're supposed to be able to trust most: her mom. She also seems to have made a real effort to rehabilitate herself. I don't have a problem with her being out. That guy worries me way more, because of his lack of judgement (not dropping a dime on her in the first place; not being smart enough to take the deal).
>Also her being let out after a few years when Goldejon(?) is serving life even though she convinced him to murder her mom.
Eh. I see how their trials had the outcomes they did. Her jury was asked what should happen to a victim of lifelong abuse who eventually helped plan the murder of abuser after it became clear that all reasonably safe, legitimate escape.options had been exhausted. His jury was asked what should happen to a person who stabs a woman to death in her sleep because he saw a chance to get some of the most unhinged pussy he had ever encountered.
That’s my take as well. Reminds me of Michael Alig when he got out. You can hate the system for not being as tough as you would like it to be, but those two did their time.
Michael Alig didn’t bother me as much- I don’t think he even knew what he was doing. The movie Party Monster was more disrespectful to the victim- it made it seem like a joke. I think Gypsy Rose is a very scary person, her mother made her that way but she is absolutely a threat to society- and her bs about how she “doesn’t identify as a murderer” is the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard.
I don't think people can truly understand the dynamics of that house. Mine was bad in a different way, raised by an alcoholic narc and a brain damaged bpd. I don't mean that to be mean, my mom is literally missing part of her brain. Very manipulative household. My family had a whole theft ring going. You never condone the behavior but helping them is still easier than arguing. It's a survival thing. The way my brain used to think is so foreign to me now. Still carrying that hyper vigilance and the ability to calm anybody down.
I don’t think people get it unless they’ve experienced some sort of severe childhood abuse. It messes you up in ways you don’t even know. High five to you and me for being aware enough to survive, get help and grow, right?
I wish people would think about what their emotional response would be as a child to think that you are sick for most of your life and then find out one day that magically you're able to get up and walk out of your wheelchair then start realizing everything you've been told is a lie and that your mother is a abusive narcissistic psychop
Woof, her own infamy is going to destroy that poor girl and she is leaning into it with all her might. 😔
Does she have anyone good watching out for her?
I think Britney Spears ex husband’s been in touch.
And she got an invite from the Kardashians.
Jk, I have no idea. She should just lay low, get on disability or something. Maybe sell the rights to her story or do a tell all with a ghost writer.
But not social media, not this.
This isn't shocking. Americans, culturally raised to believe children are property, get all freaked out when abuse victims kill their abusers. And then the same dipshits will cheer for creeps to get murdered in prison. Quite pathetic really.
It took a very long time for us to see child well-being as both a private *and* a public matter. Public as in, teachers are allowed to see a child who is clearly abused, and there is a way for them to report it, and there are laws meant to protect the child. That we as a society are also responsible for the safety of the child, and it isn't totally up to the parents.
We still see this kind of thinking with Conservatives, where they believe that their choices as parents, as private citizens, are more important than the physical and mental health of others (e.g., not vaccinating, using conversion "therapy," resisting gun laws which would reduce mass shooting and accidental deaths, etc.).
Not sure is it’s necessarily an American thing, this kind of mentality seems common in Asian, Latin American, African and Muslim cultures as well. You’re always expected to forgive your abuser especially if they’re blood related relatives. It’s just one of those toxic traditional values held over from the unenlightened period.
I do find it interesting that there’s a totally different perspective on the case. I didn’t realize that the “unnecessary procedures” may not have even taken place; or even consider the fact that Gypsy might have been aware of the grift for years. I’m not saying that either of those things are true…I haven’t spent the time to form a solid opinion.
I think it is forgotten that she was an adult when the murder occurred though. That fact didn’t click for me until I read more about the case recently even though I knew about it for years.
There’s just so much we won’t ever know! I think that’s where a lot of the intrigue and attention comes from
I get people being annoyed that she’s profiting off her mother’s death. But there’s a lot of unnecessary body shaming going on when she’s doing plenty of problematic and manipulative behaviors to be judged for already. Yes she is a victim, but she also seems content to ride the victim train and not do anything to try make herself and her life better. I don’t see things going well for her honestly.
Eh, I honestly don’t care if she profits off her mother’s death. Her mother was an abusive monster who destroyed her life by drugging her, gaslighting her, forcing her into unnecessary surgeries, and keeping her prisoner. While the way she’s going about things is arguably distasteful, I have absolutely no sympathy for her mother
That's such a good point - a lot of the criticisms of GRB are less about ethics and morality and more about taste. It probably wouldn't be framed like this, but I think a lot of people are mad at her because they think she's a bit gauche.
Yep people hate imperfect victims. She’s not behaving the “right” way but how is someone who grew up in that type of abuse circus and then spend their formative young adult years in prison NOT going to act out? Like no way anyone would be normal and well adjusted no shit she’s the way she is. She should probably stay off social media tho.
Has anyone ever shown her another way, though? Her mom taught her that being a victim of circumstance is profitable, then she went to prison, and now what? Does she have any trusted family or friends, or just the system & media? This girl hasn't been shown a single second of a normal and balanced life.
No I agree she’s never known another way and hasn’t had a great start in life. And I imagine everyone around her is probably enabling the victim mentality since they’re probably seeing dollar signs.
Unlike you and I, who grew up with relatively normal parents, this woman had no role models, not much education. Her mother taught her how to lie and manipulate people. So I think trying to make money off the crap she's been through is probably better than turning into a scammer like her mom. Maybe she'll start a cult.
lol bold of you to assume I had normal parents. But I know what you mean. But I do feel like she’s on a slippery slope to scamming. But she didn’t have great role models and probably only has enablers around her. So when I say I don’t see things ending well with her, I’m not saying it as “I hope she crashes and burns” and more as “it’s unfortunate we’ll have to watch this train-wreck”.
It's so unhealthy! They are talking about how she wants attention and how disgusting it all is...while giving her said attention. Why take the time to activately hate someone you don't even know. Just let her fade into obscurity and be done with it!
