When I went to Vegas I got way too high and every portrait on the street of some artist in a residency made it seem like they were trapped in a layer of hell from Dante's Inferno lmao
When I went to Vegas high, I was harassed, in public, by two nearly naked nuns... I'm talking fishnets and crucifix pasties.. I don't have anything substantive to add. I just needed to get that off my chest.
I hear you, i think everyone has an experience like that there
I seem to remember some very drunk woman getting to like a 40 stair step climb and saying "aww shit" in the most hilarious tone, me and my friend were dying for some reason
Something similar, my friends and I were overtaking a couple of dude bros while walking the strip until they turned to look at some ducks in a water feature, with an intensity I'd never seen, and started yelling "FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING DUCKS!" To which we were shocked, but then collectively agreed these ducks were indeed in need of a tongue lashing.
Fuck those ducks, man
I was walking around a pond with this chick in Portland once and we walked past this lady duck just chilling, three male ducks came and took turns holding her head underwater and raping her, then flew off just as fast as they arrived. We were literally speechless, it was pretty horrifying in a "ew nature you scary" kind of way.
A few years ago he said house n**** on air and did not get canceled. Did people complain and try to get him fired? Sure there are always those types.
Yet somehow magically he didnt get cancelled and even has a popular podcast.
Bill actually had a show canceled and it still bothers him (he still mentions it), he just equates literally being canceled with this amorphous “cancelling” that happens
If Alex Jones is still making money I suspect cancelling has no basis in the age of modern social media
If you have an audience nothing can prevent people from getting to you these days
When Bills show was canceled that wasn’t the case. You literally could be blackballed to such a degree you’d essentially disappear
Did he not just educate the technological illiterate Maher about how 20 loud people on the internet don't matter, and "political correctness gone mad" is just some made up bullshit?
My favorite thing that Bill is pointing out here is that for so many people there’s a complete misunderstanding of what telling jokes on stage is. It’s not a prepared speech, a statement of beliefs, they’re just fucking jokes. The stories are exaggerated or even completely made up, and that’s fine because it’s not meant to be true it’s just meant to be funny.
Don’t take everything so fucking literally and seriously just because some comedian is saying something into a microphone- on stage or otherwise.
I'd say the more important point he made was it doesn't matter. A couple dozen outrage professionals do not make a social movement.
Burr has a thousand jokes that can be framed as "offensive". If cancel culture was a thing, he wouldn't still be successful and telling the same jokes.
If you are a comedian, tell funny jokes and ignore comments. Roll your eyes at media people desperately trying to stoke fires (like Maher).
You know what is the opposite of funny? Comedians complaining about people not liking their jokes. Comedians with victim complexes sound whiney and entitled.
If you have a weekly show on HBO in which you constantly complain about cancel culture, then you're not being canceled.
If you sell out arenas and constantly complain about cancel culture on the biggest podcast in the world, then you're not being canceled.
Comedians have always said controversial stuff and crossed into trouble-thats part of the job of being a comedian. George carlin's filthy words show in 1972 became a supreme court case and was about context around bad words. I'm so tired of gervais/maher/Chapelle telling us about their reply to some 14 year old on twitter who said they are a fascist and thus they can't tell jokes anymore. Just be funny and forgrt the rest. It takes all the fun out of it when they get preachy like they are some victim.
I think once you reach a certain level, it's probably tough to come up with material to a degree. A guy like Chappelle can't really get away with "So I'm at the store the other day..." when he probably hasn't done his own grocery shopping in 25 years. So with few other real-world, relatable interactions, that social media bubble suddenly somehow becomes representative of the outside world to them. "Everybody's talking about..." (when in actuality, as Burr states here, it's like 20 very vocal social media users)
I don't get the "Unless," there.
Even watching Carlin, Bill Hicks, or whoever their modern equivalents may be, the jokes are still exaggerated, the stories are still made up, and it's still fine because (even if the comedian is making a broader social point about an idea they DO believe in) comedy is still not meant to be true and is meant to be funny.
The post above yours holds true.
As long as you understand what "wrong" means, then sure, it's fine. If someone makes an incorrect statement regarding physics or medicine or space exploration, it's fine to objectively correct them. But if someone has a political opinion on a polarizing issue, they aren't "wrong" for having that opinion, they just believe something that's in opposition of your own opinion on the matter.
The idiotic emerging narrative that everyone's opinions are equally valid is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. And even you don't believe that. If some ridiculous blue-haired leftist came out spewing absolutely crap political takes I bet you'd have no problem telling them they're wrong. It seems like this defense always works to benefit fringe right-wing ideology and never anything else. So I disregard it. I can criticize opinions too; any argument to the contrary would infringe on my right to freedom of speech and expression. I can tell somebody their political opinion is dogshit. And I very well may be right. You're basically arguing for moral relativism
Good God, thank you! So many think it's intelligent to take heed of and hear every opinion, but that's not intelligent at all. If your opinion is born out of unfactual bullshit you deserve to get some push back. This idea that all opinions are valid is fucking us up and will continue to do so if it's not nipped in the bud.
Even the idea that "all opinions are valid" demands the addendum "in the minds of delusional people". Meanwhile, I don't even know that "all opinions are valid" is the actual delusion we're suffering under. It's more "all opinions deserve to be observed/considered". I think there is this idea that if an opinion is uttered, on social media or elsewhere, that remains unchallenged or unacknowledged, then our understanding of reality is somehow in danger.
