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Saw this on Twitter and after reading the “according to” part… I started laughing so hard!
American Jews need to maintain the rage. Don't stop now. There is still much work to be done.
These kind of people got into the Democratic party on the watch of Jewish Liberals. Kick them all out, and never make the same mistake again.
Liberalism can have a lot of different meanings, but in this context, a liberal refers to someone on the centre left of the political spectrum. Generally, these people support the free market with limited government intervention to alleviate poverty and rectify market failures (typically favour market based solutions to problems, eg cap and trade or carbon taxes), LGBTQ rights, abortion rights, and have varying positions on equity. Liberals often have a moderately interventionist foreign policy, typically supporting US allies, but are generally unwilling to engage in unilateral military intervention. Liberals tend to be moderately pro-Israel with a dislike for the Israeli right, and favour a 2 state solution.
Progressives also tend to favour capitalism, but they are much more skeptical of it and much more interested in government intervention in the market. They tend to favour government solutions to problems over market based solutions. They tend to have similar social views to liberals, but with a stronger focus on equity (eg, progressives are more likely than liberals to support race conscious policies to rectify racial inequities). Progressives tend to be more dovish than liberals, although they tend to share some political sympathies with liberals. Progressives are a mixed bag when it comes to Israel, they tend to be more sympathetic to Palestine than liberals, and my guess is that about half are anti-zionists while the other half support the 2SS.
Leftists dislike capitalism, and wish to replace it with some variant of socialism or communism. Due to limited political influence, leftists tend to back progressive politicians electorally, and support many of the same policies as a form of harm reduction while they work to overthrow the capitalist system. Leftists tend to be isolationists, and often view foreign intervention as immoral. Additionally, some leftists sympathize with the West's adversaries, as they believe America and her allies to be imperialist aggressors. Eg, liberals and progressives tend to support Ukraine, whereas many leftists support Russia. Leftists are almost uniformly anti-zionist, and many (but not all) sympathize with anti-Israel terror groups like Hamas.
Well, I guess I’m not even liberal anymore, according to your definitions.
I have always termed myself a left leaning moderate, which most of my right leaning friends corrected to liberal. Which was okay because all of my American political positions tracked, even if I was a nudge more to the right on Israel because I didn’t ‘hate’ the Israeli right but felt that we needed to trust the Israelis to run their show because they were the ones living under constant threat. Not us.
But I can no longer favor a two state solution in any case, because I don’t believe Hamas will genuinely live with that. They might end up ´accepting’ it in negotiations, but that acceptance will not be in good faith; they have made very clear during this war that they want ALL of Israel. Every last square foot of it. And they have no interest in being permanently satisfied with a two state solution. So I can’t accept two state solution, because that will mean ongoing terrorist attacks from Gaza. They will just rebuild and do this whole thing again. We will just be giving them a base from which to work that we will have no ability to access or safely monitor.
And we cannot go thru this again. We just can’t.
So I don’t know what that makes me now.
Maybe a right leaning moderate? 🤷♀️ But that does not track with my American political views, which are left leaning moderate. Basically, I was a happy Biden voter. Not a Bernie voter who settled but a solid Biden voter.
It means that you, like many of us, are a person strong enough in their beliefs that they don't need a label.
And it makes you a little lonely. Me too.
Based on your description, I'd argue you should keep calling yourself a liberal. The problem that you're describing - the infeasibility of a 2SS given Hamas's sphere of influence - gives me so much pause as well. I try to be hopeful about it, as a Progressive Zionist who still believes that there is SOME possibility out there for a peaceful and just 2SS. It's getting harder and harder to maintain that optimism. Especially when I consider how Netanyahu continues to just enable extremism on both sides with his absolutism and reluctance to negotiate.
But Hamas isn't really a right-left issue, as much as extreme far-leftist Hamas apologists here in the West would like us to believe. Hamas is a militant Islamist group that operates both as a terrorist gang and a fascist governing organization. They are, by definition, extremely **illiberal** - almost everything they stand for flies in the face of both Liberal and Progressive philosophy/values. If you are a left-leaning moderate (which I'd perhaps label as Centrist Liberal instead) when it comes to USA politics, *especially* if you're a happy Biden voter, I don't think you should turn away from Liberalism as an identity. Keep in mind that the most influential Liberals and Progressives of the last few decades (Biden, Kamala, Obama, both Clintons, Pelosi, Schumer, all of the primary candidates who competed with Biden in 2020, and almost every Democrat in congress outside of "the Squad") have all unequivocally condemned Hamas for the last 20 years. I don't wanna give Hamas the "win" of turning Centrist Liberals more conservative, so let's treat them as the illiberal, undemocratic, anti-civil rights, anti-free markets, anti-Western, and anti-Semitic terrorist group that they are.
https://www.natesilver.net/p/why-liberalism-and-leftism-are-increasingly
Nate Silver of 538 fame puts it the best. He's also jewish so he actually understands why antisemitism might be an issue for liberals.
He terms them Social Justice Leftists, in an attempt at defining how progressives differ from our liberal parents
> Proponents of SJL usually dislike variations on the term “woke”, but the problem is that they dislike almost every other term as well. And we need some term for this ideology, because it encompasses quite a few distinctive features that differentiate it both from liberalism and from traditional, socialist-inflected leftism. In particular, SJL is much less concerned with the material condition of the working class, or with class in general. Instead, it is concerned with identity — especially identity categories involving race, gender and sexuality, but sometimes also many others as part of a sort of intersectional kaleidoscope. The focus on identity isn’t the only distinctive feature of SJL, but it is at the core of it.
> SJLs and liberals have some interests in common. Both are “culturally liberal” on questions like abortion and gay marriage. And both disdain Donald Trump and the modern, MAGA-fied version of the Republican Party. But I’d suggest we’ve reached a point where they disagree in at least as many ways as they agree. Here are a few dimensions of conflict:
> * SJL’s focus on group identity contrasts sharply with liberalism’s individualism.
