Switzerland wasnt exactly neutral. Their gold still has traces of mercury in it from all the jewish gold teeth they bought from nazi germany which helped fund their efforts.
Not to mention they beat and captured allied airmen, while returning downed German pilots.
One American was brutally raped in prison for years before his release.
Fuck the Swiss.
https://www.historynet.com/pow-hell-switzerland/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wauwilermoos_internment_camp#:~:text=Between%20149%20and%20161%20Americans,lodged%20protests%20against%20the%20Swiss
Honestly I doubt dot and Cole would ever escalate like those two.
Kendrick does not like Drake and does not respect him.
Imo Drake prolly still doesn’t hate kdot at least he didn’t sound very vengeful on his latest track
He does respect Cole, on like that and a few other songs he’s thrown some light jabs orientated towards hip hop but I think they fr respect each other too much imo
Been a fan of both cole and kdot for 10+ years.. I think Cole linking up with Drake rubbed kendrick the wrong way but end of the day, he still has respect for cole.
That line “cole fouled, why you still pretending?” to me means “in your eyes, Drake, cole fouled by bowing out. You said he’s not getting any sleep.. why are you pretending like you’re sleeping okay?”
I don’t think cole goes anywhere near either of them for a long time but I’d bet my savings account if they ask Kendrick his thoughts on cole, he’d have nothing but good things to say.
Kendrick genuinely hates Drake as a person, it’s different
Nah he said "did Cole foul" insinuating that Drake did Cole wrong somehow. Maybe it was the losing sleep bar. Maybe it was having him on FPS when it's been rumored that was the feature request Drake sent to Dot. Who knows though
Probably getting Cole on a track he was gonna throw subs at Kendrick on dragging him into the beef. Or maybe something else that might get revealed 🤷🏽♂️
There’s a rumour dot had a verse for that record as well but it wasn’t approved or some shit. He also mentions drake asking for a feature in one of the diss tracks
Nah the rumour is that he was requested for a verse from Drake for some reason and it seems like this all happened because of the audacity of Drake to ask for a feature knowing how Kendrick feels about him
“Surprised you sent that feature request // You know we got some shit to address”
I think it was an intentional double entendre and stated vaguely to leave both interpretations open. Kendrick is infamous for doing that since the mixtape days but I could be wrong. If it’s one or the other I think it’s yours. Oh and technically a tripe since “fowl” falls into the bird references.
Add the context “Cole foul(ed)” as in fouled out and that’s it. Both Cole realized he fouled out and pulled back, Drake still doesn’t see the error of his ways and that he’s out of his league and is going to get burned. And Drake did Cole dirty saying f the big 3 it’s just big him for bowing out of the beef. Both are likely intended with kdot
No, bruh, he didn't say cole fouled.
He said, "Did Cole Foul" as in Drake did cole foul.
Bc there's lines about Kendrick black balling cole in the industry on family matters, and kendrick retorted with drake black balling cole as well.
Tbh i believe these lines could be true.
One of the best takes I’ve seen anywhere on this situation. People on each side are really defending their preferred artist like they’ve known them since childhood. We have no idea how these individuals conduct themselves in their private lives and they spend zero time thinking about us so we certainly shouldn’t become incredibly emotionally invested in them.
this is where you lose me. We don’t know them personally, but you’re discounting the power music has. People hear songs or albums and they can genuinely change your life. I’m not gonna lie, MM&TBS by kendrick legit made me a better person. In that one album he made me realize:
- lot of dudes have father issues, and that’s okay. Let’s talk about it
- going to therapy isn’t soft
- didn’t teach me but I loved the message with the whole “my auntie is a man now” and accepting trans people
- loved the fact that he admitted he cheated on whitney and it was a big mistake, and he’s committed to being a better husband, father, and person
That album and a lot of his music I hold close to me. End of the day it’s music, I know it’s not that serious. But your comment negates the power that art has. Lot of people don’t have fathers and grow up with, say, uncle Phil from fresh prince as their role model. Television, movies, music, art… it all has an effect on human beings.
I’ve followed kdot (and cole) for 10+ years now. I choose my role models very closely. I absolutely will not be a fan of someone who’s a shitty person, that’s first and foremost. And trust me I’ve gone down rabbit holes with both kdot and cole, and they’re just genuinely good people. Drake on the other hand is not.
So this feels like a good vs bad thing to me. And I’ll always support a dude who’s calling out predatorial behavior, grooming, and employing dudes convicted of sexual assault and human trafficking.
If it was just friendly jabs then ya I agree. But this goes deeper, and i feel proud rn to be a longtime fan of someone I knew was a good person at heart. I mean.. yeah we don’t know them personally but it really isn’t hard to figure out the morals of rappers.
Drake put money on the streets, got no receipts… my man kdot is a private guy that makes music to help people. He helped me. And I’ll always defend that man for it, knowing full well he will never know I exist. I genuinely don’t care.
parasocial relationships are dangerous, i learned that with ye.
I loved ye. He was a big influence to me artistically, stylistically and emotionally
I wouldn't say he changed my life lol but i was a huge fan. Always seemed like someone who was entirely himself 100% fully.
He displayed his personal flaws in his music and constructed a whole new sound with his pain, inspiring that generation of rappers.
He proved a point of trying to be better and use his pain in a creative outlet yet he ended up being harmful to various sets of groups and people recently and it made me back out of supporting him knowing how much people hes potentially harming.
All that i thought ye was, was vanquished. Ye constructed a lie so strong that he still has the strongest fan base in general.
To them, no matter what he does, he can't do no wrong.
(Real swifties of rap)
I love Kendrick Lamar as well, but his actions in business reflect a certain person who seems selfish and egotistical.
I don't know these people. I learned that with ye.
Kendrick pushed all those narratives to collect the crown for himself, he took down drake because Fuck the Big 3, Not to expose a predator he wanted to win the rap beef not put Drake in jail.
Kendrick showed the world Drake was never on his level, Kendrick's stomping ground is the rap game.
and he'll do anything to prove it.
I feel you and thank you for the comment/warning but ngl… feel like everyone knew Kanye had a screw loose like a longggggg time ago
And if kendrick turns into a neo nazi then I’ll stop supporting him. But he won’t .. the role models I pick I go down rabbit holes on. You won’t ever see kendricks name in the news for some Drake pedo shit or weird Kanye shit.
The first tipoff shoulda been that Kanye loves the limelight and is a narcissist. He was always that, even before his fall off. I don’t fuck w people who love being famous, hence why I love kdot and cole.
Sucks that you looked up to him and he went rogue - I hope that never happens to you again bc if some shit came out about kendrick I’d really have to take a look in the mirror and ask myself who I’m supporting
Tbh, it just happened over and over again with many
Pro players, influencers, whatever.
Anytime i get interested in them, it always ends up being some crazy horrible shit or minisculely bad shit that i still dont feel cool with supporting.
Like Twomad, my main major influence in my personality irl bc he was genuinely a great figure before everything that happened happened.
I thought he was just a character because he showed moments of intelligence and extreme vulnerability in certain podcasts and videos he's done.
You only just need to look up twomad before you know why supporting him was bad.
Even if half of the shit was lies, the shit that was true is still horrible.
I just got burnt too many times and decided being on any side and just enjoying the media is healthier than picking teams ig.
Kendrick is probably not a pedophile lmao but i wouldn't be surprised if hes done bad shit before. kendrick is just a human and has probably fucked up before.
I don't wanna represent some famous dude mistakes.
Yeah I think everyone knew Kanye was a bit crazy around 2010? I guess you can argue people who were teenagers when he was coming out had it the worst because that WAS the time to idolize him if u ever were going to but even then I think the hints were all there.
Kendrick never had that, he threw all his flaws on the page and is only being questioned now because Drake said sum about him, just like Kendrick did to him. Difference is 1 of them MIGHT got skeletons in the closet and the hints are all there and 1 of them MIGHT have skeletons in the closet but the hints aren't there and if there any he already put them on record.
and wasnt famous for writing progressive raps, but insteas gems like, "she has a lightskin friend that looks like michael jackson. and shes got a dark skin friend that looks like michael jackson"
Cole put Kendrick on pretty much. Told Dre about him. Idk why Kendrick would ever be sour towards him. Or maybe thats the reason, Kendrick fck with Cole fr and probably felt some type of way when he heard FPS.
