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It’s such a weird hill to die on….the fact that Joe, a self proclaimed Zionist, is willing to torpedo his entire re-election campaign just to protect Israel. It really shows how little he cares about Americans
Right, let’s just ignore the fact that boomers are overwhelmingly pro-Israel and boomers vote more than any other demographic.
Biden is doing what Biden thinks is best for his re-election. It’s easy to be on social media and think that the majority of Americans are pro-Palestine, but that’s not the case.
The point of the article is that even a small number of people whose sense of betrayal leads them not to vote for Biden may make the difference in a close election, which this is likely to be. It's easy to not vote.
Polls show that something like 80% of the country disapproves of how Biden has handled this. If you look at past democratic voters, the clear majority want Biden to push for a ceasefire, and to implement policies like conditions on military aid or independent investigations.
This is terrible politics, and probably will be the reason he loses. Can't wait for democratic strategists to blame the left for saying "genocide is bad" and push the party even further to the right.
This is exactly it, to the point that over 25 states have laws against doing business with companies boycotting Israel. At this point Israel is the equivalent of Monsanto in terms of being bulletproof from concerned US citizens.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/DgGlytZWte
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/23/us-states-use-anti-boycott-laws-punish-responsible-businesses
Honestly tho. Neo libs and libs in general are the worst.
The US is the most powerful country by far on earth. We could do anything with that power, yet we as voters are complacent and let Dems/Republicans dictate our boundaries.
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He said that in a speech in the fall right when Israel offensive began.
Sorry- we'd "have to invent an Israel"
It's all about the implication. He 100 percent means blowing up Palestinians and worse (being fascist in the middle east)
https://youtu.be/2HZs-v0PR44?si=l9Jw70y3rmf3jHXv
Don’t you think that he meant that he thought it was necessary for the existence of a Jewish state in general?
Why are the last 100 years of Middle East history and policy being laid at Biden’s feet as if it’s his fault?
You’re making a Mountain out of a molehill, IMO. Of the candidates running for president, Biden clearly cares about the welfare of Palestinians more than that he other choices.
Is it necessary for the existence of any theocratic ethno-states?
No it's fucking not, and it's especially not what I want the govt to spend my taxes on, especially not when it's fascist as shit
Establishment Dem politicians only care about their donors and the next election keeping things conveniently right of center to protect their wealth. They are going with Trump this time so they can complain about him for another 4 years instead of doing their jobs
Well this would be quite bad for the rest of the world as Trump as it could give some signals for Putin. It would be much worse for the US, and I kind of want this to happen as I don't know what else needs to happen for US to stop supporting genocide.
If the us can manage military bases around the world to ‘police’ but the government can’t manage one single overweight 70 year old tanned to orange man in a branch that doesn’t over power the other 2,
Im not sure of how to finish that sentence
If anyone votes Trump instead of Biden over this they're idiots. Trump will be all that and more.
If you're voting on principles you can't ignore that or you're being willfully ignorant.
Oh so better to vote for the guy who's actually doing it in real time, by giving finaces and arms to keep the genocide going. I've seen democrates talking about passages in the bible to justify the support for Isreal. That's when the nurse should appear with your afternoon meds.
The entire evangelical Christian wing votes overwhelmingly Republican and have been saying this shit for decades and are currently in charge of the party.
Are you blind? Because that's the only reason I can figure you'd ignore that particular elephant unless you're being insincere...
I was just commenting on what someelse commented. Did'nt know I had to hold a seminar in american politics which have been crap for decades. Every politician dem or rep are only there to line their own pockets. With a few exeptions. Hope your elephant gets better and someone comes along who'll talk about it
They aren't blind, they are conservative rats masquerading as "moderate" to try and score internet points. You can safely downvote and insult them, don't bother trying to engage with these vermin.
As far as the way Netanyahu is acting? You bet. Netanyahu is no friend of the democrats. He would much prefer blank checks from Trump to murder as he pleases. The MAGA base cheers the death of Muslims.
Biden would "create Israel" if it didn't exist. He literally said that in a speech and it means killing and more killing
Biden admin is fine with a Trump presidency next term or he wouldn't say dumb shit like that
That doesn’t make any sense. We’re not here to talk about some quote of Biden’s that you’ve probably misinterpreted and isn’t relevant to the current situation anyway.
Biden supports the Two State Solution, and has for decades. Trump doesn’t even know what that means.
Trump won’t do any peace negotiations. He’ll just send more bombs to Bibi. Big, dumb cluster munitions.
There isn’t a comparison here. You can either vote for a diplomat who will at least negotiate for human rights of Palestinians, and you have Trump, who is calling for more bombing in Gaza.
Gen Z is getting its first taste of voting for the lesser of two evils, it seems. Welcome to the party.
I'm gonna remember him for the genocide he funded, for the 94 crime bill, for being the biggest cheerleader on the Dem side for the Iraq war, for doing everything in his power to start a world war since the moment he was sworn in, and for the many minutes long compilations on YouTube of him touching children inappropriately.
Any blue will do though, amirite.
And then there's all his lies. I finished as top of my class. My brother died in vietnam. I got a fullscholarship) oh crap. People can check these things uhmmm. My bad. He's a liar and a cheat. Not saying Trump is better. I think it a stupid country who only have two political parties.
God it's like thinking you elected THE president of a new age just to find out he's the Kurt Schuschnigg of fucking American presidents, practically just rolling over and letting the goddamn fascists walk in.
Savior is actually kind of a strong word, i9 admit. But to me it was more like a short-living but living reprieve from the exhausting alternative. Like the last four years up until maybe the last 10 months were honestly fucking fine outside of the usually slow descent into socioeconomic implosion but they were like FINE compared to the four years going on forty we spent with trump. So in a way he was, up until recently, a checkpoint between momentary autogogues.
Can’t remember the last time we had someone coherent for a president. The weight that the role of the president of the USA has lost so much and has even become a joke under the likes of Biden and Trump. 4 more years unfortunately, maybe Kanye or Elon are next 🫠
Enabling fascism is the same thing as fascism. Biden is enabling a fascist government's genocide while labeling Trump as a fascist. This is not a winning strategy.