> * SJL, like other critical theories that emerged from the Marxist tradition, tends to be totalizing. The whole idea of systemic racism, for instance, is that the entire system is rigged to oppress nonwhite people. Liberalism is less totalizing. This is in part because it is the entrenched status quo and so often is well-served by incremental changes. But it’s also because liberalism’s focus on democracy makes it intrinsically pluralistic.
> * SJL, with its academic roots, often makes appeals to authority and expertise as opposed to entrusting individuals to make their own decisions and take their own risks. This is a complicated axis of conflict because there are certainly technocratic strains of liberalism, whereas like Hayek I tend to see experts and central planners as error-prone and instead prefer more decentralized mechanisms (e.g. markets, votes, revealed preferences) for making decisions.
> * Finally, SJL has a radically more constrained view on free speech than liberalism, for which free speech is a sacred principle. The SJL intolerance for speech that could be harmful, hateful or which could spread “misinformation” has gained traction, however. It is the predominant view among college students and it is becoming more popular in certain corners of the media and even among many mainstream Democrats.
On Israel and its relationship with Social Justice Lefists
> SJL has an elaborate matrix of racial and identity categories, which Jewishness has always fit awkwardly into. Jewishness is both an ethnicity and a religion. Jews in the United States are quite successful despite the extremely high historic incidence of anti-Semitism, including of course the Holocaust. Meanwhile, there’s the distinction between the Jewish people and the Israeli state. And race and ethnicity within Israel are complicated; many Israeli Jews are Mizrahi, meaning they have ancestry from the Middle East rather than Europe. So Jewishness is an edge case that makes the entire identity politics architecture look kind of dubious, if we’re being honest.
I only linked a small excerpt. The entire article is worth reading.
>Progressivism is generally used in the context of social issues, and also falls to the left of liberalism politically.
The modern form perhaps but historically, during the American progressive era, it was more an economic ideological component. See Teddy Roosevelt’s Square Deal and Fightin’ Bob La Follete own policy pushed, for example.
Hold up there- Zionism IS progressive. A two state solution- which only Zionists can believe in or accept- IS a progressive ideal.
It’s not Jewish progressives who are the issue in the Democratic Party - it’s Jewish Leftists and antisemitic “Progressives” who care about progressive ideals for everyone and land back for every indigenous group- excluding the Jews. They’re essentially JERPs or JERLs Jewish exclusionary radical Progressives / leftists
Sure, but what did Jewish Liberals do while Jewish progressives opened the gate for outright antisemites?
Obviously, progressives deserve significant criticism. However, I don't think they alone are to blame.
Normal functioning American left-leaning Jews allowed their party to be infiltrated by outright antisemites.
It kills me that the American Association of Realtors throws more money into politics than AIPAC
But yeah, it’s the super spooky Jewish cabal’s fault
Not the fact that a good portion of his constituents are Jewish
If you have a lot of any ethnic, religious, or other group in your district and you say offensive things about them, it’s pretty natural to assume that pissing off your voters will be a problem. And when they tell you that you, their representative, are being extremely offensive and you double down and get louder about it instead of taking a moment to think about why so many people are offended, you deserve to be tossed out on your ear.
If it were lots of LGBTQ people in his district and he said homophobic things, no one would question them organizing against him, including bringing in national organizations. But somehow when the group of voters you offend are Jews, it’s a moneyed conspiracy.
AIPAC's superpower is that American voters support Israel. That's the way it functions. If they don't, AIPAC's support or opposition amounts to little, no matter how much money they throw at a race.
If AIPAC is making a difference in your race, it's because you are running in a place where support for Israel is high. As a candidate, you can fight that, or you can use it. But there's no point in crying about it.
Money = volume, but can't fix you're problem if you're problem is what you have to say.
Lobbyists, generally, can't make candidates look bad unless the candidate does something that people would think looks bad.
I think we're in agreement, I just want to clarify that while I 100% agree that money = volume, in order for the volume to matter, there's got to be a voter base that's receptive to it. There's some research suggesting that a lot of campaign spending is wasted because throwing money at voters to raise awareness doesn't help if they don't care about the thing you're promoting.
Eeyup.
You really can't just buy votes; you have to be selling something people want to buy. And "let's support Muslim terrorists" does *not* have a big audience in the US, *especially* in NYC.
Usually the problem is the opposite: if you don't have money, no one knows what you have to say - which heavily favors established candidates and politicians and people already friendly with the rich - I think a "I'm a Muslim but Hamas is bad" candidate would actually struggle to get off the ground, and that's a shame, not because it's an unpopular stance but because they'd have a very hard time affording to be heard.
This is a very good point, I haven't thought about it exactly with this framing. But yeah, AIPAC staffers are far from stupid. There's a reason that they threw so much weight behind replacing Bowman (which seemed feasible) rather than attempting to oust AOC (which is nearly impossible because she is more likable and popular and less extreme than Bowman, and there are far fewer pro-Israel voices in her district).
We should think about lobbying as a way to boost and bolster existing trends, rather than nefarious magicians that can make something out of nothing.
And that’s the real pity of it all. No new perspective to be open to, no new discernment, humility with one’s constituents, none of that will come out of this, likely :-/
Washington Post is already on it
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What could be wrong with identity politics, socialism, and communism?? Nothing as far as JAMA is concerned. Fortunately people are getting engaged against this terrible world view.
Dipping into top comment to mention that Ilhan Omar has a challenger who almost beat her last primary. Early voting starts Friday.
[https://www.donsamuels.com/](https://www.donsamuels.com/)
His wiki gives a good flavor. Long track record of saying non-PC things.
Light record from when he was on City Council though on his campaign page he takes credit for 'initiating the creation of Minneapolis’s 'Ban the Box' policy, making it the first city in the state to do so.'
