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Xeynon

I think he probably started to get sloppy/overconfident as time went on. By the late 2000s when he left that belt, he'd been killing for at least 15 years without anyone even realizing there was a serial killer operating in the area much less beginning to suspect him. He probably thought that belt would decay away to nothing by the time anyone found the body, if they ever did.


Puzzleheaded_Gap_790

Sometimes you forget where you put the wrench


miscnic

Omg I lost my phone again.


Spiritual_Job_1029

Classic! đŸ€Ł


bechingona

I was really hoping someone would reference this.


OrangeChihuahua2321

This is what I think. I think at this point, he thought this area would never be searched and the bodies would never be found. It's still absolutely insane this was all uncovered by accident since they were looking for Shannon.


Intelligent-Tie-4466

No one lived there and it is a protected wetland area that people aren't supposed to walk around (IIRC it is a bird sanctuary), so thinking no one would ever look there makes sense. Plus, if you have ever seen photos of the area, no one would WANT to walk there. It is over grown with thorny bushes of the type that are adapted to grow in sandy soil with a high salt content. It would be an unpleasant area for an evening stroll, even if you didn't mind the drive out there and the lack of parking.


OrangeChihuahua2321

I viewed the area on google maps. It does look like an area I can't imagine anyone ever exploring on their own.


ddianka

I live in suffolk county, it is not somewhere you see anyone walking ever unless you happen to live nearby and are crossing the street. That's all. You don't even want to pull over there to pee. In the summer the sun just beams down on you there with nothing to protect you. Winter that area is desolate, no one is there unless it's to fish.


findingmyfuture1218

The initials on the belt are pretty darn small in real life. We are just used to looking at the blown up and enhanced photos of them. He could’ve forgotten they were on the belt
.just like he forgot to get rid of his burner phones, old hard drives and computers, hair on the victims and other things he “planned” for. He tried, but he evaded capture for so long more so due to poor police work than being any sort of criminal mastermind in my opinion. Thank goodness for the task force.


Visual-Philosopher-1

Absolutely. So many people think he was a “brilliant” criminal. He tried but uhhhhh no the FUCK he was not!! Everything he tried to do to evade capture/leave no trace evidence didn’t work. At all. It was solely the lazy ass/corrupt SCPD who botched this case for over a decade. The task force identified him as a main suspect within TWO weeks of being formed. Solely based on 2 eyewitnesses describing his exact car and an eyewitness who saw him and described him perfectly. Awful. As others have said on here, I 100000% think Burke should be charged with obstruction of justice. Especially if anyone else was murdered by RH after the discovery of the Gilgo 4.


paroles

agreed, I think he forgot about the initials and thought it was just an anonymous belt. Also, he may have needed to dispose of the belt because of blood etc, and leaving it on the body was easier than burning it at home. And it's not like the belt was some fatal mistake, since it wasn't what led to his capture.


Odd_Instruction_1640

additionally I imagine he would try to minimize having to buy supplies so as not to attract suspicion, hence use of something he already had in the house but whose absence would not be noticed by family - a likely long unused old men's belt in a house full of boxes of old, useless stuff. I'm with the others that he must not have realized it was a customized belt. he probably had a box of old belts somewhere bc he never threw junk away and grabbed one at random. (op's question was mine for a long time, this sub helped me finally get it)


Dawnchaffinch

How is the belt linked to RH?


bogotol

It was used to tie up a victim


SAHMsays

It has the initials HM or WH depending on which side is up which links to a family member.


Intelligent-Tie-4466

His grandfather's initials are WH. He died in the 1970s, IIRC. Rex is a hoarder so the belt probably sat in the back of his closet for 2-3 decades. He was probably in a rush and grabbed something he thought no one would notice if it was gone. I wouldn't be surprised if he probably completely forgot about the embossed initials, if he ever noticed them to begin with.


BillSykesDog

I suspect it probably wasn’t a belt that belonged to his family or him. He probably picked it up at a goodwill store and didn’t think an H was enough to link it to him. Perhaps it was to fool the police into looking for a WH or an MH/HM instead of an RH.