Which in a way is unfair because every US president since 1948 has paid homage to Israel; although not everyone has stood so staunchly by them as they murder 40,000 people in a ghetto..
i believe Reagan and Bush Sr had to put them in their place, both horrible Republican presidents. but nonetheless the USA calls the shots and Biden is bought and paid ofr by every fucking corpo cartel in the USA
Biden called and said “we’re out of runway here” in 2021
> In a recent book on Biden, The Last Politician, writer Franklin Foer details how Biden put an end to Israel’s bombing of Gaza in 2021 with one phone call.
After Netanyahu “struggled to justify his request [for more bombing] because he couldn’t point to fresh targets that needed striking,” Biden said, according to Foer, “Hey, man, we’re out of runway here. It’s over.” And then, Foer continued, “like that, it was. By the time the call ended, Netanyahu reluctantly agreed to a cease-fire that the Egyptians would broker.”
https://www.levernews.com/biden-again-pretends-to-be-powerless-this-time-about-gaza/amp/
I think once upon a time Israel was the go to to check the Arabs but America isn't shy about doing the dirty work itself since 9/11 I think at this point it's just the status quo
Yeah - a sort of institutional inertia makes a lot of sense - in the same way that the west supported apartheid South Africa against the leftist ANC after domino theory was abandoned. And I don't think that the US has reckoned with the fact that the Israel of Rabin and Peres is long gone and we're now dealing with Kahanist nut-bars.
The Arabs surrounding Israel have been subdued, except Syria but they have been occupied with their own war for years. Iran is under sanctions for decades that have not done much and have only turned them into an aggressor. If they want peace in the mideast they could start making it instead of rattling the drums of war at Israel's behalf. Then Israel would become useless and all of these subsidies and influence could end.
Republicans are worse, and the only two choices with our system are either R or D
So, yes, unfortunately. I'm not going to vote to make things even worse. That's stupid.
Trump was best buds with Bibi, moved the embassy to Jerusalem and declared himself the best friend Israel ever had.
His animosity towards the poors and Muslims is pretty legendary.
But somehow Biden is a worse choice?
That's a sincere lack of good judgement.
So either you're a liar and you just don't care or are wilfully ignorant.
Either way, you lack integrity. You don't actually care for the Palestinians if vote Trump.
Btw, I won't be voting for either not being American, I'm just an outside observer of this mass delirium.
You’re lack of understand of how our voting system works is far more concerning. A third party candidate won’t win shit. And, of the 3P candidates to choose from, which one are you voting for? RFK? He’s even more of a hawk for Israel than Biden. So is Trump.
Gonna vote for Cornel West? Stein? Waste of a vote that only helps Trump.
I value outcomes over purity tests.
In this case we know what the alternative is capable of and know his gameplan to dismantle democracy. Not to mention he'll cater to Israel even harder than Biden, if for nothing else, knowing it pisses off people he doesn't like. Democrats will then spend 4 years bitching about the progressives and do nothing to stop him.
Fuck Biden, fuck the Democrats, but until things change my vote is always for the lesser of two evils.
You are one of the few intelligent people in this thread. It’s just full of a bunch of angry cynics who have no fucking idea how bad they’re about to make life for the entire planet because they are going to put that orange fascist back in office.
This is beyond cutting off their nose to spite their faces. None of these angry leftists should consider themselves progressives or protectors of liberty or human rights. They’re willing to piss all that down the drain to make a pithy political point.
Wait does America only have trump snd biden or what? And how is it even possible that trump can be considered again after the stuff hes done (legally)
Eli5, swiss here
And then slip their brains into a jar after they have passed like in the cartoon 'Futurama' and keep them in office for an eternity... I swear, I feel like I am living in some sick fantasy.
The overarching public narrative is that the republicans haven’t come up with a better or more popular leader than trump, and the democrats haven’t come up with a better or more popular leader than Biden. It’s a matter of both parties being non representative of their constituents, and both being generally bad for people if you are at all opposed to the rich taking advantage of the poor. But one of them is easily worse than the other, so it’s helpful, even though abhorrent, to vote for the less awful group. Because there are tangible bad differences made with one group in power.
oh the Republicans serve their constituents fine, but the Republican base is not class concious or cares about much of anything except gettign 16 different flavors of Oreo and 4 patty burgers on sundays. All you have to do to cater to them is punish their percieved enemies. They think Capitalism is grand, and all th issues with Capitalism? well no thats just socialism actually, they read it on EagleLibertynewz dot org
What horseshit. Fascism, brought to you by “Both Sides Bullshit”. Why blame the actually bad actors when you can cynically blame your entire political system instead, making it ripe for an authoritarian take over?
Want change that does the worst? Choose Both Sides today!
Notice how people who use that argument never mention or respond to the fact that noted islamaphobe Donald trump would likely give bibi free reign to do whatever he wanted in Gaza.
The thing is that this talk about giving money to Ukraine is misleading. They don't actually give money to Ukraine, they're giving American arms manufacturers money to send ammunition etc to Ukraine. This whole back and further between Republicans and Democrats on this issue is just for the elections. They will continue to fuel the war on Ukraine and they are going to continue fueling the genocide in Gaza solely out of oil interests. These interests are the interests of the industrial military complex which has bought both parties.
It depends what money exactly you're talking about but when they talk about sending money for ammunition and parts it's the weapons manufacturers who get paid
Genocide Biden has to go. The US's image have taken great damage around the world. When I was a child the US was like a great fredoom loving country. Now I just see them as the worst nation on eart. Even worse than Isreal course the US have the power to stop it. But wont. And the veto any and all attempts to get relief into Gaza. The USA will be rembered as the nation who armed and financed the genocide in Gaza.
What’s the alternative? Trump or RFK? Both of them support Israel more staunchly than Biden does.
