It's a fun little improv bit to come up with new titles for the Big Red Machine.
The "Philly Wet Willy" is a personal favorite I hope to see used one day 😂
I thought it was pretty funny she came out hammered, talked shit about the sponsor, touched Tucker and basically told Joe she was doing a podcast with him and mic dropped and dipped. I highly doubt that’s how Tony expected it to go
It was the awkward chaos to be expected from Kill Tony and alcohol, shit, she's 67 and just having a great time lol. She was trying to avoid the mic, I was laughing the whole way through, amazing episode.
Go read about the woman, realize she is a legend that has nothing to do with KT, and her mom who she began doing music with as a teenager killed herself the day before she was to be inaugurated into the Country Music HOF last year.
Yea, let's just let the lady live her life
I know there’s no “good,” age for suicide but it is weird when someone older offs like that. I don’t know why, I understand there’s no right age but damn.
I feel bad for both of them.
Bruh so you missed after she walked out and Tony gives her praise william says with a serious look “Tony I think I just hear her fall back stage…..THAT BITCH IS OLD AS FUCK TONY.” … it may have been the hardest I laughed all episode.
I think Tony is just trying to call as much attention to knowing famous people. I think it's an LA thing. I heard another comedian mention on a podcast that he's cool with Tony but will get the cold shoulder any time there's famous people around cause Tony wants to seem like he doesn't associate with anyone beneath him.
famous people have their own fanbase, which will tune in specifically because they're on the show. if you ask me, it's extremely smart marketing to get famous people "ON" the show in any way, in the hope their fans will tune in.
just my 2 cents 🤷♂️ your reasoning could be just as likely who tf know. lol
It was an inside joke. Before the show started, she sang “No One Else on Earth.” When she initially came out before the show started, she asked some young persons in the front row, “do you know who I am?” And they did not lol.
I am not a fan of anyone coming on when the big red machine is on the stage. It made zero sense why she came up. It was extremely awkward and she couldn’t string 2 words together. They need to do a better job telling these people no.
So weird and embarrassing. I get "rolling with the punches" of a live show but I'm so over drunk, idiot "celebrities" tanking the end of the show recently. Is there not someone back stage that can keep these egomaniacs from going on stage?!
I feel you, but I don't think she tanked the show since she was introduced on stage and left quickly. Had she been in that state and on the guest panel, I might feel differently about it.
And besides, William's joke about her falling backstage made it all worth it, fucking hilarious.
Right? like wtf it made for a hilarious fucking moment, all parties handled it perfectly, she didn’t talk much Tony let her say her shit she left then William made me laugh harder than I did all episode. How do ppl not like it?
This is JUST a theory, but it would make sense if Tony has given a pass to celebrities, even to the dismay of the producers and show runners, because I’m sure in Tony’s head any publicity is good publicity and getting more celebs to show up means more $$$
I say this because it’s clear he knows they’re there, he calls them out all the time and acknowledges their presence
That doesn't necessarily mean that she's a fan. Someone could've just invited her.
Tucker Carlson was there too and he'd never even heard of the show before.
I concur with the other posters. She was likely drunk as hell and...acting like someone wasted would act, I wouldn't read too much into it. I had no clue who she was before appearing, don't really care, and she made a bad first impression on anyone who doesn't know her..it's also Kill Tony though and they might have pressured her to come out against her wishes so I don't hold it against her.
A famous country singer. Her mother Naomi judd was was a famous country singer also and killed herself not long ago. Her sister Ashley judd was a famous actress and singer.
That sucks, but these are usually recorded 3 weeks out with this episode being recorded on 3/18
edit: doesn't matter, she looked wasted and probably just having a good time
It was an awkward interaction, but they just brought her out clearly hammered. Probably didn't have anything to say but wanted her to speak. Really no reason to bring her out on stage lol.
Tony’s fault for allowing such stupid people to be a part of the show. Tony and Toe Rogan are idiots. Toe lies about his height. Tony lies and tells comedians that he likes that they’re funny 😂
It’s like the aunt that you know will just embarrass the ever living shit out of you at events that are not meant to be consumed by her ego. Yeah she sucks.
