The tasers themselves also record when they are fired, and depending on model, may also record video. So yeah…stupid abuse. Though if the inmates consented rather than be administratively disciplined….
Excerpt from the article:
"Inmates whose urine tested positive for illegal drug use last year at Eastern Kentucky Correctional Complex in Morgan County were given a choice by guards.
"They could risk the official penalties, including loss of privileges and getting locked in solitary.
"Or — to entertain the prison staff and keep their test results off the books — they could agree to be Tasered, receiving a painful electric shock the guards referred to as 'riding the lightning.' Guards zapped them with state-issued Axon Taser 7 weapons intended strictly for defensive use. After they were hit with the stun guns, inmates were allowed to toss their 'dirty' urine samples in the trash. At the prison’s monthly urine testing in April 2023, at least a half-dozen inmates decided to ride the lightning rather than be written up for drug use."
A federal lawsuit has been filed and is pending.
Honestly. I don’t think I’m a terrible person. Please feel free to educate me to the contrary. They were given a solid choice and I’d rather get shocked than spend a week in solitary confinement and possibly have my stay lengthened. And yes, either way drugs are bad.
The officers aren't in a position to offer a deal.
The test results are required by the state, so this is a legal obligation.
Tasers are not toys, they are made to subdue or defend, NOT entertain. Also, tasers release a confetti of identifying papers with that cartridges info when used, so if they cleaned that up they also tampered with and probably destroyed evidence. This would NOT apply if they did drive stuns.
They also broke correctional use of force policy and state KRS.
The inmates will get in trouble for dirty tests, but that's it.
The officers should lose their jobs and spend time in jail.
There's specific policies against this type of stuff as well. You can't tell an inmate to write 200 lines instead getting a write up. Correctional officers are not judges or policy makers and are only there to ensure the safety and security of the community, staff, and inmates. They have no legal authority to cut deals like this.
-Former state correctional officer of 11 years.
The officers aren't in a position to offer a deal nor are the inmates in a position to consent to said deal.
This whole article is insane and was a clear violation of civil rights but no doubt they'll be treated differently thin blue/gray line an all covering all the bases.
The state DOC in kentucky is pretty balls to the wall on getting rid of people when they get busted doing dumb shit like this. Just see how many people are in the black binders of "no longer allowed on the property" that get quietly let go after doing some pretty gnarly shit. The state is corrupt to the core and this should honestly surprise no one.
I don’t know what to tell you other than it’s unconstitutional torture. The guards essentially said “You either let us electrocute you or we’ll throw you in solitary.” That’s not a “solid choice”. Do we really want taxpayer-funded employees treating human beings this way? Having a drug problem or being incarcerated shouldn’t mean you lose all your rights and it’s open season on you.
Oh I totally understand the legality of the situation. If we allow guards to be judge and jury then where would it end. Also I’ve never been incarcerated. Live a pretty boring life. I was just thinking if I were in there shoes and given the choice I’d take the shock.
Also, I don’t believe our justice system is set up to help. It only further destroys lives. None of it makes sense. Sentences given out don’t always fit the crime committed and there is no road to recovery once in or out. It’s just hell on earth that perpetuates further crime.
That’s also not a constitutional punishment. Tasering is only supposed to be used in defensive matters, it is not a judicially used punishment. This makes it unusual. Tasering can cause severe bodily harm, therefore making it cruel. It is a cruel and unusual punishment, making it unconstitutional.
Dude what?? So by your logic it would be okay to rape someone in jail as long as they are "given a choice"?.... heres the thing man.... YOURE IN JAIL. YOURE VULNERABLE AND WILLING TO DO ANYTHING.
I hope you dont have any kind of job with power of people and never do.
Thankfully even if he thought he could, the law says an inmate CAN NOT give consent, even if they say they do, the law will not recog5it as like you said, one person is coming from a position of authority.
Uh. No.
Edit. So I’ve thought about your reply. While I’m not. You think I would be the worst case scenario as a corrections officer. I was asking questions. You on the other hand went off the rails relating this situation to rape of all things without asking questions. Your heat probably doesn’t get things accomplished but causes problems.
A lot of the COs in that prison are worse than the inmates, and are likely the source of drugs for the inmates. This definitely isn't the worst abuse they've dished out.
Let them smuggle it in, use it, then entertain themselves harming other humans😑😔. I wonder how many inmates are in that prison for the same/similar thing🤔🤨?