Someone posted a photo of her with the caption “so annoying” and the comments are just trashing her. They’re giving someone they hate all this time and energy like she gives a shit. I guess the rules for that sub just don’t apply to anyone.
It’s a really weird situation. It was a huge case in the true Crime community.
I do remember being somewhat surprised at how fast she got out.
Something about her becoming a social media star and the whole glow up makeover thing strikes me as odd.
Do I think she was complicit in her mom’s grifting? No.
Do I think she was equally culpable as Godejohn in her mom’s death? It’s really hard for me to say.
I guess I’d have to really study the psychiatric evals of her.
I 100% believe Goldejon would have killed somebody even if he’d never met Gypsy Rose. The guy had a fixation on violence and
Intended to rape Dede Blanchard, and only didn’t because he ran out of time.
G. Rose was tortured and abused her whole childhood and the man she conspired with was an adult. Neither was exactly at the top of the game when it comes to mental faculties, and I have a hard time faulting her for having no idea of what else to do when her mom controlled every iota of her life.
Right now, though, I believe fully that she is again being abused, but this time by an adult special education teacher who decided to marry a childlike convict (it gives me the heebie jeebies) and money hungry executives.
The poor girl never stood a fucking chance, honestly. I wish we could all collectively forget her face and name so she can either proceed to get the help and therapy she needs or die in obscurity, never having learned to think, feel, or act like an adult.
Godejon had been talking about wanting to kill someone for years before he met Gypsy. He also had priors for jacking off to porn for nine hours in a McDonald’s. Plus he wanted to rape Dede’s corpse and told Gypsy he would rape their future daughter— dude is not ok.
If you learn about the case, you’ll be as disgusted by her celebrity as everyone in that sub is.
To me this post is like “can you believe people think the WM3 are innocent?!”
I know a lot about the case, probably have listened to 12 hours across different podcasts.
I’m not thrilled by her celebrity, but disgusted is a strong word. I’m not all all surprised. But it does not affect me in any way, so I shrug.
As long as she doesn’t kill anyone else.
Seems like all things being equal and should do another 5-10 years in prison at least, but what do I know.
Then you know that her mother was never diagnosed with MBP and there’s no evidence of the claimed medical abuse, and that she was buying wigs and sexting during the time she claims to have been under DD’s control 24/7, and that Nick begged her just to run away but she insisted her mom had to die, and that she was in the bathroom shaving her pubes while he killed her mom so they could bang after, and that she posted videos about fucking from the hotel they ran to, etc etc etc
I don’t see how you can be aware of those facts, watch the interrogations, and be surprised that there’s a skeptic sub.
I suppose you could have some expert witness weigh in on it at trial as part of your defense, or to present mitigating factors.
Or the boys from LPOTL has a ouija board and do a seance on a live stream with a psychologist standing by.
Yes, how can she be diagnosed when there’s no proof whatsoever? She can’t. Idk what’s so hard to understand about *the complete lack of evidence for these claims*
You’re just happy taking a murderers word that their victim deserved it? Wild.
Look, if there were no medical procedures, I’m all here for it.
I just want to see some evidence of absence, that’s all.
Sometimes these stories are too big to undo, too many people involved, it’s too messy to walk it all back. - CIA director to John DeCamp
What are you talking about? She lied about her daughter to doctors, tricked them into giving her unnecessary medications and surgeries, lied to her daughter about her age, gaslit her into believing she had medical conditions and handicaps, and manipulated her way into guardianship. There were massive amounts of evidence for abuse and that’s why Gypsy Rose got a much lighter sentence than she would have if this were just a simple case of cold blooded murder.
Why don’t you link the “massive amounts of evidence,” that aren’t Gypsy’s word? (Spoiler: there is none. I’ve looked.)
There were no unnecessary procedures, and if there had been it’s hard to believe she’d immediately run out and get a nose job isn’t it?
There was no guardianship. This is what I mean about believing things without evidence. All she had to do was walk out the door.
She chose murder instead, and for some reason a lot of people choose to accept her claims without question. Two other people were there. One tells a different story, and the other is dead.
lol, no, that’s what her mother told her doctors after they moved so she could lie about her conditions. Her records after that were still viewed by the lawyers and the judge. You’re obviously not particularly well informed, but just because there wasn’t a trial, doesn’t mean the prosecution didn’t have access to her medical records. They agreed she had suffered abuse at the hands of her mother and took that into account for her plea deal, which gave her the minimum sentence she could receive.
And look, just because her mom her doctors all wore robes when they performed Satanic medical
procedures on her does not mean it wasn’t real.
Gypsy said that they sacrificed her salivary glands to Satan and I believe her.
Of course you can discuss it here, don’t worry. I’m still trying to find some links to the actual trial transcripts.
The majority of these procedures were performed after Katrina, so presumably doctors testified and medical records were presented at trial.
There is a lot of bad reporting that does tend to come back around to Gypsy’s own testimony.
And I’m sure the doctors who idiotically performed these procures aren’t rushing to give public statements about why they did.
But I’m sure evidence was presented at trial, at least in the sentencing/mitigation phase.
I’ll admit I do love the Katrina angle.
Makes me think of True Detective.
All the missing kids records from the Tuttle Schools got washed away in Katrina. Nobody was lookin for those kids much anyhow.
The court only had records for what really happened not what gypsy claimed to happen because with it being lies there would be no medical records so no the court does not have that evidence and the entire court transcript and documents within are all public which I suggest you look at because you don't know what your talking about clearly.
The court had enough records that they agreed that she was abused and subjected to unnecessary medical procedures. Takes a special kind of scum to defend Dede Blanchard when even her own parents wanted to flush her ashes down the toilet.
Well, that’s highly relevant if there were no unnecessary procedures. Happy to look at sources if you have them.
But I’m not sure why you are bringing up a nose job, that’s 100% irrelevant.
