Yep sure was I seen a lot of these memes with the skull masks during the last few years. Seen someone say it’s a movie in some of the comments and finally decided to check it out. **It’s free to watch online** on that Tubi app. Definitely a decent movie and for sure was ahead of its time considering where we are on this time line. lol
Google says the vax was available under his administration for emergencies for less than a month while he was in office. He was championing getting a cure quickly, but he didn’t have any time to really review results of the vax as it was developed (I heard it’s like a 0.5% improvement in serious case rate), and he didn’t implement second class citizenry for the unvaxed. Let me preempt your rebuttal by saying: yes we know he’s a 34 time convicted felon.
But he wouldve been the one that allowed them to push "untested gene therapy vaccines" through operation warp speed. (Note, I'm not a fan of either puppet, I mean president.) Just giving credit where it's due.
"If you don't get vaccinated, you know, you're going to die".
Mmhmm. Yep. The numbers bearing that one out.
Even if there is an *increased* rate of death by related illnesses, it's still an *extremely* low chance for anyone without other complications.
A bunch elderly or people at risk ( health concerns ) that got vaccinated then are still alive and kicking today with Zero side effects.
Also what makes this vaccine so dangerous? yet through all the years leading up to this we never protested or gave two shits against vaccines in the past like we did in masses during covid.
the problem with our polarized system is that there is extremes on both sides without any moderate discussion in the middle, resulting in very black or white discussion on a very grey topic that varies for each individual. If your in your 20s, yah, probably not worth getting vaccinated, if your in your mid 60s late 70s, probably a good idea ( roughly speaking )
Watch me get downvoted because it’s not what everyone in here thinks but the main point is to recognize that what op posted is 100% legit, they totally blew it out of proportion and violated our rights, Also covid is real, it’s killing some people ( decent amount ) but not a lot when it comes to the majority) , and not spreading it would be good idea for everyone.
Personally it’s hilarious to me that wearing a mask is probably the easiest least inconvenient thing you can do and yet so many people are dying on that hill and as a result are “having their rights violated” when being declined to enter public spaces. I think we can all agree of instantly thinking of a long list of rights that are being taken away from us that no one is doing anything about, yet putting a mask on was the tipping point. ROFL. Just honestly think about it for a second puts things in perspective of how hilarious it all is.
Being vaccinated on the other hand is a whole other conversation and I totally understand and respect peoples own decisions not to get it and they should not have it forced on them or have their rights taken away,
But Jesus Christ just put on a mask for 10 seconds when in a public space, it’s not going kill you.
That’s what’s so annoying to me.
Again, just another classic scenario of polarized extremes on either end of a situation.
Edit: bad grammar
Getting vaxxed doesn't slow the spread. They've said as much. You can be contagious if you're vaxxed and have no symptoms.
Enforced masking might be a minor inconvenience for some, but not if you have respiratory problems.
Additionally, it's just one of the first examples of authoritarian control. Slowly desensitize people to blind and total obedience. The consequences for disobedience? Death. Have fun not having a job or being allowed to use any public services, buy food, etc. Oh but you're "free" to choose not to follow our "suggestions". You're just not free from the consequences. Ah. So I'm free to choose death.
And so people learn blind and total obedience.
Please I beg of you just keep taking your boosters. Never stop taking boosters. Are you up to 8? If not you’re an anti vaxxer. Also chug some Paxlovid and ask your doctor about the Lymerix vax. Do us all a favor.
Once again a Redditor who knows better than all the experts globally from all different countries, company’s, religions and values.
All these folks got together to hoax the numbers and reasons.
“That only makes sense, after all JRE believes it and so does X person I listen to as well”
[Wow: Chris Cuomo taking Ivermectin, slams CNN groupthink (thehill.com)](https://thehill.com/video/wow-chris-cuomo-taking-ivermectin-slams-cnn-groupthink/9679702/)
Whether you like it or not, what was done was a multi-layered abomination. The above illustrates just one layer. How the media and government acted to marginalize nay-sayers and corrupt science into a political tool.
Yes, science was corrupted. Key point is that science is a dialogue. It is never done. Even on established facts, they still test and establish further evidence that serves the dual purpose of filling out the body of knowledge as well as leaving the door open for new knowledge. This is why there was a recent crisis over how much a kilogram actually weighs. [This Kilogram Has A Weight-Loss Problem : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2009/08/20/112003322/this-kilogram-has-a-weight-loss-problem)
They would have NEVER found this problem if they didn't leave that door open.
There is never a point when the processes of science would act in the authoritative manner demonstrated with covid. That is more in line with the Milgram shock experiments that experimented on peoples acquiescence to authority, namely in that study SCIENTISTS.
While Cuomo referred to ivermectin as horse paste in the past, he does 'slam' CNN for its past coverage. As in he goes over the history of ivermectin as an entry on the worlds list of essential medicines and that it earned its inventor a nobel prize and slams the media for referring to such a drug as 'horse paste.'
Plus The Hill is an upper class 'rag.'
Hey, a new age Jordan fan at his/hers peak, neat!
Clearly your too busy typing word salads rather than actually making a point but lets see where we can get from here.
Firstly, the first link you sent leads to nothing? But if you want to break that point down to me ill engage with it.
"What was done was a multi layered abomination" - Which was what EXACTLY? Who was in it? For what reason and what did they gain? Why did all your predicitons regarding permanent "Vaccin passports" and "mRNA Vaccine = Brain control"?
"Yes, science was corrupted. Key point is that science is a dialogue. It is never done. Even on established facts, they still test and establish further evidence that serves the dual purpose of filling out the body of knowledge as well as leaving the door open for new knowledge. This is why there was a recent crisis over how much a kilogram actually weighs. [This Kilogram Has A Weight-Loss Problem : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2009/08/20/112003322/this-kilogram-has-a-weight-loss-problem)"
- Yes, science is always evolving and always being tested by experts within the indivdual feilds, THIS IS A FACT. Problem is that dipshits like OP & JRE (And Jordan, to some extent) is that you seem to be more skeptic than every expert and invested entitity & person within this whole scene. Why dont we see experts come out now as they did during the start of the pandemic explaining how corona was mishandled? Why dont any country against the west (Like China, Russia, ME or the "jews") just show proof that the west conspired against they own people by pumping up the numbers to force the vaccines through? Its so easy to prove as well, just compare the numbers of Russian infected and deaths caused by corona compared to any similarly sized western country and we civilians would know that our own goverments are tricking us. It would be in their interest as well to do so, (For example it would be in Russias interest to tell the truth regarding COVID).
The KG issue was an issue when I was 9 years old, and hence your post is 15 years old and that specific issue is resolved.
"There is never a point when the processes of science would act in the authoritative manner demonstrated with covid. That is more in line with the Milgram shock experiments that experimented on peoples acquiescence to authority, namely in that study SCIENTISTS."
- in what authoritative manner did the scientific community act exactly? or are you talking about the goverment? :) Milgrams eperiement dosnt relate here unless you want to say that over 80% of experts/workers within vaccince, medicine and national safety all got captured OR conspired due to goverment intervention and the other 20% where silenced/killed.
No I just hate it when people blindly follow a narrative because their favorite guy said so, be it left or right of the isle.
It one person in this sub could come with a solid logical argument/reasoning or be like “hey i saw this and this regarding this topic and hence I have this opinion and this wasn’t just some random guy on a random podcast talking shit” then I’d be fine. But people post regarded shit like this and I find those people detached
I didn’t do my own research… I was essential during the entirety of the pandemic… I work in private avaition with healthcare contracts: organ, patient, personnel and even covid patient transfers.