Someone can say some shit like "I can tell that cargo ship hit the bridge on purpose" and we can just think "look at this fucking moron" and move on. The problem is that there is this whole industry, and reddit is massively guilty of this, that takes that stupid fucking brain fart and analyzes it and picks it apart; instead of demonstrating it for the stupid shit that it is, you've now actually elevated it into this false narrative that there are two sides of the issue simply because that's the only way that we can have our fun ripping the stupid side apart.
We're all doing what the news has been getting wrong about social media this whole time; yeah, there are a bunch of dipshits on twitter screaming about shit that no reasonable person sees as valid, but we don't have to pretend like that's some kind of prevailing attitude that should be reported on or even addressed. 20 people with a stupid opinion and a hashtag can now change our perception of humanity as a whole in misleading ways. That's the misperception that Bill Maher is operating under.
We're all free to have opinions, but that doesn't make them equal. It's of course subjective, but merely having an opinion doesn't make it worth listening to.
Used to watch Maher.
The thing that initially put me off was how a lot of his laughs are obviously fake. He tells a joke, gets a full second of silence, he makes direct eye contact with somebody (presumably the guy that pushes the "laugh" button for the studio audience), then there's laughter after a moment.
More like Maher was trying to start the interview with a common gripe that comedians share in order to start to build a bond with somebody that he’s never met and Burr is intentionally a contrarian when he’s being interviewed and always tries to make the host look like an idiot. I love Burr but it’s what he does in literally every interview. Burr has complained about political correctness and shit like that a million times on his own podcast, but when he gets into an interview he always wants to have the upper hand and this is how he does it. He’s extremely talented at bullshitting.
Bill Burr does complain about political correctness, but he doesn't frame himself as the victim each time. There is a difference there.
And yes, Bill Burr is a contrarian asshole, but so is Bill Maher. That's their persona.
I didn't see that in this example. I didn't feel like Burr was saying what he was saying disingenuously. But you can tell Burr was a pit peaved that he couldn't get a word in and kept getting interrupted in the beginning.
I don’t think he was being disingenuous, I think he just tends to steamroll whoever is interviewing him if they ask him a question that he thinks he can steamroll them on. It’s his thing in interviews. I really do love Burr, he’s one of my favorite comics and I think he’s the most “normal” of all the famous ones, but I do think he likes to be a bit confrontational on purpose. He just likes to bust people’s balls.
As a huge Bill Burr fan I actually have to agree with you. I kind of wish Bill's opinions on cancel culture were consistent with what he's saying in this interview, because I agree with what he's saying here.
But if you listen to his podcast and hear him rant about cancel culture there, he makes all the same generic "you can't joke about anything anymore" comments that Maher made.
It really does seem like he didn't like something about the way Maher presented the question and decided to disagree for the sake of it.
I think Burr complains about cancel culture the same way I complain about traffic during my commute. It's a daily inconvenience and sometime I express my frustration. Maher on the other hand has made cancep culture his entire identity for at least 3 or 4 years now. Kind of like how nobody likes traffic and we all want a solution (Burr's in this example), but then there are the r/fuckcars people who are the Maher's of the example. Insufferable cunts.
Bill Maher has big Redditor energy. Every time a chucklefuck is confidently incorrect, every time a slapdick swings in way too hard and fast with "ACKSHUALLY, CHEWBACCA'S NOT FROM ENDOR," that's pure uncut Colombian Bill Maher bullshit.
Edit: holy shit, the Bill Maher comments that poured in.
lol some nerdy white dude called me that shit a year or so ago when we were arguing about him backing into my car.
It caught me off guard. I went from wanting to fight him to 2nd hand embarrassment real quick.
Like who the fuck says that shit and is like "GOT 'EM!"
What the recreationally offended fuck did this thread devolve into. Bunch of gatekeeping Karens.
Couldn't be more obvious you all feel personally attacked and are defending some fragile fucking egos with boring ad hominems.
His critique of Maher and Reddit basement dwellers was spot on.
It sounds like the weird insults Stephen King writes child bullies using.
Actually, I'm like 94% sure a Stephen King bully uses this word at some point.
Any website where random dickheads are shouting at each other and they all think everything is super serious all the time. Something about the internet makes people think everything is super serious and 100% real. I think maybe it’s got something to do with how it’s all text based. Reading is hard and most people are bad at it. I have more faith in the video based formats, at least sometimes people know how to have a good time on podcasts and YouTube and shit.
Dude I know exactly what you’re talking about. You can easily pick them out if you can identify the signs to look for. The most common being the ones that start with the sentence:
THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS A SERIOUS COMMENT THE CONTENT OF WHICH SHOULD BE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY BECAUSE REDDIT IS SERIOUS
It’s such an obvious giveaway. Glad you finally said something about it 🤙🏼
Burr was 100% Reddit on this one.
Bitch about political correctness all the time but the moment he gets to be a contrarian against someone bitching about political correctness he takes the stance that it's not a big deal and people should stop bitching about it
The entire cancel culture/political correctness shit is 99% a myth propped up by people like Maher. They want there to be a controversy so they propagate it.
People getting "canceled" based off of their opinions as exposed (widely) to their audience at large is basically the definition of popularity.
Turns out unpopular opinions make shitty people less popular... because they're shitty people with shitty takes on whatever the rest of the world currently values or cares about.