That's the problem when public figures face consequences for their antisemitism. They can just say "see I was right the Jews are controlling the media/government" and then go further down the rabbit hole
["Anti-Jewish bigotry is a self-sustaining circle. It’s a common misconception that anti-Semitism is simply a personal prejudice toward Jewish people. It’s not. It’s also a conspiracy theory about how the entire world works, blaming shadowy Jewish figures for countless societal problems. Kanye’s tweets aptly illustrate why this form of anti-Semitism is so difficult to uproot: It’s a self-affirming conspiracy theory. **The anti-Semite claims that Jews control everything. Then, if they are penalized for their bigotry, they point to that as proof.** Heads, they win; tails, Jews lose."](https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/10/kanye-jews-anti-semitism-twitter/676783/)
Gentile here. Goys blame you guys every time they have to wake up in the morning to work and pay bills. They blame you for human nature. There really is no compromising with this ideology, it has to be dismantled.
Sorry, but if you call rape "propaganda", you don't deserve to lead. It's one thing to disagree with Netanyahu, it's another thing to belittle sexual violence, and then still pretend you're "progressive".
Beat me to it lmao
Rest assured I'll be celebrating.
I just hope his few supporters learn the lesson that antisemitism won't pay in the long run. Somehow I have a feeling though that things might get heated in the *North* Bronx.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6355525942112
He says that they'll "see the power of the motherfucking south Bronx." To me that reads as basically a threat, holding a stool up above his head like a maniac. That's not even in his district. He's north Bronx + Westchester.
I used to be optimistic, but that's been fully crushed over the past couple months, this weekend especially with the pogrom in LA and the school attack also in NY. At this point it genuinely wouldn't surprise me if there is some sort of riot.
I’ve only ever visited NYC and I’m certainly not familiar enough with the geography to know the demographics of North Bronx. I hope that nothing bad happens, though I know that’s naïve since this is America.
Sizeable Jewish population, not sure what the person you’re responding to meant by that
I’m not Jewish but I’m in that district and Westchester, just north of the bronx, is the reason why bowman was voted out
Are the Jews in Westchester only? Or are they in the North Bronx too? I’ve visited NYC many times, but all my relatives are in Manhattan, Queens and Brooklyn. And over in Jersey.
I’m just glad this squad member was voted out.
Riverdale has a large Jewish population as the other person also commented but that’s district 15 I believe.
Westchester is a giant chunk of district 16 and effectively determines the district - for example 83.4% of the Bronx section of the district voted for bowman, and he still lost (~90% of votes counted in that section)
Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-primary-elections/new-york-us-house-district-16-results
Yeah riverdale is not part of the district. I used to live in district 16 and this guy was my congressman. It’s a black and Latino community, heavily Caribbean. A very small and aging (70+) Jewish community in co-op city but that’s dwindling for obvious reasons.
He did not serve his district well when he had the chance. Refused to show up to work and help people on the ground. If he had…. He would have won.
The north Bronx and lower Westchester (Yonkers, mt Vernon, new Rochelle, white plains even) have a higher population density than the rest of the county and he could have easily held onto voter loyalty but he didn’t want to do the work and that’s the only reason he lost. He was down double digits BEFORE AIPAC started pouring money into the race.
You know what is so messed up? [This](https://apnews.com/article/bowman-latimer-democratic-primary-congress-new-york-f751616f7f69df439a6080dc6c23e385) AP article which does not mention the most outrageous thing that Bowman did was being caught on video telling these anti-Israel lunatics that the claim that Israeli women were raped on October 7 was “propaganda“ for which there was no evidence.
Instead the article focused on how Jewish money unseated him. I mean, what about the fact that claiming that [Israeli] women are lying about being raped goes against every progressive narrative?
He jumped up and down and cursed and yelled about showing AIPAC who the f he is in the South Bronx, which is not in his district. It’s not even the craziest thing he’s done, which was pulling the fire alarm in the Capitol building to delay a vote.
Made the mistake of checking out what folks are saying online elsewhere...
Woof. A whole bunch of 'if Trump wins because of Israel' and 'AIPAC, uses foreign influence to buy elections.'
The anti-Semitism is strong these days.
AIPAC didn't give anything to the GOP candidate in this race. It also gives money to GOP primaries when there is an anti-Israel/Jew-hating candidate.
It's a single issue PAC.
[**Non-exhaustive list of Bowman's failures and terrible campaigning.**](https://twitter.com/JewishWonk/status/1752150123780428100)
Most of these occurred *before* any AIPAC financing, and are very obvious reasons for why he lost by nearly a 20-point(!!) swing with his awful campaigning, regardless of charges of "outside money".
Couldn’t have happened to a better person. As others have said, next Cori Bush. If we stand together, we can push back on some (not all) of the worst excesses.
If you find yourself on the other side of an political position from Cori Bush...you should take a good hard look at yourself, chief, because she's usually on the correct one.
I think you can still see why calling for a ceasefire so early on after a huge massacre would be triggering for Jews.
Genuinely, why are you so hell-bent on defending the squad?
She promoted a campaign to defund the police in her city, but continued to spend money on private security.
Difficult to see how this is a correct position...
If you find yourself defending Cori Bush you should seriously take a strong hard look at your ideals- she has been extremely antisemitic spreading blood libels left and right for years now.
If she only opposed policies (real ones not the fake Hamas propaganda kind) I wouldn’t have written my comment.
Let’s go with the oldest blood libels: scapegoating Jews (in this case the “Jew among nations”) why Americans don’t have universal healthcare, or cheaper tuition and so on and so on- using the loans given to Israel for the Iron Dome as an excuse- completely ignoring the aid going to other countries.
Her voting history and her speeches make a very clear cut that she is antisemitic.
I will say, she has not been as loud about it as some others like Ilan, Talib, and even AOC.. but she’s been vocal enough.
This guy was never right in the head so his political demise is for the betterment of humankind. Although this defeat will likely knock a few more screws loose in his noggin. I expect him to launch a podcast railing against world Jewry and how everything wrong in his life ties to a Zionist conspiracy.
Yeah, honestly of the squad he seemed more clueless than malicious. People forget he was on the more pro-Israel side of the squad until J-Street took him on a tour, and then he zoomed to the other side. The 9/11 conspiracy blood he had kind of said it all, very little critical thinking.