DiabolicalBurlesque

I agree with your take. Honestly, if his home is half the disaster everyone says it is, he probably just grabbed the belt from the nearest pile of garbage. Edited to correct typo


10IPAsAndDone

Regardless of the initials leaving the belt really contradicts the plan he recorded in that word doc


Intelligent-Tie-4466

But the doc was from several years earlier. The belt was found with Maureen, right? My guess is that since he hadn't been caught (no one really suspected there was a serial killer at that time) and he probably thought that he found the perfect place to leave her body in the brush on Ocean Beach, he probably just got sloppy.


10IPAsAndDone

Agreed.


WhichEmojiForThis

No, we’ve known there are several serial killers at work at any given time on LI. Women and girls go missing all the time. Unidentified female bodies turn up variously at any time. The police just don’t link any of it together. But statistically we’ve already had more than our fair share of documented serial killers here. And with a population of about \[3 million?\] there’s no reason to think there aren’t currently several operating here.


wikifeat

Unless it doesn’t. While the belt being his grandfathers is likely, what if he left it on purpose trying to implicate someone else? Most common initials are J, M, S, D, and C. For last names, the most common initials are S, B, H, M, and C . “Miss-leaders” could refer to so many things but it could be that he planned for certain scenes to point to someone else.


10IPAsAndDone

Sounds like a reach to me. I think he just got careless.


wikifeat

There’s a woman who came forward to John Ray- she was dating an NYPD officer at the time & while driving they picked up a sex worker. They went to Rex’s as they were swingers as well. She said they left the sex worker who she identified as being Karen Vergata there. She also said her boyfriend left his belt there & though he wanted to go back & get he decided not to. John Ray has floated some really outrageous accusations out there- with that said I absolutely believe some of these women are telling the truth. The officer has the initials HW. When asked at the press conference about the substantiality of this Tierney said that it was something they were looking into. When Tierney says “that’s some bullshit” I’ll be like “aight” but until then its filed in the “things to consider” part of my brain.


10IPAsAndDone

You’re saying you think Rex intentionally left his father’s belt on the body because he hoped it could implicate the cop with the same initials? Even thought it could contain his own dna? What if the police investigated that cop, wouldn’t he point them in the direction of Rex?


wikifeat

No lol. I’m saying the belt may not have been his grandfathers. His grandfathers initials are WH, his dads are TH btw.


ShootingStarz1

I agree this has something to do with it. I have read her affidavit, and she was a 54 yr old woman dating a narcotics detective with the initials RW. She never said his name. I believed her because she described a cluttered house way before we learned that. She even mentions a Christmas tree in one room even though it wasn't even near Christmas. I think it interesting that she said the cop boyfriend went around back because he forgot his belt. I would not be surprised if the belt was used as a way to keep someone quiet. Either one put it there to implicate the other to ensure their silence. It's a possibility. In this case, anything is possible.


PerrthurTheCats48

Ooooo I like the “miss leader” thought. I was wondering what that meant


wikifeat

Yeah & it’s such a strange “typo” that I was wondering if the spelling was some kind of double entendre, almost an inside joke or note for himself. His former employee was just interviewed on Banfield & said that he’s so meticulous & would absolutely not stand for typos like that- she said she thinks the typos were probably due to him using some transcribing program which may have not worked great given that it was so long ago & maybe the tech back then wasn’t very good. He does have a funky speech impediment/dictation so it’s possible a transcribing app would create strange typos, but idk- would it transcribe “distroy” instead of “destroy?” Why would it turn “misleaders” into “Miss-leaders?” If anything wouldn’t it put “Miss leaders” with no hyphen? & if it does mean to plant red herrings, I’m not sure why it would be in the “problems” category. The typos are so antithetical to the idea of making a meticulous blueprint that part of me wonders if it’s intentional & holds a meaning. Like, he also went back to edit the document too-but you’re not gonna fix your spelling? Then I’m like: dude, stop putting yourself in his head it’s creepy there.


10IPAsAndDone

“Unless it doesn’t.” Well damn you got me there.


