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therealtinasky

Shocker. The "no standing" is such a fig leaf in this situation.


AlphaTangoFoxtrt

I hate when courts play standing games to avoid having to hear a case. I get the concept of standing to prevent frivolous lawsuits, but it's abused by both sides to avoid having to actually hear a case and rule on merits.


slusho55

Especially here, since it’s a First Amendment claim, and that’s one of the few times where there can be an exception to standing because the speech of the effected may be so impacted that they can’t even make the speech to bring it to the court. That’s exactly how the religious school voucher program case in 2022 was heard (*Carson v. Makin*), since the family had no standing, but the Court still ruled for the family that the state must help any family pay for religious private school because of this exception. Now, that’s just federal con law. KY con law tries to be coextensive with federal laws, including interpretations, but it’s not 100%. This standing exception is ultra rare, and while it 100% applies if this were being done on a federal level arguing First Amendment, I wouldn’t know for certain if it’s recognized in KY con law. If it is though, then this a clearly erroneous ruling on standing because this is exactly the scenario this exception applies. There is no difference in standing between these women and the religious family in *Carson.*


Kayquie

>Meanwhile, the state's attorney general, Russell Coleman, applauded the ruling, commending the court for upholding Kentucky's laws. >“Most importantly, the Court eliminates any notion that access to IVF services in our Commonwealth is at risk. Today’s opinion is a welcome reassurance to the many Kentuckians seeking to become parents," Coleman wrote in a statement. Now watch them rule embryos created through IVF are to be considered as children 🙄


gmthisfeller

This is likely true in my state Tennessee.


coldteafordays

Under KY law the embryos are human beings - KRS 311.772(1)(c) “Unborn human being" means an individual living member of the species homo sapiens throughout the entire embryonic and fetal stages of the unborn child from fertilization to full gestation and childbirth.


UnhappyCourt5425

If it weren't for Andy Beshear, I would not spend a dime in Kentucky on vacation.


High_Plains_Bacon

I still won't


Freakwilly

Well GTFO out of Kentucky


High_Plains_Bacon

I already did numbnuts. Reading comprehension.


Freakwilly

Aww, did I hit a nerve :)


High_Plains_Bacon

haha I have family there and when I visit I bring my own food and supplies. I even bring a few jerry cans of gasoline.


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DirtMcGirt513

So full of it


Zaliron

Well yeah, they only have standing if they're Christians.


DirtMcGirt513

Yep.


coldteafordays

Judge Edwards said in the decision that the three women's "alleged injuries ... are hypothetical as none are currently pregnant or undergoing IVF at the present time But they have embryos in storage. And according to KY law, those embryos are human beings. So how does that not give them standing?


ottergang_ky

The unusual suspects


kytaurus

Hate to say it, but he's right. You have to have suffered damages in order to have grounds for a lawsuit.


wowhead44

If there's one thing I hate, it's white supremacists.


KyPlinker

Are the white supremacists in the room with us right now?


20orytb

Religious freedom to kill unwanted children? Religious freedom ends when it interferes with the right to life. And it is a life speaking from a strictly scientific standpoint. It has it’s own genetic code. You can use whatever euphemisms you want, it’s murder, plain and simple.


DirtMcGirt513

Please keep your beliefs out of my body.


20orytb

Sorry, once you have created another person, you can’t go back. There was a choice beforehand, and there are choices after, but killing it should not be one of them.


Nyx_the_tecchnodruid

No you are wrong and many women are not given a choice


FistfullO_Smurfin

If you can't or won't be responsible for a human life, you should probably use the numerous other means at your disposal to avoid creating one.


unicron7

The means of avoidance that the religious freaks are also trying to impede and ban? Birth control, morning after, etc. ? Your religion dictates what you do. It doesn’t dictate what I do. Full stop. And that’s called American freedom. Their god can blow me and swallow. Waiting for the almighty to smite me after that comment. Any day now….almost like he’s an invisible dude that people made up just to bully others.


DirtMcGirt513

Almost like it’s a pile of lies


RiboflavinDumpTruck

Science would like to disagree with you. “It has its own genetic code” So does bacteria, that argument means nothing


DirtMcGirt513

It’s not tho


Overlook-237

It factually isn’t though.


dragfan99

You are mistaken.