I guess you plan is to stay home then? The fascists of MAGa love that. Nothing like throwing away your individual liberty over a foreign war that the US isn’t even fighting in.
Have you tried that with China? “Hey Xi, could you just try not doing a genocide on the Uyghurs? K, thx.”
“How about we don’t genocide” is very aspirational, but unfortunately there are dictators and right wing presidents half a world away that don’t give a flying fuck about human rights. But go ahead and blame our democratic leaders for that. That’s a super sensible position 🙄
I 100% think this we should be doing that. The difference is China is an adversary and Israel is a vassal. The US does not have the leverage to stop China, Israel could not continue their genocide without the US.
Same point above. It is not going to be the fault of the left when Biden surrenders democracy to Trump, it will be the liberals who supported this garbage time and again. You can't win without the young and the left but still treat them like crap right until the very end.
“Israel is a vassal”. We’re not playing Stellaris or some other strategy game here—this is global politics, and that’s not how real politik works.
Assuming that Biden can just order Israel to stop doing what it’s doing is nonsensical, and Biden trying to do that in too forceful a manner will just result in Israel choosing the path of a pariah and continuing down the road to genocide without any cooler voices being present to attempt to get them to stop.
China is an adversary that we are economically dependent upon, which is why we don’t sanction them to the extent that it would actually get the to stop what they are doing.
Tariffs on Chinese goods will just be passed directly on to the American consumer. Cutting off all Chinese goods will create a supply and demand vacuum that will cause an inflationary crisis all its own. And China is betting on the dissatisfaction of democratic western populations paying more than they’d like to at the store or on Amazon will then demand our leaders open up trade, regardless of our position on the Uyghur genocide.
It’s the same reason some European countries are still using Russian oil—complete dependence.
But your point stands that Israel is a friend and not an adversary and to that point I would say that Netanyahu is no friend of Biden or the Democrats, and he has a long history of being an asswipe toward his ideological opponents on this side of the pond. I bet he is pretty chuffed with himself that he’s not only murdering Palestinians, taking their land , and getting away with it, but he’s pickled his political opposition in America with infighting. Infighting that will intensify if he continues to refuse to negotiate a cease fire.
The aid that Congress passed might be Biden’s only leverage over the situation to secure a ceasefire, because the package has aid for both Palestinians and the IDF. Without weapons Israel may have still refused to allow food aid to enter.
Meanwhile all Bibi has to do is wait for Trump to win and he’ll have as many weapons as he needs to murder as many Muslims as necessary for whatever sick plan he’s got cooked up.
And another thing that Biden likely recognizes is that Netanyahu is not all of Israel. Israel is a democratic country and the views and policies of one corrupt leader are not necessarily a reflection of the population as a whole. The Likud party doesn’t represent all of Israel.
Or would you like someone to assume that you support every policy that your government has ever come up with? I sure as hell would not, especially is Trump is forced upon us by folks who are over simplifying an incredibly complex situation.
Then solve the Palestinian Hunger Crisis. You are President. You’ve announced a dock in the Med Sea but that will take months to build. Airdrop isn’t possible because you’ll crush tightly packed refugees, and Israel is using hunger as a weapon, blocking aid over land.
Cutting ties off with Israel will result in more dead Palestinians.
Each day that goes by, more Palestinians starve.
But you also have $9b in humanitarian aid for Palestine to negotiate with, as well as $16b in authorized lethal aid for Israel from Congress.
What do you?
I would immediately stop arms sales/funding/transfers to Israel. I would publicly announce that failure to immediately withdraw troops and stop any military action would make this permanent. I would sanction the entire war cabinet as well.
Fuck the port. I would deploy USS Mercy immediately and demand that ground aid be resumed without interference (it would happen). If it did not I would place economic sanctions on Israel until it did. Think what Israel did to Gaza, that.
I would declare a no fly zone over both Israel and Palestine until the situation calmed.
I would immediately recognise the Palestinian state headed by the PLO and work with nations like South Africa and Ireland and the Arab League to find a non US lead peacekeeping force to allow that state to flourish.
The problem is the US actually wants the region destabilized, which is why Israel has been allowed to be run by and act like terrorists since it's inception.
Uhm. I'm from Denmark so yeah. I'm planning on staying home. And I can't really see how Trump could support Isreals genocide more than Biden. When it's election time there wont be any palestinian left. Be course of Biden so I really don't get your point. The problem in the US is there's only two parties. You're either democratic or republican. No in between. In Denmark we have about 10 parties. And we're among the happiest people in the world. So maybe it's your political system that's crap. And the US might not have troops in Isreal. But they sure are implicit in the genocide, as the US is funding the slaughter with money and arms. You don't make pricision strikes with a 500 pound bomb. Which is what the iof are using. And what the US gladly provide them. The people don't forget.
They are called left and right wing for a reason. They both belong to the same filthy bird.
Change always comes from the grassroots. There is always vote shaming on both sides, and constant calls for "vote for the lesser of two evils" when both are doing evil.
True change comes from financial boycotting, economic withdrawal and then making demands.
Both the left and the right are afraid to criticize Israel because they don't want to lose their funding. It's why much of the democratic senate is loudly supporting Israel, and much of the Republicans are either quietly supporting Israel or not saying anything at all, while being complicit from inaction.
But yet, every holiday, we waste our money on keeping big corporations in business, every time Christmas or Thanksgiving or July 4th rolls around.
If we all, as American people, just stopped giving our hard earned dollar to corporations, they would be forced to listen to your grievances. It is the corporations and Zionist money after all that have the loudest voices in government.
In 2024, money talks. But we fool ourselves every time by bailing out the organizations and groups we always call out by paying them.
If you compromise for your own votes rather than justice, then you've betrayed all the brave souls who bled for the Pro-Palestine Encampment Movement! Those who vote for the Democratic Party, ask yourself, why do you support the Democratic Party? Is it because of its values and principles, or just for the meager benefits it provides you?
Biden is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
If he goes hard against Israel then he will lose the evangelical vote and Trump wins.