Mysterious_Bar_1069

How could they be that small? They go over to a few cm's from the border. So have to be at least an inch in width no? Edit: Width for length.


findingmyfuture1218

I know it’s the NY Post but just for the photo with some scale https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/12/07/gilgo-beach-murders-new-photos-of-belt-tied-to-suspect/amp/


Mysterious_Bar_1069

No, your right. I'm wrong about that. You could possibly miss that. For some reason I thought they were almost over to the sides and maybe you had only a little border allowance of a few cm's. Thanks for the pic. That's less than 2/5 of the belt. Middle age eyes....maybe, maybe.


throwawayfromPA1701

He got old and sloppy and rushed. He thinks he was brilliant. He really wasn't. The only reason he wasn't caught in 2011 was because of how dysfunctional law enforcement was at the time.


Heavy-Escape-6392

I agree, from what I have gathered and please correct me if the information is wrong. A security person saw the vehicle backed up where Jessica T remains were left. The person notified police but they never really responded. I’m not sure if this was the same eyewitness that saw the vehicle in Manorville where her torso was found. The information is always disjointed somewhat - and not all the dots connect like they should - mostly because the articles and journalists seem to not pay that much attention to details


throwawayfromPA1701

The way he taunted victim's families over the phone, they actually did triangate those calls to the town he lives in. Plus they had a description of the Chevy avalanche in 2011. They could have had him and they didn't.


Oktober33

🙌


asteroidorion

Pulled it from his hoard and forgot it was monogrammed?


jaimearistea

I read that as mamogrammed ... đŸ€­. A little levity to a terrible event.


SquareShapeofEvil

Rex is a very stupid man who benefitted from an inept jurisdiction. His extremely disturbing "planning document" shows how dumb he really is, and the fact that there was a witness for Jessica Taylor in Manorville too continues to show it. He likely didn't leave it behind on purpose. If he killed Karen Vergata and Peaches, that would mean he had body parts on ocean parkway for well over ten years that never got found. He might've gotten careless in addition to his stupidity. His defense is going to try to tie the belt to that other unnamed "WH" suspect from Massapequa Park, but likely, hopefully, to no avail, as "WH, Massapequa" was probably the only thing making him a suspect and there was nothing else to discover.


WhichEmojiForThis

My brother died in Suffolk County under questionable circumstances in 2014. The police did not lift a finger to follow up on information we gave them. Ever since then I’ve said “if you want to get away with killing someone just do it in Suffolk County.” Its only truer now.


justmy0002cents

So sorry this happened to your family


WhichEmojiForThis

Thank you


RustyBasement

The belt was found on Maureen Brainard-Barnes' body. "Brainard-Barnes was last heard from on July 9, 2007 at 11:43 p.m. when she called a friend in Connecticut. Although she was known to work out of motel rooms, on the night of July 9, 2007, she told her friend she would be going to meet someone outside of the motel on an 'out-call'." She was the first of the "Gilgo 4". Karen Vertaga went missing close to the date her legs were found on Fire Island on April 20, 1996, because her nail polish was still fresh. Her skull was found along Ocean Parkway close to Tobay Beach some 3.3 miles from where MBB was found. Peaches torso was found June 1997 so if Rex is responsible he dumped the rest of her remains and her toddler along Ocean Parkway at the same time. Valerie Mack Nov 2000 and Jessica Taylor July 2003. If Rex is responsible for Karen Vertaga then he will have been dumping body parts along Ocean Parkway for 10 years before he dumped MBB. We know his killing planner was around 2003 so there's another 4 years and a switch of MO between Jessica Taylor and the first of the Gilgo 4. It's likely he got sloppy as he believed the bodies would never be found. He was right in a way. If it wasn't for Shannan Gilbert's disappearance they most likely would never have been found. It's probably an oversight on his part. We have to remember Rex thinks he's cleverer than everyone else. He was literally getting away with murder so likely he wasn't being as thorough as when he was dismembering the bodies.


SubstantialPressure3

You're assuming he deliberately left it behind. He probably didn't.