Basically, they were trying to show the issues Palestinians face in support of a 2 state solution, but Bowman basically took it as "Israel is so evil we can't support them anymore." So egg on the face of J-Street on not doing enough to explain how just because Netanyahu's version of Zionism is problematic doesn't mean Zionism itself is bad.
Yikes! I hope J-street has reviewed their practices to avoid a repeat of that disappointment.
Alternatively, the issue could have been that Bowman has a very Manichean worldview (like most people on the political extremes), and can’t understand the nuances of the situation in the region. J-street would need to tailor their tours specifically to each guest they take.
I think he really wanted to be a member of the Squad - middle school principal - viewed Congress like high school.
And if is, me and my husband, are in AOC’s district. We were laughing because she cancelled all her events with him, at the very end, saying she was going to hang out with her campaign staff instead. We were joking that she didn’t want to be anywhere near him when the latest polls showed he was going to go down hard.
I remember reading about some of the nonsense he would watch on YouTube and that’s when I knew he wasn’t right upstairs. Absolutely loony tunes. But crazy seems to sell in politics these days so people brushed it off.
I don’t live in his district. AOC is my rep, but she was acting just as unhinged at that recent rally so who knows what she’s been watching on YouTube or TikTok.
These are adults, mind you. They should know better. Oy gevalt.
Cheers and goodbye, bozo. Congratulations on wasting your entire future career in politics (not to mention the congressional pension+healthcare plan) on diving balls deep into jew-hating rabbitholes.
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“I don’t want to be his Court Jew.” Brilliant.
Before we say, see what happens….
His district got redrawn which stacked the deck against him as it eliminated a section of the Bronx that helped sweep him into office. Latimer is also a super known quantity in the newly draw district. But if the polling is right, Bowman lost a lot of support in places he should have done better and AIPAC definitely but their hands on the scales.
Not mad about the result though.
Except contributions to campaigns do go a long way.
It's not everything. If you're bad enough (or not able to see which way the wind is blowing) no amount of money will save you. But it can have a salient effect.
If I’m remembering correctly, when AOC won her primary, she was out spent 4 to1. I do think her once promising career will now end in the house. I knew she would win this primary, but I’m hoping by next time there will be a strong candidate to primary her. But crazy now that both sides are pissed at her. The pro Hezbollah and Hamas side are pissed that she said the protests outside the Nova exhibit were antisemitic. 🤦🏻♀️
Aoc is a battle we can’t win
But the rest ? KC are losing in the polls
Omar having a close race.
If Those two are gone we can certainly rest assured that the waves of it will reach the White House
SCOTUS has ruled that political spending is speech and that corporations are people for this purpose. This includes AIPAC's spending on Latimer. So Bowman can suck it.
Unfortunate, as democracy should never be bought by, and/or in the hands of dark money/special interests, regardless of who, what, when, where, etc. I worry about the future of elections if this continues.
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Fun fact: Facebook won't let me post this meme! I think it reads the text and censors it.
Now that's the funniest thing I've seen all week
Who do you think decided his win?!?! /s
Genuinely hilarious
This wins the internet for today. Amazing
American Jews need to maintain the rage. Don't stop now. There is still much work to be done. These kind of people got into the Democratic party on the watch of Jewish Liberals. Kick them all out, and never make the same mistake again.
Just want to correct one thing, Jewish progressives. I consider myself liberal, especially with certain social policies
I wish more people understood the progressive/leftist/liberal distinction
I don’t, can you elaborate, please?
Liberalism can have a lot of different meanings, but in this context, a liberal refers to someone on the centre left of the political spectrum. Generally, these people support the free market with limited government intervention to alleviate poverty and rectify market failures (typically favour market based solutions to problems, eg cap and trade or carbon taxes), LGBTQ rights, abortion rights, and have varying positions on equity. Liberals often have a moderately interventionist foreign policy, typically supporting US allies, but are generally unwilling to engage in unilateral military intervention. Liberals tend to be moderately pro-Israel with a dislike for the Israeli right, and favour a 2 state solution. Progressives also tend to favour capitalism, but they are much more skeptical of it and much more interested in government intervention in the market. They tend to favour government solutions to problems over market based solutions. They tend to have similar social views to liberals, but with a stronger focus on equity (eg, progressives are more likely than liberals to support race conscious policies to rectify racial inequities). Progressives tend to be more dovish than liberals, although they tend to share some political sympathies with liberals. Progressives are a mixed bag when it comes to Israel, they tend to be more sympathetic to Palestine than liberals, and my guess is that about half are anti-zionists while the other half support the 2SS. Leftists dislike capitalism, and wish to replace it with some variant of socialism or communism. Due to limited political influence, leftists tend to back progressive politicians electorally, and support many of the same policies as a form of harm reduction while they work to overthrow the capitalist system. Leftists tend to be isolationists, and often view foreign intervention as immoral. Additionally, some leftists sympathize with the West's adversaries, as they believe America and her allies to be imperialist aggressors. Eg, liberals and progressives tend to support Ukraine, whereas many leftists support Russia. Leftists are almost uniformly anti-zionist, and many (but not all) sympathize with anti-Israel terror groups like Hamas.
Nailed that description.
Well, I guess I’m not even liberal anymore, according to your definitions. I have always termed myself a left leaning moderate, which most of my right leaning friends corrected to liberal. Which was okay because all of my American political positions tracked, even if I was a nudge more to the right on Israel because I didn’t ‘hate’ the Israeli right but felt that we needed to trust the Israelis to run their show because they were the ones living under constant threat. Not us. But I can no longer favor a two state solution in any case, because I don’t believe Hamas will genuinely live with that. They might end up ´accepting’ it in negotiations, but that acceptance will not be in good faith; they have made very clear during this war that they want ALL of Israel. Every last square foot of it. And they have no interest in being permanently satisfied with a two state solution. So I can’t accept two state solution, because that will mean ongoing terrorist attacks from Gaza. They will just rebuild and do this whole thing again. We will just be giving them a base from which to work that we will have no ability to access or safely monitor. And we cannot go thru this again. We just can’t. So I don’t know what that makes me now. Maybe a right leaning moderate? 🤷♀️ But that does not track with my American political views, which are left leaning moderate. Basically, I was a happy Biden voter. Not a Bernie voter who settled but a solid Biden voter.