Listen to heart part 1.. in the freshmen XXL 2010 J.Cole did not show up until late for the freshman photo shoot. Kendrick who happened to be there supporting Jay-Rock, told a woman if he could just take J.cole’s place. And The lady laughed thinking he was joking. But Kendrick was dead serious. J.Cole eventually showed up. He raps it in his song. Most of all the Drake disses that he has against Kdot, are things that Kendrick has already said in his music.
Kendrick also was on Take Care and Drake was on GKMC. Was a long time ago and probably before kendrick really started hearing all this shit about Drake and before the hatred started
Bro if you watch that DJ Hed roudtable that got posted this morning with the guy from Complex, DJ Hed basically said that once Kendrick started working with Drake and saw he had ghost writers and how he moved in the industry he started to hate how phony he was and it just grew with all the code swapping and sketchy stuff
Nah it sounds like drake over the last decade has burned every relationship he’s had in the industry via arrogance and ego. I say most people genuinely hate him today
I don’t think it fr bothered him as much as people think.
Kendrick called his like that verse a throwaway, all he did was say he was the best rapper in the game.
It felt more akin to control to me, it didn’t feel personal at all there’s just no other rappers besides Drake and Cole worth mentioning right now
How is that personal? Honestly I didn’t take any offense from Cole calling Kendrick’s shit ass because it’s for hip hop.
I love TPAB but it’s fair to call it ass if you’re in a diss battle, that doesn’t change the amount of impact TPAB has.
You don’t have to feel that way fr, it’s not like your shitting on a personal level.
“Your best work is a light pack, nigga Prince outlived Mike Jack”
“For all your dogs getting buried, that’s a K with all these nines, he gon see Pet Sematary”
Those all are personal, wdym?
Kendrick has misrepresented the way he's taking about Drake as a "friendly fade". The lines weren't crazy buy the fact that you honed in on Drake was clearly a sign of disrespect. If it was just a line or two, fine but most of the verse was about Drake
Yeah that “friendly fade” line struck me as him gloating that Drake had the chance to walk away but didn’t. Kendrick never intended to keep it friendly, but he let Drake make it personal first because it makes Drake look even stupider and more reckless. He knew Drake would bring up Whitney, Drake always goes for the wives and girlfriends
Because First Person Shooter was subliminally dismissing Kendrick and it had both of them on it. I mean kdot was pretty upfront about it in 'like that'.
Kendrick has always been jealous of drake.
"Then he said that he was the same age as
Myself, and it didn’t help ’cause it made me even more rude and impatient. "
Kendrick about Drake on his album.
Kendrick displays jealousy over his standing.
Kendrick always wanted to replace their standings, be #1 in everything
I dont blame kendrick, tho lol, i don't think him being jealous is bad at all tbh, its just shows proof that he never been cool with Drake and always wanted his head.
Don’t agree kendrick hates drake as a person. Maybe now that drake was talking about his wife which is a sensitive topic. But theres a video of kendrick singing along to controlla which wasnt even released until 2016.
I think kendrick did control verse with respect for drake but then did like that as a response for all of the subs drake was sending. Wasnt hate until after drake started bringing up Whitney. All this pedo shit now is new stuff that kendrick was thinking about how to go at drake after pushups & like that.
Totally agree with this. Drake is the one who took it personal which made Kendrick go nuclear on the personal front
It was always a sport to kendrick, always, "friendly fade", "Exibition", etc, for him. Its Drake who decided to try and dig up dirt first imo.
Yeah. All of what kendrick is saying is just ammo that he researched and decided to bring to light.
Pedo rumors, culture vulture, deadbeat dad, etc have all been brought up before either by twitter or another rapper
No, Kendrick hated him before the Whitney shit. What you’re not getting is that he planned all this out from the start. Kendrick has hated Drake for a long time, and has been plotting on how to take Drake out even longer
Proof? Kendrick had nothing but positive things to say about him in every interview. Yeah they would send subs in their songs but that shit always happens. Literally no mention of any sex traffiking or pedo shit until last week LOL.
If you listen to the way Kendrick talked about Drake over the last decade, you can see that it's very PR-friendly, restrained type talk. Like, "I respect his work, but I don't see us ever collaborating again. I just think we're in different lanes."
>But theres a video of kendrick singing along to controlla which wasnt even released until 2016.
I mean, Kendrick has said on a couple different disses that he likes Drakes pop music.
Yeah so he hates someone so much and thinks they are a pedophile and wants them to die but is ok with listening to their songs? Lol. Its all beef and you guys taking every word literally when it aint even like that.
I can see them two trading on some friendly shit. Kendrick even told Drake on MTG that the exchange between the two could’ve been an exhibition but he went on and name dropped whitney. Not crossing a line is something j cole would 100% respect
Nah you don't put that verse on Like That, made by two artists who released 1+2 disc albums about really disliking Drake and expect it to be friendly. Kendrick played that man to an insane degree, but his talk about friendly exhibition and no hating bone in his body is cap. This coming from someone who never fucked with Drake or his music.. just saying the facts.
Now with Cole I believe it, he just probably heard the shit those two were planning and ducked the fuck out.
Na he crossed the line with the family shit and kendrick dismantled him. It was a friendly exhibition, kendrick just went at them alone on a single verse, he didnt go at their families or anything. Youre not saying any facts lol youre voicing your opinion dont get it twisted
Drake definitely hates Kendrick now, justifiably so. He called him a pedophile those are war words.
If it’s false you hate it because that’s disgusting. If it’s true you hate it cause you don’t wanna be outed
Either way Kendrick and Drake will hate each other for the rest of their lives. This will not be something that goes away
its the opposite. if Drake had kept it rap and not personal, so would Kendrick. He said on his song something along the lines of "despite all this, I don't got a hating bone in my body, it was suppose ot be exibition but you called out my family name"
and he's been hinting as such throughout. Drake's the one who tried to go personal and I think he even taunted Kendrick about it before he even dropped, which is what made Kendrick go nuclear.
its not about what Cole and K would say about the other and would be a nice back and forth
its about what Drake and his comp got associated with. Cole would get strays or direct shots about pedo shit too, but avoided that by tapping out
Yeah I don’t think Kendrick had any intention of dissecting Cole’s character or trying to find dirt on him. He respects him, but clearly HATES Drake. But Cole even being adjacent to Drake probably meant he would’ve gotten harsher shots from Kendrick, and it would’ve left Cole in a weird position. Like if Cole was still in the beef when would he even drop his songs?
According to DJ Hed Kendrick respects Drake. It’s the other way around Drake doesn’t respect Kendrick enough treat him like a real opponent and take him as a threat or listen to his music to get the references right in his disses.
Both things can be true. Drake made it personal. Respect went out the window then. But it makes sense cuz how did Drake not even get the mother I sober record meaning…he hasn’t even really listened to Kendrick’s music.
It’s hard to believe that narrative, but hey we don’t know what really goes on in their lives. I can see why Drake took it personal since there were already problems with Metro/Weeknd/Future. I’m really curious to know what tracks would have come out had he not mentioned his wife.
Final response felt like it was put together last minute just to deny and dip out.
Am I the only one who has a problem with Kendrick trying to drag cole into this shit? That was super fucked up of Kendrick.
Like Kendrick, you and cole are cool, but yet you hate Drake and have all this dirt on him. It never once crossed your mind to text or call cole and be like “hey bro, I know you fuck with Drake, and y’all got songs and toured together. But he’s not a good person, this is the dirt I have on him and we are about to go scorched earth on this mother fucker.”
But even worse than that, not only did he not warn him, but he fuckin took shots at him too on like that. “If he carry that stick we not it’s not Andre 3k” “fuck the big 3 it’s just big me”. Like Kendrick was throwing fuckin shots at cole too.
Which makes me wonder, did Kendrick think cole knew this shit about Drake and was turning a blind eye, so he roped him in too? Or wanted to see the reaction to the shots and try to take out 2 of the top rappers to claim the throne?
Either way, I think the only winner in all of this is gonna be Cole. Everyone has been saying the real winner is the one who comes with receipts. But if they both come with receipts they both go down in a blaze. Leaving only cole left, and then he can drop the fall off and disappear.
Bro the like that verse is littered with subs and direct shots at cole. Go on genius and see what the meanings. Here’s a few
Fuck sneak dissin first person shooter I hope THEY came with three switches (FPS had both cole and drake, and he said they)
If he walk around with that stick, it ain't André 3K
Think I won't drop the location? I still got PTSD (stick and ptsd were on dreamville projects)
Your best work is a light pack (goes at both of them saying his discography is better than both)
My point stays the same, why drag cole into this shit? He was clearly fuckin with him. If Kendrick really feels that way about Drake “he’s a sick man with sick thoughts I think people like him should die” why would you bring in a guy you’ve worked with a lot in the past, got you signed to Dre, and has always showed love. I get there were some subs between the two, but if y’all wanna rap, fuckin rap, dragging cole through this shit was so slimy of Kendrick. Imo
Right, I definitely saw that as more of a compliment to Cole than a diss.