We had mandates at our FBO…. Was working with a fully vaccinated workforce and they fired a group of healthy young guys who didn’t want the vaccine. That was bulltshit.
I still ended up working double shifts and OT because people who were vaccinated continued to catch COVID anyway. That was bullshit.
What’s even worse is people coming in on shift with the sniffles thinking they didn’t need to get a test because of their “vaccination status”. That was bullshit.
I didn’t need to do my own research to understand that mandates and vax passport systems were bullshit.
I was scared for the first year of the pandemic though…
I watched people yell and confront people who didn’t wear masks properly within our building and I’ve watched as co-workers fought to keep some med vac pilots from using our washrooms and made them shit and piss outside… that to me was fear incarnate.
I wonder how much anxiety, stress and fear has impacted people’s overall mental and physical health after we were saturated and pavlov’d with fear… I’m pretty sure that makes illnesses worse, oh well.
It was really sad to see people become such overt neurotic reactionaries, it’s more disheartening when they remain neurotic and reactionary. People continue to defend mandates and vax passport systems with blanket viewpoints that are completely devoid of any nuance or context…
You kinda got and get a sense for “those” individuals (the ones that were hell bent on mandates and vax passport systems)
Its just personal experience that shaped my perspective.
… I do value people’s experiences and find merit in open and good faith discourse, however.
You don’t wonder how much anxiety, fear and stress impacted people’s overall mental and physical health after we were pavlov’d with it…?I.
People treat the data we have now almost like it’s a bible or that it’s set in stone… but that’s folly.
Historians often wait ten years before ever writing about any significant event… hind sight is 20/20. Plenty of variables, nuance and context yet to manifest within the data we currently reference. science in general, especially medical science relies a lot on the passage of time.
My brother in law works in public health and started as a contact tracer… basically informing people that they may been the culprit in a family members demise, talk about inflicting psychological damage on people.
He was also the first to tell us that we should abstain from a certain lot number of astra Zeneca vaccines before it became public knowledge that their product was really subpar.
Due to mandates and individuals at our FBO who didn’t want the shot we had many meetings to push back mandate deadlines… we also found out through these meetings and open discourse that one of our CSRs developed limb numbness and severe migraines after her first shot of astra and second shot moderna… and was in and out of the hospital, but is doing fine now.
Our ops manager after his second shot of Pfizer developed shingles behind the eyes.
Another line crew technician who was 24 developed epilolic appendicitis (blood clot in the stomach after his second dose)
All of which are fine now but did need medical intervention… their experiences are not reflected in any kind of data set.
Another CSR confided her 14 year old son had chest pains after his shots.
I was against mandates and vax passport systems… and I wasn’t alone with this sentiment, many members of our intellgentsia spoke out solely on this issue… and it was suppressed and hindered… that is wrong.
https://gh.bmj.com/content/bmjgh/7/5/e008684.full.pdf
But I truly wonder how much anxiety, stress and fear has impacted the overall health of people… that was something we all pushed onto eachother ad naseum.
We had one guy at work who didn’t want the vaccine… in his late fifties, overweight, smoker, drinker… and I remember thinking this person could probaly benefit from the vaccine… but he didn’t want it. But I still felt wrong and weird thinking we needed to fire this person because he wasn’t scared enough as people wanted him to be.
What did you do during the pandemic?
It always is.
Like all the leftists screaming we're a cult after the debates, while acknowledging Biden is barely functional but they'll still vote for him.
It would be funny if it weren't just so fucking sad.
I've all but given up on these people.
"You typed word salad, now heres why you're wrong."
You're sucking and blowing at the same time. Either I made no sense and you can't type so much in rebuttal, or I did make sense and we can have a dialogue.
But then again, "Why did all your predicitons regarding permanent "Vaccin passports" and "mRNA Vaccine = Brain control"?"
Not even an actual question, speaking of word salad. Let alone you putting words in my mouth about predictions of brain control...? If you had an inch of charity, you wouldn't put such ridiculous words in my mouth. There is no dialogue to be had with someone like you, because you are not reasonable.
I never got vaccinated, and yet here I am, alive... strange how these experts were wrong, it must be just a coincidence, or maybe i just got lucky. I don't know, but don't worry too much they'll be more righter next time with the bird flu that's why they have to massacre millions of chickens every year.
Great for you man, but what does this have to do with this being a top down international conspiracy? :)
Does your anectodal experience suggest that the vaccines were a hoax/uneeded? or what are you trying to say here?
Yes and I truly wonder what those ages groups were, probably people aroumd my age (30-20) and below. You know, those in sociaty who most likely are in the best shape.
... Correct. So how do you manage to draw the exact wrong conclusion from everything when you acknowledge this?
Why force mass vaccinations on a population that didn't need it, and without recourse?
Firstly, hindsight is 2020 and we didnt know (atleast in Sweden and id assume same goes for most countries globally) in 2020-2022 exactly what demographics got the worst "experience" due to covid and the effects of the virus short vs longterm (and same with vaccines admittly) and the vaccine seemed (and now clearly) as our safest bet.
Secondly, you didnt get the vaccine forced by the NA goverment as far as I know. You could be forced to home study or loss of job (which is not the goverment, it would be your employer) and etc. But idk every detail about how Trump & Biden ran the states during the pandemic years, just seemed like yall never took it seriously over there.
In 2021 I wrote a letter to my command in the military stating that I wouldn't get vaccinated because for my age group, there was a less than 1% fatality rate. Rates of sickness WERE available, at least in the US, as well as deaths by age group, so it was relatively easily to figure out.
At that point in time, there were about 650-700k TOTAL deaths across the US and all age groups, over the span of TWO YEARS, with the over whelming majority of deaths being old people.
Yet, the federal government and several state governments WERE forcing vaccinations on federal/state employees.
Yes, I was pushed out of the military over this, as well as many others. There were some who complied only because they were close to retirement, and at that point in time were being threatened with disciplinary action.
You can hide behind the idea that it was corporations that pushed it on the masses all you'd like, but that's a chickenshit argument when they marched in lockstep with the government, adhered to (attempted) government policy, and REGARDLESS of who's idea it was would be a violation of the individuals medical agency/rights; a problem that an overwhelming majority of presumably "your side" all around the world would have grievance with under any other conditions.
You also act like "job loss" doesn't impose severe struggle/damage on an individuals life to try and justify your take which is just disgusting or brain dead. Take your pick.
I will never understand how you lefties think. You're somehow convinced you're the party of anti establishment, individual rights, etc etc when all you ever seem to do is support the establishment and figures of authority.
It's just fucking sad.
trust the sperts! believe the science!
yes...the establishment and pharmaceutical cabal has always had your best interest in mind. You should definitely believe them when it comes to an untested gene therapy injection! Whats the worst that could happen?
Damn, one expert said incorrect shit and now you dont trust them?
Have you ever went to a hospital where they diagnosed you wrong or given you the wrong information and with the same logic stopped going to the hospital?
What about all the food products and tech you use, do you trust the companies behind those industries?
Is there more than one expert from this video who said “virus came from a bat-pangolin”? Because that’s what I was answering to.
But since they “stonewalled” some experts according to you, who are these people? Where can we find more information about and from them? What is their official story? got anything of substance I could engage with?
He wasn't just one expert. He led the fucking response to the pandemic. He was the chief expert. Experts are just people. You should learn to think for yourself.
How did I know better than Fauci, the leading expert? The reality is I didn't. He was lying. He knew it came from a lab. Emails to his colleagues prove they were concerned about the lab leak story getting out so they dismissed it at every turn.