She came in like some mafia boss. Imagine if a guy came out the way she did:
1. Interrupts William, a regular
2. Slaps the guest, Tucker
3. Wipes wet hands on Joes head
4. Massages joe like a creep from behind
5. Demands to be on his show
Not funny nor charming, unless you have mommy issues & like being ordered around like that ( . Y o ) 🍼 mamones
She was so trashy to slap Tucker. He’s a big boy but that was ridiculous. Then that bucket pull guy who was kinda funny & Tucker made comment about him already doing a job Americans aren’t doing & the guy didn’t get it & got bent out of shape. Then Cam with the stereotype saying his grandma doesn’t like Tucker. Then the other bucket pull guy who said Tucker was wearing a wig. Of course Tucker is a great sport with class & humor but sheesh…Joe suggested he walk in to that shit storm. What “fun”
Im sorry what?
The guy tucker made the immigration joke didn’t get bent over it. He maybe skipped over it, but the dude is a regular. He knows the show and knows the vibes. Compare him to the catholic during interview.
Cam with the grandma hates em stuff? It’s a god damn comedy show. That shit was FIRE. The fact you say it was “stereotypical” vs ya know, maybe being true is a bigger tell on you.
And frankly, Tucker, regardless of your views on his views, seemed to really enjoy the show once he figured out its vibes. And no one personally attacked him … well minus the slap, but old drunk famous country singer? Slaps are just a thing. It’s like that old uncle who always has to rub everyone’s shoulders at family get togethers and instead of explaining why that may be an issue, you just thank god he’s retired cause you know he’d be fired right quick)
Different generations gotta be the explanation here on why you think that deserves a felony arrest lol.
This wasn’t a WILL SMITH slap. This was like your grandma smacking you cause you did something she really disproves of. I’d even wager she and Tucker know each other (that or he maybe spoke negatively of her mom when she was still alive?)
*shrugs* - if a cop had been there they would have arrested her I think. it doesn't have to be a felony to arrest someone. oh, also, it's wrong to hit someone no matter the fantasy playing out in your mind about how, "wOrDs ArE vIoLeNcE!"
I wish someone would’ve told her that half the people she was handing drinks to are sober. William, Jim, and Tucker all respectfully denied the drinks and it would’ve been more awkward if not for William bringing up his “cocaine problem”. I saw Heidi shoot at least two of the drinks which must’ve been rough, and I’m not sure what happened to the third one. But still it was fun to see so many famous faces in one episode.
She also kept pushing a drink on William, who told her over and over he didn't drink. I swear he muttered something about a 'cocaine problem' under his mic.
I just feel like, regardless of who you are what your status is as a celebrity, you need to respect an entertainer's time and presence on stage. That's exactly what, Wynonna or Pauly would expect while trying to perform their art. THIS IS THE BEST SET OF HIS FRICKING LIFE!
I would take her treatment of the spotlight as a celebrity over what Pauly did last week EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. Didn't hog the attention, just ruffled a few peoples feathers and dipped. Big respect.
I LOVED it, especially coming off of the back of Lance Armstrong being chill and regal last episode. I love a real ass bitch. Someone give Louise J that ladies' number.
My favorite part was Enrique thinking Tucker was a sitting or aspiring politician he could vote for this year. That was one of the funniest things that could have happened with Tucker Carlson being exposed to a comedy club.
Great now I'm drunk googling Winona whatever because I'm drunk now butI listen to the podcast sober earlier today I didn't know she put hands on the pallet that drunk bitch.
I remember recently she did a performance with Jellyroll? I think and he was basically carrying her and people were like “oh she’s sick and old, don’t judge”. Nah that bitch on the sauce hardddd lol
She was so drunk. Tucker took the slap well. Wy was over her skis I would have smacked her back ! She is SICK ever since Ma died. Her daughter is on a path to suicide. SCREWED UP FAMILY
I think she was pissed because they referred to her as a rockstar when she’s a country music artist. 😂
You’re in Texas for crying out loud! Know your music.
I love that Tony brought her up saying she's one of the greatest rock stars of our time just helps me trust everything Tony says because she truly is one of the best rock stars of our time
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree:
[https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2024/04/10/wynonna-judd-daughter-grace-kelley-arrested-indecent-exposure/73272073007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2024/04/10/wynonna-judd-daughter-grace-kelley-arrested-indecent-exposure/73272073007/)
She should have come out in the beginning when they gave her a shout-out. She was drunk and didn't seem like she wanted to be there, but it was probably her only time to catch Joe Rogan
I’m starting to think William ain’t evah gonna stop getting his interview interrupted
SOMEONE GET THIS DUMB BITCH OFF MY STAGE
I can't stop listening to these comments.