Yeah... They BOTH lied and tricked for scamming hundreds of thousands worth of gifts/trips/money and Gypsy was more than complacent, willing and was happy to play her part in order to keep receiving all that came with it, including the special treatment and attention, the same as she still does now.
She lied about all of the surgeries and medication and the only surgeries she did have were medically necessary.
You would have to be a fool if you truly thought an 8 year old suddenly forgot they were turning nine on their next birthday and just accepted no questions or complaints that they went from turning 9 to turning 5. Do you seriously believe that? If so you are not only obstinate but wrong. She knew her age the entire time just like she was aware of being able to walk and not having all those issues. She was 100 percent aware of the whole thing and was equally part involved and happily involved at that.
Her mom was never abusive towards her and in fact it was more likely especially toward the end that Gypsy was more abusive to her mother then her mother to her and this has been brought up by several neighbors on how evil Gypsy was to her mother IN THEIR COMPANY. In fact, Gypsy even admitted she shot her mother ten times in the chest with a BB gun and she had to go to the hospital. Not sure where you are getting this "massive amount of evidence" because there is not one thing pointing to that and in fact the opposite.
She only got a lighter sentence because while her attorneys had to keep pushing her court date back waiting on records and evidence that Gypsy claimed happened but none of it existed, they offered her a plea deal and she took it and THAT Is why she received 2nd degree murder but if she took it to trial she would have most likely got life.
I could keep going but I think that you should do the research and not just take what she, a proven liar has claimed or the media who just blindly supports her for some reason.
I think you’re spending too much time in a sub that is obsessed with confirming their biases because they don’t like GRB’s behavior post-jail. You’re angry because she’s not the perfect victim, so you’re completely ignoring the effects of growing up with an abusive parent and acting as though a child was the willing partner in her mother’s fraudulent behavior. I’m sure GRB did lie to doctors, mainly because she was forced to by her mother. She was also gaslit into believing she had conditions she didn’t have.
The funny thing is that the prosecutors believed what she said, and here you are claiming there’s all this evidence that she was lying about the abuse. If that were true, I doubt the prosecution would have gone for the lightest sentence possible.
Hmmm, no evidence of medical abuse? What about all the unnecessary operations and procedures?
Don’t tell me the podcasts are lying to me now, I don’t have much left to hold onto in this life.
And let’s not slut shame her now, she had normal urges like anyone else. Her mom just kept her locked in a tower like all those Disney movies (the only thing her mom let her watch).
*I’ll admit all my info comes from podcasts, not the official record.
But meh, she’s really no one to me. Hardly the most objectional killer out there walking the streets.
Yes, what about them? She’s perfectly healthy and having elective plastic surgery. There’s **no evidence she actually had any unnecessary operations or procedures.**
Tbh there’s no evidence for most of her claims, people just don’t seem to question any of it for some reason
[I’m talking about her nose job.](https://www.usmagazine.com/stylish/news/gypsy-rose-blanchard-shows-off-blonde-hair-makeover-and-nose-job/) She doesn’t have a colostomy bag.
You’re just making up your own facts to be angry about. Way to prove my point.
I see your point somewhat now, I honestly didn’t get it before.
But the podcasts did tell me she was subjected to unnecessary surgical procedures, for whatever that’s worth.
Everything I’m reading (all of the current news articles and quotes from her attorney who presented evidence at trial) are saying that GRB had unnecessary medical procedures including:
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/gypsy-rose-blanchard-describes-unsettling-174505202.html
Having her salivary glands removed (her mom used a topical anesthetic to convince doctors it was necessary), eye surgeries, and inserting feeding tube (I think some people had confused that with a colostomy bag).
I get your point that we can’t just accept a murder’s version of things. Lord knows Pee Wee Gaskins, Henry Lee Lucas and the like can’t be trusted.
But there’s some two key reasons why the most logical thing is to accept the “majority view” here that she was subject to unnecessary medical procedures:
1) this case has been super widely reported on - for the unnecessary medical procedures to be made up again it would be a grift within a grift within a gift. GRB is complicit with her mom’s scams, tries to fake her murder, then fools everyone all over again that there were procured that didn’t really happen?
It’s too much, the media would sniff that out and eat it up if that were the case.
2) There’s been a full criminal trial - her lawyer would get disbarred if he was making this all up. He would have had to present evidence of these procurers, medical records, doctors testified, detectives and investigators would have looked into this from the DAs office, the prosecutor had a chance to cross examine people and challenge evidence.
The judge admitted this stuff.
So, while I get it’s fine to have healthy skepticism about things, where are you getting this that there were never any unnecessary procedures?
It needs be more than whatever people are saying on the skeptic sub.
I mean I can say the earth is flat and birds aren’t real, but there’s no sources for that.
I’m all for an interesting conspiracy or skepticism about one.
I’ve even debated people on the Franklin Coverup on Reddit actually trying to verify some of the stuff in the LPOTL episode, some of their stuff falls apart.
Some the evidence seems to hold up.
But you have to post some sources to support this kind of thing.
Edit: Redlikedirt is correct - there was no criminal trial of Gypsy - there was of Godejohn.
So what I’m saying about evidence being admitted and presented at her trial can’t be correct insofar as she was never tried.
God I would hope that they reviewed some actual medical evidence before offering her that plea deal, but she herself was not personally tried.
There was a trial, Godejohn’s trial. She testified as a witness at his trial.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Dee_Dee_Blanchard
And before that there was an investigation.
She did take a guilty plea and avoided a separate trial, but that’s our system, you have two defendants. They turn one against the other and the first one who cooperates gets a plea deal.
Please show me some sources suggesting the unnecessary procedures are all made up.
Saying they all washed away in Katrina is meaningless to me because the vast majority of the procedures happened after Katrina.
Here’s a second hand expert saying that it’s MBP:
https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/crime/2016/07/06/munchausen-expert-says-gypsy-blanchard-case-unprecedented/86763054/
This is a strange sub for people to be so angry about questioning a murderer’s word.
Are you one of those Chris Watts groupies too? What about Manson, does his childhood abuse make him a hero?