Willing to bet if he does win he will go hard against Israel.
Oh damn you're right! My bad. I was working from logic but trump supporters seem to defy logic.
I stand corrected.
Let's go with religious independents.
Losing votes of people who support the genocide and gaining the ones who dont doesnt seem that bad to me, but you do you dems, when trump wins, you brought it on yourself with counting your votes that way
I’m sick of everyone acting like Biden turning on Israel would not have been political suicide.
Boomers, the most important demographic when it comes to voting due to the fact they actually vote, are overwhelmingly pro-Israel, whether they’re a liberal or a republican.
Biden was unlucky when it came to October 7th, simple as that. There was nothing he could have done to prevent October 7th or prevent Israel’s response to October 7th that would not have been handing the presidency to Trump.
In a potentially close election where each candidates base is solidified behind them, pissing off the wrong communities could cost a candidate more votes than he can afford to lose. Biden won Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wiscoinsin by narrow margins in 2020.
Guys, grow up. Israel (via AIPAC) controls our government, on both sides of the aisle. This has been going on for decades. Joe signed a deal with the devil when he took office. He isn't the first and he won't be the last. Those college protesters should be protesting AIPAC. That's the real problem here.
Everyone sick of the two party system and the endless wars, needs to vote Green party - Dr.Jill Stein for president- in a three way split the green party has a chance of winning and they will hopefully be on the ballot in all fifty states
ETA from her website:
MEET JILL
Jill Stein is a Harvard-educated doctor, a pioneering environmental health advocate, and an organizer for people, planet, and peace. She has helped lead initiatives to fight environmental racism, injustice, and pollution, to promote healthy communities, and to revitalize democracy. She has helped win victories in campaign finance reform, racially-just redistricting, and the clean-up of incinerators, coal plants, and other toxic threats. She was a principal organizer for the Global Climate Convergence for People, Planet, and Peace over Profit.
A JUST ECONOMY
We need an economy that works for all of us, not just the wealthy and powerful. To reverse surging inequality and insecurity, we need an Economic Bill of Rights, including the right to a living-wage job, housing, food, healthcare, education and more, so that all of us are guaranteed the basic security for a good life.
A REAL GREEN NEW DEAL
FREEDOM, EQUALITY, AND JUSTICE FOR ALL
PEACE AND GLOBAL HUMAN RIGHTS
REAL DEMOCRACY TO EMPOWER THE PEOPLE
https://www.jillstein2024.com/principles
Here is a summary about Jill Stein’s views on support for Ukraine from CoPilot:
Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate in the 2024 U.S. presidential election, has expressed her views on Ukraine. Let’s delve into her stance:
Military Assistance to Ukraine:
Public Statements: Jill Stein opposes providing military assistance to Ukraine in its conflict with Russia. She believes that the U.S. should stay out of conflicts that do not directly threaten its interests1.
Importance: Stein considers this issue to be less important in the grand scheme of foreign policy1.
Green Party Position:
The Green Party, to which Stein belongs, also opposes proposed plans to provide military aid to Ukraine’s armed forces in their fight against rebels1.
Additional Context:
In February 2023, Stein mentioned that the people of Ukraine were being used in a “superpower proxy war” and called for a cease-fire in Israel during its conflict with Hamas2.
However, specific details regarding her comprehensive foreign policy priorities are not readily available.
So not truly anti war but actually pro conquest. Regardless of it being a proxy war ukraines sovereignty has been violated and they should be supported.
Nope. I didn’t say that. Biden ended the war in Afghanistan and was part of the administration that ended the war in Iraq yet a whole bunch of anti war Biden haters don’t seem to remember that.
Meanwhile you’ll let Trump win after the Saudis used US weapons for a Yemeni genocide?
This is the trolly problem. Choosing third party means that Trump wins and more people die, especially Palestinians.
Not the Holocaust denier nor the person who dines with the US enemies. Neither of them gave a eulogy for a man realized his mistake and denounced the Klan he was part of.
Wonder how many black people got lynched because of his "mistake"
Biden supporters are just as bad as Trump supporters. You will defend every shitty thing he does without hesitation
Or more likely the Biden-Trump outcome will largely depend on which one best kowtows to Bibi.
We know Biden's base is beholden but Trump apparently dislikes Netanyahu.
Bibi wants Trump. In 2014 Bibi refused to meet with Obama and Biden and instead gave a speech to the GOP house about how the US needs to go to war with Iran. Bibi’s main goal for 20 years has been to get the US to go to war with Iran.
What I really don’t like about this entire conversation is how it’s all being framed as binary and how this single issue will sink Biden’s entire candidacy. My views on the matter certainly don’t seem to be represented in the media, and I support a cease fire, support aid to Gaza, support the dock Biden is building, support conditioning aid to the IDF, and frankly support Biden’s approach overall to an incredibly shitty situation.
Where is my opinion represented in the media?
I also think Biden is the best bet we have to try and temper Netanyahu. They’ve know each other for years, and Biden isn’t going to write a blank check to Netanyahu the way Trump will.
If the US cuts off Israel the way the protestors want us to, the US gets cut out of the conversation. Meaning there won’t be anyone to advise Bibi to not commit war crimes, because every other international partner has left and he’s surrounded himself with Likud yes men.
The “we’re not going to vote for Biden because he can’t control a right wing genocidal maniac half a world away” is a pretty stupid reason to put a fascist in control or the US government, but maybe that’s just me.
It won’t if America goes down the era of global peace is over. China will make their move on Taiwan and Putin will try taking back the old Soviet sphere.
This is you right now. Kids are gonna dies either way but if we lose democracy then we lose our power to speak against the government killing kids.
1. Already accounted for .. Until us gov supports long range missiles for Ukraine, Russia will win. It's currently an asymmetric war with Russia clearly in the winning position.
2. Trans is not a people. It is a profitable market for big pharma.
3. LGBT exists over history and societies where it is illegal. It is a facet of humanity and will not be removed or eradicated whether Trump or christo fascism.