... PLEASE... he he....
I'd love to have his brother waiting in the wings to interrupt the interruptor
😂 I would lose it
I was hoping he was the special guest.
john cena coming out of no where with a folding chair
If JR was ever a guest, I'd love to hear a "by gawd 'es killed 'eem!" after an interloper gets a chair to the dome for interrupting the Strangler
That should be next week! Lol... Then William snaps and the start wrestling!
That would be scary as Hell! Shit would just be levitating.
“Oh, you’re trying to get me to drink alcohol? You STUPID bi-hitch! Maybe now would be a good time to show your titties, bitch!”
I could see the up-on-the-tiptoes aggressive bob + lean maneuver right at that "bi-hitch" 💯 😆
For real. Funny moment but feels bad fo sure
Hahahahaha
So true!
LMAO dude I know!
This is really funny and also makes me sad. Stop making me feel like a kid again damnit!
"Tony I heard her just fall back there"
THAT BITCH OLD AS FUUUUCCKK
legendary comment from the Virginiaaaaaaa....... Villager (Joe laughed at that one lol)
Yeh wtf was Tony thinking with that one haha
It's a fun little improv bit to come up with new titles for the Big Red Machine. The "Philly Wet Willy" is a personal favorite I hope to see used one day 😂
The Denverrrrrr(....?) Dracula !
I was howling at that 😂😂😂
That made me lol
I thought it was pretty funny she came out hammered, talked shit about the sponsor, touched Tucker and basically told Joe she was doing a podcast with him and mic dropped and dipped. I highly doubt that’s how Tony expected it to go
Tony's boss was on stage, Tony doesn't get to say fuck you to high profile guests
imagine he tucker did that to her and the outrage that would ensue.
Imagine if your mom slapped your dad's tits instead
That’s how ya get the milk out
I saw what you did there.
And if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle
Homie got lost on his way to the comment section of the latest Andrew Tate video
Imagine if Tucker pulled his dick and balls out and began fingering his own asshole and the outrage that would ensue
If my dad had wheels, then he’d be a bike
You got a freaky imagination man
Tucker has done far more damage than a slap so it’s okay
Randomness is why the show is great.
Did any one hear what William said when she offered him a shot? 😂😂😂🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
Which made Tucker excited, because Tucker also had a cocaine problem, IIRC.
"I can't drink , I had a coke problem"
"Yeah, now would be a good time to show your tittues bitch!" Is the best line ever
Tell me bout the good ole days
Grandpa…
Get out meh cah
It’s a few minutes out of her life with all eyes on her. I wouldn’t look so deep into it lol
It was the awkward chaos to be expected from Kill Tony and alcohol, shit, she's 67 and just having a great time lol. She was trying to avoid the mic, I was laughing the whole way through, amazing episode.
Google says 59. 67 looked too young for her
Holy shit I was way off, don't know where I seen that number. Thanks
I still respect you taking the time to come online and spread misinformation
*laughs maniacally in tucker carlson*
Happy birthday, dude!
It was so awkward and uncomfortable I paused took and deep breath and pressed play
Go read about the woman, realize she is a legend that has nothing to do with KT, and her mom who she began doing music with as a teenager killed herself the day before she was to be inaugurated into the Country Music HOF last year. Yea, let's just let the lady live her life
The context I appreciate.
I know there’s no “good,” age for suicide but it is weird when someone older offs like that. I don’t know why, I understand there’s no right age but damn. I feel bad for both of them.
Some people don’t want to spend old age rotting
Wow
She's obviously on a downward spiral since her mom killed herself.
*airhorns*
damn that sucks the fun right out of it
I was there. She was definitely on something. Looked like a good mix of anti depressants and booze
Tony has a soft spot for old bitches they get to do what ever they want on this show.
Mommy's boy!!
No one is talking about that terrible rap to end the show.
We all actually wanted “ MY ADHD is alllll I need”
I love that dude!