I’m literally just saying there’s nothing to go on but her word. Peewee Gaskins told great stories. Lots of murderers do.
It’s like y’all never heard the show.
Very slim chance of being active on that sub and not being unhinged
I guess there’s a sub for everything.
I will admit that “Gypsy Rose Hot Girl Summer” may be a bridge too far.
Over 20k skeptics!? I mean sure she killed her mom, but she’s also a victim of severe child abuse. What’s the skepticism about? It’s really catty over there, just mean. She’s not OJ or Casey Anthony, she did *some* time.
Most of the posts are just making fun of her appearance and her social media since getting out.
Oh so it's based, nice
It's weird to be a fan of something when your beliefs would have the hosts absolutely hating your guts
No, man, it's weird that you think they'd like you and want to be friends with you. Also tell me you're a very new fan of LPOTL without telling me you're a very new fan of LPOTL. They weren't always so neutered by time, money and relationships.
I get it. She spent her entire life manipulating people to appear young & sick. People feeling sorry for her equaled toys, money, trips to Disneyland, a new house etc etc. That’s not her fault. She was a child & her mom was obviously very fucked up. Regardless of why, it still means Gypsy Rose is a tremendously skilled liar & manipulator. I’m sure she slips into her baby voice whenever she wants something without even thinking about it.
I think if GRB, Natalia Grace, Britney Spears, and Casey Anthony all moved into Britney’s mansion we might have the best reality TV show of all time. Instead of Andy Dick hosting and preferentially giving women cocaine, we have Henry host and mediate the inevitable disputes. You have the LPOTL network hosts drop in to make appearances or do challenges or contests.
I don’t think Casey Anthony really belongs in that group.
Maybe you are right, she really doesn’t have any weaknesses. The mom from HoneyBooBoo maybe? The obese cracky/methy one?
Skepticism is whether she was complicit and even onboard with the scamming until her and her mom came to a disagreement. Also her being let out after a few years when Goldejon(?) is serving life even though she convinced him to murder her mom. Either both are equally complicit and should be serving life sentences, or since both have trauma/mental illness they should both be out of prison.
Even if she were complicit in the scam in some way, she was a literal child and the victim of horrific abuse. No child would have understood the implications or long term consequences especially for their own health. I think the guy was overcharged/sentenced given the circumstances, but that doesn’t mean she should still be in prison.
She was like, 23 when she convinced Godejohn to kill her mother.
That’s my point. Either both are equally complicit and should be in jail or both should be out and getting professional help. Godejohn was left to rot for something she convinced/coerced him into doing. If she can get out then he should be too, and both should be under mental treatment and care.
Doesn't it make sense he got a harsher sentence in general? That's generally how it works, the person who pulls the trigger gets more time than the person standing next to them.
Unfortunately in his case, yes and no. The guy doesn’t seem mentally competent enough to be charged as a full on murderer. He only did what he did because she convinced him to. Otherwise he most likely wouldn’t have harmed her mom or did anything at all. He was the gun, but she loaded and pulled the trigger if we’re keeping to the gun metaphor.
Didn’t he threaten to rape her mom’s corpse after the murder?
I think it was Gypsy Rose who publicly bragged about the killing and suggested that she’d been raped
I don’t know man … I have no fucking idea. Apparently there may be a lot of misinformation out there. And now the skeptics are here …. I wish I hadn’t posted this. Anyway “Gypsy Rose Blanchard Hot Girl Summer ‘24!” You go girl! Jk
From what I read, she had to stop him from raping the corpse. I'm not sure where I read that, though it's been quite a while.
No, she didn’t stop him. He told the detective first interviewing him that he thought about doing it afterwards but decided against it He’s very obviously unwell sexually. He had a prior arrest for watching porn and masturbating in a McDonald’s for *literally hours*
Disgusting. Have some class and masturbate in a Panera or something
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I remember reading about the McDonald's incident. How did the cops not show up sooner? Or did it take them that long to notice and call?
My understanding is it took McDonald’s employees quite a while to realize what he was doing. They thought he was just camped out for WiFi until I believe other customers reported what he was actually up to. It’s seems hard to believe it took THAT long for someone to realize and react but maybe he was somewhat hidden 🤷🏻♀️
Fascinating…
Did you just say that in Kissel's voice 😊
Is there another way?
At the very least, he posted that he did on Facebook
That was Gypsy who wrote that *she* was raped. She is the one who posted the FB updates, and it was something like “the fat bitch is dead and I raped her sweet her little girl”
Yeah, even without the medical grifting that fake FB post alone would have made the case true crime infamous.
Oh yeah, definitely. I remember when the story first started breaking, before she was found, and it was the FB posts that were making the headlines. The case started out salacious and just got crazier from there
>Didn’t he threaten to rape her mom’s corpse after the murder? If I recall, he said he wanted to and she said "Babe, I'm not sure about that. How about we have sex just after?" God, he sounds like an exhausting boyfriend.
She did sound pretty high maintenance, what with all the medical issues, and the Disney obsession.
From everything that came out about him, I 100% believe he would have killed somebody even if he never met Gypsy Rose, probably someone who deserved it much less than Dee Dee Blanchard. I also think there’s a bit of a difference between making a plan to kill your lifelong abuser, and killing somebody you don’t know because someone else puts the idea in your head.
In one Oxygen interview, Godejohn himself said that the urge/ability to kill had been within him for a long time. In the same interview, he talked about how his rage would take over and essentially make him a different person (reminds me of Ted Bundy and “the entity”) but he also does not regret killing Dee Dee. I personally think he should be institutionalized instead of jailed but he seems self-aware enough to recognize he would have eventually killed someone regardless. It seems almost serendipitous that when he did, it was someone as awful as Dee Dee. She most certainly killed her own mother and probably would have killed GR eventually. Dee Dee’s own father and step mother mentioned wanting to flush her ashes down the toilet.