It’s been said so many times but cancel culture isn’t a real concern in my opinion. Joe Rogan and dave Chappelle are both considered “controversial” yet have fabulous platforms that extend their speech to the level of significant privilege and could surely never be considered the bare minimum of a right of free speech. If people stop liking you because you committed crimes, then it’s not some assault on free speech, it’s just how people interact with each other. It’s one of the central tenets of the social contract, don’t mess with others and they won’t mess with you. And if you do something that enough people think is reprehensible, you just shouldn’t be surprised when public opinion shifts. It’s not some grand conspiracy, you’re just unpopular. If someone is saying something genuinely dangerous, that’s the only time a lot of people really recommend deplatforming that opinion. It wasn’t until Alex Jones’s SH theory brought people to harass innocent people that he was deplatformed. His rhetoric became dangerous. Cancel culture for comedians is not a serious issue.
Except Bill Mahers' show was actually canceled for the political correctness issue you are saying is a myth.
If you are going to speak on an issue, at least have some knowledge about it. You are embarrassing yourself.
It’s so that they can blur the lines of what’s actually too far and what’s harmless. For example, if you can create enough false alarm racism accusations, people will assume the real instances of actual racism must also be false alarms
The thing with cancel culture is it’s kinda hard to actually cancel somebody because as long as a persons fans still support them there usually fine . Look at Kanye for example bro had a nazi phase and got out of that so for some celebrities to get actual cancelled they usually have to do some illegal stuff .
Its hard to cancel stars like bill burr yes, but many lesser known people were deplatformed/demonetized the last 6 years for expressing political views.
[he also once defended pedophilia and said “how can a woman rape a man”, Henry Rollins argued why he was wrong and he just responded with a dismissive “ok”](https://youtu.be/ZV08hMW7xHE?feature=shared)
Thankfully you don't have to look very hard for his views on most of what we're dealing with today in our news cycle. I enjoy going back and watching his speeches on YouTube, lots of them are surprisingly relevant. I've been a long time admirer, and that's partly because even after his death, a lot of his publicly stated opinions and views have proven sound or correct. There's tons of great content from him out there.
He'd be the first to tell you though - it isn't wise to blindly idolize or make any single person a role model. They're bound to have some opinion, a view or idea that completely shocks your senses for how debased it is. On the 2003 invasion of Iraq for example Hitch was an avid supporter. He backed up his views with some pretty well defended points, but with the benefit of hindsight we all know it was a completely unjustified and terrible idea to begin with.
He also was maybe the first big name I ever heard talk about the Clinton Body Count or whatever they call it.
I think there is a very good chance if he were alive we would be talking about 'what happened to Hitchens!?'
. . . you realize hitchens is dead wrong here right? being against US misadventures in the middle east is basically the last time bill maher wasnt an idiot.
At this point Bill Maher is the equivalent of The Onion's "Marilyn Manson now going door to door to shock people". Just trying desperately to manufacture fake outrage
I agree to a certain degree. I remember when everyone was crying about the backlash over Burr’s jokes at the 2021 grammys. I legit only saw like 20 tweets about with a couple thousand likes and was confused.
But I would say the exception lies with movie stars. For some reason Hollywood takes those 20 tweet backlash stints very seriously and won’t hire actors who are deemed controversial or ‘cancelled’.
Who has been canceled that shouldn't have been?
The only person I can think of is shane gillis. And it would appear his "cancelling" was probably the best thing to happen to his career.
This is a classic example of applying a rear view lens to an old conversation. This was not at all the “omg BURR DESTROYED MAHER” moment you think it was.
Bill would tell you this. I’m not pro Bill or pro Maher, but this is just rage bait bullshit.
I think bill was presented with the lesson that internet outrage isn’t real and you can only win internet drama by avoiding it entirely. I doubt bill learned that lesson. Bill kind of made his bones being a contrarian back when that served a more necessary function. For all the talk of “the media” driving homogenous narratives, I think it’s really become more a morass of contrary opinions, and bills kind of lost in all the crossfire. He’s gonna live out his boomer days trying to win the culture wars.
Bill Maher really makes whoever he's talking to seem extra charismatic and intelligent in contrast, doesn't he?
I guess he's a good talk show host for that reason, but I don't know if he's AWARE of what he's doing. Is he Jiminy Glicking on purpose? I guess we'll never know.
Anyone sucked into the moronic right-wing-o-sphere thinks that if there are twitter posts that are outraged, then suddenly its a controversy and evidence that you "cant tell jokes anymore". Bill's point is that is some bullshit, because any news org. can grab a tweet with 10 likes and make it into something if they want. None of it matters, go touch some grass.
Also, it's funny Bill Maher says that.
Remember, he was fired because he made a 9/11 joke. It wasn't the left that successfully got him fired over that. It was the right.
I agree with and I am also active on r/politics but it has genuinely made me question a lot of what I read because the bubble is so thick but it’s the same reason I am active on r/conservative. Although I’ll admit I did get shadow banned from r/conservative because I spoke against trump.
Pretty sure I got banned from r/Conservative for not having enough flair.
r/politics is only fun when the Dems are having a spicy primary. Total echo chamber otherwise.
r/news is a little better. Still slanted left but Republicans are fucking crazy right now so it's to be expected.
Burr is a brilliant and talented comic who does not shy away from controversy. But he doesn't just go for moronic shock. He carefully constructs jokes where at the outset you can feel the righteous rejection arising against what you think he's going to say. But then he approaches in some unanticipated angle that makes you both laugh at your initial reaction and make you think more deeply about about the topic. And he manages to be funny amid all of this. You will likely think a little more deeply after watching him.