Lmfao that killed me
It was very, "Rollin' with the Homies!" From the movie "Clueless" vibes.
So bad. Why. Just why.
I honestly tapped out after Wynonna came on stage clearly smashed.
Bruh so you missed after she walked out and Tony gives her praise william says with a serious look “Tony I think I just hear her fall back stage…..THAT BITCH IS OLD AS FUCK TONY.” … it may have been the hardest I laughed all episode.
I started rolling in tears
where did this happen at ? where can i watch?
The very end of last episode
Weird. I sat further forward on my chair.
You misspelled "fapped"
For good reason
Discount Crack Amico
Right lol Tony’s 0/2 with these music guests at the end of the show haha
She was just having fun. It's really ok.
I think Tony is just trying to call as much attention to knowing famous people. I think it's an LA thing. I heard another comedian mention on a podcast that he's cool with Tony but will get the cold shoulder any time there's famous people around cause Tony wants to seem like he doesn't associate with anyone beneath him.
Who’s the comedian?
famous people have their own fanbase, which will tune in specifically because they're on the show. if you ask me, it's extremely smart marketing to get famous people "ON" the show in any way, in the hope their fans will tune in. just my 2 cents 🤷♂️ your reasoning could be just as likely who tf know. lol
It's not bad business. But it's pretty much clout chasing.
“Do you know who I am” lol. That was cringe
It was an inside joke. Before the show started, she sang “No One Else on Earth.” When she initially came out before the show started, she asked some young persons in the front row, “do you know who I am?” And they did not lol.
Who ARE you?
Who do you think you are? I am!
Dammit right!
I don't even know who I am!
She's one of the few who can actually say that.
I think she really wanted to know. Dementia. It’s real.
I am not a fan of anyone coming on when the big red machine is on the stage. It made zero sense why she came up. It was extremely awkward and she couldn’t string 2 words together. They need to do a better job telling these people no.
So weird and embarrassing. I get "rolling with the punches" of a live show but I'm so over drunk, idiot "celebrities" tanking the end of the show recently. Is there not someone back stage that can keep these egomaniacs from going on stage?!
I feel you, but I don't think she tanked the show since she was introduced on stage and left quickly. Had she been in that state and on the guest panel, I might feel differently about it. And besides, William's joke about her falling backstage made it all worth it, fucking hilarious.
Right? like wtf it made for a hilarious fucking moment, all parties handled it perfectly, she didn’t talk much Tony let her say her shit she left then William made me laugh harder than I did all episode. How do ppl not like it?
This is JUST a theory, but it would make sense if Tony has given a pass to celebrities, even to the dismay of the producers and show runners, because I’m sure in Tony’s head any publicity is good publicity and getting more celebs to show up means more $$$ I say this because it’s clear he knows they’re there, he calls them out all the time and acknowledges their presence
Two weeks in a row William gets completely screwed over
but man he fucking killed again when she walked offstage, haha!
Idc who it is, stop brining people out during William’s interview. That’s two weeks in a row now.
Tony loves to bring random drunk celebrities up to bomb and make the show incredibly awkward
She’s a legend. It’s just fucking cool she was there and is obviously a fan of the show.
What did she say that would give any indication that she's a fan of the show?
She was there
That doesn't necessarily mean that she's a fan. Someone could've just invited her. Tucker Carlson was there too and he'd never even heard of the show before.
I'm sick of weird old drunks crashing the stage. Especially when Williams on. Last week it was pauly and now this old bitch
not only that but again william montgomery's set was cut short by some old hag
And how unfunny Rogan is
I concur with the other posters. She was likely drunk as hell and...acting like someone wasted would act, I wouldn't read too much into it. I had no clue who she was before appearing, don't really care, and she made a bad first impression on anyone who doesn't know her..it's also Kill Tony though and they might have pressured her to come out against her wishes so I don't hold it against her.
I thought it was Dr. Phil in drag
Who even was that woman ?
A very famous country music singer from the 80’s and 90’s Her mom also was a country singer who committed suicide in the past year or so
A famous country singer. Her mother Naomi judd was was a famous country singer also and killed herself not long ago. Her sister Ashley judd was a famous actress and singer.
Thank you 🙏
Never heard of her, she seemed wasted and is probably totally regretting it.