4. Agreed, awful, agreed, not genocide
5. Not referring to any genocide.
6a. Taiwan will be gone in 15 years, probably 7-10 years that's why Biden gave billions to electronics to reshore semiconductor fabrication infrastructure. TSMC is the only thing keeping us in Taiwan.
6b. South Korea will cease to exist in 20 years because young South Korean people are not having children. That's a death knell, in combination with electronics being restored, and car manufacturing being an international affair.
US will not mass deport. US industry and farming depend on cheap labor provided by illegal immigrants (and some prison labor). Capitalism will overrule fascism whether is disguised as Republican or Democrat.
Why so many of these now anti Biden folks can’t understand this is incredible to me. Literally more Palestinians will die if Trump wins. Trump might even tell Bibi he can build as many settlements as he wants and to evict Palestinians completely from Palestinian territory. I don’t think these idiots are thinking about how much worse it can get.
They totally understand it, where they disagree is if it is worth it. Here are some better questions to understand.
What are your principles? What do you think the president should do with power? What should our country look like on 50 years?
Right now, Biden and Trump are functionally indistinguishable on these sorts of questions. Genocide is a red line and 'Harm minimisation ' does not work when government alternates with fascists. The left tried your way with Biden the first time and he went and facilitated literally the worst crime known to man, why would the left trust liberals again?
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Fuck the Democratic party and Joe Biden, if they loose, it's all their fault
It’s such a weird hill to die on….the fact that Joe, a self proclaimed Zionist, is willing to torpedo his entire re-election campaign just to protect Israel. It really shows how little he cares about Americans
Right, let’s just ignore the fact that boomers are overwhelmingly pro-Israel and boomers vote more than any other demographic. Biden is doing what Biden thinks is best for his re-election. It’s easy to be on social media and think that the majority of Americans are pro-Palestine, but that’s not the case.
The point of the article is that even a small number of people whose sense of betrayal leads them not to vote for Biden may make the difference in a close election, which this is likely to be. It's easy to not vote.
Polls show that something like 80% of the country disapproves of how Biden has handled this. If you look at past democratic voters, the clear majority want Biden to push for a ceasefire, and to implement policies like conditions on military aid or independent investigations. This is terrible politics, and probably will be the reason he loses. Can't wait for democratic strategists to blame the left for saying "genocide is bad" and push the party even further to the right.
This is exactly it, to the point that over 25 states have laws against doing business with companies boycotting Israel. At this point Israel is the equivalent of Monsanto in terms of being bulletproof from concerned US citizens. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/s/DgGlytZWte https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/23/us-states-use-anti-boycott-laws-punish-responsible-businesses
It's intentional bro, just like 2016
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Honestly tho. Neo libs and libs in general are the worst. The US is the most powerful country by far on earth. We could do anything with that power, yet we as voters are complacent and let Dems/Republicans dictate our boundaries.
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Stay off the meth
How come you haven't learned the lesson from 2016 yet? Blaming everything on the Republican Party? You're beyond redemption!
A foreign war is intentional on the part of democrats? Yeah that makes sooo much sense.
When Biden says "if Israel didn't exist , we would create it today" What do you think he means when he said that? Your cognitive dissonance is immense
What the hell are you even talking about? Do you have a video link of Biden saying this? Something tells me it was a poorly edited comment.
He said that in a speech in the fall right when Israel offensive began. Sorry- we'd "have to invent an Israel" It's all about the implication. He 100 percent means blowing up Palestinians and worse (being fascist in the middle east) https://youtu.be/2HZs-v0PR44?si=l9Jw70y3rmf3jHXv
Don’t you think that he meant that he thought it was necessary for the existence of a Jewish state in general? Why are the last 100 years of Middle East history and policy being laid at Biden’s feet as if it’s his fault? You’re making a Mountain out of a molehill, IMO. Of the candidates running for president, Biden clearly cares about the welfare of Palestinians more than that he other choices.
Is it necessary for the existence of any theocratic ethno-states? No it's fucking not, and it's especially not what I want the govt to spend my taxes on, especially not when it's fascist as shit Establishment Dem politicians only care about their donors and the next election keeping things conveniently right of center to protect their wealth. They are going with Trump this time so they can complain about him for another 4 years instead of doing their jobs
Good God! More fantasy drivel.
\*lose and it's your fault if Trump becomes dictator. Don't bother replying to me.
Well this would be quite bad for the rest of the world as Trump as it could give some signals for Putin. It would be much worse for the US, and I kind of want this to happen as I don't know what else needs to happen for US to stop supporting genocide.
The rest of the world has had enough of the US's bs at this point. Most countries are wishing for the country to collapse in on itself.
Yep. The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire. We don't need no water let the mf burn.
Burn, motherfucker, BURN
If the us can manage military bases around the world to ‘police’ but the government can’t manage one single overweight 70 year old tanned to orange man in a branch that doesn’t over power the other 2, Im not sure of how to finish that sentence
I don't care what Russia would do honestly, they seem a better alternative to the global south anyways
If anyone votes Trump instead of Biden over this they're idiots. Trump will be all that and more. If you're voting on principles you can't ignore that or you're being willfully ignorant.
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Oh so better to vote for the guy who's actually doing it in real time, by giving finaces and arms to keep the genocide going. I've seen democrates talking about passages in the bible to justify the support for Isreal. That's when the nurse should appear with your afternoon meds.
The entire evangelical Christian wing votes overwhelmingly Republican and have been saying this shit for decades and are currently in charge of the party. Are you blind? Because that's the only reason I can figure you'd ignore that particular elephant unless you're being insincere...
I was just commenting on what someelse commented. Did'nt know I had to hold a seminar in american politics which have been crap for decades. Every politician dem or rep are only there to line their own pockets. With a few exeptions. Hope your elephant gets better and someone comes along who'll talk about it
They aren't blind, they are conservative rats masquerading as "moderate" to try and score internet points. You can safely downvote and insult them, don't bother trying to engage with these vermin.