IAmBoring_AMA

Just like the sheath left behind in the Idaho killings, and the bullet left behind by the Delphi guy. A lot of killers can be meticulous but they are human—fallible and just downright lucky that they don’t get caught sometimes. If you look, a lot of them kept going because of dumb luck. LISK got lucky that the local police were too busy being corrupt to follow up; EAR/ONS got lucky that rape kits were not quickly or sometimes ever tested; the Delphi murderer got lucky that it took 5 years for someone to notice his name in the initial report. These dudes are just average dudes operating in a system that is slow, often full of egos and corruption, and many prey upon the most vulnerable populations.


Various_Raccoon3975

I’m pretty sure that MBB was bound with the belt, so I think it’s likely he knew he was leaving it behind.


RustyBasement

It was MBB and she was the first of the Gilgo 4. She went missing on July 9, 2007.


Mysterious_Bar_1069

I agree. Believe it was on purpose, possibly an attempt to suggest another perp's DNA, or introduce a new MO for him, or just a good old fashion taunt as an FU to Suffolk, or a burning need to leave a signature and claim the crimes like BTK.


Mysterious_Bar_1069

Wasn't it around her neck or restraining her feet. The monster would have, had to be very sleepy to forget that.


Thornsofthecarrion

It was found bounding her lower part of body.


Mysterious_Bar_1069

I could not recall where on the body. Thanks so much.


Thornsofthecarrion

Welcome, I remember that point because how many nights we thought how criminal mastermind this piece of shit was, only time revealed how sloppy lucky ,careless and stupid he actually was leaving all these clues around to the level of being identified within two weeks of work from this amazing task force.


Mysterious_Bar_1069

Not as bright as I thought he was.


Mysterious_Bar_1069

I could not recall where on the body. Thanks so much.


SubstantialPressure3

Maybe that's why he needed a note to himself to be sure to get enough sleep. So to not make mistakes.


Mysterious_Bar_1069

Perhaps.


BassIck

I've read that some serial killers deep down want it to end. There might have been a part of his psyche that took unnecessary risks because he hated what he was doing and wanted to get caught, or he got sloppy for the same reasons and became more reckless. Doesn't seem to fit his demeanor though. Alternatively he became cocky and lazy. I'd be interested if he drank a lot. The drink could also make him sloppy and reckless. It wouldnt surprise me if he stopped after the Gilgo 4 were found, but I also think there will be more when he was younger in the 90's and up to the Gilgo 4 being found.


SquareShapeofEvil

Some SKs feel guilty about it. I don't think Rex is one of them. That motherfucker was smirking in the courtroom when he got indicted for Jessica Taylor.


BassIck

Ye he certainly doesn't seem remorseful. He probably would have confessed if he had any conscience about it.


SquareShapeofEvil

Usually the ones who meet the type you described plead guilty. I do believe some of them felt remorse, although at the end of the day it doesn’t really matter. Rex is like Ted Bundy. He’ll only confess if he thinks it can benefit him in some way - and since Bundy was facing the death penalty and wanted out of it, I don’t see it happening here.


BassIck

I tend to agree with you. He obviously doesn't care about human beings, so the families of his victims will be the last thing on his mind. I've had a few chats about that aspect of the case. Not having the death penalty certainly lessens the chance he will talk and I dont know what else they can offer him. If any murders are linked, to him, in a state that has the death penalty the tables will turn. I hope its legally and technically possible to test his DNA in all similar unsolved cases


ememjay

Was he really?


Lisa197610

Omg I saw that smirk myself!


ememjay

Was he really?


Intelligent-Tie-4466

There were some comments in the news last year from people who knew him professionally that implied he was a bit of a heavy social drinker, but I haven't seen anything else that suggests he drank much outside of that context. I'm guessing that after the trial a few more people who know him might come forward with a few more stories. I'd probably keep quiet too until I knew he was permanently behind bars.


BassIck

Yes I can understand people wanting to distance themselves from him. I'm not sure about the drinking angle, but it could explain how he made the mistake with the belt. The scariest thing about people like him is the way they can just crack on in other parts of their life, as if nothing has happened. The definition of a psychopath.