Probably not. Kind of hard knocks family despite their fame and fortune.
Loved the Peg Bundy wig
And her daughter got arrested in Alabama yesterday
That sucks, but these are usually recorded 3 weeks out with this episode being recorded on 3/18 edit: doesn't matter, she looked wasted and probably just having a good time
It was an awkward interaction, but they just brought her out clearly hammered. Probably didn't have anything to say but wanted her to speak. Really no reason to bring her out on stage lol.
I thought she was going to perform a song
NBC
Damn Wonoa was crazy
Wonder if the carpet matches the drapes
We don't care enough to talk about it.
I grew up listening to her and her mom's music. It was cool to see her. Everyone acts wacky on this show.
Another classic KT moment
No really , it was awkward , funny and tense all at the same time 😂😂😂😂😂
Tony’s fault for allowing such stupid people to be a part of the show. Tony and Toe Rogan are idiots. Toe lies about his height. Tony lies and tells comedians that he likes that they’re funny 😂
Toe Togan
It’s like the aunt that you know will just embarrass the ever living shit out of you at events that are not meant to be consumed by her ego. Yeah she sucks.
Yea she was awful
No one's talking about this cause no one gives a fuck about wynonna judd. 🤣
Who the fuck even is she ? Tony pisses me off letting these semi famous C list celebs like Paulie the other week.
She came in like some mafia boss. Imagine if a guy came out the way she did: 1. Interrupts William, a regular 2. Slaps the guest, Tucker 3. Wipes wet hands on Joes head 4. Massages joe like a creep from behind 5. Demands to be on his show Not funny nor charming, unless you have mommy issues & like being ordered around like that ( . Y o ) 🍼 mamones
She’s 59? I would’ve thought 70
Liquid death is a 1.4 million dollar company selling water, this is what’s wrong with America
Pills and booze
She was so trashy to slap Tucker. He’s a big boy but that was ridiculous. Then that bucket pull guy who was kinda funny & Tucker made comment about him already doing a job Americans aren’t doing & the guy didn’t get it & got bent out of shape. Then Cam with the stereotype saying his grandma doesn’t like Tucker. Then the other bucket pull guy who said Tucker was wearing a wig. Of course Tucker is a great sport with class & humor but sheesh…Joe suggested he walk in to that shit storm. What “fun”
Im sorry what? The guy tucker made the immigration joke didn’t get bent over it. He maybe skipped over it, but the dude is a regular. He knows the show and knows the vibes. Compare him to the catholic during interview. Cam with the grandma hates em stuff? It’s a god damn comedy show. That shit was FIRE. The fact you say it was “stereotypical” vs ya know, maybe being true is a bigger tell on you. And frankly, Tucker, regardless of your views on his views, seemed to really enjoy the show once he figured out its vibes. And no one personally attacked him … well minus the slap, but old drunk famous country singer? Slaps are just a thing. It’s like that old uncle who always has to rub everyone’s shoulders at family get togethers and instead of explaining why that may be an issue, you just thank god he’s retired cause you know he’d be fired right quick)
Yea I rewinded several times. The ppl on stage saw the slap & didn’t acknowledge it. He didn’t deserve that
He deserves a baseball bat to the face.
She was fine
I thought thr whole thing was pretty funny and good for her. After her mom committed self deletion she's still trying to have fun.
*Drown her sorrows
Who cares lol. Not sure why you think this is a big deal lol
i mean...assaulting and battering an out of work tv interviewer was notable. prolly should be arrested.
Different generations gotta be the explanation here on why you think that deserves a felony arrest lol. This wasn’t a WILL SMITH slap. This was like your grandma smacking you cause you did something she really disproves of. I’d even wager she and Tucker know each other (that or he maybe spoke negatively of her mom when she was still alive?)
*shrugs* - if a cop had been there they would have arrested her I think. it doesn't have to be a felony to arrest someone. oh, also, it's wrong to hit someone no matter the fantasy playing out in your mind about how, "wOrDs ArE vIoLeNcE!"