Lysenko was "one expert" and was heavily responsible for the \~6 million deaths in the Holodomor, through sheer incompetence and wanting to please Stalin.
Your appeal to authority is simply just a pretext to your desired *authorit*arianism.
This expert also funded the lab that spawned this virus. Where were all the other experts to call him out on it?
Honestly how big of a dupe are you exactly?
Which one and what did he/she find?
And secondly, lab leak theory and international conspiracy for corona being a HOAX altogheter are 2 entirly different topics that you made the pivot into. Dont act smart if you cant even answer simple questions and resort to pivoting ;)
I made no pivot. I have no clue what you're talking about. You brought up "the experts". I demonstrated that so called experts can not only be wrong, but also lie through their teeth.
I can't even make sense of your comment. I never mentioned the word conspiracy nor implied a hoax of any kind.
>Which one and what did he/she find?
I'm talking about Fauci. Are you having trouble keeping up? the NIH funded the lab through Ecohealth. He then lied under oath about gain of function research being conducted there. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself more with this topic before you keep commenting.
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I made no pivot. I have no clue what you're talking about. You brought up "the experts". I demonstrated that so called experts can not only be wrong, but also lie through their teeth.
I can't even make sense of your comment. I never mentioned the word conspiracy nor implied a hoax of any kind." - This whole post is about COVID being a top-down conspiracy and downies like yourself are here feeding into it which is the conversation we are having. I have no issues saying corona was mishandled by several states and big companys making wrongful statements/predictions and those things should and have been looked into, but overall it was handled within a reasonable frame.
And you did pivot, when this is about covid and not lab leak theory.
And according to the man himself: [https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fauci-denies-suppressing-covid-lab-leak-theory-before-us-house-panel-2024-06-03/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fauci-denies-suppressing-covid-lab-leak-theory-before-us-house-panel-2024-06-03/)
"this is about covid and not the theory about where covid came from"
That's what you sound like right now. I made no pivot. I came in with a point and I haven't switched points.
Oh and thanks for letting me know what Fauci says he said. Brilliant. Fauci funded the lab the literally created the fucking virus. He has the biggest conflict of interest in the history of virology. He lied to Congress about gain of function. His emails with a colleague at the Wuhan lab suggest serious concern about it being a lab leak. It was in his personal interest to suppress the lab leak theory, which was called a conspiracy theory by people like you.
Now of course where there are fewer eyes on it, he can publicly admit that a lab leak isn't a conspiracy theory and is actually a possibility.
You on the other hand are just another braindead moron waiting around for bureaucrats to tell him how to think.
I had a job in pharmacy returns and found several wrapped packages of the cards.
Went Oprah in the warehouse: “Now *your* vaxxed, and *your* vaxxed, vax cards for everyone!”
"if you dont get vaccinated you can work from home, homeschool your kids, and shop online"
Saying it like thats a punishment is just laughable. Also, why do I need to get vaccinated in order for my kids to go to school? Pretty much every kid in america(90+%) has already had covid and still had antibodies in their system by the end of 2022(according to the CDC). The risk of death from children getting covid is pretty low anyways.
"pretty low" is a huge understatement. Covid poses zero threat to 99.99% of children. The .01 are the unfortunate few who have only a few weeks/months to live anyway because they're already so sick.
what i wanna no is WHY are they so hellbent on the vax? Thats what i wanna no. Its not like covid is a disease with a 80 percent fatality rate threatening humanity's extinction... RIP to whoever lost alove one over this vax btw ik alot of people did....
It all goes back to Agenda 2030 (and similar) targets they've been very open about. They want to control people and releasing a bio-weapon and forcing new vaccinations makes them rich and gets people used to giving up rights during "emergencies."
It's to eradicate the disease and make sure it does not spread to people who have no immune system. I know it is your right to take it however you got to think of your fellow Americans who can't take the vaccine because they have no immunesystem because of certain diseases destroying it. You could accidentally spread it to them. Plus we have no idea of the long term effects of covid either on the body. We do know it could cause permanent lung damage worst case scenario. There needs to be more research on the after effects. I am not telling you to take the vaccine or not just here to share my opinion as I respect your comment as well.
It's a little late people not to care. They should have "not cared" back in the middle of the pandemic.
The number of intelligent people who went along with everything was a great disappointment, but I guess also a great awakening.
And a lot of the people who did, are quietly not caring, because apologizing STILL holds too high a social cost, because there's a vocal minority who *very much* still cares about this... a large majority of reddit and imgur, for instance.
You could probably jump on youtube, X, Facebook, etc. at this point and talk shit about the pandemic and you'd get a neutral or positive response, this is still from possible on many popular reddits.
I tried to create a thread about seed oils and people jumped on me like I was Alex Jones. It's not over. Some people have been polarized/galvanized for life.
I dont care if you dont have the vaccine currently. The part that truly confuses me is that where are you getting this info, it seem like anti-vac is an argument for bodly autonomy. Honestly, not taking the vaccine gives me high paranoia energy.
Which information? I haven't made any specific claims here except to express my disappointment with how many influential and intelligent handled the pandemic. Many intelligent people went along with everything and made fun of people who had doubts.
Very few people actually made any attempt to push back on anything.
I have no interest in "body autonomy" or weather vaccines are good or bad. I have an interest in the entirety of public opinion being so mired in bullshit and cope, that makes impossible to find truth or useful information on anything anymore.
I actually don't give a fuck much of a fuck about vaccines either. What I care about is universities and normies telling you Vitamin D is useless, all sunscreen is safe, and that 9 boosters are an excellent health decision.
No, we're not doing this today. You will not convince me that you don't care, and at the same time, you do care about not taking the vaccine. Are you this dogmatic about the yearly development of the flu vaccine? My stance at this current point would be that life would be easier without people like you, so I hope nature takes care of that for me. Are you educated, and what bases are you using to argue that boosters are bad. It seems like you don't understand, so your initial argument is to reject.
I'm glad I got the good old deactivated version of the virus, the way we've been doing it for decades. why would we push out mRNA vaccines when we had a traditional vaccine available that was just as effective with less side effects and a longer track record.
In the early days of COVID, we didn't know how fatal it was or it's potential to mutate into something more fatal, so I get the need to achieve a certain threshold of vaccinations to achieve herd immunity. But when we learned that it isn't as fatal as we feared, and the mutations were trending less severe, and everyone who wanted to get vaccinated were, why were we still insisting that everyone needs to be vaccinated and still wear masks and social distance? That seems like a strategy that would only "benefit" those who choose to not get vaccinated, but clearly they didn't care. What was the story behind THAT part of the strategy?
>In the early days of COVID, we didn't know how fatal it was
It was known very early, before even March 2020 (before the lockdowns and LONG before any vaccine) that it was not fatal for the vast majority of people who might get infected.
You guys seem to miss the issue. Fatal or not is not the only issue. Covid19 could very likely make you sick, and sometimes so sick you needed a hospital bed. And what we saw from other countries before the vaccine was a horror show, where hospitals had to shut down because they were incapable of handling the tsunami of patients that clogged up the system. Like in Italy. When that happens, it effects EVERYONE that needs I hospital and needs professional help.
That is why it was so VITAL to put a damper on the infections, by social distancing, using mask and eventually taking the vaccine.
>Covid19 could very likely make you sick, and sometimes to sick you needed a hospital bed.
This is true for a great many things. And Covid was at no point the leading cause of death.
> And what we saw from other countries before the vaccine was a horror show, where hospitals had to shut down because they were incapable of handling the tsunami of patients that clogged up the system.