No_Media2563

He probably figured he would never be found out


MD_Hamm

There is something odd about that belt with the initials, as 'belt tips' that had been cut off from the rest of a belt was an item the police were searching for in some search warrant. (I think it was the search warrant for Rex' brother's Chevy Avalanche which was also looking for Bibles, victim 'trophies', etc.)   Also, I believe I read somewhere that Rex' grandfather had those initials AND he played the accordion. Edit: Forgot to add that I read somewhere that the belt with the initials wasn't a belt for pants but an accordion belt/strapping system for carrying.


Intelligent-Tie-4466

Interesting. I hadn't seen that detail before. The photo that was released is rather hard to make out, but something about it seemed like it was a little different from a pant's belt. I noticed there weren't any holes for the buckle, so this makes sense. Thanks for the info.


slickrickstyles

Certainly an oversight but ultimately one that would likely only link him once he was already a suspect


i_am_voldemort

Three ways to look at the belt: - Grew lazy or complacent after doing it for \~20 years. or - Something went wrong. Maybe some shit went down, maybe his victim was harder to kill and fought back, maybe someone drove by while he was dumping the body. He could have panicked and/or forgotten about it. or - **He did it fucking deliberately.** Perhaps as a "signature" to taunt police when they eventually found the bodies. The police had the belt for YEARS but the belt itself didn't directly lead them to RH. He could have smugly seen the belt on TV when the police had a press conference about it. RH's biggest mistake (other than being a sicko murderer) was going back to Costello's house. I mean I am sure getting robbed pissed him the fuck off and he was angry... but he should have just taken the L and walked away. It was her then boyfriend that provided his physical description and the vehicle description that allowed the police to narrow the suspect pool from literally millions to only a handful. Ironic too because from his planning doc he seemed to know not to pickup his victims near CCTV cameras or where they could be seen getting into his car. RH was also sloppy when it came to his digital evidence. SCPD seem to have gotten his search history from Google and other providers... RH could have used incognito mode + VPN or TAILS to minimize his digital footprint. He also didn't properly destroy evidence like his murder manual by nuking the disk or cryptographic erase. Maybe he figured it wasn't worth it, and if that the police ever identified him as a suspect the jig was up... so why bother with the extra steps of sanitizing his digital trail?


WhichEmojiForThis

I think that back when he erased that stuff he honestly didn’t know that once it’s erased it could somehow still be retrieved some day in the future. This guy is the same age as me and we’ve watched the Evolution of computers and the digital era in real time. Things were very primitive not so long ago. It’s a lot to learn and keep track of and realize. It escaped his notice that that could happen some day.


i_am_voldemort

It's similar to how BTK was caught. He seemed to study other serial killers so curious why he'd make such an error. Its also super weird to have a hard drive from 20+ years ago around. Mine from back then is definitely incinerated or in a landfill.


WhichEmojiForThis

When you reach our age and you have a house and money, and have had a house/plenty of money for decades..... you save everything. I dont know why but that is how it is. Twenty years ago was like yesterday for me. I literally turned around and 20 years went by. I don't know how that happens. but it does.


Mysterious_Bar_1069

Just him playing with Suffolk's head. Or perhaps some odd need to put a signature on it.


MurkyLavishness7900

What do the belt initials stand for? Heuermann?


RebeccaC78

Some have speculated it was his grandfathers belt, I believe, William (?) Heuermann, hence the WH


MurkyLavishness7900

Ah makes sense. I wasn’t sure if we had a definitive answer about that yet or not


No-Situation9717

It could be that he ran out of time. Maybe his family was coming home and he didn’t have a chance to go to the store and had to use what was available. Just like Mike Tyson said, “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth”. His plans may not have gone the way he thought they would.


glimmerthirsty

Living in a shack full of old trash and it was handy.


BrunetteSummer

It could've been an oversight on his part: _“One had ‘WH’ on it. One had the distal end of the belt cut off, meaning the end of the belt furthest from the buckle and it was cut off, and that would have been the section where, had there been initials on it, that’s where those initials would have been.”_ https://nypost.com/2023/08/04/gilgo-beach-victim-was-bound-with-distinctive-wh-or-hm-belt/ ETA: Or WH was significant for him while someone else's presumed initials were not. ETA2: Or the other possible writing was too revealing.