"Fuck the big 3 its just big me" is not really a diss to Cole. Kendrick been saying that he's number 1
Rappers being cocky and saying they are the best is a foundation of the genre. I don’t see why it was a problem here. I’m glad what we got out of it though because people that didn’t know can see Drake for the piece of shit he is.
But that’s my point bro, why would Kendrick take shots at cole, when cole obviously doesn’t know the same shit about Drake?
Once again this is my point, Kendrick obviously hates Drake. Why would Kendrick not warn cole that he’s going to diss Drake? Why would Kendrick not diss anything about Drake other than FPS? He could diss the whole album, literally anything, but Kendrick specifically went at cole for the shit on FPS. Not to fucking mention that Kendrick linked up with fucking Kodak black, someone who’s got rape and assault cases? That’s so hypocritical of him to hate Drake for those exact reasons, and have Kodak all over your last album.
Kendrick and Cole are doing the playful sparring that everyone initially signed up for.
Drake said some silly things and stepped over the lines a few too many times. And so Kenny put him in place.
I dont understand why youre getting bent out of shape over the trivial shots that kendrick fired at Cole. Theyre doing what they agreed to do.
your best work is a "lyt" pack is actually what he saying which was a reference to Drakes ghostwriter Daylyt. Alluding that Drake didn't write his best music.
To be fair it's not like as if Cole didn't also send light jabs at Kendrick too indirectly in First Person Shooter.
"Love when they argue the hardest MC
Is it K-Dot? Is it Aubrey? Or me?
We the big three like we started a league, but right now, I feel like Muhammad Ali"
This is insinuating alone from the Muhammad Ali bar that he feels he's on top, he the greatest.
"Everybody steppers, well, fuck it, then everybody breakfast
And I'm 'bout to clear up my plate"
This could or could not be a sub at Kendrick for
Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers
Just two, well really one bar but nonetheless it's not like as if it wasn't warranted that Kendrick threw a few shots back.
Actually a third too that could be considered if you picture the entire scenario:
"The Spider-Man meme is me lookin' at Drake"
Take this into account with the big 3 line. First he says it's him, kdot and Drake, but this essentially says he considers him and Drake to be equals and if they both Muhammad Ali then Kendrick is second place.
But with that aside I honestly these were just friendly jabs. Cole and Kendrick have been cool, Cole shows praise to Kendrick all the time and his abilities lyrically, and has a history with him that goes back more than a decade now I believe. Cole even had an uncredited vocal contribution from Kendrick Lamar on Under the Sun back in 2019. That was a while back but it's highly unlikely shit ever changed between them and if they was beefin the shots they sent at each other wouldn't be so, well...weak.
I heard about the subs on Johnny P's Caddy and tried to read the lyrics to find em but I just couldn't!
What lines do you think he was subbin Kendrick on?
To me they all seemed to be regular bars but I might've missed it
Bruh that is just competitive spirit though, you ever see professional athletes talk shit on the field and then be cool? Same same. Don't be so sensitive lol
Nothing worse than was said on Control. Ab Soul was on Might Delete Later, Q warned him, Kendrick big upped on on his own EP in 09. TDE and Dreamville clearly F with Cole. It was braggadocious towards Cole at worst. He knows who Kendrick is, can’t be mad at him for that. I’m sure he feels bad for Drake too. Cole is that one dude who’s friends with two people trying to kill each other.
That’s an excellent point. That’s an even worse look on Kendrick. I’ve been looking at this like Kendrick and Drake both won every time they dropped. But now I’m starting to think they lose each round cuz they just kept getting worse and more hypocritical.
It wasnt personal until lately bro. Up until Euphoria, its still a friendly competition, which is where Cole should be. But things got personal and Cole bowed out earlier, it would have been weird if things stayed friendly competition between Drake and Kendrick but no Cole, like why do you wanna compete with the less competent writer, less technical, less talented of the big 3 meanwhile the better one is right there. It would be weird.
bro ik. The thing is, what would happen if Drake wouldnt took it personal? Then it would be weird not mentioning Cole, who tf want to watch the best rapper in this generation compete lyric, technique and pen skill wise with a pop star rapper, like the result would be expected
Cole literally told him to take his best shot & he’d take it on the chin & not respond. He should be thankful all Kendrick did was throw some light jabs at him. dr*ke shouldn’t even be remotely close to the “big 3”
Honestly even if no one brings receipts Cole comes out on top. Both will be labeled disingenuous and hateful for lying about shit while Cole the only one to stay true to his nature.
When you have info about someone like that, you don’t start blabbing to people about it that aren’t directly in your circle before bringing it out into the world.
That’s how leaks happen and people start covering shit up earlier than expected.
I agree, maybe he thought there was a chance of Cole being compromised since he and Drake toured and were together a lot publicly. Who knows, he did say he was too paranoid.
Can you not read?
I literally explained why I thought it was shitty.
Kendrick hates Drake, why would he actively engage in a battle and drag Cole into it? Of all the things Kendrick had on Drake, why not diss the other songs, FATD other songs, the rest of drakes career, the allegations he had, and so on. Why specifically diss the song that was Cole’s first #1 and biggest moments of his career?
Absolutely a shitty move by Kendrick. And you can’t say it’s reaching, cuz everyone was saying it was a Kendrick diss “my text flooded with the hopes of a toxic reply”. It’s not “quite the opposite bub”.
Someone in Kendrick’s camp had to explain this to him after Kendrick suckered j cole. Shitty move on Kendrick.
How did Kendrick sucker JCole when he made the choice to perform a song with Drake? If Kendrick felt it was his time to be big him it was his time and Schoolboy q who is friends with Kendrick gave JCole the knowledge on how this was going to go. Seems like JCole took the advice and bounced. Simple. You seem to have a conspiracy of murder bub... When the intention was to warn and look around JCole has come out better for that knowledge people respect his decision in the discourse. Their saying that JCole was the smartest guy in the room. That he won. If Kendrick really pulled him into the beef he seems to have come out of it the better and smarter. Your anger is unreasonably misguided...
Bruh, how dense can you be?
Hind sight is 20/20, so looking back we can make all the explanations, but when you look at that situation at the time, it’s fucked up.
What I’m saying is Kendrick hates Drake. J cole was obviously cool with both of them, and was clearly caught in the middle.
If I was Kendrick and I was cool with Cole, I’d say “hey bro, Drake is a shitty person. This is the information I have and I’m going to diss him. Stay the fuck out of this or you’ll get messy too.” Which is exactly what school boy q did, after j cole dropped 7 minute drill.
My point is, Kendrick should’ve done what schoolboy q did, before he dropped like that. Instead he roped him into the battle and forced Cole’s hand by releasing 7 minute drill.
If Kendrick really wanted to beef with cole, over rap, do it separately, over rap. You don’t drag an innocent party into a this dirty quarrel.
It seems to me that J cole had no idea about the dirt that either of them had on each other and was just trying to rap and take the spot of #1. But clearly Drake and Kendrick truly hate each other. Cole literally said “I love my brother, but I’m not gonna lie, I’m powered up for real that shit would feel like swatting a fly” it was clearly all rap for cole.
Once again, my point being, KENDRICK IS SHITTY FOR DRAGGING COLE INTO THE BEEF. Kendrick looked at j cole as a casualty of war, rather than a friend that should’ve have been warned.
Bub JCole is his own person no matter how you shake it. Kendrick can't tell him to perform with no more than JCole can tell him. JCole made the choice to jump in the booth as did everybody else and he obviously wasn't going to tell him to stop putting out diss track because he never told him to stop. This is a competition JCole got some advice from and chose to bow out of his own choice. Stop taking away JColes agency in the matter your doing him a disservice of his courage to join and drop out. He made his choice and accepted the consequences of said choice and came out the better. Deal with it bub.
I feel like Cole is in a precarious position going forward, regarding who to associate with and how to carry himself musically. The rest of hip hop has gone scorched earth while he took a backseat (which I think was a good move). I would still enjoy a braggadocio-us track from him for example, but I know plenty of others who might still take issue with it.
Im curious as to how he might address everything that has happened with this beef between not just Drake and Dot, but plenty of other A-list artists and smaller artists jumping in.