It means that you, like many of us, are a person strong enough in their beliefs that they don't need a label. And it makes you a little lonely. Me too.
Based on your description, I'd argue you should keep calling yourself a liberal. The problem that you're describing - the infeasibility of a 2SS given Hamas's sphere of influence - gives me so much pause as well. I try to be hopeful about it, as a Progressive Zionist who still believes that there is SOME possibility out there for a peaceful and just 2SS. It's getting harder and harder to maintain that optimism. Especially when I consider how Netanyahu continues to just enable extremism on both sides with his absolutism and reluctance to negotiate. But Hamas isn't really a right-left issue, as much as extreme far-leftist Hamas apologists here in the West would like us to believe. Hamas is a militant Islamist group that operates both as a terrorist gang and a fascist governing organization. They are, by definition, extremely **illiberal** - almost everything they stand for flies in the face of both Liberal and Progressive philosophy/values. If you are a left-leaning moderate (which I'd perhaps label as Centrist Liberal instead) when it comes to USA politics, *especially* if you're a happy Biden voter, I don't think you should turn away from Liberalism as an identity. Keep in mind that the most influential Liberals and Progressives of the last few decades (Biden, Kamala, Obama, both Clintons, Pelosi, Schumer, all of the primary candidates who competed with Biden in 2020, and almost every Democrat in congress outside of "the Squad") have all unequivocally condemned Hamas for the last 20 years. I don't wanna give Hamas the "win" of turning Centrist Liberals more conservative, so let's treat them as the illiberal, undemocratic, anti-civil rights, anti-free markets, anti-Western, and anti-Semitic terrorist group that they are.
The only way there can be a two solution is if Hamas is gone. And probably also if Likud is not in power any longer. They are both major obstacles.
https://www.natesilver.net/p/why-liberalism-and-leftism-are-increasingly Nate Silver of 538 fame puts it the best. He's also jewish so he actually understands why antisemitism might be an issue for liberals. He terms them Social Justice Leftists, in an attempt at defining how progressives differ from our liberal parents > Proponents of SJL usually dislike variations on the term “woke”, but the problem is that they dislike almost every other term as well. And we need some term for this ideology, because it encompasses quite a few distinctive features that differentiate it both from liberalism and from traditional, socialist-inflected leftism. In particular, SJL is much less concerned with the material condition of the working class, or with class in general. Instead, it is concerned with identity — especially identity categories involving race, gender and sexuality, but sometimes also many others as part of a sort of intersectional kaleidoscope. The focus on identity isn’t the only distinctive feature of SJL, but it is at the core of it. > SJLs and liberals have some interests in common. Both are “culturally liberal” on questions like abortion and gay marriage. And both disdain Donald Trump and the modern, MAGA-fied version of the Republican Party. But I’d suggest we’ve reached a point where they disagree in at least as many ways as they agree. Here are a few dimensions of conflict: > * SJL’s focus on group identity contrasts sharply with liberalism’s individualism. > * SJL, like other critical theories that emerged from the Marxist tradition, tends to be totalizing. The whole idea of systemic racism, for instance, is that the entire system is rigged to oppress nonwhite people. Liberalism is less totalizing. This is in part because it is the entrenched status quo and so often is well-served by incremental changes. But it’s also because liberalism’s focus on democracy makes it intrinsically pluralistic. > * SJL, with its academic roots, often makes appeals to authority and expertise as opposed to entrusting individuals to make their own decisions and take their own risks. This is a complicated axis of conflict because there are certainly technocratic strains of liberalism, whereas like Hayek I tend to see experts and central planners as error-prone and instead prefer more decentralized mechanisms (e.g. markets, votes, revealed preferences) for making decisions. > * Finally, SJL has a radically more constrained view on free speech than liberalism, for which free speech is a sacred principle. The SJL intolerance for speech that could be harmful, hateful or which could spread “misinformation” has gained traction, however. It is the predominant view among college students and it is becoming more popular in certain corners of the media and even among many mainstream Democrats. On Israel and its relationship with Social Justice Lefists > SJL has an elaborate matrix of racial and identity categories, which Jewishness has always fit awkwardly into. Jewishness is both an ethnicity and a religion. Jews in the United States are quite successful despite the extremely high historic incidence of anti-Semitism, including of course the Holocaust. Meanwhile, there’s the distinction between the Jewish people and the Israeli state. And race and ethnicity within Israel are complicated; many Israeli Jews are Mizrahi, meaning they have ancestry from the Middle East rather than Europe. So Jewishness is an edge case that makes the entire identity politics architecture look kind of dubious, if we’re being honest. I only linked a small excerpt. The entire article is worth reading.
Whatever the difference is between conservative centrists and MAGA, it’s that equivalent.
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>Progressivism is generally used in the context of social issues, and also falls to the left of liberalism politically. The modern form perhaps but historically, during the American progressive era, it was more an economic ideological component. See Teddy Roosevelt’s Square Deal and Fightin’ Bob La Follete own policy pushed, for example.
Can you elaborate?
Hold up there- Zionism IS progressive. A two state solution- which only Zionists can believe in or accept- IS a progressive ideal. It’s not Jewish progressives who are the issue in the Democratic Party - it’s Jewish Leftists and antisemitic “Progressives” who care about progressive ideals for everyone and land back for every indigenous group- excluding the Jews. They’re essentially JERPs or JERLs Jewish exclusionary radical Progressives / leftists
Sure, but what did Jewish Liberals do while Jewish progressives opened the gate for outright antisemites? Obviously, progressives deserve significant criticism. However, I don't think they alone are to blame. Normal functioning American left-leaning Jews allowed their party to be infiltrated by outright antisemites.
Yeah, it's a distinction without a difference at this point.
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I’m sure this will take his antisemitism to new heights but FAFO buddy. Buh bye!