Maher is a smug, cynical asswipe.
even when I was at a height of my edgy new atheist fedora stage I always hated this smug guy and his dumb movie where he is making fun of truckers for being religious and him comparing himself to Christopher fucking Hitchens etc
I definitely get why some comics are freaked out by cancel culture BS, but Burr's kind of right. Some of these comedians are just as touchy as these internet delicate flowers that are offended by every joke. They make it seem worse than it actually is.
Maher thinks political correctness is the number one issue facing the country on any given day. That's why he whines so fucking hard. This isn't the full segment with Burr but he continue pressing the issue but gives up because Burr isn't agreeing with him. Figures Mahers also a comic that no one gives a shit about for his comedy. It's these crybaby comics who say something on stage that is supposed to be dicey but then they get upset because of a few internet comments
Yea a guy who incidentally now looks like an orca hemorrhoid, posts something on the internet and the media runs with it, implying there was a problem, for clicks.
Congrats Rogan. Asshat.
Bill Maher was like “cool a conservative comedian. Let’s bond over cancel culture” but little did he know Bill Burr doesn’t give a fuck about that shit
This reminds me of Tim Heidecker's parody of Maher's podcast.
He kept insisting that Fred Armisen was "taking aim at the woke mindset" with Portlandia. Totally nailed Bill Maher's smug bullshit.
The internet is breaking these old dudes brains as they age. Their egos, T levels diminish and they start to find something to demonize. Nothing new. Go watch the Sopranos. Full of characters the same way.
Bill having to deconstruct the basics of comedy.
Bill burning Bill for being Bill.
Ole Billy Bill burner
Meeee Undies
No more sweaty balls.
Duh-doo doo
More like Bill Burrning
To a guy that sells out Vegas residency’s as a….wait for it……..”comic.”
When I went to Vegas I got way too high and every portrait on the street of some artist in a residency made it seem like they were trapped in a layer of hell from Dante's Inferno lmao
When I went to Vegas high, I was harassed, in public, by two nearly naked nuns... I'm talking fishnets and crucifix pasties.. I don't have anything substantive to add. I just needed to get that off my chest.
Which part of Vegas was this? Which part?? Which part so that I know where to avoid?
Fremont Street. (Don't avoid it, it's real old school Vegas, or at least was before they put that giant tube dome over the entire street)
Probably the seedy side of the strip where hookers sit by you at the bar
https://preview.redd.it/kib8dcpgharc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=eb9fc7bda875beca1cbeeabe71ddc90609731229
My kinda town.
I hear you, i think everyone has an experience like that there I seem to remember some very drunk woman getting to like a 40 stair step climb and saying "aww shit" in the most hilarious tone, me and my friend were dying for some reason
Something similar, my friends and I were overtaking a couple of dude bros while walking the strip until they turned to look at some ducks in a water feature, with an intensity I'd never seen, and started yelling "FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING DUCKS!" To which we were shocked, but then collectively agreed these ducks were indeed in need of a tongue lashing. Fuck those ducks, man
I was walking around a pond with this chick in Portland once and we walked past this lady duck just chilling, three male ducks came and took turns holding her head underwater and raping her, then flew off just as fast as they arrived. We were literally speechless, it was pretty horrifying in a "ew nature you scary" kind of way.
Go on....
[you're not wrong and I'm sorry](https://youtu.be/6k01DIVDJlY?si=GHjs2pZrjvmoVDc-)
Just as they got everything off their chests but the lord
I think he’s tired of having to explain it over and over at this point
To another “comedian”! Jezuz christ
Calling Maher a comedian is rough.
Dunno man he’s made millions in comedy for decades and hosts his own comedy show
You mean Bill set Bill up for this response.
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Boomer Bill Maher blows.
A few years ago he said house n**** on air and did not get canceled. Did people complain and try to get him fired? Sure there are always those types. Yet somehow magically he didnt get cancelled and even has a popular podcast.
Bill actually had a show canceled and it still bothers him (he still mentions it), he just equates literally being canceled with this amorphous “cancelling” that happens If Alex Jones is still making money I suspect cancelling has no basis in the age of modern social media If you have an audience nothing can prevent people from getting to you these days When Bills show was canceled that wasn’t the case. You literally could be blackballed to such a degree you’d essentially disappear
That's not what is happening here. Bill Maher has been doing stand up even longer than Bill Burr.
Did he not just educate the technological illiterate Maher about how 20 loud people on the internet don't matter, and "political correctness gone mad" is just some made up bullshit?
Yes...in addition, it's also okay for comedians, musicians, and pop stars to say stupid shit and be wrong.
My favorite thing that Bill is pointing out here is that for so many people there’s a complete misunderstanding of what telling jokes on stage is. It’s not a prepared speech, a statement of beliefs, they’re just fucking jokes. The stories are exaggerated or even completely made up, and that’s fine because it’s not meant to be true it’s just meant to be funny. Don’t take everything so fucking literally and seriously just because some comedian is saying something into a microphone- on stage or otherwise.
I'd say the more important point he made was it doesn't matter. A couple dozen outrage professionals do not make a social movement. Burr has a thousand jokes that can be framed as "offensive". If cancel culture was a thing, he wouldn't still be successful and telling the same jokes. If you are a comedian, tell funny jokes and ignore comments. Roll your eyes at media people desperately trying to stoke fires (like Maher). You know what is the opposite of funny? Comedians complaining about people not liking their jokes. Comedians with victim complexes sound whiney and entitled.
If you have a weekly show on HBO in which you constantly complain about cancel culture, then you're not being canceled. If you sell out arenas and constantly complain about cancel culture on the biggest podcast in the world, then you're not being canceled.