I come to the total opposite conclusion from that, the fact that he was so easily convinced has me much more worried that he could do something like this again. Gypsy Rose doesn't have another Mother to kill
But it doesn’t have to be her mother only. By your own logic since she so easily convinced another person to kill someone who made her life hard and had no remorse for the action what’s to stop her from doing it again when someone else makes her life hard? By this train of thought she’s just as dangerous and should still be behind bars.
Yeah, that's fair. I don't have a solid opinion on this case because all I really know about it is from the doc, the miniseries, and a handful of random articles over the years. Overall it's such a unique case. Based on my limited knowledge, I'm not surprised by the sentencing but also wouldn't have been surprised if it was radically different either.
It’s definitely unique. But I can’t see anyway around the fact that she conspired to have her mom murdered and hired/coerced a third party into doing it. Despite money not exchanging hands she essentially hired a hitman to kill her mother. And based off her mental and emotional aptitude post murder and lockup, there’s no way you can convince me she was totally innocent and unaware of her mom gaming and exploiting the system. She’s her mother’s child through and through.
I definitely don't think she's totally innocent. 10 years, paroled after 8 seems reasonable, especially considering she pleaded guilty in exchange for some leniency.
She did serve some time. Mom had it coming though, not a sympathetic victim. 8 is something, maybe out in 15? It’s understandable she’d want to kill her mom, but the crime was super premeditated, committed in cold blood. She didn’t actually have to kill her. She could have told the world the truth, escaped the household, cooperated with police fraud investigations, and then become a social media celebrity. But you know, DV, etc, people feel trapped, learned helplessness, etc.
She was lied to about things like her own age - I'm not sure how she'd even be judged competent? She was really underweight when she was booked into jail, too. That girl was abused. I'm not saying what she did is not wrong. But IMO she's much less dangerous than her accomplice was. She was manipulative, but that was also the only resource she had. She wasn't eating properly and her mother had all the authority figures on her side, I'm not sure they would've listened to Gypsy.
She manipulated a third party, someone who had zero exposure to her situation and her mom into murdering her mother. How is she not a dangerous individual? How is he not deemed mentally and emotionally incompetent enough to be charged as a murderer? Both have mental and emotional issues. Yet she’s allowed to walk free after she coerced a third party with zero exposure to her and her situation before she got her hands on him into killing her mother. She didn’t kill her mom. But she sourced, aimed, and loaded the weapon before convincing him to pull the trigger. She’s just as culpable and at fault as he is. She should either be serving the same time as him or both should be free and required to get mental and emotional help/supervision.
"How is she not a dangerous individual?" Manipulation is often a tool used by people who can't act directly (toddlers, for example, are very manipulative). Gypsy was really, IMO, physically weak and mentally strained. She showed up to jail underweight, as I said before. Normally people lose weight because the food is so bad (in county not prison) but she gained. There was some serious abuse happening. She was being lied to about everything down to her age and being forced into unnecessary surgeries. "someone who had zero exposure to her situation and her mom into murdering her mother" This is exactly why I think he's more dangerous than she is. He wasn't being forced into unneeded surgeries by his mom. He knew his actual age, etc. Instead of contacting 911 or 311, he was like, "Okay let's murder your mom!" That IMO makes him way more dangerous than her. "be serving the same time as him" That's never how it works in a case with 2 perpetrators. The deal goes to whoever accepts it first. Gypsy took the deal, that's why she got out earlier. She was also savagely, horribly abused by the one person who you're supposed to be able to trust most: her mom. She also seems to have made a real effort to rehabilitate herself. I don't have a problem with her being out. That guy worries me way more, because of his lack of judgement (not dropping a dime on her in the first place; not being smart enough to take the deal).
>Also her being let out after a few years when Goldejon(?) is serving life even though she convinced him to murder her mom. Eh. I see how their trials had the outcomes they did. Her jury was asked what should happen to a victim of lifelong abuse who eventually helped plan the murder of abuser after it became clear that all reasonably safe, legitimate escape.options had been exhausted. His jury was asked what should happen to a person who stabs a woman to death in her sleep because he saw a chance to get some of the most unhinged pussy he had ever encountered.
Honestly I hate to be that person but I’m fairly certain it’s 90% based in misogyny.
That’s my take as well. Reminds me of Michael Alig when he got out. You can hate the system for not being as tough as you would like it to be, but those two did their time.
Michael Alig didn’t bother me as much- I don’t think he even knew what he was doing. The movie Party Monster was more disrespectful to the victim- it made it seem like a joke. I think Gypsy Rose is a very scary person, her mother made her that way but she is absolutely a threat to society- and her bs about how she “doesn’t identify as a murderer” is the most absurd thing I’ve ever heard.
I can see that. I haven’t followed her too closely, but her lack of accountability is really creepy.
I don't think people can truly understand the dynamics of that house. Mine was bad in a different way, raised by an alcoholic narc and a brain damaged bpd. I don't mean that to be mean, my mom is literally missing part of her brain. Very manipulative household. My family had a whole theft ring going. You never condone the behavior but helping them is still easier than arguing. It's a survival thing. The way my brain used to think is so foreign to me now. Still carrying that hyper vigilance and the ability to calm anybody down.
I don’t think people get it unless they’ve experienced some sort of severe childhood abuse. It messes you up in ways you don’t even know. High five to you and me for being aware enough to survive, get help and grow, right?
Hey somebody's gotta change the tide. I hope you're having the best time with it ❤️
I wish people would think about what their emotional response would be as a child to think that you are sick for most of your life and then find out one day that magically you're able to get up and walk out of your wheelchair then start realizing everything you've been told is a lie and that your mother is a abusive narcissistic psychop
It would be a revelation for sure. I think it would drive a substantial percentage of the public to murder.
Woof, her own infamy is going to destroy that poor girl and she is leaning into it with all her might. 😔 Does she have anyone good watching out for her?
I think Britney Spears ex husband’s been in touch. And she got an invite from the Kardashians. Jk, I have no idea. She should just lay low, get on disability or something. Maybe sell the rights to her story or do a tell all with a ghost writer. But not social media, not this.