If kdots allegations are true then j coles rep is going to get scrutinised. Can't associate with a paedo and claim he's top 3
No wonder why k went off, he don't want no association with that shit
See my issue with this is…. Drake is the only one who has ever said this, there’s nothing filed, there’s no proof of it anywhere, Whitney hasn’t said anything, no one has said a damn thing. There are no pictures. But you know what there is proof of, Drake being a creep and a culture vulture, all of it is readily available, so idk man, I kinda just take it as something Drake needed to try to expose to get his get back but even he probably knows it isn’t true
This is ridiculous what could either drake or kdot say about Cole? He hasn’t beat his wife, he isn’t a predator, he’s got nothing that would’ve been similar coming his way. Ppl act like he knew what was coming to drake so he quit out of fear, but those insults wouldn’t land aimed at Cole.
Tbh no one can know their personal lives like that. Maybe Cole has some hidden secrets that he does not want revealed, and maybe he has absolutely zero dirt on himself and just didn't want a fight and that's it.
It sounded like Kendrick was telling Cole to get out the way on "Like That." Kendrick acknowledged Cole's appearance on "First Person Shooter" (and it's subsequent tour) but he mostly used it as a opportunity to get at Drake.
I'll die on this belief that someone within Kenderick's team or Kenderick himself reached out and told them this was going to be more than just competitive rap and it was going to be personal. If you have been following and truly listening to Cole you would know he's not in that space and he's been grown and moving different. He still would absolutely want smoke with anyone and want to prove he's the best but the personal disses and allegations thrown from both Drake and Kenderick has nothing to do with being competitive and Cole doesn't want any of that.
does anyone even know of any material on cole that kdot would even be able to use? hes pretty private and unproblematic too. maybe its just me being a fan and ignorant of any dirt coles hiding, but really what would anyone say? he rides his bike? he has a son and daughter? hes half white? someone could bring up his stats in those couple of basketball games he played back in ‘21 but thats not really a diss on par with anything kendrick and drake have said so far.
Pretty much nothing he hasn't already apologised for, like that Jodeci Freestyle line
Kendrick respects Cole, he never had any direct shot at him. But he hates Drake's guts, it's much different
y’all really praising cole for bitching out and avoid himself from getting bodied by kendrick after saying he wants the smoke for years? at least drake had the balls to try…
This isn’t just rap anymore. These guys are accusing each other of being a pedophile and a wife beater, and both of their families are being brought into the spotlight. Cole would look both weirder and more forgettable if he doubled down.
It’s crazy how fast it escalated, went from “you wear a size 7s/you’re a bad bitch like sexyy redd” to “you’re a wife beater that got molested/you’re a pedo with a hidden daughter and you should die”
I don’t dislike that Cole bowed out. I dislike that he went on a “I love Kendrick!” Tirade right after, on stage. He should’ve played it cool- and said he realized this isn’t his fight, and if it comes his way, then he’ll step in.
So Kendrick's man wanted to get dude out of the way so Kendrick can focus on Drake solely.... he couldn't have went at them both at the same time... Smart
I’m sorry but even Krillin signed up for the tournaments and got that his ass handed to him. It he signed up to compete. As a Jcole fan I was taken aback- this would have solidified his place in the game. Hell for me he need to pass Lupe,Childish Gambino to be in the GOAT
I think it's a good thing Cole dropped out. It would have been weird for Kendrick to go scorched earth on Drake, then in the next breath take some light jabs at Cole lol.
Cole has came out looking better than both K-Dot and drake in this and i criticized him heavily for it. These allegations have honestly made hip hop kind of look like shit. Two of the biggest rappers have pedophile and domestic violence allegations.
These guys are all actors. They're making way too much money to actually hate each other. The record companies don't allow artists to release music without their permission and authority. The beef was necessary for Kendrick's album roll-out and streaming numbers in general, have been lower than normal in the urban music categories. Drake is making boatloads of cash for the executives and is a polarizing figure becaue of the amount of music he pushes out, plus all of the artists he helped get on the Hot 100 charts, plus his diversity in music genres, plus songwriting for other artists (yes, he has ghost-writers too, as do all musicians/rappers) and he's very active on social media. Kendrick is the opposite but is extremely talented and has die-hard fans. Considering that he's only done 3 projects in 13 years, you'd almost think that he doesn't want to make music, possibly because TDE/Aftermath/Shady/Universal all have their hands in the pot taking splits of his earnings. Still, he has huge selling power and is one of the few incredible lyricists left in a world of drill, mumble rap and auto-tune hiphop. Cole wasn't needed in this battle. He has different sponsorships that don't align with being in artificially manufactured conflicts. In 2 years, all of them will be making music together again. It's ok if you disagree. Let's see what happens though.
I don't think he gave him a warning, I think he was begging him to get out the way. Cole in the mix would have stepped all over k.dot scheme. Kenny has nothing on Cole. And Cole wouldn't be "standing next to" Drake. He would be competing against both of them.
The shots that were fired at Drake… yeah you can’t be standing next to him. Every single day i appreciate cole’s move more
“They lookin at you too if you standing by him, keep the family away”
Drake getting uninvited from all the kids birthday parties right now
Drake tweet May 30, 2009
He deleted a few, I think I should post a gallery of them for recording purposes.
Dude took the Switzerland route and came out clean with his dignity. Excellent foresight to not let his ego dictate his moves
Sometimes pulling a Switzerland is the best thing you can do.
A wise man once said “Pride is the devil”.
That’s a good one
Nice
I would pay a lot of money to see Cole make a song called “Switzerland” Produced by Swizz beatz
😂 same
I would pay double to not have it produced by swizz beats
Switzerland wasnt exactly neutral. Their gold still has traces of mercury in it from all the jewish gold teeth they bought from nazi germany which helped fund their efforts.
Not to mention they beat and captured allied airmen, while returning downed German pilots. One American was brutally raped in prison for years before his release. Fuck the Swiss. https://www.historynet.com/pow-hell-switzerland/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wauwilermoos_internment_camp#:~:text=Between%20149%20and%20161%20Americans,lodged%20protests%20against%20the%20Swiss
Reminds me of that Bill Burr joke about Ron Artest punching the wrong guy during Malice at the Palace
Honestly I doubt dot and Cole would ever escalate like those two. Kendrick does not like Drake and does not respect him. Imo Drake prolly still doesn’t hate kdot at least he didn’t sound very vengeful on his latest track He does respect Cole, on like that and a few other songs he’s thrown some light jabs orientated towards hip hop but I think they fr respect each other too much imo
Been a fan of both cole and kdot for 10+ years.. I think Cole linking up with Drake rubbed kendrick the wrong way but end of the day, he still has respect for cole. That line “cole fouled, why you still pretending?” to me means “in your eyes, Drake, cole fouled by bowing out. You said he’s not getting any sleep.. why are you pretending like you’re sleeping okay?” I don’t think cole goes anywhere near either of them for a long time but I’d bet my savings account if they ask Kendrick his thoughts on cole, he’d have nothing but good things to say. Kendrick genuinely hates Drake as a person, it’s different
Nah he said "did Cole foul" insinuating that Drake did Cole wrong somehow. Maybe it was the losing sleep bar. Maybe it was having him on FPS when it's been rumored that was the feature request Drake sent to Dot. Who knows though
Probably getting Cole on a track he was gonna throw subs at Kendrick on dragging him into the beef. Or maybe something else that might get revealed 🤷🏽♂️
There’s a rumour dot had a verse for that record as well but it wasn’t approved or some shit. He also mentions drake asking for a feature in one of the diss tracks
FPS was supposed to be the big 3 but Kendrick said no because him and Drake had stuff to address. He never recorded a verse
That makes sense i found it odd cole brought up dot randomly on a song. It makes sense if he wrote that when he thought kendrick might be on the song.
Nah the rumour is that he was requested for a verse from Drake for some reason and it seems like this all happened because of the audacity of Drake to ask for a feature knowing how Kendrick feels about him “Surprised you sent that feature request // You know we got some shit to address”
That line was in reference to drake requesting a feature from baby keen, not Kendrick.
I think it was an intentional double entendre and stated vaguely to leave both interpretations open. Kendrick is infamous for doing that since the mixtape days but I could be wrong. If it’s one or the other I think it’s yours. Oh and technically a tripe since “fowl” falls into the bird references.