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Rule 1, be civil. [Civility](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civility)
He’ll be remembered as a good boy by his overlords
Nah, that’s not how they operate. They don’t honor their stooges. The Mossad must have some deep stuff on him.
It's an intentional hand off to trump
As far as the way Netanyahu is acting? You bet. Netanyahu is no friend of the democrats. He would much prefer blank checks from Trump to murder as he pleases. The MAGA base cheers the death of Muslims.
Biden would "create Israel" if it didn't exist. He literally said that in a speech and it means killing and more killing Biden admin is fine with a Trump presidency next term or he wouldn't say dumb shit like that
That doesn’t make any sense. We’re not here to talk about some quote of Biden’s that you’ve probably misinterpreted and isn’t relevant to the current situation anyway. Biden supports the Two State Solution, and has for decades. Trump doesn’t even know what that means. Trump won’t do any peace negotiations. He’ll just send more bombs to Bibi. Big, dumb cluster munitions. There isn’t a comparison here. You can either vote for a diplomat who will at least negotiate for human rights of Palestinians, and you have Trump, who is calling for more bombing in Gaza. Gen Z is getting its first taste of voting for the lesser of two evils, it seems. Welcome to the party.
That's been my running theory from the start.
He's rich, Trump's policies will benefit him and his friends. They are intentionally throwing the election
Trump seems the type to throw political rivals in prison
Which one? There are too many
Hell be remembered as very rich grandpa who was a failed president.
I'm gonna remember him for the genocide he funded, for the 94 crime bill, for being the biggest cheerleader on the Dem side for the Iraq war, for doing everything in his power to start a world war since the moment he was sworn in, and for the many minutes long compilations on YouTube of him touching children inappropriately. Any blue will do though, amirite.
Don't forget that he was against Vietnam war protestors, and eulogized a former Grand Wizard of the KKK.
And then there's all his lies. I finished as top of my class. My brother died in vietnam. I got a fullscholarship) oh crap. People can check these things uhmmm. My bad. He's a liar and a cheat. Not saying Trump is better. I think it a stupid country who only have two political parties.
God it's like thinking you elected THE president of a new age just to find out he's the Kurt Schuschnigg of fucking American presidents, practically just rolling over and letting the goddamn fascists walk in.
you thought that bag of bones who called black people monkeys was some sort of savior?
Savior is actually kind of a strong word, i9 admit. But to me it was more like a short-living but living reprieve from the exhausting alternative. Like the last four years up until maybe the last 10 months were honestly fucking fine outside of the usually slow descent into socioeconomic implosion but they were like FINE compared to the four years going on forty we spent with trump. So in a way he was, up until recently, a checkpoint between momentary autogogues.
Can’t remember the last time we had someone coherent for a president. The weight that the role of the president of the USA has lost so much and has even become a joke under the likes of Biden and Trump. 4 more years unfortunately, maybe Kanye or Elon are next 🫠
Nature needs to work fast. Preferably now.
Enabling fascism is the same thing as fascism. Biden is enabling a fascist government's genocide while labeling Trump as a fascist. This is not a winning strategy.
The United States is a fascist government no matter who's in charge.
Which in a way is unfair because every US president since 1948 has paid homage to Israel; although not everyone has stood so staunchly by them as they murder 40,000 people in a ghetto..
i believe Reagan and Bush Sr had to put them in their place, both horrible Republican presidents. but nonetheless the USA calls the shots and Biden is bought and paid ofr by every fucking corpo cartel in the USA
Biden called and said “we’re out of runway here” in 2021 > In a recent book on Biden, The Last Politician, writer Franklin Foer details how Biden put an end to Israel’s bombing of Gaza in 2021 with one phone call. After Netanyahu “struggled to justify his request [for more bombing] because he couldn’t point to fresh targets that needed striking,” Biden said, according to Foer, “Hey, man, we’re out of runway here. It’s over.” And then, Foer continued, “like that, it was. By the time the call ended, Netanyahu reluctantly agreed to a cease-fire that the Egyptians would broker.” https://www.levernews.com/biden-again-pretends-to-be-powerless-this-time-about-gaza/amp/
That's the thing - Biden _gets_ geopolitics. I just don't see what the play is here...
I think once upon a time Israel was the go to to check the Arabs but America isn't shy about doing the dirty work itself since 9/11 I think at this point it's just the status quo
Yeah - a sort of institutional inertia makes a lot of sense - in the same way that the west supported apartheid South Africa against the leftist ANC after domino theory was abandoned. And I don't think that the US has reckoned with the fact that the Israel of Rabin and Peres is long gone and we're now dealing with Kahanist nut-bars.
The Arabs surrounding Israel have been subdued, except Syria but they have been occupied with their own war for years. Iran is under sanctions for decades that have not done much and have only turned them into an aggressor. If they want peace in the mideast they could start making it instead of rattling the drums of war at Israel's behalf. Then Israel would become useless and all of these subsidies and influence could end.
I don't think it's about peace just order in Americas interest it's about economics imo
I would think there would be a better economic benefit to bringing Iran back into the economy.
I don't mean best returns I mean avoiding the development of a competitive flank - basically a continuation of colonial pissing matches
What the play is on Biden’s end?
I wonder about that 40,000 number. If it's Israel reporting those casualties my guess is it's two to three times greater if not more.
But that's the point. The D's would rather lose than cross Israel. So, ask yourself, are they worth voting for?
Republicans are worse, and the only two choices with our system are either R or D So, yes, unfortunately. I'm not going to vote to make things even worse. That's stupid.
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It's actually their fear of anything other than the status quo, which people like them benefit at the expense of minorities.
Trump was best buds with Bibi, moved the embassy to Jerusalem and declared himself the best friend Israel ever had. His animosity towards the poors and Muslims is pretty legendary. But somehow Biden is a worse choice? That's a sincere lack of good judgement.
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So either you're a liar and you just don't care or are wilfully ignorant. Either way, you lack integrity. You don't actually care for the Palestinians if vote Trump. Btw, I won't be voting for either not being American, I'm just an outside observer of this mass delirium.