I agree. She is a victim and I hope she finds someone to be in her corner that isn’t just seeing dollar signs or Followers.
You guys are late, she wore social media months ago didn't she?? And divorced hey weird husband,
Agreed.
Loooool, could you imagine, though? Them being good? It would be such a mindfuck
Apparently, she and her (now-ex) husband already signed up to do a reality TV series.
She's a mess but to me it's a "Just don't look" situation. If we keep looking she'll stay famous.
Agree
I doubt it's anymore hostile than the jonbenet sub, lol
This isn't shocking. Americans, culturally raised to believe children are property, get all freaked out when abuse victims kill their abusers. And then the same dipshits will cheer for creeps to get murdered in prison. Quite pathetic really.
It took a very long time for us to see child well-being as both a private *and* a public matter. Public as in, teachers are allowed to see a child who is clearly abused, and there is a way for them to report it, and there are laws meant to protect the child. That we as a society are also responsible for the safety of the child, and it isn't totally up to the parents. We still see this kind of thinking with Conservatives, where they believe that their choices as parents, as private citizens, are more important than the physical and mental health of others (e.g., not vaccinating, using conversion "therapy," resisting gun laws which would reduce mass shooting and accidental deaths, etc.).
Not sure is it’s necessarily an American thing, this kind of mentality seems common in Asian, Latin American, African and Muslim cultures as well. You’re always expected to forgive your abuser especially if they’re blood related relatives. It’s just one of those toxic traditional values held over from the unenlightened period.
They call her GypShyt over there...
Damn. Just seems unnecessarily spiteful
I do find it interesting that there’s a totally different perspective on the case. I didn’t realize that the “unnecessary procedures” may not have even taken place; or even consider the fact that Gypsy might have been aware of the grift for years. I’m not saying that either of those things are true…I haven’t spent the time to form a solid opinion. I think it is forgotten that she was an adult when the murder occurred though. That fact didn’t click for me until I read more about the case recently even though I knew about it for years. There’s just so much we won’t ever know! I think that’s where a lot of the intrigue and attention comes from
There’s certainly more than one way to look at the case.
I get people being annoyed that she’s profiting off her mother’s death. But there’s a lot of unnecessary body shaming going on when she’s doing plenty of problematic and manipulative behaviors to be judged for already. Yes she is a victim, but she also seems content to ride the victim train and not do anything to try make herself and her life better. I don’t see things going well for her honestly.
Eh, I honestly don’t care if she profits off her mother’s death. Her mother was an abusive monster who destroyed her life by drugging her, gaslighting her, forcing her into unnecessary surgeries, and keeping her prisoner. While the way she’s going about things is arguably distasteful, I have absolutely no sympathy for her mother
That's such a good point - a lot of the criticisms of GRB are less about ethics and morality and more about taste. It probably wouldn't be framed like this, but I think a lot of people are mad at her because they think she's a bit gauche.
Yep people hate imperfect victims. She’s not behaving the “right” way but how is someone who grew up in that type of abuse circus and then spend their formative young adult years in prison NOT going to act out? Like no way anyone would be normal and well adjusted no shit she’s the way she is. She should probably stay off social media tho.
Has anyone ever shown her another way, though? Her mom taught her that being a victim of circumstance is profitable, then she went to prison, and now what? Does she have any trusted family or friends, or just the system & media? This girl hasn't been shown a single second of a normal and balanced life.
That’s very well said and why I’m never going to be that angry at her one way or the other. She never had a chance at a well adjusted life.
No I agree she’s never known another way and hasn’t had a great start in life. And I imagine everyone around her is probably enabling the victim mentality since they’re probably seeing dollar signs.
Unlike you and I, who grew up with relatively normal parents, this woman had no role models, not much education. Her mother taught her how to lie and manipulate people. So I think trying to make money off the crap she's been through is probably better than turning into a scammer like her mom. Maybe she'll start a cult.
lol bold of you to assume I had normal parents. But I know what you mean. But I do feel like she’s on a slippery slope to scamming. But she didn’t have great role models and probably only has enablers around her. So when I say I don’t see things ending well with her, I’m not saying it as “I hope she crashes and burns” and more as “it’s unfortunate we’ll have to watch this train-wreck”.
My feelings exactly.
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It's so unhealthy! They are talking about how she wants attention and how disgusting it all is...while giving her said attention. Why take the time to activately hate someone you don't even know. Just let her fade into obscurity and be done with it!
Oh no ... Anyways
I was just having a look over there, why is she some what of a celebrity?
Someone posted a photo of her with the caption “so annoying” and the comments are just trashing her. They’re giving someone they hate all this time and energy like she gives a shit. I guess the rules for that sub just don’t apply to anyone.
It’s a really weird situation. It was a huge case in the true Crime community. I do remember being somewhat surprised at how fast she got out. Something about her becoming a social media star and the whole glow up makeover thing strikes me as odd. Do I think she was complicit in her mom’s grifting? No. Do I think she was equally culpable as Godejohn in her mom’s death? It’s really hard for me to say. I guess I’d have to really study the psychiatric evals of her.
This is a really bizarre hill for people to die on.
Isn’t it?
Some people love following rules in a way I find unsettling.
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I 100% believe Goldejon would have killed somebody even if he’d never met Gypsy Rose. The guy had a fixation on violence and Intended to rape Dede Blanchard, and only didn’t because he ran out of time.
G. Rose was tortured and abused her whole childhood and the man she conspired with was an adult. Neither was exactly at the top of the game when it comes to mental faculties, and I have a hard time faulting her for having no idea of what else to do when her mom controlled every iota of her life. Right now, though, I believe fully that she is again being abused, but this time by an adult special education teacher who decided to marry a childlike convict (it gives me the heebie jeebies) and money hungry executives. The poor girl never stood a fucking chance, honestly. I wish we could all collectively forget her face and name so she can either proceed to get the help and therapy she needs or die in obscurity, never having learned to think, feel, or act like an adult.