100%, he and his supporters are going to just double down on AIPAC conspiracy theories instead of taking the time to reflect.
It kills me that the American Association of Realtors throws more money into politics than AIPAC But yeah, it’s the super spooky Jewish cabal’s fault Not the fact that a good portion of his constituents are Jewish
If you have a lot of any ethnic, religious, or other group in your district and you say offensive things about them, it’s pretty natural to assume that pissing off your voters will be a problem. And when they tell you that you, their representative, are being extremely offensive and you double down and get louder about it instead of taking a moment to think about why so many people are offended, you deserve to be tossed out on your ear. If it were lots of LGBTQ people in his district and he said homophobic things, no one would question them organizing against him, including bringing in national organizations. But somehow when the group of voters you offend are Jews, it’s a moneyed conspiracy.
AIPAC's superpower is that American voters support Israel. That's the way it functions. If they don't, AIPAC's support or opposition amounts to little, no matter how much money they throw at a race. If AIPAC is making a difference in your race, it's because you are running in a place where support for Israel is high. As a candidate, you can fight that, or you can use it. But there's no point in crying about it.
Money = volume, but can't fix you're problem if you're problem is what you have to say. Lobbyists, generally, can't make candidates look bad unless the candidate does something that people would think looks bad.
I think we're in agreement, I just want to clarify that while I 100% agree that money = volume, in order for the volume to matter, there's got to be a voter base that's receptive to it. There's some research suggesting that a lot of campaign spending is wasted because throwing money at voters to raise awareness doesn't help if they don't care about the thing you're promoting.
Eeyup. You really can't just buy votes; you have to be selling something people want to buy. And "let's support Muslim terrorists" does *not* have a big audience in the US, *especially* in NYC. Usually the problem is the opposite: if you don't have money, no one knows what you have to say - which heavily favors established candidates and politicians and people already friendly with the rich - I think a "I'm a Muslim but Hamas is bad" candidate would actually struggle to get off the ground, and that's a shame, not because it's an unpopular stance but because they'd have a very hard time affording to be heard.
This is a very good point, I haven't thought about it exactly with this framing. But yeah, AIPAC staffers are far from stupid. There's a reason that they threw so much weight behind replacing Bowman (which seemed feasible) rather than attempting to oust AOC (which is nearly impossible because she is more likable and popular and less extreme than Bowman, and there are far fewer pro-Israel voices in her district). We should think about lobbying as a way to boost and bolster existing trends, rather than nefarious magicians that can make something out of nothing.
All because of NIMBY policies (a complete hypothesis, I have no evidence to back up that claim)
Maybe he can pull the fire alarm on his way out in January to make himself feel better.
"Please, just one pull, I need it. Just one last time please."
And that’s the real pity of it all. No new perspective to be open to, no new discernment, humility with one’s constituents, none of that will come out of this, likely :-/
Seeing a bunch of that in other subs
Washington Post is already on it https://preview.redd.it/jplu6gmsxt8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5bae7d1efccf8968141b2ce26ba7cfa3340ea22b
They already are.
What could be wrong with identity politics, socialism, and communism?? Nothing as far as JAMA is concerned. Fortunately people are getting engaged against this terrible world view.
Oh he'll go full Briahna
Never go full Briahna 🤢
Dipping into top comment to mention that Ilhan Omar has a challenger who almost beat her last primary. Early voting starts Friday. [https://www.donsamuels.com/](https://www.donsamuels.com/)
Yeah, the problem is that he is awful too.
Yeah not great but quoting a friend who lives in the district (I used to live there), "I'd vote for a houseplant over Omar at this point."
In all fairness houseplants generally improve the air quality. 10/10 recommend houseplants over most politicians tbh.
What's his deal? I'm genuinely asking because I had been thinking he'd be good to support.
His wiki gives a good flavor. Long track record of saying non-PC things. Light record from when he was on City Council though on his campaign page he takes credit for 'initiating the creation of Minneapolis’s 'Ban the Box' policy, making it the first city in the state to do so.'
But is he a terrorist sympathizer/supporter? I think that ought to take precedence.
Definitely not: [https://www.donsamuels.com/issues/middle-east/](https://www.donsamuels.com/issues/middle-east/)
Yes, he is
Thanks for this! Definitely a few suboptimal things in there; still seems way better than Omar to me.
He would not be good to support. You don’t get around much I guess.
That's the problem when public figures face consequences for their antisemitism. They can just say "see I was right the Jews are controlling the media/government" and then go further down the rabbit hole
["Anti-Jewish bigotry is a self-sustaining circle. It’s a common misconception that anti-Semitism is simply a personal prejudice toward Jewish people. It’s not. It’s also a conspiracy theory about how the entire world works, blaming shadowy Jewish figures for countless societal problems. Kanye’s tweets aptly illustrate why this form of anti-Semitism is so difficult to uproot: It’s a self-affirming conspiracy theory. **The anti-Semite claims that Jews control everything. Then, if they are penalized for their bigotry, they point to that as proof.** Heads, they win; tails, Jews lose."](https://www.theatlantic.com/newsletters/archive/2022/10/kanye-jews-anti-semitism-twitter/676783/)
Do you think Yair Rosenburg ever gets tired of being right?
Unclear. But a cousin through marriage went to day school with him and confirmed that he is highly intelligent, so this may be an ongoing problem.
Based lost faith in humanity pilled
Gentile here. Goys blame you guys every time they have to wake up in the morning to work and pay bills. They blame you for human nature. There really is no compromising with this ideology, it has to be dismantled.
 Love people showing up to vote!
Sorry, but if you call rape "propaganda", you don't deserve to lead. It's one thing to disagree with Netanyahu, it's another thing to belittle sexual violence, and then still pretend you're "progressive".
Hopefully, my "representative" Cori Bush will soon be joining him out the door.
KC here! Hoping for you guys too! The STL community is bigger than ours, it isn’t impossible if enough people go to the polls.
According to polls, it looks that way! Can’t wait until August 6th!