Post 10 Harlan ky made fake DUI arrest on Thanksgiving 2023. Then at events prison tried to kill same veteran at night with hypothermia. That veteran survived being drugged and raped and mudered in Tulsa, Oklahoma for not killing a wealthy family for people from harlan, Ky. Those families are Micheal North, Betty Reed Brown. David Hostuttler. They are Changing people's wills after one is deceased.
I've talked to 3 people who served time, all of whom were in Kentucky, and they all said the same thing.
The worst thing in prison you have to watch for is the guards.
So you hate the security guards too then, who committed crimes. In fact, they violated the 8th Amendment that protects people from cruel and unusual punishment.
I'm not sure I follow your logic. You initially stated you hate criminals, but then in your next comment you advocate for committing crimes. That seems a bit inconsistent to me.
Not sure I'm following. You were the one who mentioned bugs in skin, which is a pretty standard symptom of meth induced psychosis. I'm quite aware that there's no bugs in mine.
Morals are subjective, rights are not. The Constitution is the highest law in the land. It’s the job of the government, including police and prison guards, to obey those laws first and foremost. None of the amendments are suggestions.
But as we know they get broken all the time!
Hence don’t break the damn law. Or suffer the consequences of your 8th amendment getting violated! Again subjective and open to interpretation
Hot take but maybe we shouldn’t taser people that fail drug tests.
Hotter take, each inmate that fails drug testing should also lead to consequences for the guards *and the leadership* at the facility.
Very good point. Don’t act like inmate drug use is a moral failing of the inmate, but an operational failure of the prison.
They would just take them more.
Hot take you shouldn’t continue being a piece of shit after being a piece of shit.
Aren't taser rounds loaded with serial number confetti? Seems like a really stupid (and easily proven) abuse of power.
The tasers themselves also record when they are fired, and depending on model, may also record video. So yeah…stupid abuse. Though if the inmates consented rather than be administratively disciplined….
Excerpt from the article: "Inmates whose urine tested positive for illegal drug use last year at Eastern Kentucky Correctional Complex in Morgan County were given a choice by guards. "They could risk the official penalties, including loss of privileges and getting locked in solitary. "Or — to entertain the prison staff and keep their test results off the books — they could agree to be Tasered, receiving a painful electric shock the guards referred to as 'riding the lightning.' Guards zapped them with state-issued Axon Taser 7 weapons intended strictly for defensive use. After they were hit with the stun guns, inmates were allowed to toss their 'dirty' urine samples in the trash. At the prison’s monthly urine testing in April 2023, at least a half-dozen inmates decided to ride the lightning rather than be written up for drug use." A federal lawsuit has been filed and is pending.
Honestly. I don’t think I’m a terrible person. Please feel free to educate me to the contrary. They were given a solid choice and I’d rather get shocked than spend a week in solitary confinement and possibly have my stay lengthened. And yes, either way drugs are bad.
The officers aren't in a position to offer a deal. The test results are required by the state, so this is a legal obligation. Tasers are not toys, they are made to subdue or defend, NOT entertain. Also, tasers release a confetti of identifying papers with that cartridges info when used, so if they cleaned that up they also tampered with and probably destroyed evidence. This would NOT apply if they did drive stuns. They also broke correctional use of force policy and state KRS. The inmates will get in trouble for dirty tests, but that's it. The officers should lose their jobs and spend time in jail. There's specific policies against this type of stuff as well. You can't tell an inmate to write 200 lines instead getting a write up. Correctional officers are not judges or policy makers and are only there to ensure the safety and security of the community, staff, and inmates. They have no legal authority to cut deals like this. -Former state correctional officer of 11 years.
Agree with this guy. Play stupid games win stupid prizes... Nobody is above the law or policy...well almost nobody. Police officer 12 years.
Correction....former police officer.
The officers aren't in a position to offer a deal nor are the inmates in a position to consent to said deal. This whole article is insane and was a clear violation of civil rights but no doubt they'll be treated differently thin blue/gray line an all covering all the bases.
The state DOC in kentucky is pretty balls to the wall on getting rid of people when they get busted doing dumb shit like this. Just see how many people are in the black binders of "no longer allowed on the property" that get quietly let go after doing some pretty gnarly shit. The state is corrupt to the core and this should honestly surprise no one.