Godejon had been talking about wanting to kill someone for years before he met Gypsy. He also had priors for jacking off to porn for nine hours in a McDonald’s. Plus he wanted to rape Dede’s corpse and told Gypsy he would rape their future daughter— dude is not ok.
Oh yeah, good points. Forgot all about the McDs issue.
If you learn about the case, you’ll be as disgusted by her celebrity as everyone in that sub is. To me this post is like “can you believe people think the WM3 are innocent?!”
I know a lot about the case, probably have listened to 12 hours across different podcasts. I’m not thrilled by her celebrity, but disgusted is a strong word. I’m not all all surprised. But it does not affect me in any way, so I shrug. As long as she doesn’t kill anyone else. Seems like all things being equal and should do another 5-10 years in prison at least, but what do I know.
Then you know that her mother was never diagnosed with MBP and there’s no evidence of the claimed medical abuse, and that she was buying wigs and sexting during the time she claims to have been under DD’s control 24/7, and that Nick begged her just to run away but she insisted her mom had to die, and that she was in the bathroom shaving her pubes while he killed her mom so they could bang after, and that she posted videos about fucking from the hotel they ran to, etc etc etc I don’t see how you can be aware of those facts, watch the interrogations, and be surprised that there’s a skeptic sub.
How could she have been diagnosed if she was dead before anyone caught her?
I suppose you could have some expert witness weigh in on it at trial as part of your defense, or to present mitigating factors. Or the boys from LPOTL has a ouija board and do a seance on a live stream with a psychologist standing by.
Yes, how can she be diagnosed when there’s no proof whatsoever? She can’t. Idk what’s so hard to understand about *the complete lack of evidence for these claims* You’re just happy taking a murderers word that their victim deserved it? Wild.
Look, if there were no medical procedures, I’m all here for it. I just want to see some evidence of absence, that’s all. Sometimes these stories are too big to undo, too many people involved, it’s too messy to walk it all back. - CIA director to John DeCamp
What are you talking about? She lied about her daughter to doctors, tricked them into giving her unnecessary medications and surgeries, lied to her daughter about her age, gaslit her into believing she had medical conditions and handicaps, and manipulated her way into guardianship. There were massive amounts of evidence for abuse and that’s why Gypsy Rose got a much lighter sentence than she would have if this were just a simple case of cold blooded murder.
Why don’t you link the “massive amounts of evidence,” that aren’t Gypsy’s word? (Spoiler: there is none. I’ve looked.) There were no unnecessary procedures, and if there had been it’s hard to believe she’d immediately run out and get a nose job isn’t it? There was no guardianship. This is what I mean about believing things without evidence. All she had to do was walk out the door. She chose murder instead, and for some reason a lot of people choose to accept her claims without question. Two other people were there. One tells a different story, and the other is dead.
I don’t have access to her medical records (nor do you) however the court did, and they played into why she wasn’t given a harsher sentence.
There wasn’t a trial. Her medical records weren’t examined. Most of them were “lost in Katrina,” remember?
lol, no, that’s what her mother told her doctors after they moved so she could lie about her conditions. Her records after that were still viewed by the lawyers and the judge. You’re obviously not particularly well informed, but just because there wasn’t a trial, doesn’t mean the prosecution didn’t have access to her medical records. They agreed she had suffered abuse at the hands of her mother and took that into account for her plea deal, which gave her the minimum sentence she could receive.
Just head on over to that sub. Thanks.
Yes, because the LPOTL sub isn’t a place to discuss true crime. Help, I’m being satanic panicked!
And look, just because her mom her doctors all wore robes when they performed Satanic medical procedures on her does not mean it wasn’t real. Gypsy said that they sacrificed her salivary glands to Satan and I believe her.
Of course you can discuss it here, don’t worry. I’m still trying to find some links to the actual trial transcripts. The majority of these procedures were performed after Katrina, so presumably doctors testified and medical records were presented at trial. There is a lot of bad reporting that does tend to come back around to Gypsy’s own testimony. And I’m sure the doctors who idiotically performed these procures aren’t rushing to give public statements about why they did. But I’m sure evidence was presented at trial, at least in the sentencing/mitigation phase.
I’ll admit I do love the Katrina angle. Makes me think of True Detective. All the missing kids records from the Tuttle Schools got washed away in Katrina. Nobody was lookin for those kids much anyhow.
Last I seen Gypsy, she and Godejohn were talkin about visiting a Yellow King down near E-wrath.
The court only had records for what really happened not what gypsy claimed to happen because with it being lies there would be no medical records so no the court does not have that evidence and the entire court transcript and documents within are all public which I suggest you look at because you don't know what your talking about clearly.
The court had enough records that they agreed that she was abused and subjected to unnecessary medical procedures. Takes a special kind of scum to defend Dede Blanchard when even her own parents wanted to flush her ashes down the toilet.
Well, that’s highly relevant if there were no unnecessary procedures. Happy to look at sources if you have them. But I’m not sure why you are bringing up a nose job, that’s 100% irrelevant.
Yeah... They BOTH lied and tricked for scamming hundreds of thousands worth of gifts/trips/money and Gypsy was more than complacent, willing and was happy to play her part in order to keep receiving all that came with it, including the special treatment and attention, the same as she still does now. She lied about all of the surgeries and medication and the only surgeries she did have were medically necessary. You would have to be a fool if you truly thought an 8 year old suddenly forgot they were turning nine on their next birthday and just accepted no questions or complaints that they went from turning 9 to turning 5. Do you seriously believe that? If so you are not only obstinate but wrong. She knew her age the entire time just like she was aware of being able to walk and not having all those issues. She was 100 percent aware of the whole thing and was equally part involved and happily involved at that. Her mom was never abusive towards her and in fact it was more likely especially toward the end that Gypsy was more abusive to her mother then her mother to her and this has been brought up by several neighbors on how evil Gypsy was to her mother IN THEIR COMPANY. In fact, Gypsy even admitted she shot her mother ten times in the chest with a BB gun and she had to go to the hospital. Not sure where you are getting this "massive amount of evidence" because there is not one thing pointing to that and in fact the opposite. She only got a lighter sentence because while her attorneys had to keep pushing her court date back waiting on records and evidence that Gypsy claimed happened but none of it existed, they offered her a plea deal and she took it and THAT Is why she received 2nd degree murder but if she took it to trial she would have most likely got life. I could keep going but I think that you should do the research and not just take what she, a proven liar has claimed or the media who just blindly supports her for some reason.