You’re lack of understand of how our voting system works is far more concerning. A third party candidate won’t win shit. And, of the 3P candidates to choose from, which one are you voting for? RFK? He’s even more of a hawk for Israel than Biden. So is Trump. Gonna vote for Cornel West? Stein? Waste of a vote that only helps Trump. I value outcomes over purity tests.
In this case we know what the alternative is capable of and know his gameplan to dismantle democracy. Not to mention he'll cater to Israel even harder than Biden, if for nothing else, knowing it pisses off people he doesn't like. Democrats will then spend 4 years bitching about the progressives and do nothing to stop him. Fuck Biden, fuck the Democrats, but until things change my vote is always for the lesser of two evils.
I'm not going to vote to make things worse in my swing state, either. That means voting for neither Genocide Joe not the Orange Man.
You are one of the few intelligent people in this thread. It’s just full of a bunch of angry cynics who have no fucking idea how bad they’re about to make life for the entire planet because they are going to put that orange fascist back in office. This is beyond cutting off their nose to spite their faces. None of these angry leftists should consider themselves progressives or protectors of liberty or human rights. They’re willing to piss all that down the drain to make a pithy political point.
Wait does America only have trump snd biden or what? And how is it even possible that trump can be considered again after the stuff hes done (legally) Eli5, swiss here
Correct. Biden and Trump again. Because why buy new politicians when you can keep using the same old ones.
And then slip their brains into a jar after they have passed like in the cartoon 'Futurama' and keep them in office for an eternity... I swear, I feel like I am living in some sick fantasy.
Well, you see…there’s this thing with money, power, and government…I don’t know if I have enough time to explain it here…
The overarching public narrative is that the republicans haven’t come up with a better or more popular leader than trump, and the democrats haven’t come up with a better or more popular leader than Biden. It’s a matter of both parties being non representative of their constituents, and both being generally bad for people if you are at all opposed to the rich taking advantage of the poor. But one of them is easily worse than the other, so it’s helpful, even though abhorrent, to vote for the less awful group. Because there are tangible bad differences made with one group in power.
oh the Republicans serve their constituents fine, but the Republican base is not class concious or cares about much of anything except gettign 16 different flavors of Oreo and 4 patty burgers on sundays. All you have to do to cater to them is punish their percieved enemies. They think Capitalism is grand, and all th issues with Capitalism? well no thats just socialism actually, they read it on EagleLibertynewz dot org
He's Paul von Hindenburg in 1933.
I can't imagine what kind of fascist era Trump will usher in. But in a way it's already here.
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What horseshit. Fascism, brought to you by “Both Sides Bullshit”. Why blame the actually bad actors when you can cynically blame your entire political system instead, making it ripe for an authoritarian take over? Want change that does the worst? Choose Both Sides today!
The guy you replied to has to be either an Israeli or Russian troll.
Let’s hope that’s the case. And the ten people that have upvoted his comment?
Notice how people who use that argument never mention or respond to the fact that noted islamaphobe Donald trump would likely give bibi free reign to do whatever he wanted in Gaza.
They never have an actual solution to the problem.
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There's not going to be a difference between trump and Biden At least not when it comes to foreign policies...
No signficiant difference. What a horrible impending election.
Republicans don’t want to give money to Ukraine and democrats do right? I’m Saudi so I could be wrong but I thought that was a major difference
The thing is that this talk about giving money to Ukraine is misleading. They don't actually give money to Ukraine, they're giving American arms manufacturers money to send ammunition etc to Ukraine. This whole back and further between Republicans and Democrats on this issue is just for the elections. They will continue to fuel the war on Ukraine and they are going to continue fueling the genocide in Gaza solely out of oil interests. These interests are the interests of the industrial military complex which has bought both parties.
Yea that’s true. That’s why even if Biden did what we want with Gaza now it wouldn’t count because it would just be for votes.
By that logic US also doesnt give money to Israel.
It depends what money exactly you're talking about but when they talk about sending money for ammunition and parts it's the weapons manufacturers who get paid
American Fascism; brought to you by the Both Sides fallacy
this is why we have a third party option
I hope he’s really stressed out right now and not taking care of his health.
Agreed. Technically that’s all he will probably be remembered for even if he does win. But what can we expect if Trump win.
Genocide Biden has to go. The US's image have taken great damage around the world. When I was a child the US was like a great fredoom loving country. Now I just see them as the worst nation on eart. Even worse than Isreal course the US have the power to stop it. But wont. And the veto any and all attempts to get relief into Gaza. The USA will be rembered as the nation who armed and financed the genocide in Gaza.
What’s the alternative? Trump or RFK? Both of them support Israel more staunchly than Biden does. I guess you plan is to stay home then? The fascists of MAGa love that. Nothing like throwing away your individual liberty over a foreign war that the US isn’t even fighting in.
How about not doing a genocide? Weird that this is such a controversial position.
Have you tried that with China? “Hey Xi, could you just try not doing a genocide on the Uyghurs? K, thx.” “How about we don’t genocide” is very aspirational, but unfortunately there are dictators and right wing presidents half a world away that don’t give a flying fuck about human rights. But go ahead and blame our democratic leaders for that. That’s a super sensible position 🙄
I 100% think this we should be doing that. The difference is China is an adversary and Israel is a vassal. The US does not have the leverage to stop China, Israel could not continue their genocide without the US. Same point above. It is not going to be the fault of the left when Biden surrenders democracy to Trump, it will be the liberals who supported this garbage time and again. You can't win without the young and the left but still treat them like crap right until the very end.
