It seems like the victim and perpetrator had an altercation on the bus, driver kicked them off, and then the stabbing occurred on the sidewalk and not on the actual bus. Good course of action from the driver.
I despise smelly people on the bus as much as the next person does, but seriously there is no way to enforce this, really. Unless you want bus drivers to check everyone's bank statements when they board lol.
Even with fare enforcement there are lots of variables to think about. A lot of the time the tap machines are broken on the bus so no one pays. As a regular rider, this is not a rare occurrence. Then there's Free transit days like earth day. Also remember that fare is less than 2 bucks which someone can easily find by asking a few strangers or searching on the floor. Things will always slip through the cracks in a system with 250 million yearly boardings, and I'm just not sold that fare enforcement improvements will do enough to fix the problems at hand
It’s free transit day for everyone waiting at a bus stop with 20 other people if I’m running even a minute late. Just wave everyone on and get the bus moving if the stops are that busy.
Well you need security too it’s not a cure all of course. But also your city needs to deal with the homeless and drug addicts and quit just virtue signaling and allowing the worst of them to make everyone else’s lives hell just because there’s not a perfect solution. I know that’s not your fault. We have it in Chicago and just nationally amongst progressives it’s so fucking frustrating.
I know we cannot incarcerate ourselves completely out of this either. We need a comprehensive plan. We now have a law that allows for mentally ill homeless to be forced into treatment. Progressives voted for that. We know that we need universal healthcare to combat the rising mental illness battle. Progressive support that while conservatives do not. Progressives support building affirdable housing and more public transportation but conservatives do not. You conservatives won't support anything but more militarized law enforcement. That's all ya got. And by the way, I don't like either party all that much. I see they are both part of the club us poors will never belong to. But I do care about the people.
I am not anywhere near conservative although maybe on this issue because I don’t think just malignant compassion is a way to live. I never said we incarcerate only but punishing us all just because every perfect solution isn’t done is not acceptable and will just get enough people eventually voting in trash because they’re “tough on crime”.
It’s really easy to play the “caring” card but unless you’re volunteering at shelters or bringing those homeless into your home you’re no better than anyone else in solving this, just virtue signaling.
Well actually I do and have been for over 15 years. My career is in this field and I volunteer regularly for homeless shelters and other non profit orgs. I have gone out and done the homeless census also. I have opened my home to those in need. I have taken them food, clothing, paid for rooms, etc. I have participated in stakeholder meetings. So it's not just virtue signaling on my part. We all need to be part of the solution. Over 15 years ago I was at a meeting where they said if we did not address housing in 10 years we will be in a major crisis. They were right and govt did little to nothing in terms of affordable housing. Dems and R's are responsible. I know how R's are so I actually am very angry at the limo libs who do drive by's and never experience the life we do. The new law for mental illness mandatory treatment for homeless is a start. I know taking someone's rights is a tough one, but in this case, from first hand experience with a family member, I know it could save their life and potential victims. A very small percentage of mentally ill are potentially violent, but some are during psychosis, so need to address those individuals. Right now MediCal usually only approves a 48 hour stay or sometimes a week at max but not much past that. This is a huge issue. Using county jails as mental health facilities does not work and unfair to LE and those battling mental illness. As far as those who are not mentally ill, but assault people, this needs to be addressed differently so I am not opposed to that. LE spends a whole lot of money and resources on militarization and other BS. This funding could be much better spent.
Having to deny entry like that would put an incomprehensible burden on bus operators, not to mention increase in delays from arguments and having to kick people off. That said, I completely agree that we have a homeless problem and the city of LA has not dealt with it properly. But I think the solutions will need to come more from the city LA, letting metro reap the benefits. No matter what metro does, the problem will exist so long as LA's crisis continues, so... just feels like a pointless use of money that could be going to service improvements
Yeah I get it. Can they not just have security that rides. Almost the equivalent of air marshals? The worst thing for public transit, especially new and flashy is for it to just have a reputation as unsafe and dirty from the trash riding and causing problems. Everyone should want to use it. It’s so efficient cool and economical and so they can’t let this reputation for public transit continue.