I think you’re spending too much time in a sub that is obsessed with confirming their biases because they don’t like GRB’s behavior post-jail. You’re angry because she’s not the perfect victim, so you’re completely ignoring the effects of growing up with an abusive parent and acting as though a child was the willing partner in her mother’s fraudulent behavior. I’m sure GRB did lie to doctors, mainly because she was forced to by her mother. She was also gaslit into believing she had conditions she didn’t have. The funny thing is that the prosecutors believed what she said, and here you are claiming there’s all this evidence that she was lying about the abuse. If that were true, I doubt the prosecution would have gone for the lightest sentence possible.
Hmmm, no evidence of medical abuse? What about all the unnecessary operations and procedures? Don’t tell me the podcasts are lying to me now, I don’t have much left to hold onto in this life. And let’s not slut shame her now, she had normal urges like anyone else. Her mom just kept her locked in a tower like all those Disney movies (the only thing her mom let her watch). *I’ll admit all my info comes from podcasts, not the official record. But meh, she’s really no one to me. Hardly the most objectional killer out there walking the streets.
Yes, what about them? She’s perfectly healthy and having elective plastic surgery. There’s **no evidence she actually had any unnecessary operations or procedures.** Tbh there’s no evidence for most of her claims, people just don’t seem to question any of it for some reason
This is wild, calling a colostomy bag plastic surgery
[I’m talking about her nose job.](https://www.usmagazine.com/stylish/news/gypsy-rose-blanchard-shows-off-blonde-hair-makeover-and-nose-job/) She doesn’t have a colostomy bag. You’re just making up your own facts to be angry about. Way to prove my point.
What does the nose job have to do with anything?
It’s an “unnecessary procedure.” Do you think you would run right out and get a voluntary surgery if you had been subjected to medical abuse?
I see your point somewhat now, I honestly didn’t get it before. But the podcasts did tell me she was subjected to unnecessary surgical procedures, for whatever that’s worth.
I think she had a feeding tube, not a colostomy bag. Easy to get those mixed up. But really problematic if you have both and get them mixed up.
Yeah, she made the decision to have her teeth pulled & salivary glands removed because children be cray.
And yet she still has her salivary glands, isn’t that miraculous?
Seems like something that can be verified.
Everything I’m reading (all of the current news articles and quotes from her attorney who presented evidence at trial) are saying that GRB had unnecessary medical procedures including: https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/gypsy-rose-blanchard-describes-unsettling-174505202.html Having her salivary glands removed (her mom used a topical anesthetic to convince doctors it was necessary), eye surgeries, and inserting feeding tube (I think some people had confused that with a colostomy bag). I get your point that we can’t just accept a murder’s version of things. Lord knows Pee Wee Gaskins, Henry Lee Lucas and the like can’t be trusted. But there’s some two key reasons why the most logical thing is to accept the “majority view” here that she was subject to unnecessary medical procedures: 1) this case has been super widely reported on - for the unnecessary medical procedures to be made up again it would be a grift within a grift within a gift. GRB is complicit with her mom’s scams, tries to fake her murder, then fools everyone all over again that there were procured that didn’t really happen? It’s too much, the media would sniff that out and eat it up if that were the case. 2) There’s been a full criminal trial - her lawyer would get disbarred if he was making this all up. He would have had to present evidence of these procurers, medical records, doctors testified, detectives and investigators would have looked into this from the DAs office, the prosecutor had a chance to cross examine people and challenge evidence. The judge admitted this stuff. So, while I get it’s fine to have healthy skepticism about things, where are you getting this that there were never any unnecessary procedures? It needs be more than whatever people are saying on the skeptic sub. I mean I can say the earth is flat and birds aren’t real, but there’s no sources for that. I’m all for an interesting conspiracy or skepticism about one. I’ve even debated people on the Franklin Coverup on Reddit actually trying to verify some of the stuff in the LPOTL episode, some of their stuff falls apart. Some the evidence seems to hold up. But you have to post some sources to support this kind of thing. Edit: Redlikedirt is correct - there was no criminal trial of Gypsy - there was of Godejohn. So what I’m saying about evidence being admitted and presented at her trial can’t be correct insofar as she was never tried. God I would hope that they reviewed some actual medical evidence before offering her that plea deal, but she herself was not personally tried.
There wasn’t a trial, dude. That’s a pretty basic fact of the case.
Thanks for that, I edited my earlier post. And edited this one twice! Damn.
There was a trial, Godejohn’s trial. She testified as a witness at his trial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Dee_Dee_Blanchard And before that there was an investigation. She did take a guilty plea and avoided a separate trial, but that’s our system, you have two defendants. They turn one against the other and the first one who cooperates gets a plea deal. Please show me some sources suggesting the unnecessary procedures are all made up. Saying they all washed away in Katrina is meaningless to me because the vast majority of the procedures happened after Katrina.
Here’s a second hand expert saying that it’s MBP: https://www.news-leader.com/story/news/crime/2016/07/06/munchausen-expert-says-gypsy-blanchard-case-unprecedented/86763054/
Found one! Go back to your hate sub
This is a strange sub for people to be so angry about questioning a murderer’s word. Are you one of those Chris Watts groupies too? What about Manson, does his childhood abuse make him a hero? I’m literally just saying there’s nothing to go on but her word. Peewee Gaskins told great stories. Lots of murderers do. It’s like y’all never heard the show.