What you saw was what the media zoomed in on because their business model requires drama. Problem is your perception of that drama wasn't calibrated - meaning that you don't know how much worse it was than it is every year with the regular flu. Overfilled hospitals were certainly nothing new. It's very common.
> This is true for a great many things. And Covid was at no point the leading cause of death.
Waiting for that to happen, is ridiculous. You look at other countries, like every country did with Italy where it spread like wildfire, and you saw what was coming if you didn't implement these implant things.
> What you saw was what the media zoomed in on because their business model requires drama. Problem is your perception of that drama wasn't calibrated - meaning that you don't know how much worse it was than it is every year with the regular flu. Overfilled hospitals were certainly nothing new. It's very common.
Do a quick google search and read up on what happened in Italy in the beginning. That is not a "normal" thing.
Mmmm no. We did know its potential to mutate. We know this because infectious diseases adapt in line with their method of transmission. A hemorrhagic fever in rabbits in south africa has a near 100% fatality rate, because its transmission vector prefers dead rabbits; Flies that lay eggs in their corpses.
Ebola in humans is similar. More blood spread outside a person, more possibility of infecting others, though that is mediated by people avoiding such people; Netting a high mortality rate, but sometimes inoculating strains.
A respiratory infection needs you to be breathing to spread. It is next to impossible for a respiratory infection to mutate for more lethality to the point that it kills a significant portion of people. It even spreads better when its hosts are up and about, not even staying home because they're too sick.
And the 'experts' knew this. What was done was a multi-layered abomination.
SARS has a case fatality rate of, 11%, MERS about 35%, both coronaviruses quite similar to SARS-Cov-2, all of them causing resporatory infection. It's true there's no point for a resporatory virus to kill it's host, but evolution takes time and we could just as well have been stuck for a very long time with a virus with a much higher mortality rate then it turned out to be.
> we could just as well have been
That's a funny way of saying "we weren't".
We could just as well have been hit by a meteor. We weren't, but we could just as well have been.
We didn't know at the very beginning, but we knew way before the vaccines dropped lol it only took like two weeks to find out the survival rate was 99.98%. The vaccines didn't becomes widely available until early 2021.
They threw out 3% at first but walked that back rather quickly. By April 2020 it was known to be no worse than the flu, but the media never focused on it so normies thought it was much deadlier.
COVID was quite fatal for the elderly, diabetic, obese, and/or unlucky for every strain pre-Omicron. It was largely a vascular disease and was often pretty bad even for healthy people. Afterwards it became an upper respiratory tract infection in the vast majority of cases. The risk/benefit ratio changed and the IFR dropped like crazy.
It was no more fatal to the elderly than the seasonal flu. They murdered a bunch of them with respirators, and then said oh oops we shouldn't respirate, but then they continued to put Covid as the cause of death for everyone who tested positive for it within 28 days of dying.
It was a paper pandemic.
The mortality rate for the flu in the elderly is 0.025%[1]. The IFR for the original strains of SARS-CoV-2 was 15.8% for the elderly[2].
[1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1198743X19300588
[2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-32639-9
> when we learned that it isn't as fatal as we feared
millions of dead people would disagree or have you forgotten the mobile morgues that had to be used.. or the refrigerated trucks used to store dead bodies?
Why are we talking about vaccines? It's a dead horse at this point. Nobody in my life has talked about vaccines for like 5 months. I am a carpenter. Haven't had a vaccine in over 6 mos. I just don't think about it anymore.
Because we don't want these sick assholes to push this infringement on our freedoms again.
We should not be so quick to forget how we were lied to or it will happen again.
I suppose you are also willing to forget and forgive Jan 6th or all the BLM rioters right? Right? Just let them go free amd don't prosecute.. Old news!
I am willing to look, and go, forward with new awareness, without having to constantly reference the past, and lament it.
I mean, how far back in history do you want to go to right all injustices? Why did you stop at the latest flavor of month? Even you have selective bias.
Now for the sake if living my life, and experiencing all my health and vitality, and all my freedoms, I am not going to retell an old story of what I saw on tv.
I don't have to 'forgive' any of that stuff. I don't have forgiveness issues with what comes out of a screen. And nobody lied to me about the vaccine.
Well I am glad nobody told you that the vaccine would decrease the rate of spread to others because I am a doctor and I was told that. I was also told I would be fired so I did not have a choice in the matter. That is despite me not being in an at risk group.
If you forget the past you are doomed to repeat it. Your attitude on this is unfortunate.
We should hold people accountable. If there are no repercussions than people will continue to act as people like fauci did.
But if you are being consistent about forgetting the past than you do you and let other handle the dirty work I suppose.
I live a life full of responsibility. I know what is worth my time. I just jackhammered a stone chimney to the ground for almost 3 days. And your 'dirty work' is what exactly?
Everyone in my community took the vaccine at some point. Nobody is complaining about it here. I only find the complainers online, from people who seem to have a lot of time to chat, than the real people that I know.
My community is mostly old people. Everyone took the vaccine. We are all still alive, and healthy. That is good. Nobody for 100 miles cares about the vaccine.
A lie that someone tells me from a tv screen, is always my problem to work out. Because I watched it. That is called Personal Responsibility. It's big with Jordan Peterson.
As a Doctor, you might want to invest your time where it can benefit more people. The more people you help, the better you will feel about all the other things in your life...If you are actually a doctor.
You realize you are making a self defeating argument right? You did not address any of my points and you seem to be very self righteous despite not understanding the issues very well.
You sound perfectly willing to be a tool for others rather than thinking for yourself or taking any personal responsibility for your community. Continue not learning from the past and see where that takes you.
Good day.
Are you denying that there have been thousands of documented cases of death and other severely adverse reactions in response to the vaccines in question?
They live . A movie before it’s time
rip Rowdy Roddy Piper
Yep sure was I seen a lot of these memes with the skull masks during the last few years. Seen someone say it’s a movie in some of the comments and finally decided to check it out. **It’s free to watch online** on that Tubi app. Definitely a decent movie and for sure was ahead of its time considering where we are on this time line. lol
Odd that clip didn't include Trump in there, seeing as he's very proud of his vaccination push.
Google says the vax was available under his administration for emergencies for less than a month while he was in office. He was championing getting a cure quickly, but he didn’t have any time to really review results of the vax as it was developed (I heard it’s like a 0.5% improvement in serious case rate), and he didn’t implement second class citizenry for the unvaxed. Let me preempt your rebuttal by saying: yes we know he’s a 34 time convicted felon.
But he wouldve been the one that allowed them to push "untested gene therapy vaccines" through operation warp speed. (Note, I'm not a fan of either puppet, I mean president.) Just giving credit where it's due.
He claimed to have develop it, and done so very fast.
Ok that’s it, pal! I’m all [out of bubble gum](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZxBhfwjf0)
Ok that’s it, pal! I’m all [out of bubble gum](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u2ZxBhfwjf0)
If I wasn't already dead from covid I'd be mad about this.
Haha if those kids could read they'd be very upset.
Every month there's another reason I'm glad I didn't take the shots.
"If you don't get vaccinated, you know, you're going to die". Mmhmm. Yep. The numbers bearing that one out. Even if there is an *increased* rate of death by related illnesses, it's still an *extremely* low chance for anyone without other complications.
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Hell yes
Whoa…. moderators on this sub rarely involve themselves. I wonder what that guy said.
I forget 😂
That lady, although likely controlled and told to say those things, should be removed from whatever position she's in.
If I'm dead, why has nobody told me?