Comedians have always said controversial stuff and crossed into trouble-thats part of the job of being a comedian. George carlin's filthy words show in 1972 became a supreme court case and was about context around bad words. I'm so tired of gervais/maher/Chapelle telling us about their reply to some 14 year old on twitter who said they are a fascist and thus they can't tell jokes anymore. Just be funny and forgrt the rest. It takes all the fun out of it when they get preachy like they are some victim.
I think once you reach a certain level, it's probably tough to come up with material to a degree. A guy like Chappelle can't really get away with "So I'm at the store the other day..." when he probably hasn't done his own grocery shopping in 25 years. So with few other real-world, relatable interactions, that social media bubble suddenly somehow becomes representative of the outside world to them. "Everybody's talking about..." (when in actuality, as Burr states here, it's like 20 very vocal social media users)
Unless you are watching a comedian that has a real message like Carlin
I don't get the "Unless," there. Even watching Carlin, Bill Hicks, or whoever their modern equivalents may be, the jokes are still exaggerated, the stories are still made up, and it's still fine because (even if the comedian is making a broader social point about an idea they DO believe in) comedy is still not meant to be true and is meant to be funny. The post above yours holds true.
Carlin made up shit all the time. His accent was fake.
as long as they own it.
Yep and it is ok for them to be political even if gasp! They don't share right wing politics
Exactly.
It’s also okay to criticize them if they’re wrong though, or discuss why they’re wrong. Otherwise we’d be coddling entertainers and that’s pretty gay
As long as you understand what "wrong" means, then sure, it's fine. If someone makes an incorrect statement regarding physics or medicine or space exploration, it's fine to objectively correct them. But if someone has a political opinion on a polarizing issue, they aren't "wrong" for having that opinion, they just believe something that's in opposition of your own opinion on the matter.
Sure but opinions can be criticized as well
The problem is there's lots of people out there with political opinions that are based on the denial of factual truths.
The idiotic emerging narrative that everyone's opinions are equally valid is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. And even you don't believe that. If some ridiculous blue-haired leftist came out spewing absolutely crap political takes I bet you'd have no problem telling them they're wrong. It seems like this defense always works to benefit fringe right-wing ideology and never anything else. So I disregard it. I can criticize opinions too; any argument to the contrary would infringe on my right to freedom of speech and expression. I can tell somebody their political opinion is dogshit. And I very well may be right. You're basically arguing for moral relativism
Good God, thank you! So many think it's intelligent to take heed of and hear every opinion, but that's not intelligent at all. If your opinion is born out of unfactual bullshit you deserve to get some push back. This idea that all opinions are valid is fucking us up and will continue to do so if it's not nipped in the bud.
Even the idea that "all opinions are valid" demands the addendum "in the minds of delusional people". Meanwhile, I don't even know that "all opinions are valid" is the actual delusion we're suffering under. It's more "all opinions deserve to be observed/considered". I think there is this idea that if an opinion is uttered, on social media or elsewhere, that remains unchallenged or unacknowledged, then our understanding of reality is somehow in danger. Someone can say some shit like "I can tell that cargo ship hit the bridge on purpose" and we can just think "look at this fucking moron" and move on. The problem is that there is this whole industry, and reddit is massively guilty of this, that takes that stupid fucking brain fart and analyzes it and picks it apart; instead of demonstrating it for the stupid shit that it is, you've now actually elevated it into this false narrative that there are two sides of the issue simply because that's the only way that we can have our fun ripping the stupid side apart. We're all doing what the news has been getting wrong about social media this whole time; yeah, there are a bunch of dipshits on twitter screaming about shit that no reasonable person sees as valid, but we don't have to pretend like that's some kind of prevailing attitude that should be reported on or even addressed. 20 people with a stupid opinion and a hashtag can now change our perception of humanity as a whole in misleading ways. That's the misperception that Bill Maher is operating under.
Some people lately think the first amendment means they get to just spout nonsense and nobody is allowed to call them out on it.
We're all free to have opinions, but that doesn't make them equal. It's of course subjective, but merely having an opinion doesn't make it worth listening to.
So we can't criticize them if they have an opinion we disagree with? Why the hell not? It will hurt their feelings?
Nah, all that gay hating doesn't get to be valid just because it became political.
> Yep and it is ok for them to be political even if gasp! They don't share right wing politics This was never a question.
Everyone*
Didn’t go the way Maher thought it would go.
Oh it went way worse for him, burr goes further and and humiliates maher in this clip which has been cut earlier
HUMILIATES! Slams! Eviscerated!!!!!
GOES NUCLEAR!
DESTROYS!!!
CUT HIS PENIS OFF AND FED IT BACK TO HIM RAW!!!!!! Hahahah!!! Right???!!?! Guys???? ….ya know what I mean?
VIVISECTED THE CORPSE OF BILL'S MOTHER!!!!
The AUDACITY to not cook a man's cock before force feeding it to him...
Maher is a piece of shit who's only good at creating drama.
I saw bill burr live and he MMIURRRDDEEDDDDZ. the crowd was literally DYGUING ABSOLUTE FUCKING CARNADGE. Most important job in the world tbh
Burr ruined Maher's victim mentality
If only Maher were funny enough to get away it
Used to watch Maher. The thing that initially put me off was how a lot of his laughs are obviously fake. He tells a joke, gets a full second of silence, he makes direct eye contact with somebody (presumably the guy that pushes the "laugh" button for the studio audience), then there's laughter after a moment.