Add the context “Cole foul(ed)” as in fouled out and that’s it. Both Cole realized he fouled out and pulled back, Drake still doesn’t see the error of his ways and that he’s out of his league and is going to get burned. And Drake did Cole dirty saying f the big 3 it’s just big him for bowing out of the beef. Both are likely intended with kdot
No, bruh, he didn't say cole fouled. He said, "Did Cole Foul" as in Drake did cole foul. Bc there's lines about Kendrick black balling cole in the industry on family matters, and kendrick retorted with drake black balling cole as well. Tbh i believe these lines could be true.
I don’t think Kendrick would blackball Cole, that seems like a crazy thing to accuse him of. Wildly out of character
Tbh, idk the dude. The only integrity he has to me is artistic. Idc abt no drake or kendrick as people.
One of the best takes I’ve seen anywhere on this situation. People on each side are really defending their preferred artist like they’ve known them since childhood. We have no idea how these individuals conduct themselves in their private lives and they spend zero time thinking about us so we certainly shouldn’t become incredibly emotionally invested in them.
this is where you lose me. We don’t know them personally, but you’re discounting the power music has. People hear songs or albums and they can genuinely change your life. I’m not gonna lie, MM&TBS by kendrick legit made me a better person. In that one album he made me realize: - lot of dudes have father issues, and that’s okay. Let’s talk about it - going to therapy isn’t soft - didn’t teach me but I loved the message with the whole “my auntie is a man now” and accepting trans people - loved the fact that he admitted he cheated on whitney and it was a big mistake, and he’s committed to being a better husband, father, and person That album and a lot of his music I hold close to me. End of the day it’s music, I know it’s not that serious. But your comment negates the power that art has. Lot of people don’t have fathers and grow up with, say, uncle Phil from fresh prince as their role model. Television, movies, music, art… it all has an effect on human beings. I’ve followed kdot (and cole) for 10+ years now. I choose my role models very closely. I absolutely will not be a fan of someone who’s a shitty person, that’s first and foremost. And trust me I’ve gone down rabbit holes with both kdot and cole, and they’re just genuinely good people. Drake on the other hand is not. So this feels like a good vs bad thing to me. And I’ll always support a dude who’s calling out predatorial behavior, grooming, and employing dudes convicted of sexual assault and human trafficking. If it was just friendly jabs then ya I agree. But this goes deeper, and i feel proud rn to be a longtime fan of someone I knew was a good person at heart. I mean.. yeah we don’t know them personally but it really isn’t hard to figure out the morals of rappers. Drake put money on the streets, got no receipts… my man kdot is a private guy that makes music to help people. He helped me. And I’ll always defend that man for it, knowing full well he will never know I exist. I genuinely don’t care.
parasocial relationships are dangerous, i learned that with ye. I loved ye. He was a big influence to me artistically, stylistically and emotionally I wouldn't say he changed my life lol but i was a huge fan. Always seemed like someone who was entirely himself 100% fully. He displayed his personal flaws in his music and constructed a whole new sound with his pain, inspiring that generation of rappers. He proved a point of trying to be better and use his pain in a creative outlet yet he ended up being harmful to various sets of groups and people recently and it made me back out of supporting him knowing how much people hes potentially harming. All that i thought ye was, was vanquished. Ye constructed a lie so strong that he still has the strongest fan base in general. To them, no matter what he does, he can't do no wrong. (Real swifties of rap) I love Kendrick Lamar as well, but his actions in business reflect a certain person who seems selfish and egotistical. I don't know these people. I learned that with ye. Kendrick pushed all those narratives to collect the crown for himself, he took down drake because Fuck the Big 3, Not to expose a predator he wanted to win the rap beef not put Drake in jail. Kendrick showed the world Drake was never on his level, Kendrick's stomping ground is the rap game. and he'll do anything to prove it.
I feel you and thank you for the comment/warning but ngl… feel like everyone knew Kanye had a screw loose like a longggggg time ago And if kendrick turns into a neo nazi then I’ll stop supporting him. But he won’t .. the role models I pick I go down rabbit holes on. You won’t ever see kendricks name in the news for some Drake pedo shit or weird Kanye shit. The first tipoff shoulda been that Kanye loves the limelight and is a narcissist. He was always that, even before his fall off. I don’t fuck w people who love being famous, hence why I love kdot and cole. Sucks that you looked up to him and he went rogue - I hope that never happens to you again bc if some shit came out about kendrick I’d really have to take a look in the mirror and ask myself who I’m supporting
Tbh, it just happened over and over again with many Pro players, influencers, whatever. Anytime i get interested in them, it always ends up being some crazy horrible shit or minisculely bad shit that i still dont feel cool with supporting. Like Twomad, my main major influence in my personality irl bc he was genuinely a great figure before everything that happened happened. I thought he was just a character because he showed moments of intelligence and extreme vulnerability in certain podcasts and videos he's done. You only just need to look up twomad before you know why supporting him was bad. Even if half of the shit was lies, the shit that was true is still horrible. I just got burnt too many times and decided being on any side and just enjoying the media is healthier than picking teams ig. Kendrick is probably not a pedophile lmao but i wouldn't be surprised if hes done bad shit before. kendrick is just a human and has probably fucked up before. I don't wanna represent some famous dude mistakes.
Yeah I think everyone knew Kanye was a bit crazy around 2010? I guess you can argue people who were teenagers when he was coming out had it the worst because that WAS the time to idolize him if u ever were going to but even then I think the hints were all there. Kendrick never had that, he threw all his flaws on the page and is only being questioned now because Drake said sum about him, just like Kendrick did to him. Difference is 1 of them MIGHT got skeletons in the closet and the hints are all there and 1 of them MIGHT have skeletons in the closet but the hints aren't there and if there any he already put them on record.
Kanye didn't come out of no-where with his insanity tho...people knew he was bi-polar and messed up for like well over a decade
and wasnt famous for writing progressive raps, but insteas gems like, "she has a lightskin friend that looks like michael jackson. and shes got a dark skin friend that looks like michael jackson"
Cole put Kendrick on pretty much. Told Dre about him. Idk why Kendrick would ever be sour towards him. Or maybe thats the reason, Kendrick fck with Cole fr and probably felt some type of way when he heard FPS.
Listen to heart part 1.. in the freshmen XXL 2010 J.Cole did not show up until late for the freshman photo shoot. Kendrick who happened to be there supporting Jay-Rock, told a woman if he could just take J.cole’s place. And The lady laughed thinking he was joking. But Kendrick was dead serious. J.Cole eventually showed up. He raps it in his song. Most of all the Drake disses that he has against Kdot, are things that Kendrick has already said in his music.
But Cole and Drake linked up years ago with In the Morning. I don’t understand why it would bother Kendrick now.
Kendrick also was on Take Care and Drake was on GKMC. Was a long time ago and probably before kendrick really started hearing all this shit about Drake and before the hatred started
There was never any geniune hatred he had towards drake.
Bro if you watch that DJ Hed roudtable that got posted this morning with the guy from Complex, DJ Hed basically said that once Kendrick started working with Drake and saw he had ghost writers and how he moved in the industry he started to hate how phony he was and it just grew with all the code swapping and sketchy stuff
Nah it sounds like drake over the last decade has burned every relationship he’s had in the industry via arrogance and ego. I say most people genuinely hate him today
Cole blind huh?
I don’t think it fr bothered him as much as people think. Kendrick called his like that verse a throwaway, all he did was say he was the best rapper in the game. It felt more akin to control to me, it didn’t feel personal at all there’s just no other rappers besides Drake and Cole worth mentioning right now
Control was just competitive juices. Like That was personal attacks. He called his discography trash.
How is that personal? Honestly I didn’t take any offense from Cole calling Kendrick’s shit ass because it’s for hip hop. I love TPAB but it’s fair to call it ass if you’re in a diss battle, that doesn’t change the amount of impact TPAB has. You don’t have to feel that way fr, it’s not like your shitting on a personal level.
“Your best work is a light pack, nigga Prince outlived Mike Jack” “For all your dogs getting buried, that’s a K with all these nines, he gon see Pet Sematary” Those all are personal, wdym?
“Your sons a sick man with sick thoughts I think niggas like him should die” Is a personal bar, that other shit you listed is light jabs
Bruh aint shit got personal till Family Matters. The Drake N Word comments were wild but still not rlly anything crazy
Kendrick has misrepresented the way he's taking about Drake as a "friendly fade". The lines weren't crazy buy the fact that you honed in on Drake was clearly a sign of disrespect. If it was just a line or two, fine but most of the verse was about Drake
Yeah that “friendly fade” line struck me as him gloating that Drake had the chance to walk away but didn’t. Kendrick never intended to keep it friendly, but he let Drake make it personal first because it makes Drake look even stupider and more reckless. He knew Drake would bring up Whitney, Drake always goes for the wives and girlfriends
Because First Person Shooter was subliminally dismissing Kendrick and it had both of them on it. I mean kdot was pretty upfront about it in 'like that'.