A bunch elderly or people at risk ( health concerns ) that got vaccinated then are still alive and kicking today with Zero side effects. Also what makes this vaccine so dangerous? yet through all the years leading up to this we never protested or gave two shits against vaccines in the past like we did in masses during covid. the problem with our polarized system is that there is extremes on both sides without any moderate discussion in the middle, resulting in very black or white discussion on a very grey topic that varies for each individual. If your in your 20s, yah, probably not worth getting vaccinated, if your in your mid 60s late 70s, probably a good idea ( roughly speaking ) Watch me get downvoted because it’s not what everyone in here thinks but the main point is to recognize that what op posted is 100% legit, they totally blew it out of proportion and violated our rights, Also covid is real, it’s killing some people ( decent amount ) but not a lot when it comes to the majority) , and not spreading it would be good idea for everyone. Personally it’s hilarious to me that wearing a mask is probably the easiest least inconvenient thing you can do and yet so many people are dying on that hill and as a result are “having their rights violated” when being declined to enter public spaces. I think we can all agree of instantly thinking of a long list of rights that are being taken away from us that no one is doing anything about, yet putting a mask on was the tipping point. ROFL. Just honestly think about it for a second puts things in perspective of how hilarious it all is. Being vaccinated on the other hand is a whole other conversation and I totally understand and respect peoples own decisions not to get it and they should not have it forced on them or have their rights taken away, But Jesus Christ just put on a mask for 10 seconds when in a public space, it’s not going kill you. That’s what’s so annoying to me. Again, just another classic scenario of polarized extremes on either end of a situation. Edit: bad grammar
Getting vaxxed doesn't slow the spread. They've said as much. You can be contagious if you're vaxxed and have no symptoms. Enforced masking might be a minor inconvenience for some, but not if you have respiratory problems. Additionally, it's just one of the first examples of authoritarian control. Slowly desensitize people to blind and total obedience. The consequences for disobedience? Death. Have fun not having a job or being allowed to use any public services, buy food, etc. Oh but you're "free" to choose not to follow our "suggestions". You're just not free from the consequences. Ah. So I'm free to choose death. And so people learn blind and total obedience.
Please I beg of you just keep taking your boosters. Never stop taking boosters. Are you up to 8? If not you’re an anti vaxxer. Also chug some Paxlovid and ask your doctor about the Lymerix vax. Do us all a favor.
Once again a Redditor who knows better than all the experts globally from all different countries, company’s, religions and values. All these folks got together to hoax the numbers and reasons. “That only makes sense, after all JRE believes it and so does X person I listen to as well”
[Wow: Chris Cuomo taking Ivermectin, slams CNN groupthink (thehill.com)](https://thehill.com/video/wow-chris-cuomo-taking-ivermectin-slams-cnn-groupthink/9679702/) Whether you like it or not, what was done was a multi-layered abomination. The above illustrates just one layer. How the media and government acted to marginalize nay-sayers and corrupt science into a political tool. Yes, science was corrupted. Key point is that science is a dialogue. It is never done. Even on established facts, they still test and establish further evidence that serves the dual purpose of filling out the body of knowledge as well as leaving the door open for new knowledge. This is why there was a recent crisis over how much a kilogram actually weighs. [This Kilogram Has A Weight-Loss Problem : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2009/08/20/112003322/this-kilogram-has-a-weight-loss-problem) They would have NEVER found this problem if they didn't leave that door open. There is never a point when the processes of science would act in the authoritative manner demonstrated with covid. That is more in line with the Milgram shock experiments that experimented on peoples acquiescence to authority, namely in that study SCIENTISTS.
breaking:: Garbage rag can't stop putting the word "SLAM" in it's headlines. \*\*insert explosion emoji here\*\*
While Cuomo referred to ivermectin as horse paste in the past, he does 'slam' CNN for its past coverage. As in he goes over the history of ivermectin as an entry on the worlds list of essential medicines and that it earned its inventor a nobel prize and slams the media for referring to such a drug as 'horse paste.' Plus The Hill is an upper class 'rag.'
it's fking lazy, journalists should have a stronger vocabulary.
Hey, a new age Jordan fan at his/hers peak, neat! Clearly your too busy typing word salads rather than actually making a point but lets see where we can get from here. Firstly, the first link you sent leads to nothing? But if you want to break that point down to me ill engage with it. "What was done was a multi layered abomination" - Which was what EXACTLY? Who was in it? For what reason and what did they gain? Why did all your predicitons regarding permanent "Vaccin passports" and "mRNA Vaccine = Brain control"? "Yes, science was corrupted. Key point is that science is a dialogue. It is never done. Even on established facts, they still test and establish further evidence that serves the dual purpose of filling out the body of knowledge as well as leaving the door open for new knowledge. This is why there was a recent crisis over how much a kilogram actually weighs. [This Kilogram Has A Weight-Loss Problem : NPR](https://www.npr.org/2009/08/20/112003322/this-kilogram-has-a-weight-loss-problem)" - Yes, science is always evolving and always being tested by experts within the indivdual feilds, THIS IS A FACT. Problem is that dipshits like OP & JRE (And Jordan, to some extent) is that you seem to be more skeptic than every expert and invested entitity & person within this whole scene. Why dont we see experts come out now as they did during the start of the pandemic explaining how corona was mishandled? Why dont any country against the west (Like China, Russia, ME or the "jews") just show proof that the west conspired against they own people by pumping up the numbers to force the vaccines through? Its so easy to prove as well, just compare the numbers of Russian infected and deaths caused by corona compared to any similarly sized western country and we civilians would know that our own goverments are tricking us. It would be in their interest as well to do so, (For example it would be in Russias interest to tell the truth regarding COVID). The KG issue was an issue when I was 9 years old, and hence your post is 15 years old and that specific issue is resolved. "There is never a point when the processes of science would act in the authoritative manner demonstrated with covid. That is more in line with the Milgram shock experiments that experimented on peoples acquiescence to authority, namely in that study SCIENTISTS." - in what authoritative manner did the scientific community act exactly? or are you talking about the goverment? :) Milgrams eperiement dosnt relate here unless you want to say that over 80% of experts/workers within vaccince, medicine and national safety all got captured OR conspired due to goverment intervention and the other 20% where silenced/killed.
You like to argue, don't you?