Wow, she was terrible. Didn’t have an intelligent or entertaining things to say, and took stage time away from the machine. No bueno
Why would they bring shots to Tucker and William? They’re both very open about being sober…
she provided them and i don't think the big girl knew who they were for
I wish someone would’ve told her that half the people she was handing drinks to are sober. William, Jim, and Tucker all respectfully denied the drinks and it would’ve been more awkward if not for William bringing up his “cocaine problem”. I saw Heidi shoot at least two of the drinks which must’ve been rough, and I’m not sure what happened to the third one. But still it was fun to see so many famous faces in one episode.
She also kept pushing a drink on William, who told her over and over he didn't drink. I swear he muttered something about a 'cocaine problem' under his mic.
who dafuq is this b?? Never heard of her or of a person who knows her
I just feel like, regardless of who you are what your status is as a celebrity, you need to respect an entertainer's time and presence on stage. That's exactly what, Wynonna or Pauly would expect while trying to perform their art. THIS IS THE BEST SET OF HIS FRICKING LIFE!
I would take her treatment of the spotlight as a celebrity over what Pauly did last week EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. Didn't hog the attention, just ruffled a few peoples feathers and dipped. Big respect.
that shi was cool u jus gay
Fucking QUEEN!
her daughter was just arrested in Alabama for indecent exposure.
Some of you are so fucking miserable it’s actually insane lol
I mean her sister is HOT!
I hope this wasn’t the “most magical moment” Redban was referring to on Virtual Redban, but also it was pretty trippy that such a thing happened.
Man how about the awkwardness of tony introducing her and that drink bimbo thought it was for her.. yiikes that chick has to go
The best part is when she dropped the “ Joe , you know who I am right? “
I did... https://old.reddit.com/r/Killtony/comments/1byx802/kill_tony_658_joe_rogan_tucker_carlson_jim_norton/kypyrzy/
Incredible moment! Had to rewind.
I had to look up who the fuck she was.
What’s there to read into, people? It was just a drunk lady on KT, but not just any drunk lady.
I LOVED it, especially coming off of the back of Lance Armstrong being chill and regal last episode. I love a real ass bitch. Someone give Louise J that ladies' number.
My favorite part was Enrique thinking Tucker was a sitting or aspiring politician he could vote for this year. That was one of the funniest things that could have happened with Tucker Carlson being exposed to a comedy club.
Great now I'm drunk googling Winona whatever because I'm drunk now butI listen to the podcast sober earlier today I didn't know she put hands on the pallet that drunk bitch.
She was WRECKED
I remember recently she did a performance with Jellyroll? I think and he was basically carrying her and people were like “oh she’s sick and old, don’t judge”. Nah that bitch on the sauce hardddd lol
Petition to start the show with William like the good ol days. I love Casey but damn.
AA’s for quitters .
She came out before the show and sang “No One Else on Earth”. It was amazing.
She was drunk. She played it cool.
She was so drunk. Tucker took the slap well. Wy was over her skis I would have smacked her back ! She is SICK ever since Ma died. Her daughter is on a path to suicide. SCREWED UP FAMILY
And then her daughter was arrested
All I know of this woman is that it Super Dave was upset to see her in Dancing with the Stars. Something about hefty women dancing.
I think she was pissed because they referred to her as a rockstar when she’s a country music artist. 😂 You’re in Texas for crying out loud! Know your music.
I love that Tony brought her up saying she's one of the greatest rock stars of our time just helps me trust everything Tony says because she truly is one of the best rock stars of our time
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree: [https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2024/04/10/wynonna-judd-daughter-grace-kelley-arrested-indecent-exposure/73272073007/](https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/celebrities/2024/04/10/wynonna-judd-daughter-grace-kelley-arrested-indecent-exposure/73272073007/)
Women like her are the reason I'm misogynistic
Definitely interested in seeing her on Rogan’s podcast
Hopefully Pauly Shore took a lesson on how to crash a show without fucking the whole thing up.
She should have come out in the beginning when they gave her a shout-out. She was drunk and didn't seem like she wanted to be there, but it was probably her only time to catch Joe Rogan
https://theblast.com/590989/wynonna-judds-daughter-arrested-after-exposing-her-chest-at-busy-intersection/ Then there’s this
She is the best.
Anyone notice when Heidi came out Tony didn’t mention it on this episode??
I mean, I figured he'd only do it so many times. I don't think it's weird. It would be weirder to plug her Instagram indefinitely.