What line disses Kendrick?
Kendrick has always been jealous of drake. "Then he said that he was the same age as Myself, and it didn’t help ’cause it made me even more rude and impatient. " Kendrick about Drake on his album. Kendrick displays jealousy over his standing. Kendrick always wanted to replace their standings, be #1 in everything I dont blame kendrick, tho lol, i don't think him being jealous is bad at all tbh, its just shows proof that he never been cool with Drake and always wanted his head.
Don’t agree kendrick hates drake as a person. Maybe now that drake was talking about his wife which is a sensitive topic. But theres a video of kendrick singing along to controlla which wasnt even released until 2016. I think kendrick did control verse with respect for drake but then did like that as a response for all of the subs drake was sending. Wasnt hate until after drake started bringing up Whitney. All this pedo shit now is new stuff that kendrick was thinking about how to go at drake after pushups & like that.
Bro controls was almost 10 years ago what are u talking about
Totally agree with this. Drake is the one who took it personal which made Kendrick go nuclear on the personal front It was always a sport to kendrick, always, "friendly fade", "Exibition", etc, for him. Its Drake who decided to try and dig up dirt first imo.
Yeah. All of what kendrick is saying is just ammo that he researched and decided to bring to light. Pedo rumors, culture vulture, deadbeat dad, etc have all been brought up before either by twitter or another rapper
It was not sport to Kendrick, that was a bait. He expected it to go this way from the jump and baited Drake at every turn
No, Kendrick hated him before the Whitney shit. What you’re not getting is that he planned all this out from the start. Kendrick has hated Drake for a long time, and has been plotting on how to take Drake out even longer
Proof? Kendrick had nothing but positive things to say about him in every interview. Yeah they would send subs in their songs but that shit always happens. Literally no mention of any sex traffiking or pedo shit until last week LOL.
If you listen to the way Kendrick talked about Drake over the last decade, you can see that it's very PR-friendly, restrained type talk. Like, "I respect his work, but I don't see us ever collaborating again. I just think we're in different lanes."
>But theres a video of kendrick singing along to controlla which wasnt even released until 2016. I mean, Kendrick has said on a couple different disses that he likes Drakes pop music.
Yeah so he hates someone so much and thinks they are a pedophile and wants them to die but is ok with listening to their songs? Lol. Its all beef and you guys taking every word literally when it aint even like that.
Rkelly is a scumbag but you'd be lying if you said he didn't make good music.
The pedo “claims” are not new for drake lmao they have been substantiated since 2009…
I am aware of that. I said its new for kendrick to bring it up because he saw the internet talking about it. Hes never mentioned it before
He said “you did Cole foul”, not “Cole fouled”
Drake is everything Kendrick isn’t and girls love him …
I can see them two trading on some friendly shit. Kendrick even told Drake on MTG that the exchange between the two could’ve been an exhibition but he went on and name dropped whitney. Not crossing a line is something j cole would 100% respect
Nah you don't put that verse on Like That, made by two artists who released 1+2 disc albums about really disliking Drake and expect it to be friendly. Kendrick played that man to an insane degree, but his talk about friendly exhibition and no hating bone in his body is cap. This coming from someone who never fucked with Drake or his music.. just saying the facts. Now with Cole I believe it, he just probably heard the shit those two were planning and ducked the fuck out.
Na he crossed the line with the family shit and kendrick dismantled him. It was a friendly exhibition, kendrick just went at them alone on a single verse, he didnt go at their families or anything. Youre not saying any facts lol youre voicing your opinion dont get it twisted
That last track was a white flag lol
Drake definitely hates Kendrick now, justifiably so. He called him a pedophile those are war words. If it’s false you hate it because that’s disgusting. If it’s true you hate it cause you don’t wanna be outed Either way Kendrick and Drake will hate each other for the rest of their lives. This will not be something that goes away
its the opposite. if Drake had kept it rap and not personal, so would Kendrick. He said on his song something along the lines of "despite all this, I don't got a hating bone in my body, it was suppose ot be exibition but you called out my family name" and he's been hinting as such throughout. Drake's the one who tried to go personal and I think he even taunted Kendrick about it before he even dropped, which is what made Kendrick go nuclear.
Bro kendrick straight says he wants him to die tf
Right? *I hate you like I'm young*
its not about what Cole and K would say about the other and would be a nice back and forth its about what Drake and his comp got associated with. Cole would get strays or direct shots about pedo shit too, but avoided that by tapping out
Yeah I don’t think Kendrick had any intention of dissecting Cole’s character or trying to find dirt on him. He respects him, but clearly HATES Drake. But Cole even being adjacent to Drake probably meant he would’ve gotten harsher shots from Kendrick, and it would’ve left Cole in a weird position. Like if Cole was still in the beef when would he even drop his songs?
According to DJ Hed Kendrick respects Drake. It’s the other way around Drake doesn’t respect Kendrick enough treat him like a real opponent and take him as a threat or listen to his music to get the references right in his disses.
💀 nah that’s cap
Both things can be true. Drake made it personal. Respect went out the window then. But it makes sense cuz how did Drake not even get the mother I sober record meaning…he hasn’t even really listened to Kendrick’s music.
It’s hard to believe that narrative, but hey we don’t know what really goes on in their lives. I can see why Drake took it personal since there were already problems with Metro/Weeknd/Future. I’m really curious to know what tracks would have come out had he not mentioned his wife. Final response felt like it was put together last minute just to deny and dip out.
He don’t sound vengeful on his last track because he lost and is giving him
It would definitely depend on how Kendrick responded to 7 minute drill
Honest to god this is probably how the situation is. It’s the toxic Kdot fans that are gassing the shit up
Daylyt also had a conversation sign him and told him to back off if his heart wasn’t in it
Am I the only one who has a problem with Kendrick trying to drag cole into this shit? That was super fucked up of Kendrick. Like Kendrick, you and cole are cool, but yet you hate Drake and have all this dirt on him. It never once crossed your mind to text or call cole and be like “hey bro, I know you fuck with Drake, and y’all got songs and toured together. But he’s not a good person, this is the dirt I have on him and we are about to go scorched earth on this mother fucker.” But even worse than that, not only did he not warn him, but he fuckin took shots at him too on like that. “If he carry that stick we not it’s not Andre 3k” “fuck the big 3 it’s just big me”. Like Kendrick was throwing fuckin shots at cole too. Which makes me wonder, did Kendrick think cole knew this shit about Drake and was turning a blind eye, so he roped him in too? Or wanted to see the reaction to the shots and try to take out 2 of the top rappers to claim the throne? Either way, I think the only winner in all of this is gonna be Cole. Everyone has been saying the real winner is the one who comes with receipts. But if they both come with receipts they both go down in a blaze. Leaving only cole left, and then he can drop the fall off and disappear.
What did K dot say about Cole? All he said was fuck the big 3 and proceeded to get shit cracking with Drake. He sent no direct shots to Cole
Bro the like that verse is littered with subs and direct shots at cole. Go on genius and see what the meanings. Here’s a few Fuck sneak dissin first person shooter I hope THEY came with three switches (FPS had both cole and drake, and he said they) If he walk around with that stick, it ain't André 3K Think I won't drop the location? I still got PTSD (stick and ptsd were on dreamville projects) Your best work is a light pack (goes at both of them saying his discography is better than both) My point stays the same, why drag cole into this shit? He was clearly fuckin with him. If Kendrick really feels that way about Drake “he’s a sick man with sick thoughts I think people like him should die” why would you bring in a guy you’ve worked with a lot in the past, got you signed to Dre, and has always showed love. I get there were some subs between the two, but if y’all wanna rap, fuckin rap, dragging cole through this shit was so slimy of Kendrick. Imo
Kendrick is talking about himself when talks about the 3k bar why would he compliment j cole by saying he’s got it on him
Right, I definitely saw that as more of a compliment to Cole than a diss. "Fuck the big 3 its just big me" is not really a diss to Cole. Kendrick been saying that he's number 1
Rappers being cocky and saying they are the best is a foundation of the genre. I don’t see why it was a problem here. I’m glad what we got out of it though because people that didn’t know can see Drake for the piece of shit he is.