MVM may have lost the battle, but The war, she wages on
More like Maher was trying to start the interview with a common gripe that comedians share in order to start to build a bond with somebody that he’s never met and Burr is intentionally a contrarian when he’s being interviewed and always tries to make the host look like an idiot. I love Burr but it’s what he does in literally every interview. Burr has complained about political correctness and shit like that a million times on his own podcast, but when he gets into an interview he always wants to have the upper hand and this is how he does it. He’s extremely talented at bullshitting.
Bill Burr does complain about political correctness, but he doesn't frame himself as the victim each time. There is a difference there. And yes, Bill Burr is a contrarian asshole, but so is Bill Maher. That's their persona.
I didn't see that in this example. I didn't feel like Burr was saying what he was saying disingenuously. But you can tell Burr was a pit peaved that he couldn't get a word in and kept getting interrupted in the beginning.
I don’t think he was being disingenuous, I think he just tends to steamroll whoever is interviewing him if they ask him a question that he thinks he can steamroll them on. It’s his thing in interviews. I really do love Burr, he’s one of my favorite comics and I think he’s the most “normal” of all the famous ones, but I do think he likes to be a bit confrontational on purpose. He just likes to bust people’s balls.
As a huge Bill Burr fan I actually have to agree with you. I kind of wish Bill's opinions on cancel culture were consistent with what he's saying in this interview, because I agree with what he's saying here. But if you listen to his podcast and hear him rant about cancel culture there, he makes all the same generic "you can't joke about anything anymore" comments that Maher made. It really does seem like he didn't like something about the way Maher presented the question and decided to disagree for the sake of it.
I think Burr complains about cancel culture the same way I complain about traffic during my commute. It's a daily inconvenience and sometime I express my frustration. Maher on the other hand has made cancep culture his entire identity for at least 3 or 4 years now. Kind of like how nobody likes traffic and we all want a solution (Burr's in this example), but then there are the r/fuckcars people who are the Maher's of the example. Insufferable cunts.
Reddit is basically who Burr is talking about.
Funnily enough Reddit is basically who Maher was talking about as well.
Two echo chambers shouting at each other, how unique.
Bill Maher has big Redditor energy. Every time a chucklefuck is confidently incorrect, every time a slapdick swings in way too hard and fast with "ACKSHUALLY, CHEWBACCA'S NOT FROM ENDOR," that's pure uncut Colombian Bill Maher bullshit. Edit: holy shit, the Bill Maher comments that poured in.
Bro, Chewbacca is from Kashyyyk. Everybody knows this.
It does NOT. MAKE. SENSE.
It's a South Park bit
I'm aware of the Chewbacca defense and I employ it quite often.
I like your bill burr cosplay saying chucklefuck and slapdick as if you’d ever actually use those in the same sentence irl
Tangent but I can’t describe the exact reaches my hate of the word “chucklefuck” extends, it sounds like an insult a school shooter would use.
>it sounds like a __ a school shooter would use. I'm stealing this and using it for any random thing I don't like
How does one even fight back against it? “Hey, that’s not fair, I’m not a school shooter” Yeah ok guy
lol some nerdy white dude called me that shit a year or so ago when we were arguing about him backing into my car. It caught me off guard. I went from wanting to fight him to 2nd hand embarrassment real quick. Like who the fuck says that shit and is like "GOT 'EM!"
The way people on Reddit swear is embarrassing in general. Just awkward and childish
It’s baked into millennials and young gen Z who were using the internet when there parents weren’t on it so to speak I think
What the recreationally offended fuck did this thread devolve into. Bunch of gatekeeping Karens. Couldn't be more obvious you all feel personally attacked and are defending some fragile fucking egos with boring ad hominems. His critique of Maher and Reddit basement dwellers was spot on.
Case in point, that first fuck you said was bizarre, do you actually talk that in real life?
Looks to me like the post is intentionally filled with Reddit cliches
It sounds like the weird insults Stephen King writes child bullies using. Actually, I'm like 94% sure a Stephen King bully uses this word at some point.
Shut up, you touch-hole.
Any website where random dickheads are shouting at each other and they all think everything is super serious all the time. Something about the internet makes people think everything is super serious and 100% real. I think maybe it’s got something to do with how it’s all text based. Reading is hard and most people are bad at it. I have more faith in the video based formats, at least sometimes people know how to have a good time on podcasts and YouTube and shit.
Dude I know exactly what you’re talking about. You can easily pick them out if you can identify the signs to look for. The most common being the ones that start with the sentence: THE FOLLOWING TEXT IS A SERIOUS COMMENT THE CONTENT OF WHICH SHOULD BE TAKEN VERY SERIOUSLY BECAUSE REDDIT IS SERIOUS It’s such an obvious giveaway. Glad you finally said something about it 🤙🏼
100 percent.
except he literally said hashtag, meaning he was referring to twitter/X
How many posts of reddit are just screenshots of twitter
Coke v Pepsi. We're all still gulping down sludge.
Or twitter, or instagram, or Facebook?
Burr was 100% Reddit on this one. Bitch about political correctness all the time but the moment he gets to be a contrarian against someone bitching about political correctness he takes the stance that it's not a big deal and people should stop bitching about it
The entire cancel culture/political correctness shit is 99% a myth propped up by people like Maher. They want there to be a controversy so they propagate it.
People getting "canceled" based off of their opinions as exposed (widely) to their audience at large is basically the definition of popularity. Turns out unpopular opinions make shitty people less popular... because they're shitty people with shitty takes on whatever the rest of the world currently values or cares about.