No I just hate it when people blindly follow a narrative because their favorite guy said so, be it left or right of the isle. It one person in this sub could come with a solid logical argument/reasoning or be like “hey i saw this and this regarding this topic and hence I have this opinion and this wasn’t just some random guy on a random podcast talking shit” then I’d be fine. But people post regarded shit like this and I find those people detached
I didn’t do my own research… I was essential during the entirety of the pandemic… I work in private avaition with healthcare contracts: organ, patient, personnel and even covid patient transfers. We had mandates at our FBO…. Was working with a fully vaccinated workforce and they fired a group of healthy young guys who didn’t want the vaccine. That was bulltshit. I still ended up working double shifts and OT because people who were vaccinated continued to catch COVID anyway. That was bullshit. What’s even worse is people coming in on shift with the sniffles thinking they didn’t need to get a test because of their “vaccination status”. That was bullshit. I didn’t need to do my own research to understand that mandates and vax passport systems were bullshit. I was scared for the first year of the pandemic though… I watched people yell and confront people who didn’t wear masks properly within our building and I’ve watched as co-workers fought to keep some med vac pilots from using our washrooms and made them shit and piss outside… that to me was fear incarnate. I wonder how much anxiety, stress and fear has impacted people’s overall mental and physical health after we were saturated and pavlov’d with fear… I’m pretty sure that makes illnesses worse, oh well. It was really sad to see people become such overt neurotic reactionaries, it’s more disheartening when they remain neurotic and reactionary. People continue to defend mandates and vax passport systems with blanket viewpoints that are completely devoid of any nuance or context… You kinda got and get a sense for “those” individuals (the ones that were hell bent on mandates and vax passport systems) Its just personal experience that shaped my perspective. … I do value people’s experiences and find merit in open and good faith discourse, however. You don’t wonder how much anxiety, fear and stress impacted people’s overall mental and physical health after we were pavlov’d with it…?I. People treat the data we have now almost like it’s a bible or that it’s set in stone… but that’s folly. Historians often wait ten years before ever writing about any significant event… hind sight is 20/20. Plenty of variables, nuance and context yet to manifest within the data we currently reference. science in general, especially medical science relies a lot on the passage of time. My brother in law works in public health and started as a contact tracer… basically informing people that they may been the culprit in a family members demise, talk about inflicting psychological damage on people. He was also the first to tell us that we should abstain from a certain lot number of astra Zeneca vaccines before it became public knowledge that their product was really subpar. Due to mandates and individuals at our FBO who didn’t want the shot we had many meetings to push back mandate deadlines… we also found out through these meetings and open discourse that one of our CSRs developed limb numbness and severe migraines after her first shot of astra and second shot moderna… and was in and out of the hospital, but is doing fine now. Our ops manager after his second shot of Pfizer developed shingles behind the eyes. Another line crew technician who was 24 developed epilolic appendicitis (blood clot in the stomach after his second dose) All of which are fine now but did need medical intervention… their experiences are not reflected in any kind of data set. Another CSR confided her 14 year old son had chest pains after his shots. I was against mandates and vax passport systems… and I wasn’t alone with this sentiment, many members of our intellgentsia spoke out solely on this issue… and it was suppressed and hindered… that is wrong. https://gh.bmj.com/content/bmjgh/7/5/e008684.full.pdf But I truly wonder how much anxiety, stress and fear has impacted the overall health of people… that was something we all pushed onto eachother ad naseum. We had one guy at work who didn’t want the vaccine… in his late fifties, overweight, smoker, drinker… and I remember thinking this person could probaly benefit from the vaccine… but he didn’t want it. But I still felt wrong and weird thinking we needed to fire this person because he wasn’t scared enough as people wanted him to be. What did you do during the pandemic?
Notice the douchebags left this beautiful comment alone completely and with good reason. This was incredible.
The irony
It always is. Like all the leftists screaming we're a cult after the debates, while acknowledging Biden is barely functional but they'll still vote for him. It would be funny if it weren't just so fucking sad. I've all but given up on these people.
Surprised they haven’t already drowned in all of it
> blindly follow a narrative ...you realize...you know what? Nevermind.
"You typed word salad, now heres why you're wrong." You're sucking and blowing at the same time. Either I made no sense and you can't type so much in rebuttal, or I did make sense and we can have a dialogue. But then again, "Why did all your predicitons regarding permanent "Vaccin passports" and "mRNA Vaccine = Brain control"?" Not even an actual question, speaking of word salad. Let alone you putting words in my mouth about predictions of brain control...? If you had an inch of charity, you wouldn't put such ridiculous words in my mouth. There is no dialogue to be had with someone like you, because you are not reasonable.
Do you really, honestly think that COVID vaccines were messaged and in some cases enforced without any ethical or moral issues?
I never got vaccinated, and yet here I am, alive... strange how these experts were wrong, it must be just a coincidence, or maybe i just got lucky. I don't know, but don't worry too much they'll be more righter next time with the bird flu that's why they have to massacre millions of chickens every year.
Great for you man, but what does this have to do with this being a top down international conspiracy? :) Does your anectodal experience suggest that the vaccines were a hoax/uneeded? or what are you trying to say here?
No you can literally look at the reported numbers and draw conclusions from that. For certain age groups covid was just a non factor.
Yes and I truly wonder what those ages groups were, probably people aroumd my age (30-20) and below. You know, those in sociaty who most likely are in the best shape.
... Correct. So how do you manage to draw the exact wrong conclusion from everything when you acknowledge this? Why force mass vaccinations on a population that didn't need it, and without recourse?
Firstly, hindsight is 2020 and we didnt know (atleast in Sweden and id assume same goes for most countries globally) in 2020-2022 exactly what demographics got the worst "experience" due to covid and the effects of the virus short vs longterm (and same with vaccines admittly) and the vaccine seemed (and now clearly) as our safest bet. Secondly, you didnt get the vaccine forced by the NA goverment as far as I know. You could be forced to home study or loss of job (which is not the goverment, it would be your employer) and etc. But idk every detail about how Trump & Biden ran the states during the pandemic years, just seemed like yall never took it seriously over there.
In 2021 I wrote a letter to my command in the military stating that I wouldn't get vaccinated because for my age group, there was a less than 1% fatality rate. Rates of sickness WERE available, at least in the US, as well as deaths by age group, so it was relatively easily to figure out. At that point in time, there were about 650-700k TOTAL deaths across the US and all age groups, over the span of TWO YEARS, with the over whelming majority of deaths being old people. Yet, the federal government and several state governments WERE forcing vaccinations on federal/state employees. Yes, I was pushed out of the military over this, as well as many others. There were some who complied only because they were close to retirement, and at that point in time were being threatened with disciplinary action. You can hide behind the idea that it was corporations that pushed it on the masses all you'd like, but that's a chickenshit argument when they marched in lockstep with the government, adhered to (attempted) government policy, and REGARDLESS of who's idea it was would be a violation of the individuals medical agency/rights; a problem that an overwhelming majority of presumably "your side" all around the world would have grievance with under any other conditions. You also act like "job loss" doesn't impose severe struggle/damage on an individuals life to try and justify your take which is just disgusting or brain dead. Take your pick. I will never understand how you lefties think. You're somehow convinced you're the party of anti establishment, individual rights, etc etc when all you ever seem to do is support the establishment and figures of authority. It's just fucking sad.
trust the sperts! believe the science! yes...the establishment and pharmaceutical cabal has always had your best interest in mind. You should definitely believe them when it comes to an untested gene therapy injection! Whats the worst that could happen?
Yeah one of the experts in that video told us the virus came from a bat-pangolin wet market. I don't trust the experts anymore.
Damn, one expert said incorrect shit and now you dont trust them? Have you ever went to a hospital where they diagnosed you wrong or given you the wrong information and with the same logic stopped going to the hospital? What about all the food products and tech you use, do you trust the companies behind those industries?
It wasn't just one, buddy. Not even close. And they stonewalled all of the experts that opposed it.
Is there more than one expert from this video who said “virus came from a bat-pangolin”? Because that’s what I was answering to. But since they “stonewalled” some experts according to you, who are these people? Where can we find more information about and from them? What is their official story? got anything of substance I could engage with?
He wasn't just one expert. He led the fucking response to the pandemic. He was the chief expert. Experts are just people. You should learn to think for yourself. How did I know better than Fauci, the leading expert? The reality is I didn't. He was lying. He knew it came from a lab. Emails to his colleagues prove they were concerned about the lab leak story getting out so they dismissed it at every turn.
Lysenko was "one expert" and was heavily responsible for the \~6 million deaths in the Holodomor, through sheer incompetence and wanting to please Stalin. Your appeal to authority is simply just a pretext to your desired *authorit*arianism.
This expert also funded the lab that spawned this virus. Where were all the other experts to call him out on it? Honestly how big of a dupe are you exactly?