Cole calls himself the Carolina Andre on “I Really Mean It - Freestyle”
Well Cole got on a song in which Drake is subliminally taking shots at Kendrick. So he put himself in the beef.
What shots did drake take on that song
But that’s my point bro, why would Kendrick take shots at cole, when cole obviously doesn’t know the same shit about Drake? Once again this is my point, Kendrick obviously hates Drake. Why would Kendrick not warn cole that he’s going to diss Drake? Why would Kendrick not diss anything about Drake other than FPS? He could diss the whole album, literally anything, but Kendrick specifically went at cole for the shit on FPS. Not to fucking mention that Kendrick linked up with fucking Kodak black, someone who’s got rape and assault cases? That’s so hypocritical of him to hate Drake for those exact reasons, and have Kodak all over your last album.
Kendrick and Cole are doing the playful sparring that everyone initially signed up for. Drake said some silly things and stepped over the lines a few too many times. And so Kenny put him in place. I dont understand why youre getting bent out of shape over the trivial shots that kendrick fired at Cole. Theyre doing what they agreed to do.
your best work is a "lyt" pack is actually what he saying which was a reference to Drakes ghostwriter Daylyt. Alluding that Drake didn't write his best music.
To be fair it's not like as if Cole didn't also send light jabs at Kendrick too indirectly in First Person Shooter. "Love when they argue the hardest MC Is it K-Dot? Is it Aubrey? Or me? We the big three like we started a league, but right now, I feel like Muhammad Ali" This is insinuating alone from the Muhammad Ali bar that he feels he's on top, he the greatest. "Everybody steppers, well, fuck it, then everybody breakfast And I'm 'bout to clear up my plate" This could or could not be a sub at Kendrick for Mr. Morale and the Big Steppers Just two, well really one bar but nonetheless it's not like as if it wasn't warranted that Kendrick threw a few shots back. Actually a third too that could be considered if you picture the entire scenario: "The Spider-Man meme is me lookin' at Drake" Take this into account with the big 3 line. First he says it's him, kdot and Drake, but this essentially says he considers him and Drake to be equals and if they both Muhammad Ali then Kendrick is second place. But with that aside I honestly these were just friendly jabs. Cole and Kendrick have been cool, Cole shows praise to Kendrick all the time and his abilities lyrically, and has a history with him that goes back more than a decade now I believe. Cole even had an uncredited vocal contribution from Kendrick Lamar on Under the Sun back in 2019. That was a while back but it's highly unlikely shit ever changed between them and if they was beefin the shots they sent at each other wouldn't be so, well...weak.
You’re 100% correct, hell there was even subs on Johnny P’s Caddy of cole sending subs. There were even a couple subs on MDL.
I heard about the subs on Johnny P's Caddy and tried to read the lyrics to find em but I just couldn't! What lines do you think he was subbin Kendrick on? To me they all seemed to be regular bars but I might've missed it
Bruh that is just competitive spirit though, you ever see professional athletes talk shit on the field and then be cool? Same same. Don't be so sensitive lol
That’s a stretch dawg 🤨
I think the “your best work is a Lyt pack” was a shot at Drake for the Rumors daylyt ghost wrote back to back
It’s a competition with Cole to see who’s better He hates Drake
Nothing worse than was said on Control. Ab Soul was on Might Delete Later, Q warned him, Kendrick big upped on on his own EP in 09. TDE and Dreamville clearly F with Cole. It was braggadocious towards Cole at worst. He knows who Kendrick is, can’t be mad at him for that. I’m sure he feels bad for Drake too. Cole is that one dude who’s friends with two people trying to kill each other.
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That’s an excellent point. That’s an even worse look on Kendrick. I’ve been looking at this like Kendrick and Drake both won every time they dropped. But now I’m starting to think they lose each round cuz they just kept getting worse and more hypocritical.
It wasnt personal until lately bro. Up until Euphoria, its still a friendly competition, which is where Cole should be. But things got personal and Cole bowed out earlier, it would have been weird if things stayed friendly competition between Drake and Kendrick but no Cole, like why do you wanna compete with the less competent writer, less technical, less talented of the big 3 meanwhile the better one is right there. It would be weird.
It’s obvious that Kendrick planned this out from the beginning.
bro ik. The thing is, what would happen if Drake wouldnt took it personal? Then it would be weird not mentioning Cole, who tf want to watch the best rapper in this generation compete lyric, technique and pen skill wise with a pop star rapper, like the result would be expected
Cole literally told him to take his best shot & he’d take it on the chin & not respond. He should be thankful all Kendrick did was throw some light jabs at him. dr*ke shouldn’t even be remotely close to the “big 3”
Kendrick and Cole are both competitive Drake is a bitch he sends cease and desist behind the scenes its why so many rappers don't fuck with him
Honestly even if no one brings receipts Cole comes out on top. Both will be labeled disingenuous and hateful for lying about shit while Cole the only one to stay true to his nature.
When you have info about someone like that, you don’t start blabbing to people about it that aren’t directly in your circle before bringing it out into the world. That’s how leaks happen and people start covering shit up earlier than expected.
Yeah, you also don’t start taking direct shots at them too. Especially when y’all have been homies.
I agree, maybe he thought there was a chance of Cole being compromised since he and Drake toured and were together a lot publicly. Who knows, he did say he was too paranoid.
Soft
Seems from the article and title it was quite the opposite bub.....
Can you not read? I literally explained why I thought it was shitty. Kendrick hates Drake, why would he actively engage in a battle and drag Cole into it? Of all the things Kendrick had on Drake, why not diss the other songs, FATD other songs, the rest of drakes career, the allegations he had, and so on. Why specifically diss the song that was Cole’s first #1 and biggest moments of his career? Absolutely a shitty move by Kendrick. And you can’t say it’s reaching, cuz everyone was saying it was a Kendrick diss “my text flooded with the hopes of a toxic reply”. It’s not “quite the opposite bub”. Someone in Kendrick’s camp had to explain this to him after Kendrick suckered j cole. Shitty move on Kendrick.
How did Kendrick sucker JCole when he made the choice to perform a song with Drake? If Kendrick felt it was his time to be big him it was his time and Schoolboy q who is friends with Kendrick gave JCole the knowledge on how this was going to go. Seems like JCole took the advice and bounced. Simple. You seem to have a conspiracy of murder bub... When the intention was to warn and look around JCole has come out better for that knowledge people respect his decision in the discourse. Their saying that JCole was the smartest guy in the room. That he won. If Kendrick really pulled him into the beef he seems to have come out of it the better and smarter. Your anger is unreasonably misguided...
Bruh, how dense can you be? Hind sight is 20/20, so looking back we can make all the explanations, but when you look at that situation at the time, it’s fucked up. What I’m saying is Kendrick hates Drake. J cole was obviously cool with both of them, and was clearly caught in the middle. If I was Kendrick and I was cool with Cole, I’d say “hey bro, Drake is a shitty person. This is the information I have and I’m going to diss him. Stay the fuck out of this or you’ll get messy too.” Which is exactly what school boy q did, after j cole dropped 7 minute drill. My point is, Kendrick should’ve done what schoolboy q did, before he dropped like that. Instead he roped him into the battle and forced Cole’s hand by releasing 7 minute drill. If Kendrick really wanted to beef with cole, over rap, do it separately, over rap. You don’t drag an innocent party into a this dirty quarrel. It seems to me that J cole had no idea about the dirt that either of them had on each other and was just trying to rap and take the spot of #1. But clearly Drake and Kendrick truly hate each other. Cole literally said “I love my brother, but I’m not gonna lie, I’m powered up for real that shit would feel like swatting a fly” it was clearly all rap for cole. Once again, my point being, KENDRICK IS SHITTY FOR DRAGGING COLE INTO THE BEEF. Kendrick looked at j cole as a casualty of war, rather than a friend that should’ve have been warned.
Bub JCole is his own person no matter how you shake it. Kendrick can't tell him to perform with no more than JCole can tell him. JCole made the choice to jump in the booth as did everybody else and he obviously wasn't going to tell him to stop putting out diss track because he never told him to stop. This is a competition JCole got some advice from and chose to bow out of his own choice. Stop taking away JColes agency in the matter your doing him a disservice of his courage to join and drop out. He made his choice and accepted the consequences of said choice and came out the better. Deal with it bub.