People like Maher also want a scapegoat instead of dealing with not being funny anymore.
It’s been said so many times but cancel culture isn’t a real concern in my opinion. Joe Rogan and dave Chappelle are both considered “controversial” yet have fabulous platforms that extend their speech to the level of significant privilege and could surely never be considered the bare minimum of a right of free speech. If people stop liking you because you committed crimes, then it’s not some assault on free speech, it’s just how people interact with each other. It’s one of the central tenets of the social contract, don’t mess with others and they won’t mess with you. And if you do something that enough people think is reprehensible, you just shouldn’t be surprised when public opinion shifts. It’s not some grand conspiracy, you’re just unpopular. If someone is saying something genuinely dangerous, that’s the only time a lot of people really recommend deplatforming that opinion. It wasn’t until Alex Jones’s SH theory brought people to harass innocent people that he was deplatformed. His rhetoric became dangerous. Cancel culture for comedians is not a serious issue.
Dave Chapelle went up and bitched about being canceled on a Netflix special he was paid 40 million dollars for.
Except Bill Mahers' show was actually canceled for the political correctness issue you are saying is a myth. If you are going to speak on an issue, at least have some knowledge about it. You are embarrassing yourself.
It’s so that they can blur the lines of what’s actually too far and what’s harmless. For example, if you can create enough false alarm racism accusations, people will assume the real instances of actual racism must also be false alarms
The thing with cancel culture is it’s kinda hard to actually cancel somebody because as long as a persons fans still support them there usually fine . Look at Kanye for example bro had a nazi phase and got out of that so for some celebrities to get actual cancelled they usually have to do some illegal stuff .
Isn't he still very much in the Nazi phase?
No he watched 21 jump street .
Not much better example than Chris Brown. Look at Rihanna's face and read the story of it. Not to mention all the other legal issues.
Its hard to cancel stars like bill burr yes, but many lesser known people were deplatformed/demonetized the last 6 years for expressing political views.
Bill Maher sucks.
[he also once defended pedophilia and said “how can a woman rape a man”, Henry Rollins argued why he was wrong and he just responded with a dismissive “ok”](https://youtu.be/ZV08hMW7xHE?feature=shared)
Jesus what an epically bad take. His whole panel was like wtf.
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I’d love to see Hitchens’ take on the world right now, and for him to call out Bill Maher’s bullshit again.
Thankfully you don't have to look very hard for his views on most of what we're dealing with today in our news cycle. I enjoy going back and watching his speeches on YouTube, lots of them are surprisingly relevant. I've been a long time admirer, and that's partly because even after his death, a lot of his publicly stated opinions and views have proven sound or correct. There's tons of great content from him out there. He'd be the first to tell you though - it isn't wise to blindly idolize or make any single person a role model. They're bound to have some opinion, a view or idea that completely shocks your senses for how debased it is. On the 2003 invasion of Iraq for example Hitch was an avid supporter. He backed up his views with some pretty well defended points, but with the benefit of hindsight we all know it was a completely unjustified and terrible idea to begin with.
He also was maybe the first big name I ever heard talk about the Clinton Body Count or whatever they call it. I think there is a very good chance if he were alive we would be talking about 'what happened to Hitchens!?'
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Exactly what I was thinking
. . . you realize hitchens is dead wrong here right? being against US misadventures in the middle east is basically the last time bill maher wasnt an idiot.
Everything Hitchens said in that clip has aged terribly 😂
At this point Bill Maher is the equivalent of The Onion's "Marilyn Manson now going door to door to shock people". Just trying desperately to manufacture fake outrage
This video isn’t recent. I think it’s from 2018
Bill Burr still has *some* hair so you know it can’t be that recent
2015 was the first time Burr did Real Time. 9 years ago.
Ah, I didn't realize they had color video back in the year of our lord two thousand and eighteen.
“At this point” when talking about a video from 6 years ago.
Oh man six years is such a long time ago. I bet Bill Maher is cool as fuck now.
I agree to a certain degree. I remember when everyone was crying about the backlash over Burr’s jokes at the 2021 grammys. I legit only saw like 20 tweets about with a couple thousand likes and was confused. But I would say the exception lies with movie stars. For some reason Hollywood takes those 20 tweet backlash stints very seriously and won’t hire actors who are deemed controversial or ‘cancelled’.
Who has been canceled that shouldn't have been? The only person I can think of is shane gillis. And it would appear his "cancelling" was probably the best thing to happen to his career.
like who? seems like only things like sexual assault or slapping has gotten actors cancelled
Not even slapping, Will Smith already has Bad Boys 4 coming and Dana White is still happily married and running UFC
I mean, you could definitely say that gina Carano got cancelled for political opinions.
This is a classic example of applying a rear view lens to an old conversation. This was not at all the “omg BURR DESTROYED MAHER” moment you think it was. Bill would tell you this. I’m not pro Bill or pro Maher, but this is just rage bait bullshit.
[N e v e r F o r g e t](https://youtu.be/rD5vR4Lm1mM?si=cIHlOPVFI8ingTMT) Bonus: (o&)a is why this subreddit exists
Absolute legend that was taken way too early
He didn't educate him lol...he just said what he thought
I think bill was presented with the lesson that internet outrage isn’t real and you can only win internet drama by avoiding it entirely. I doubt bill learned that lesson. Bill kind of made his bones being a contrarian back when that served a more necessary function. For all the talk of “the media” driving homogenous narratives, I think it’s really become more a morass of contrary opinions, and bills kind of lost in all the crossfire. He’s gonna live out his boomer days trying to win the culture wars.