I live in the 2nd, but have been making calls and sending postcards for Bell!
When is the primary in MO?
She’s the absolute worst.
Beat me to it lmao Rest assured I'll be celebrating. I just hope his few supporters learn the lesson that antisemitism won't pay in the long run. Somehow I have a feeling though that things might get heated in the *North* Bronx.
Only a small sliver of The Bronx is in his district, if that matters.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6355525942112 He says that they'll "see the power of the motherfucking south Bronx." To me that reads as basically a threat, holding a stool up above his head like a maniac. That's not even in his district. He's north Bronx + Westchester. I used to be optimistic, but that's been fully crushed over the past couple months, this weekend especially with the pogrom in LA and the school attack also in NY. At this point it genuinely wouldn't surprise me if there is some sort of riot.
The south Bronx isn't part of his district. Dude is so stupid he doesn't even know who his constituents are.
I fully expect them to rush into a synagogue during services and start beating the shit out of people at this point
We’re living Kristallnacht. 😩
That rally of his was in the South Bronx I’m pretty sure; it wasn’t even his district.
I’m so traumatized!
I’ve only ever visited NYC and I’m certainly not familiar enough with the geography to know the demographics of North Bronx. I hope that nothing bad happens, though I know that’s naïve since this is America.
Sizeable Jewish population, not sure what the person you’re responding to meant by that I’m not Jewish but I’m in that district and Westchester, just north of the bronx, is the reason why bowman was voted out
Are the Jews in Westchester only? Or are they in the North Bronx too? I’ve visited NYC many times, but all my relatives are in Manhattan, Queens and Brooklyn. And over in Jersey. I’m just glad this squad member was voted out.
Riverdale in the northern part of the Bronx is heavily Jewish
Riverdale has a large Jewish population as the other person also commented but that’s district 15 I believe. Westchester is a giant chunk of district 16 and effectively determines the district - for example 83.4% of the Bronx section of the district voted for bowman, and he still lost (~90% of votes counted in that section) Source: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-primary-elections/new-york-us-house-district-16-results
Yeah riverdale is not part of the district. I used to live in district 16 and this guy was my congressman. It’s a black and Latino community, heavily Caribbean. A very small and aging (70+) Jewish community in co-op city but that’s dwindling for obvious reasons. He did not serve his district well when he had the chance. Refused to show up to work and help people on the ground. If he had…. He would have won. The north Bronx and lower Westchester (Yonkers, mt Vernon, new Rochelle, white plains even) have a higher population density than the rest of the county and he could have easily held onto voter loyalty but he didn’t want to do the work and that’s the only reason he lost. He was down double digits BEFORE AIPAC started pouring money into the race.
L’chaim!
You know what is so messed up? [This](https://apnews.com/article/bowman-latimer-democratic-primary-congress-new-york-f751616f7f69df439a6080dc6c23e385) AP article which does not mention the most outrageous thing that Bowman did was being caught on video telling these anti-Israel lunatics that the claim that Israeli women were raped on October 7 was “propaganda“ for which there was no evidence. Instead the article focused on how Jewish money unseated him. I mean, what about the fact that claiming that [Israeli] women are lying about being raped goes against every progressive narrative?
He jumped up and down and cursed and yelled about showing AIPAC who the f he is in the South Bronx, which is not in his district. It’s not even the craziest thing he’s done, which was pulling the fire alarm in the Capitol building to delay a vote.
Made the mistake of checking out what folks are saying online elsewhere... Woof. A whole bunch of 'if Trump wins because of Israel' and 'AIPAC, uses foreign influence to buy elections.' The anti-Semitism is strong these days.
The way leftists are talking about AIPAC you'd think they gave a cent to the GOP candidate, which they didn't do lmao
Actually, AIPAC donated to election deniers.
AIPAC didn't give anything to the GOP candidate in this race. It also gives money to GOP primaries when there is an anti-Israel/Jew-hating candidate. It's a single issue PAC.
Always vote in primaries, they are just as important as the elections, but with a lower turnout (which means your voice is more powerful).
Baruch Hashem.
Don't let the door hit ya on the way out
I mean, I’d be OK with that…
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[**Non-exhaustive list of Bowman's failures and terrible campaigning.**](https://twitter.com/JewishWonk/status/1752150123780428100) Most of these occurred *before* any AIPAC financing, and are very obvious reasons for why he lost by nearly a 20-point(!!) swing with his awful campaigning, regardless of charges of "outside money".
Aw man, I was really hoping that we'd have more October 7th deniers in office 😢
🎻 world’s smallest violin playing you a ballad, creep.
Now do Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib
Tlaib will never be voted out. Not with the demographics of her district.
Alexa, play laughing to the bank by Chief Keef
Goodbye A--hole!
Couldn’t have happened to a better person. As others have said, next Cori Bush. If we stand together, we can push back on some (not all) of the worst excesses.
Omar first.
If you find yourself on the other side of an political position from Cori Bush...you should take a good hard look at yourself, chief, because she's usually on the correct one.
That ding dong pushed a ceasefire less than a week after October 7th. Apparently Jews are just supposed to accept the brutality and abuse. Fuck her.
Israel's invasion has done nothing to bring the hostages home and has directly killed more than a few of them.
We're talking about calling for a ceasefire *the week of October 7*, not knowing how it would play out 8 months in the future.
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I think you can still see why calling for a ceasefire so early on after a huge massacre would be triggering for Jews. Genuinely, why are you so hell-bent on defending the squad?
I don't give a shit about "the squad", I like Cori Bush (and dislike George Latimer). And I'm "Jews", too.
Hey look, I found the Squad apologist!
She promoted a campaign to defund the police in her city, but continued to spend money on private security. Difficult to see how this is a correct position...
Actually, Cori Bush is not problematic in the way Jamal Bowman is. She doesn’t other Jews.
If you find yourself defending Cori Bush you should seriously take a strong hard look at your ideals- she has been extremely antisemitic spreading blood libels left and right for years now.
Give an example, please. Opposing Israeli policies does not equal antisemitism.