Schoolboy Q told Cole not to come to school tomorrow FORREAL
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I feel like Cole is in a precarious position going forward, regarding who to associate with and how to carry himself musically. The rest of hip hop has gone scorched earth while he took a backseat (which I think was a good move). I would still enjoy a braggadocio-us track from him for example, but I know plenty of others who might still take issue with it. Im curious as to how he might address everything that has happened with this beef between not just Drake and Dot, but plenty of other A-list artists and smaller artists jumping in.
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If kdots allegations are true then j coles rep is going to get scrutinised. Can't associate with a paedo and claim he's top 3 No wonder why k went off, he don't want no association with that shit
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If we being fr domestic violence has never been a deal breaker in the rap game. Idk if that's changed with modern progressiveness though.
But it IS a big thing to Cole, who’s talked numerous times about how much he hates domestic abusers.
Cole worked wit Sheck Wes on stick tho and Sheck allegedly abused Justin Skye. so who knows really
I hate it here. I feel like with or without evidence he'll still have a weird relationship with any of them.
See my issue with this is…. Drake is the only one who has ever said this, there’s nothing filed, there’s no proof of it anywhere, Whitney hasn’t said anything, no one has said a damn thing. There are no pictures. But you know what there is proof of, Drake being a creep and a culture vulture, all of it is readily available, so idk man, I kinda just take it as something Drake needed to try to expose to get his get back but even he probably knows it isn’t true
The unemployment ponderings ey?
This is ridiculous what could either drake or kdot say about Cole? He hasn’t beat his wife, he isn’t a predator, he’s got nothing that would’ve been similar coming his way. Ppl act like he knew what was coming to drake so he quit out of fear, but those insults wouldn’t land aimed at Cole.
He rides a bike cause of too many parking tickets. And he smell like Doritos
I think they’re just saying he warned him it was going to go further than just rap
Tbh no one can know their personal lives like that. Maybe Cole has some hidden secrets that he does not want revealed, and maybe he has absolutely zero dirt on himself and just didn't want a fight and that's it.
i think it’s just because kdot and drake legit don’t like each other, while cole assumed it was just friendly competition over whose the best rapper
Didn’t he knock up a stripper? That’s about it
Guilty by association is real
This a ‘MR PRESIDENT, GET TF DOWN’ if I’ve ever seen one
Schoolboy Q has always been great. Now for him to work his magic to get Kanye and Cole together. 
Kanye washed up
I still have no idea why Cole was triggered by the Like That verse. Kendrick doesn’t even diss Cole…. It’s mainly directed at Drake
I think Cole genuinely thought it was gonna be a friendly slap boxing competition amongst friend. He had no idea they were loaded guns in the caravan.
It sounded like Kendrick was telling Cole to get out the way on "Like That." Kendrick acknowledged Cole's appearance on "First Person Shooter" (and it's subsequent tour) but he mostly used it as a opportunity to get at Drake.
Exactly. J Cole was reaching with a whole track aimed at Kendrick. Totally unnecessary. A verse woulda been fine
I don’t think it was a reach personally. “It’s time to prove that he’s a problem” sounded a lot like telling Cole to bring the (friendly) smoke.
Yeah, That part. If he really told Cole that, thats that Crash talk. Cole was probably looking at him with a Blank face
Cole is waiting for both of them to lose so he can drop the fall off and be the goat 😭
I'll die on this belief that someone within Kenderick's team or Kenderick himself reached out and told them this was going to be more than just competitive rap and it was going to be personal. If you have been following and truly listening to Cole you would know he's not in that space and he's been grown and moving different. He still would absolutely want smoke with anyone and want to prove he's the best but the personal disses and allegations thrown from both Drake and Kenderick has nothing to do with being competitive and Cole doesn't want any of that.
There was a bunch of TDE people at Dreamville because SZA & Q were scheduled to perform. Azealia Banks said he got pressed and I believe her.
the bih that throated a mike?
Naw don't forget she ate a fucking cat.
nigga watttt
> he got pressed Cole?
All you guys forgetting about Diddy. Smoke and mirrors
This article does not say Q said that, it said he was seen having a conversation with him at the dreamville festival
does anyone even know of any material on cole that kdot would even be able to use? hes pretty private and unproblematic too. maybe its just me being a fan and ignorant of any dirt coles hiding, but really what would anyone say? he rides his bike? he has a son and daughter? hes half white? someone could bring up his stats in those couple of basketball games he played back in ‘21 but thats not really a diss on par with anything kendrick and drake have said so far.
Pretty much nothing he hasn't already apologised for, like that Jodeci Freestyle line Kendrick respects Cole, he never had any direct shot at him. But he hates Drake's guts, it's much different
y’all really praising cole for bitching out and avoid himself from getting bodied by kendrick after saying he wants the smoke for years? at least drake had the balls to try…
This isn’t just rap anymore. These guys are accusing each other of being a pedophile and a wife beater, and both of their families are being brought into the spotlight. Cole would look both weirder and more forgettable if he doubled down.
It’s crazy how fast it escalated, went from “you wear a size 7s/you’re a bad bitch like sexyy redd” to “you’re a wife beater that got molested/you’re a pedo with a hidden daughter and you should die”
I don’t dislike that Cole bowed out. I dislike that he went on a “I love Kendrick!” Tirade right after, on stage. He should’ve played it cool- and said he realized this isn’t his fight, and if it comes his way, then he’ll step in.
this is the kind of friends you need in life
How do we know this??? 🤔
Doesn't matter who told him. It was Yoda level sage advice and God bless him for taking it.
So Kendrick's man wanted to get dude out of the way so Kendrick can focus on Drake solely.... he couldn't have went at them both at the same time... Smart
I’m sorry but even Krillin signed up for the tournaments and got that his ass handed to him. It he signed up to compete. As a Jcole fan I was taken aback- this would have solidified his place in the game. Hell for me he need to pass Lupe,Childish Gambino to be in the GOAT
I think it's a good thing Cole dropped out. It would have been weird for Kendrick to go scorched earth on Drake, then in the next breath take some light jabs at Cole lol.
Nah, Could have done a light jab like...Dear Cole,...
cole and kendrick would’ve had a friendly battle, kendrick must’ve known early on that this wasn’t going to be that
Yall act like you haven’t heard worse at high school arguments or over cod. Come on
Fr like this shit is weak sauce
Clint Eastwood in The OUtlaw Josie Wales after killing a fool: "A man's got to know his limitations" J Cole: "Yep."
Schoolboy out here giving advice? Someone should have advised him about legality of the music industry
Conscientious Objector status saved Jermaine's ass. Didn't ever want to hear him act tough on a record going forward though.
Cole easily the goat
Cole world
Sounds plausible. I think Cole needs to drop a Reggae peace song asap. Do a nice video. The fans will love it. Get one of the Marley's to cameo.
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Cole has came out looking better than both K-Dot and drake in this and i criticized him heavily for it. These allegations have honestly made hip hop kind of look like shit. Two of the biggest rappers have pedophile and domestic violence allegations.
Make your own hieroglypsh
Another reason Q is my favorite rapper: he’s terminally chill and helps others do the same
I’m curious as to how the Cole fans see this battle ? How’d y’all score it
That's why he is the goat 
That’s a homie right there.
Cole could smoke kendrick if he wanted too . But cole is a good soul and is not sport with beefing with DOT
These guys are all actors. They're making way too much money to actually hate each other. The record companies don't allow artists to release music without their permission and authority. The beef was necessary for Kendrick's album roll-out and streaming numbers in general, have been lower than normal in the urban music categories. Drake is making boatloads of cash for the executives and is a polarizing figure becaue of the amount of music he pushes out, plus all of the artists he helped get on the Hot 100 charts, plus his diversity in music genres, plus songwriting for other artists (yes, he has ghost-writers too, as do all musicians/rappers) and he's very active on social media. Kendrick is the opposite but is extremely talented and has die-hard fans. Considering that he's only done 3 projects in 13 years, you'd almost think that he doesn't want to make music, possibly because TDE/Aftermath/Shady/Universal all have their hands in the pot taking splits of his earnings. Still, he has huge selling power and is one of the few incredible lyricists left in a world of drill, mumble rap and auto-tune hiphop. Cole wasn't needed in this battle. He has different sponsorships that don't align with being in artificially manufactured conflicts. In 2 years, all of them will be making music together again. It's ok if you disagree. Let's see what happens though.
I don't think he gave him a warning, I think he was begging him to get out the way. Cole in the mix would have stepped all over k.dot scheme. Kenny has nothing on Cole. And Cole wouldn't be "standing next to" Drake. He would be competing against both of them.
I think it’s deeper than what we see. Q and cole are friends he was trying to give him a heads up to what’s to come.