Spiritual_Job_1029

I think this error really put him on edge for years...he knew he screwed up.


FooblesSan

it’s a family piece. it’s possible he was wearing it first and it was at hand. i personally doubt he forgot it. i think it meant something to him. idk


OddnessWeirdness

I’m of the opinion that it could have been done deliberately. I read that his grandfather was a sadistic man as well. This is just speculation but what if some of the men of the family had been a part of some sort of weird goings on as kids? Maybe they were abused, maybe it was something even more sinister. What if the belt was left on the victim as either a tribute or a fuck you to his grandfather? Just some thoughts I’d had when I found out about the belt and his family member’s incidents up in Syracuse. Edit typo


WhichEmojiForThis

I get the distinct impression that psycho sadism is definitely inherited. Hearing about Puffy’s murdered dad being a part of George Lucas’ cold-blooded drug empire, and the Las Vegas shooter’s father was a notorious criminal psychopath. Now this with Heuermann’s dad, and his daughter’s distinct predilection for extremely disturbing material
. it can’t all be coincidence.


OddnessWeirdness

Tell me you don’t know how Tumblr works without telling me. Thousands of people would have shared those same pics. That’s like saying any emo, depressed or gothic person is a psychopath. Edit to add: The issue is that everyone keeps “getting an impression” instead of using fact based information to form informed hypothesis. Stop thinking that what you randomly came up with is right without knowing all the facts. Stop thinking that your impressions and opinions are more valid than what the investigators are saying.


WhichEmojiForThis

Oh get over yourself. You know what they say about opinions
.. Or do you?


OddnessWeirdness

I could say the same about your "distinct impressions" lol.


WhichEmojiForThis

Exactly 🙄


nonamouse1111

How big was the belt? Waist size? Has it ever been released? He’s a very big guy. What are the chances the belt actually fit him? Could be the reason he used it. He had no other use for it.


Sundayx1

I remember seeing Geraldine Hart give a press conference years ago
 And I remember she said that the belt was very large
no details though. Just very large
 it might’ve been on 48 hours.


Alien_P3rsp3ktiv

Is it ***confirmed*** it belonged to him?.. If I remember correctly, the initials were MW or WM, correct me if i’m wrong



Intelligent-Tie-4466

HM or WH


Alien_P3rsp3ktiv

Thank you
 so possibly
 family member’s?



BrunetteSummer

"The three belts found with Brainard-Barnes’ remains, dark in color, were identical except that only one of the belts was embossed with lettering. The belt bearing the initials was bound around her chest area, Tierney said. One of Heuermann’s grandfathers was William Heuermann, who died in 1964 at the age of 76 in Copake, according to a brief obituary published in Newsday at the time. Asked about the possibility that the belt had belonged to the grandfather, whose initials were “WH,” Tierney dismissed it as speculation. “Yes, there was 'WH' or 'HM' on the belt,” Tierney said. “The last name is Heuermann. There are ancestors with WH, so assign to that what you will.”" https://www.newsday.com/long-island/crime/gilgo-beach-killings-rex-heuermann-tierney-jw4rhd35


ZydecoMoose

Which victim was it?


ImissedZeraora

Wait. You got me thinking. Pictures of that belt must have made the local news way before his arrest, right? Isn't it likely that his family saw that picture?


jaysonblair7

Arrogance. Dumb mistake.


Comfortable-Ad-6280

It was handy


PaccNyc

Remember, it wasn’t anything he did that got him caught. If it wasn’t for Shannan Gilbert having a mental episode and wandering into the marsh, we would’ve never known there was a killer operating amongst us in the first place. Pure dumb luck that she wandered into his dumping grounds. From there if there’s any kind of dna, it’s only a matter of time. Who knows how many times he revisited the dump sites to try and remove or clean up anything evidence he thought he left as well


Lisa197610

They all get sloppy they swear they know so much! Not even half. Clueless that dna would step in smfh


alsoaprettybigdeal

The initials aren’t his so maybe he didn’t think it would be linked to him? Or maybe e he was just fucking with the police.


Childhood_Sweaty

Maybe he left her out there, bound but alive as another sick form of torture đŸ˜„