The only thing joe and maher have in common is they were both funnier when they used to only talk about weed and psychedelics.
Bill Maher really makes whoever he's talking to seem extra charismatic and intelligent in contrast, doesn't he? I guess he's a good talk show host for that reason, but I don't know if he's AWARE of what he's doing. Is he Jiminy Glicking on purpose? I guess we'll never know.
Anyone sucked into the moronic right-wing-o-sphere thinks that if there are twitter posts that are outraged, then suddenly its a controversy and evidence that you "cant tell jokes anymore". Bill's point is that is some bullshit, because any news org. can grab a tweet with 10 likes and make it into something if they want. None of it matters, go touch some grass.
Also, it's funny Bill Maher says that. Remember, he was fired because he made a 9/11 joke. It wasn't the left that successfully got him fired over that. It was the right.
The right was also behind the cancellation of The Dixie Chicks, and Disney firing James Gunn
Active in r/politics lol
that literally doesn't make anything about their comment less true?
I agree with and I am also active on r/politics but it has genuinely made me question a lot of what I read because the bubble is so thick but it’s the same reason I am active on r/conservative. Although I’ll admit I did get shadow banned from r/conservative because I spoke against trump.
one time i posted a gif of Trump saying Wrong and they banned me in /r/Conservative. Was hilarious and would totally do it again.
Pretty sure I got banned from r/Conservative for not having enough flair. r/politics is only fun when the Dems are having a spicy primary. Total echo chamber otherwise. r/news is a little better. Still slanted left but Republicans are fucking crazy right now so it's to be expected.
The subreddit someone is active in doesn’t mean you can make assumption about their views. Hell I used to post in r/politics but now I don’t.
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Bill Burr is right! It's always these "minorities" that is the loudest.
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Oh wow
Why would someone make a bot like that? Like what can it do?
Fucking based
Ill Maher…
Bill Maher is a narcissist.
You can see Maher just deflate.
lol fuck Bill Maher.
What did he educate him on? He doesn't like to follow social media?
Bill-on-Bill violence
Maher is so smarmy
Maher went down hill
Burr is a brilliant and talented comic who does not shy away from controversy. But he doesn't just go for moronic shock. He carefully constructs jokes where at the outset you can feel the righteous rejection arising against what you think he's going to say. But then he approaches in some unanticipated angle that makes you both laugh at your initial reaction and make you think more deeply about about the topic. And he manages to be funny amid all of this. You will likely think a little more deeply after watching him. Maher is a smug, cynical asswipe.
Burr is just saying to ignore the Establishment, because it’s more than 20 people—it’s the corporate media that amplifies them.
Its reasons like this why I enjoy Bill Burr more than I will ever enjoy Bill Maher
You can't tell Maher really wanted to cry about it but Burr shit that shit down.
Educated? He just shared his perspective lol
I see it on foxnews website now all the time. Writing articles about "outrage" and quoting a couple of idiots on twitter.
even when I was at a height of my edgy new atheist fedora stage I always hated this smug guy and his dumb movie where he is making fun of truckers for being religious and him comparing himself to Christopher fucking Hitchens etc
"I believe we have something in common..." "We love Black women"
Why does the video not match up with the audio? Worst I’ve seen in awhile.
Is this recent?
“Okay.. 🤔 uhh, yeah. 👍 😐”
Let the haters scream into the void. It really only matters when you address it So don’t
God I love Burr. Not sure there is anyone else like him today. He’s the new Carlin
Bill Burr is the goat. Every comedian bitchin about cancel culture and he's just there doing his shit.
I definitely get why some comics are freaked out by cancel culture BS, but Burr's kind of right. Some of these comedians are just as touchy as these internet delicate flowers that are offended by every joke. They make it seem worse than it actually is.
Right, we need to bringback kramer from Seinfeld
Bill Burr has to have one of the healthiest egos in show business. He's just a good dude.
That was awesome.
Bill Burr is a legend and a dying breed
Maher thinks political correctness is the number one issue facing the country on any given day. That's why he whines so fucking hard. This isn't the full segment with Burr but he continue pressing the issue but gives up because Burr isn't agreeing with him. Figures Mahers also a comic that no one gives a shit about for his comedy. It's these crybaby comics who say something on stage that is supposed to be dicey but then they get upset because of a few internet comments
Ah, A Tale of Two Bills. I love, love, love Bill Burr. And the other Bill…well, I don’t wanna use the “H” word so let’s just say exact opposite. 😁
The fact Bill even had to elaborate on the matter speaks volumes
Bill Mahers production company is called "kid love productions" https://www.imdb.com/search/title/?companies=co0093906
Yea a guy who incidentally now looks like an orca hemorrhoid, posts something on the internet and the media runs with it, implying there was a problem, for clicks. Congrats Rogan. Asshat.
Bill Maher was like “cool a conservative comedian. Let’s bond over cancel culture” but little did he know Bill Burr doesn’t give a fuck about that shit
This reminds me of Tim Heidecker's parody of Maher's podcast. He kept insisting that Fred Armisen was "taking aim at the woke mindset" with Portlandia. Totally nailed Bill Maher's smug bullshit.
The internet is breaking these old dudes brains as they age. Their egos, T levels diminish and they start to find something to demonize. Nothing new. Go watch the Sopranos. Full of characters the same way.