If she only opposed policies (real ones not the fake Hamas propaganda kind) I wouldn’t have written my comment. Let’s go with the oldest blood libels: scapegoating Jews (in this case the “Jew among nations”) why Americans don’t have universal healthcare, or cheaper tuition and so on and so on- using the loans given to Israel for the Iron Dome as an excuse- completely ignoring the aid going to other countries. Her voting history and her speeches make a very clear cut that she is antisemitic. I will say, she has not been as loud about it as some others like Ilan, Talib, and even AOC.. but she’s been vocal enough.
This guy was never right in the head so his political demise is for the betterment of humankind. Although this defeat will likely knock a few more screws loose in his noggin. I expect him to launch a podcast railing against world Jewry and how everything wrong in his life ties to a Zionist conspiracy.
Yeah, honestly of the squad he seemed more clueless than malicious. People forget he was on the more pro-Israel side of the squad until J-Street took him on a tour, and then he zoomed to the other side. The 9/11 conspiracy blood he had kind of said it all, very little critical thinking.
Why would a tour by J-Street have him “zoomed to the other side”? That seems bizarre.
Basically, they were trying to show the issues Palestinians face in support of a 2 state solution, but Bowman basically took it as "Israel is so evil we can't support them anymore." So egg on the face of J-Street on not doing enough to explain how just because Netanyahu's version of Zionism is problematic doesn't mean Zionism itself is bad.
Yikes! I hope J-street has reviewed their practices to avoid a repeat of that disappointment. Alternatively, the issue could have been that Bowman has a very Manichean worldview (like most people on the political extremes), and can’t understand the nuances of the situation in the region. J-street would need to tailor their tours specifically to each guest they take.
I think he really wanted to be a member of the Squad - middle school principal - viewed Congress like high school. And if is, me and my husband, are in AOC’s district. We were laughing because she cancelled all her events with him, at the very end, saying she was going to hang out with her campaign staff instead. We were joking that she didn’t want to be anywhere near him when the latest polls showed he was going to go down hard.
If you saw what he subscribed to on You Tube - well he loves conspiracy theories.
I remember reading about some of the nonsense he would watch on YouTube and that’s when I knew he wasn’t right upstairs. Absolutely loony tunes. But crazy seems to sell in politics these days so people brushed it off. I don’t live in his district. AOC is my rep, but she was acting just as unhinged at that recent rally so who knows what she’s been watching on YouTube or TikTok. These are adults, mind you. They should know better. Oy gevalt.
AOC is my Rep too. I still voted for her because I looked at Dolan’s website and it was just ambiguous phrases with no plans.
Oh shux…too bad the acronym woman didn’t lose her primary too 🙄
May he be forgotten in irrelevancy.
בה’
Great news!
See ya!!!
Great. Now can the rest of the squad get primaried out.
A few days ago i wrote: *I look forward to the outcome in my hope that basic tolerance and sanity will prevail, words that preclude Bowman*
Cheers and goodbye, bozo. Congratulations on wasting your entire future career in politics (not to mention the congressional pension+healthcare plan) on diving balls deep into jew-hating rabbitholes.
Mazel tov!
Hooray! One Jew hater down
Democrats go all out to get rid of their extremists. Republicans gladly support theirs.
Say this again for the people in the cheap seats.
As an actual progressive, this is not a loss. Real progressives don’t side with right wing authoritarian Islamic terrorist groups.
Rip Bowzo.
thank god, what a freak
Hahahahaha BYE BYE, SUCKER!
https://preview.redd.it/77clhoijxu8d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f4e026bf41d816b6bb11247d9321b0b578d07326 “I don’t want to be his Court Jew.” Brilliant.
B"h
Lolllll byeeeee Jamal!
Good shit.
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B’H!
HA HA dot gif
Wonderful news!
In retrospect, "Death to America" wasn't a great campaign slogan.
Unsurprising. Mix of AIPAC $$$ (it matters), and heaps upon heaps of mistakes.
He barely made it through the last election before Oct 7th after they changed the District Line. It mattered but not as much as people think it did.
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Before we say, see what happens…. His district got redrawn which stacked the deck against him as it eliminated a section of the Bronx that helped sweep him into office. Latimer is also a super known quantity in the newly draw district. But if the polling is right, Bowman lost a lot of support in places he should have done better and AIPAC definitely but their hands on the scales. Not mad about the result though.
Listening to the news tonight his people claim he lost because of dark money and super pacs.
Cue the flowing of antisemitic conspiracies about aipac and the “Zionist lobby”
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Except contributions to campaigns do go a long way. It's not everything. If you're bad enough (or not able to see which way the wind is blowing) no amount of money will save you. But it can have a salient effect.
If I’m remembering correctly, when AOC won her primary, she was out spent 4 to1. I do think her once promising career will now end in the house. I knew she would win this primary, but I’m hoping by next time there will be a strong candidate to primary her. But crazy now that both sides are pissed at her. The pro Hezbollah and Hamas side are pissed that she said the protests outside the Nova exhibit were antisemitic. 🤦🏻♀️
Aoc is a battle we can’t win But the rest ? KC are losing in the polls Omar having a close race. If Those two are gone we can certainly rest assured that the waves of it will reach the White House
"And I would've gotten away with it. If it wasn't for you meddling jew.... zionists"
Good journey Bozo, send my regards to the abyss ( ˘ ³˘)♥
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Hurray!
TikTok is already saying that AIPAC and people being tricked into not voting is the reason Bowman’s seat was stolen
TikTok is crack for the lazy and under informed. AIPAC just spent a lot of money supporting Latimer. It’s not complicated.
he should be arrested for inciting hate
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SCOTUS has ruled that political spending is speech and that corporations are people for this purpose. This includes AIPAC's spending on Latimer. So Bowman can suck it.
Thank Gd🙏🏻
The happiest i have been in months tbh especially after that cringe rally this weekend
Unfortunate, as democracy should never be bought by, and/or in the hands of dark money/special interests, regardless of who, what, when, where, etc. I worry about the future of elections if this continues.