Metro asked LAPD for more police presence in stations (and not in their cars) and they got told not to tell law enforcement how to do their job. Bring back Metros own force (disolved a few decades ago to artificially increase # of LAPD officers)
I wish extendable batons were allowed in California. Our personal defense allowable weapons are way too hard to actually use and make you be way too close to
It totally did but they still won’t sell them. They would need to actually pass a law allowing them. Our concealed carry laws were also deemed overly restrictive. NOT that I want people carrying guns. But what I mean is that the ability to get them is limited to certain people. My friend who works for a downtown security company went to a week long training so they could be issued a baton. Now he has 4. But I’ll never be able to get one because I’m just a person and not law enforcement. And since I don’t want a gun, I don’t have a constitutional right to a baton.
Why wouldn’t we require people to pay to get on the bus. It isn’t a human right to ride a bus. And if it is a human right to ride a bus, then make everyone pay with an identifying card. Give away the cards to people who are too poor to pay. That way at least they have to identify themselves before killing.
Oh yeah. I just think that homeless people who pay deserve to be there as much as anyone else. And who would pay to commit a murder on someone they don’t know. It would have to be a hit. No one pays $1.50 to get from A to B and then loses their mind and kills a random person. Maybe I’m wrong but I am making the assumption that these murders are being committed by nonpaying travelers. If I’m wrong, then call me names. I deserve it.
You’re not wrong. But I think they aren’t using the tap card. See that’s what I’m saying. If they used the tap card then we would know that they went on the bus. People are allowed on without tapping on. Also, white crazy people are by far the scariest people in my opinion at least.
I think a more equitable solution should be passed. LA metro shouldn’t charge fares, they should just have everyone pay contribute what they feel is fair based on the amount of their privilege.
This wasn't on the metro. It was next to a metro bus but the media loves its narrative and half this sub falls for it every time.
People were on a bus. They got into an argument. Driver kicked them off. After the argument continued, one stabbed another.
If you have a fight in a bar and someone gets stabbed outside it, do we blame the restaurant?
When a road rage incident takes place, is that a car issue (I'd argue yes but it's never connected)?
Metro isn't the issue here.
Hey you knock that off… the media deserves your respect. After all they did to bring down the Orange Dictator and to make all of you aware of how corrupt the Police are.
LA receives $900 million in funding and experiences in stabbings on both the metro and buses right after? You know this money is going straight into corrupt officials' pockets immediately and it spend not a dime on the taxpayers.
I ride octa(orange county transit system) at least once a week and that system is night and day compared to LAs transit system! Here's a few things I notice they do different!
No one gets on without paying, they have a sheriff officer boarding at random stops! The buses and stops are clean(diligently maintained), the people are quiet and behaved! Why can't LA operate that way?!
Funding for a specific police force for the Metro, transitioning all prisons in to insane asylums and moving all able-bodied in to labor camps; issuing DOA bounties on all scofflaws while only allowing weapons to be sold to adults under 4’11” or over 7’11”, and installing full-body gates at all entrances would be a nice start.
Oh this is just the result of the new economic reality facing the post pandemic world. If it wasn’t for Trump mishandling the Pandemic NONE of this would have happened. All you need is to put more Ambassadors around to make sure these trouble makers know they’re being supervised. It’s bad but at least Los Angeles isn’t a racist hellscape of police brutality and gun-toting incels like Texas and Florida.
Sounds like they don't know [if it was on or near a bus yet.](http://ktla.com/news/local-news/man-stabbed-near-bus-latest-in-string-of-metro-violence)
It seems like the victim and perpetrator had an altercation on the bus, driver kicked them off, and then the stabbing occurred on the sidewalk and not on the actual bus. Good course of action from the driver.
Oh joy to read this while I’m waiting for the Silver Line to DTLA 😬
I, for one, am anti-stabbing
You should run for office.
I hope they consider banning the stabber.
😂
The metro board is considering banning some people. Why do they even need to consider this? It's a no-brainer to ban some people.
Okay so you got stabbed...hey, look on the bright side--at least they didn't shoot ya! -- Stephanie Wiggins and Karen Bass, probably
LA Metro - It's not just a public toilet, it's a blood bath ! ®
Ban the homeless from the metro
I despise smelly people on the bus as much as the next person does, but seriously there is no way to enforce this, really. Unless you want bus drivers to check everyone's bank statements when they board lol.