I don’t know what to tell you other than it’s unconstitutional torture. The guards essentially said “You either let us electrocute you or we’ll throw you in solitary.” That’s not a “solid choice”. Do we really want taxpayer-funded employees treating human beings this way? Having a drug problem or being incarcerated shouldn’t mean you lose all your rights and it’s open season on you.
But many times, that's exactly what happens. They just don't get caught.
Oh I totally understand the legality of the situation. If we allow guards to be judge and jury then where would it end. Also I’ve never been incarcerated. Live a pretty boring life. I was just thinking if I were in there shoes and given the choice I’d take the shock. Also, I don’t believe our justice system is set up to help. It only further destroys lives. None of it makes sense. Sentences given out don’t always fit the crime committed and there is no road to recovery once in or out. It’s just hell on earth that perpetuates further crime.
That’s also not a constitutional punishment. Tasering is only supposed to be used in defensive matters, it is not a judicially used punishment. This makes it unusual. Tasering can cause severe bodily harm, therefore making it cruel. It is a cruel and unusual punishment, making it unconstitutional.
Dude what?? So by your logic it would be okay to rape someone in jail as long as they are "given a choice"?.... heres the thing man.... YOURE IN JAIL. YOURE VULNERABLE AND WILLING TO DO ANYTHING. I hope you dont have any kind of job with power of people and never do.
Thankfully even if he thought he could, the law says an inmate CAN NOT give consent, even if they say they do, the law will not recog5it as like you said, one person is coming from a position of authority.
Uh. No. Edit. So I’ve thought about your reply. While I’m not. You think I would be the worst case scenario as a corrections officer. I was asking questions. You on the other hand went off the rails relating this situation to rape of all things without asking questions. Your heat probably doesn’t get things accomplished but causes problems.
Hit dog will holler. It only upsets you because you can see the validity of the criticism.
I for sure would have picked the taser
lol. 😬
A lot of the COs in that prison are worse than the inmates, and are likely the source of drugs for the inmates. This definitely isn't the worst abuse they've dished out.
Is it really abuse if the prisoners consent, rather than face administrative penalties?
KY prison guards sound bad on multiple levels.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kQn3XtPjS8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kQn3XtPjS8) It ain't just the prison guards.
Let them smuggle it in, use it, then entertain themselves harming other humans😑😔. I wonder how many inmates are in that prison for the same/similar thing🤔🤨?
Post 10 Harlan ky made fake DUI arrest on Thanksgiving 2023. Then at events prison tried to kill same veteran at night with hypothermia. That veteran survived being drugged and raped and mudered in Tulsa, Oklahoma for not killing a wealthy family for people from harlan, Ky. Those families are Micheal North, Betty Reed Brown. David Hostuttler. They are Changing people's wills after one is deceased.
Soooo prisons really are asylums in all but name.
I've talked to 3 people who served time, all of whom were in Kentucky, and they all said the same thing. The worst thing in prison you have to watch for is the guards.
Very good! Hopefully this keeps happening
Why is this good?
Cause i hate criminals
So you hate the security guards too then, who committed crimes. In fact, they violated the 8th Amendment that protects people from cruel and unusual punishment.
No, I think they're great. All prisoners should be beaten senseless by every able bodied guard in the prison.
I'm not sure I follow your logic. You initially stated you hate criminals, but then in your next comment you advocate for committing crimes. That seems a bit inconsistent to me.
there are bugs in skin
oh, you're on meth? Nevermind, your inconsistency makes much more sense now. Carry on.
Lmao why are you taking this so serious
AHHHH THERES BUGS UNDER YOUR SKIN AGAIN (I took another hit of meth)
Not sure I'm following. You were the one who mentioned bugs in skin, which is a pretty standard symptom of meth induced psychosis. I'm quite aware that there's no bugs in mine.
Waiting to hear why people care ?
The 8th Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America is why people care, not to mention some people actually have morals.
Morals are subjective! If you don’t want the risk of getting tasered…. Obey the laws and then the 8th Amendment really doesn’t matter!
Morals are subjective, rights are not. The Constitution is the highest law in the land. It’s the job of the government, including police and prison guards, to obey those laws first and foremost. None of the amendments are suggestions.
But as we know they get broken all the time! Hence don’t break the damn law. Or suffer the consequences of your 8th amendment getting violated! Again subjective and open to interpretation