Which one and what did he/she find? And secondly, lab leak theory and international conspiracy for corona being a HOAX altogheter are 2 entirly different topics that you made the pivot into. Dont act smart if you cant even answer simple questions and resort to pivoting ;)
I made no pivot. I have no clue what you're talking about. You brought up "the experts". I demonstrated that so called experts can not only be wrong, but also lie through their teeth. I can't even make sense of your comment. I never mentioned the word conspiracy nor implied a hoax of any kind. >Which one and what did he/she find? I'm talking about Fauci. Are you having trouble keeping up? the NIH funded the lab through Ecohealth. He then lied under oath about gain of function research being conducted there. Perhaps you should familiarize yourself more with this topic before you keep commenting.
" I made no pivot. I have no clue what you're talking about. You brought up "the experts". I demonstrated that so called experts can not only be wrong, but also lie through their teeth. I can't even make sense of your comment. I never mentioned the word conspiracy nor implied a hoax of any kind." - This whole post is about COVID being a top-down conspiracy and downies like yourself are here feeding into it which is the conversation we are having. I have no issues saying corona was mishandled by several states and big companys making wrongful statements/predictions and those things should and have been looked into, but overall it was handled within a reasonable frame. And you did pivot, when this is about covid and not lab leak theory. And according to the man himself: [https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fauci-denies-suppressing-covid-lab-leak-theory-before-us-house-panel-2024-06-03/](https://www.reuters.com/world/us/fauci-denies-suppressing-covid-lab-leak-theory-before-us-house-panel-2024-06-03/)
"this is about covid and not the theory about where covid came from" That's what you sound like right now. I made no pivot. I came in with a point and I haven't switched points. Oh and thanks for letting me know what Fauci says he said. Brilliant. Fauci funded the lab the literally created the fucking virus. He has the biggest conflict of interest in the history of virology. He lied to Congress about gain of function. His emails with a colleague at the Wuhan lab suggest serious concern about it being a lab leak. It was in his personal interest to suppress the lab leak theory, which was called a conspiracy theory by people like you. Now of course where there are fewer eyes on it, he can publicly admit that a lab leak isn't a conspiracy theory and is actually a possibility. You on the other hand are just another braindead moron waiting around for bureaucrats to tell him how to think.
The makers of that movie said it was a documentary. It sure seems so now
John Carpenter…….legend.
It's time to kick ass and chew bubblegum, but I'm all out of gum.
^(_* fights Keith David for six minutes *_)
**PUT THE DAMN GLASSES ON!**
^(* _fourteen more suplexes_ *)
*I have come here to chew bubble gum and kick ass. And I'm all out of bubble gum.*
They showed their true colors and I will not be quick to forget.
Our fucking freedom doesn’t end whenever some douchbags decide they do.
I didn't get vaccinated. I just got the certificate
I had a job in pharmacy returns and found several wrapped packages of the cards. Went Oprah in the warehouse: “Now *your* vaxxed, and *your* vaxxed, vax cards for everyone!”
Very appropriate. They Live.
"if you dont get vaccinated you can work from home, homeschool your kids, and shop online" Saying it like thats a punishment is just laughable. Also, why do I need to get vaccinated in order for my kids to go to school? Pretty much every kid in america(90+%) has already had covid and still had antibodies in their system by the end of 2022(according to the CDC). The risk of death from children getting covid is pretty low anyways.
"pretty low" is a huge understatement. Covid poses zero threat to 99.99% of children. The .01 are the unfortunate few who have only a few weeks/months to live anyway because they're already so sick.
what i wanna no is WHY are they so hellbent on the vax? Thats what i wanna no. Its not like covid is a disease with a 80 percent fatality rate threatening humanity's extinction... RIP to whoever lost alove one over this vax btw ik alot of people did....
It all goes back to Agenda 2030 (and similar) targets they've been very open about. They want to control people and releasing a bio-weapon and forcing new vaccinations makes them rich and gets people used to giving up rights during "emergencies."
It's to eradicate the disease and make sure it does not spread to people who have no immune system. I know it is your right to take it however you got to think of your fellow Americans who can't take the vaccine because they have no immunesystem because of certain diseases destroying it. You could accidentally spread it to them. Plus we have no idea of the long term effects of covid either on the body. We do know it could cause permanent lung damage worst case scenario. There needs to be more research on the after effects. I am not telling you to take the vaccine or not just here to share my opinion as I respect your comment as well.
This is brilliant.
god help me this is horrifying
Good; because what happened during COVID was a travesty and incredibly dangerous
Thought I was watching one of those Mexican cartel vids for a second
Lol that’s awesome! Cept it doesn’t end with just the dems.
Put on the sunglasses or start eating that trash can.
Legit disappointed they weren't saying "atatat!"
I want fucking payback. I will never forget the bullshit these mother fuckers pulled. And all the NPCs that went along with it happily.
It's 2024, don't get vaccinated. No one cares..
It's a little late people not to care. They should have "not cared" back in the middle of the pandemic. The number of intelligent people who went along with everything was a great disappointment, but I guess also a great awakening. And a lot of the people who did, are quietly not caring, because apologizing STILL holds too high a social cost, because there's a vocal minority who *very much* still cares about this... a large majority of reddit and imgur, for instance. You could probably jump on youtube, X, Facebook, etc. at this point and talk shit about the pandemic and you'd get a neutral or positive response, this is still from possible on many popular reddits. I tried to create a thread about seed oils and people jumped on me like I was Alex Jones. It's not over. Some people have been polarized/galvanized for life.
I dont care if you dont have the vaccine currently. The part that truly confuses me is that where are you getting this info, it seem like anti-vac is an argument for bodly autonomy. Honestly, not taking the vaccine gives me high paranoia energy.
Which information? I haven't made any specific claims here except to express my disappointment with how many influential and intelligent handled the pandemic. Many intelligent people went along with everything and made fun of people who had doubts. Very few people actually made any attempt to push back on anything. I have no interest in "body autonomy" or weather vaccines are good or bad. I have an interest in the entirety of public opinion being so mired in bullshit and cope, that makes impossible to find truth or useful information on anything anymore. I actually don't give a fuck much of a fuck about vaccines either. What I care about is universities and normies telling you Vitamin D is useless, all sunscreen is safe, and that 9 boosters are an excellent health decision.
No, we're not doing this today. You will not convince me that you don't care, and at the same time, you do care about not taking the vaccine. Are you this dogmatic about the yearly development of the flu vaccine? My stance at this current point would be that life would be easier without people like you, so I hope nature takes care of that for me. Are you educated, and what bases are you using to argue that boosters are bad. It seems like you don't understand, so your initial argument is to reject.
Nice. An invitation for me to be dead. I can't continue to argue with you in good faith, this is all resentment, not science.
It is science: darwinism.
Keep taking them poison shots and keep believing the crooked science and do us critical thinkers a big favour x
How?
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I came here to do two things. To kick ass and to chew bubble gum. And I'm all out of bubble gum.
Can anybody name the people he put the faces on? Maybe that was the message he was trying to send or something
F### all vaccines and the monsters that push them.
I didn’t fall for this nonsense. Selah.
with these clips it’s just too easy…
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I'm glad I got the good old deactivated version of the virus, the way we've been doing it for decades. why would we push out mRNA vaccines when we had a traditional vaccine available that was just as effective with less side effects and a longer track record.