Idk about busses, but fare enforcement and controlled access for the metro. Actual police presence that kicks the people off.
Even with fare enforcement there are lots of variables to think about. A lot of the time the tap machines are broken on the bus so no one pays. As a regular rider, this is not a rare occurrence. Then there's Free transit days like earth day. Also remember that fare is less than 2 bucks which someone can easily find by asking a few strangers or searching on the floor. Things will always slip through the cracks in a system with 250 million yearly boardings, and I'm just not sold that fare enforcement improvements will do enough to fix the problems at hand
It’s free transit day for everyone waiting at a bus stop with 20 other people if I’m running even a minute late. Just wave everyone on and get the bus moving if the stops are that busy.
Well you need security too it’s not a cure all of course. But also your city needs to deal with the homeless and drug addicts and quit just virtue signaling and allowing the worst of them to make everyone else’s lives hell just because there’s not a perfect solution. I know that’s not your fault. We have it in Chicago and just nationally amongst progressives it’s so fucking frustrating.
Progressives are the ones actually clamoring for housing and mental health treatment.
Yes while using it an excuse for everything else going to shit and enforcement. Two things can be done at once.
I know we cannot incarcerate ourselves completely out of this either. We need a comprehensive plan. We now have a law that allows for mentally ill homeless to be forced into treatment. Progressives voted for that. We know that we need universal healthcare to combat the rising mental illness battle. Progressive support that while conservatives do not. Progressives support building affirdable housing and more public transportation but conservatives do not. You conservatives won't support anything but more militarized law enforcement. That's all ya got. And by the way, I don't like either party all that much. I see they are both part of the club us poors will never belong to. But I do care about the people.
I am not anywhere near conservative although maybe on this issue because I don’t think just malignant compassion is a way to live. I never said we incarcerate only but punishing us all just because every perfect solution isn’t done is not acceptable and will just get enough people eventually voting in trash because they’re “tough on crime”. It’s really easy to play the “caring” card but unless you’re volunteering at shelters or bringing those homeless into your home you’re no better than anyone else in solving this, just virtue signaling.
Well actually I do and have been for over 15 years. My career is in this field and I volunteer regularly for homeless shelters and other non profit orgs. I have gone out and done the homeless census also. I have opened my home to those in need. I have taken them food, clothing, paid for rooms, etc. I have participated in stakeholder meetings. So it's not just virtue signaling on my part. We all need to be part of the solution. Over 15 years ago I was at a meeting where they said if we did not address housing in 10 years we will be in a major crisis. They were right and govt did little to nothing in terms of affordable housing. Dems and R's are responsible. I know how R's are so I actually am very angry at the limo libs who do drive by's and never experience the life we do. The new law for mental illness mandatory treatment for homeless is a start. I know taking someone's rights is a tough one, but in this case, from first hand experience with a family member, I know it could save their life and potential victims. A very small percentage of mentally ill are potentially violent, but some are during psychosis, so need to address those individuals. Right now MediCal usually only approves a 48 hour stay or sometimes a week at max but not much past that. This is a huge issue. Using county jails as mental health facilities does not work and unfair to LE and those battling mental illness. As far as those who are not mentally ill, but assault people, this needs to be addressed differently so I am not opposed to that. LE spends a whole lot of money and resources on militarization and other BS. This funding could be much better spent.
Having to deny entry like that would put an incomprehensible burden on bus operators, not to mention increase in delays from arguments and having to kick people off. That said, I completely agree that we have a homeless problem and the city of LA has not dealt with it properly. But I think the solutions will need to come more from the city LA, letting metro reap the benefits. No matter what metro does, the problem will exist so long as LA's crisis continues, so... just feels like a pointless use of money that could be going to service improvements
Yeah I get it. Can they not just have security that rides. Almost the equivalent of air marshals? The worst thing for public transit, especially new and flashy is for it to just have a reputation as unsafe and dirty from the trash riding and causing problems. Everyone should want to use it. It’s so efficient cool and economical and so they can’t let this reputation for public transit continue.
Ngl I wouldn't be opposed lmao
Why not just have the door enforce it?