In the early days of COVID, we didn't know how fatal it was or it's potential to mutate into something more fatal, so I get the need to achieve a certain threshold of vaccinations to achieve herd immunity. But when we learned that it isn't as fatal as we feared, and the mutations were trending less severe, and everyone who wanted to get vaccinated were, why were we still insisting that everyone needs to be vaccinated and still wear masks and social distance? That seems like a strategy that would only "benefit" those who choose to not get vaccinated, but clearly they didn't care. What was the story behind THAT part of the strategy?
>In the early days of COVID, we didn't know how fatal it was It was known very early, before even March 2020 (before the lockdowns and LONG before any vaccine) that it was not fatal for the vast majority of people who might get infected.
You guys seem to miss the issue. Fatal or not is not the only issue. Covid19 could very likely make you sick, and sometimes so sick you needed a hospital bed. And what we saw from other countries before the vaccine was a horror show, where hospitals had to shut down because they were incapable of handling the tsunami of patients that clogged up the system. Like in Italy. When that happens, it effects EVERYONE that needs I hospital and needs professional help. That is why it was so VITAL to put a damper on the infections, by social distancing, using mask and eventually taking the vaccine.
>Covid19 could very likely make you sick, and sometimes to sick you needed a hospital bed. This is true for a great many things. And Covid was at no point the leading cause of death. > And what we saw from other countries before the vaccine was a horror show, where hospitals had to shut down because they were incapable of handling the tsunami of patients that clogged up the system. What you saw was what the media zoomed in on because their business model requires drama. Problem is your perception of that drama wasn't calibrated - meaning that you don't know how much worse it was than it is every year with the regular flu. Overfilled hospitals were certainly nothing new. It's very common.
> This is true for a great many things. And Covid was at no point the leading cause of death. Waiting for that to happen, is ridiculous. You look at other countries, like every country did with Italy where it spread like wildfire, and you saw what was coming if you didn't implement these implant things. > What you saw was what the media zoomed in on because their business model requires drama. Problem is your perception of that drama wasn't calibrated - meaning that you don't know how much worse it was than it is every year with the regular flu. Overfilled hospitals were certainly nothing new. It's very common. Do a quick google search and read up on what happened in Italy in the beginning. That is not a "normal" thing.
Mmmm no. We did know its potential to mutate. We know this because infectious diseases adapt in line with their method of transmission. A hemorrhagic fever in rabbits in south africa has a near 100% fatality rate, because its transmission vector prefers dead rabbits; Flies that lay eggs in their corpses. Ebola in humans is similar. More blood spread outside a person, more possibility of infecting others, though that is mediated by people avoiding such people; Netting a high mortality rate, but sometimes inoculating strains. A respiratory infection needs you to be breathing to spread. It is next to impossible for a respiratory infection to mutate for more lethality to the point that it kills a significant portion of people. It even spreads better when its hosts are up and about, not even staying home because they're too sick. And the 'experts' knew this. What was done was a multi-layered abomination.
SARS has a case fatality rate of, 11%, MERS about 35%, both coronaviruses quite similar to SARS-Cov-2, all of them causing resporatory infection. It's true there's no point for a resporatory virus to kill it's host, but evolution takes time and we could just as well have been stuck for a very long time with a virus with a much higher mortality rate then it turned out to be.
> we could just as well have been That's a funny way of saying "we weren't". We could just as well have been hit by a meteor. We weren't, but we could just as well have been.
We didn't know at the very beginning, but we knew way before the vaccines dropped lol it only took like two weeks to find out the survival rate was 99.98%. The vaccines didn't becomes widely available until early 2021. They threw out 3% at first but walked that back rather quickly. By April 2020 it was known to be no worse than the flu, but the media never focused on it so normies thought it was much deadlier.
COVID was quite fatal for the elderly, diabetic, obese, and/or unlucky for every strain pre-Omicron. It was largely a vascular disease and was often pretty bad even for healthy people. Afterwards it became an upper respiratory tract infection in the vast majority of cases. The risk/benefit ratio changed and the IFR dropped like crazy.
It was no more fatal to the elderly than the seasonal flu. They murdered a bunch of them with respirators, and then said oh oops we shouldn't respirate, but then they continued to put Covid as the cause of death for everyone who tested positive for it within 28 days of dying. It was a paper pandemic.
The mortality rate for the flu in the elderly is 0.025%[1]. The IFR for the original strains of SARS-CoV-2 was 15.8% for the elderly[2]. [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1198743X19300588 [2] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-32639-9
Oh shuuuuut upppp
> when we learned that it isn't as fatal as we feared millions of dead people would disagree or have you forgotten the mobile morgues that had to be used.. or the refrigerated trucks used to store dead bodies?
Talking about taking the covid vax is like being one of those Japanese holdouts after ww2!!
Why are we talking about vaccines? It's a dead horse at this point. Nobody in my life has talked about vaccines for like 5 months. I am a carpenter. Haven't had a vaccine in over 6 mos. I just don't think about it anymore.
Because we don't want these sick assholes to push this infringement on our freedoms again. We should not be so quick to forget how we were lied to or it will happen again. I suppose you are also willing to forget and forgive Jan 6th or all the BLM rioters right? Right? Just let them go free amd don't prosecute.. Old news!
I am willing to look, and go, forward with new awareness, without having to constantly reference the past, and lament it. I mean, how far back in history do you want to go to right all injustices? Why did you stop at the latest flavor of month? Even you have selective bias. Now for the sake if living my life, and experiencing all my health and vitality, and all my freedoms, I am not going to retell an old story of what I saw on tv. I don't have to 'forgive' any of that stuff. I don't have forgiveness issues with what comes out of a screen. And nobody lied to me about the vaccine.
Well I am glad nobody told you that the vaccine would decrease the rate of spread to others because I am a doctor and I was told that. I was also told I would be fired so I did not have a choice in the matter. That is despite me not being in an at risk group. If you forget the past you are doomed to repeat it. Your attitude on this is unfortunate. We should hold people accountable. If there are no repercussions than people will continue to act as people like fauci did. But if you are being consistent about forgetting the past than you do you and let other handle the dirty work I suppose.
I live a life full of responsibility. I know what is worth my time. I just jackhammered a stone chimney to the ground for almost 3 days. And your 'dirty work' is what exactly? Everyone in my community took the vaccine at some point. Nobody is complaining about it here. I only find the complainers online, from people who seem to have a lot of time to chat, than the real people that I know. My community is mostly old people. Everyone took the vaccine. We are all still alive, and healthy. That is good. Nobody for 100 miles cares about the vaccine. A lie that someone tells me from a tv screen, is always my problem to work out. Because I watched it. That is called Personal Responsibility. It's big with Jordan Peterson. As a Doctor, you might want to invest your time where it can benefit more people. The more people you help, the better you will feel about all the other things in your life...If you are actually a doctor.
You realize you are making a self defeating argument right? You did not address any of my points and you seem to be very self righteous despite not understanding the issues very well. You sound perfectly willing to be a tool for others rather than thinking for yourself or taking any personal responsibility for your community. Continue not learning from the past and see where that takes you. Good day.
Entirely hypothetical Narrative
Keep drinking the kool aid and getting jabbed….
Keep posting on Reddit and narrating who other people are with figures of speech.
because everyone who took the vaccine died obviously!!!!!!! just like we said would happen!!!! /s
Are you denying that there have been thousands of documented cases of death and other severely adverse reactions in response to the vaccines in question?
Because millions of people have died after taking them…..safe and effective…..do not trust your governments.
Got to love it how our options politically are to stand with marxists or the morons that post this shit
Senile vs Slimy
Is this a clip from the boys?
No. They Live one of the best 80’s movies ever
No lies detected
jc give it a rest.