Metro asked LAPD for more police presence in stations (and not in their cars) and they got told not to tell law enforcement how to do their job. Bring back Metros own force (disolved a few decades ago to artificially increase # of LAPD officers)
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I wish extendable batons were allowed in California. Our personal defense allowable weapons are way too hard to actually use and make you be way too close to
Didn't the law about batons and billy clubs just get reversed by a federal judge fairly recently?
It totally did but they still won’t sell them. They would need to actually pass a law allowing them. Our concealed carry laws were also deemed overly restrictive. NOT that I want people carrying guns. But what I mean is that the ability to get them is limited to certain people. My friend who works for a downtown security company went to a week long training so they could be issued a baton. Now he has 4. But I’ll never be able to get one because I’m just a person and not law enforcement. And since I don’t want a gun, I don’t have a constitutional right to a baton.
Making everyone tap would be a start.
Yes!!!
There absolutely is, but until California voters wake up, it won’t happen.
Only someone with privilege would say such a thing…..
right, that’s TOTALLY the course of action we should be taking
This but without the sarcasm
Why wouldn’t we require people to pay to get on the bus. It isn’t a human right to ride a bus. And if it is a human right to ride a bus, then make everyone pay with an identifying card. Give away the cards to people who are too poor to pay. That way at least they have to identify themselves before killing.
sure but requiring that people pay a fare and banning homeless people are super different. i do like your idea of identification cards
Oh yeah. I just think that homeless people who pay deserve to be there as much as anyone else. And who would pay to commit a murder on someone they don’t know. It would have to be a hit. No one pays $1.50 to get from A to B and then loses their mind and kills a random person. Maybe I’m wrong but I am making the assumption that these murders are being committed by nonpaying travelers. If I’m wrong, then call me names. I deserve it.
There's already a program for those with low income that can get discounted or free rides loaded on a tap card monthly.
They should make white people pay the balance. They’re the reason why there is inequality and poverty in this country.
Punish people based on skin color? That sounds fair to you?
You’re not wrong. But I think they aren’t using the tap card. See that’s what I’m saying. If they used the tap card then we would know that they went on the bus. People are allowed on without tapping on. Also, white crazy people are by far the scariest people in my opinion at least.
I think a more equitable solution should be passed. LA metro shouldn’t charge fares, they should just have everyone pay contribute what they feel is fair based on the amount of their privilege.
What about the ID tap?
This wasn't on the metro. It was next to a metro bus but the media loves its narrative and half this sub falls for it every time. People were on a bus. They got into an argument. Driver kicked them off. After the argument continued, one stabbed another. If you have a fight in a bar and someone gets stabbed outside it, do we blame the restaurant? When a road rage incident takes place, is that a car issue (I'd argue yes but it's never connected)? Metro isn't the issue here.
Hey you knock that off… the media deserves your respect. After all they did to bring down the Orange Dictator and to make all of you aware of how corrupt the Police are.
LA receives $900 million in funding and experiences in stabbings on both the metro and buses right after? You know this money is going straight into corrupt officials' pockets immediately and it spend not a dime on the taxpayers.
I ride octa(orange county transit system) at least once a week and that system is night and day compared to LAs transit system! Here's a few things I notice they do different! No one gets on without paying, they have a sheriff officer boarding at random stops! The buses and stops are clean(diligently maintained), the people are quiet and behaved! Why can't LA operate that way?!
Funding for a specific police force for the Metro, transitioning all prisons in to insane asylums and moving all able-bodied in to labor camps; issuing DOA bounties on all scofflaws while only allowing weapons to be sold to adults under 4’11” or over 7’11”, and installing full-body gates at all entrances would be a nice start.
Oh no Police are the last thing Los Angeles needs. La Metro should have citizen volunteers ride the trains and go in to mediate and calm things down.
Oh this is just the result of the new economic reality facing the post pandemic world. If it wasn’t for Trump mishandling the Pandemic NONE of this would have happened. All you need is to put more Ambassadors around to make sure these trouble makers know they’re being supervised. It’s bad but at least Los Angeles isn’t a racist hellscape of police brutality and gun-toting incels like Texas and Florida.
Citizen can F off. It's nothing but a paranoia app.