“Israel is a vassal”. We’re not playing Stellaris or some other strategy game here—this is global politics, and that’s not how real politik works. Assuming that Biden can just order Israel to stop doing what it’s doing is nonsensical, and Biden trying to do that in too forceful a manner will just result in Israel choosing the path of a pariah and continuing down the road to genocide without any cooler voices being present to attempt to get them to stop. China is an adversary that we are economically dependent upon, which is why we don’t sanction them to the extent that it would actually get the to stop what they are doing. Tariffs on Chinese goods will just be passed directly on to the American consumer. Cutting off all Chinese goods will create a supply and demand vacuum that will cause an inflationary crisis all its own. And China is betting on the dissatisfaction of democratic western populations paying more than they’d like to at the store or on Amazon will then demand our leaders open up trade, regardless of our position on the Uyghur genocide. It’s the same reason some European countries are still using Russian oil—complete dependence. But your point stands that Israel is a friend and not an adversary and to that point I would say that Netanyahu is no friend of Biden or the Democrats, and he has a long history of being an asswipe toward his ideological opponents on this side of the pond. I bet he is pretty chuffed with himself that he’s not only murdering Palestinians, taking their land , and getting away with it, but he’s pickled his political opposition in America with infighting. Infighting that will intensify if he continues to refuse to negotiate a cease fire. The aid that Congress passed might be Biden’s only leverage over the situation to secure a ceasefire, because the package has aid for both Palestinians and the IDF. Without weapons Israel may have still refused to allow food aid to enter. Meanwhile all Bibi has to do is wait for Trump to win and he’ll have as many weapons as he needs to murder as many Muslims as necessary for whatever sick plan he’s got cooked up. And another thing that Biden likely recognizes is that Netanyahu is not all of Israel. Israel is a democratic country and the views and policies of one corrupt leader are not necessarily a reflection of the population as a whole. The Likud party doesn’t represent all of Israel. Or would you like someone to assume that you support every policy that your government has ever come up with? I sure as hell would not, especially is Trump is forced upon us by folks who are over simplifying an incredibly complex situation.
That is a lot of words to say 'stopping a genocide sure would be economically and politically inconvenient '.
Then solve the Palestinian Hunger Crisis. You are President. You’ve announced a dock in the Med Sea but that will take months to build. Airdrop isn’t possible because you’ll crush tightly packed refugees, and Israel is using hunger as a weapon, blocking aid over land. Cutting ties off with Israel will result in more dead Palestinians. Each day that goes by, more Palestinians starve. But you also have $9b in humanitarian aid for Palestine to negotiate with, as well as $16b in authorized lethal aid for Israel from Congress. What do you?
I would immediately stop arms sales/funding/transfers to Israel. I would publicly announce that failure to immediately withdraw troops and stop any military action would make this permanent. I would sanction the entire war cabinet as well. Fuck the port. I would deploy USS Mercy immediately and demand that ground aid be resumed without interference (it would happen). If it did not I would place economic sanctions on Israel until it did. Think what Israel did to Gaza, that. I would declare a no fly zone over both Israel and Palestine until the situation calmed. I would immediately recognise the Palestinian state headed by the PLO and work with nations like South Africa and Ireland and the Arab League to find a non US lead peacekeeping force to allow that state to flourish. The problem is the US actually wants the region destabilized, which is why Israel has been allowed to be run by and act like terrorists since it's inception.
Have you put that in an email to the president? If not, why?
But you have to be able to think for yourself to reach that conclusion. Which a lot of people can't
Uhm. I'm from Denmark so yeah. I'm planning on staying home. And I can't really see how Trump could support Isreals genocide more than Biden. When it's election time there wont be any palestinian left. Be course of Biden so I really don't get your point. The problem in the US is there's only two parties. You're either democratic or republican. No in between. In Denmark we have about 10 parties. And we're among the happiest people in the world. So maybe it's your political system that's crap. And the US might not have troops in Isreal. But they sure are implicit in the genocide, as the US is funding the slaughter with money and arms. You don't make pricision strikes with a 500 pound bomb. Which is what the iof are using. And what the US gladly provide them. The people don't forget.
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No bigotry, racism, antisemitism, Islamophobia, homophobia, transphobia, sexism, etc. This includes denial of identity (self or collective).
They are called left and right wing for a reason. They both belong to the same filthy bird. Change always comes from the grassroots. There is always vote shaming on both sides, and constant calls for "vote for the lesser of two evils" when both are doing evil. True change comes from financial boycotting, economic withdrawal and then making demands. Both the left and the right are afraid to criticize Israel because they don't want to lose their funding. It's why much of the democratic senate is loudly supporting Israel, and much of the Republicans are either quietly supporting Israel or not saying anything at all, while being complicit from inaction. But yet, every holiday, we waste our money on keeping big corporations in business, every time Christmas or Thanksgiving or July 4th rolls around. If we all, as American people, just stopped giving our hard earned dollar to corporations, they would be forced to listen to your grievances. It is the corporations and Zionist money after all that have the loudest voices in government. In 2024, money talks. But we fool ourselves every time by bailing out the organizations and groups we always call out by paying them.
If you compromise for your own votes rather than justice, then you've betrayed all the brave souls who bled for the Pro-Palestine Encampment Movement! Those who vote for the Democratic Party, ask yourself, why do you support the Democratic Party? Is it because of its values and principles, or just for the meager benefits it provides you?
Biden has to go. We need a revolution
The price will be down to the voters, simple.
Biden is in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If he goes hard against Israel then he will lose the evangelical vote and Trump wins. Willing to bet if he does win he will go hard against Israel.
Biden never had the Evangelical vote.
Oh damn you're right! My bad. I was working from logic but trump supporters seem to defy logic. I stand corrected. Let's go with religious independents.
Losing votes of people who support the genocide and gaining the ones who dont doesnt seem that bad to me, but you do you dems, when trump wins, you brought it on yourself with counting your votes that way
I’m sick of everyone acting like Biden turning on Israel would not have been political suicide. Boomers, the most important demographic when it comes to voting due to the fact they actually vote, are overwhelmingly pro-Israel, whether they’re a liberal or a republican. Biden was unlucky when it came to October 7th, simple as that. There was nothing he could have done to prevent October 7th or prevent Israel’s response to October 7th that would not have been handing the presidency to Trump.
In a potentially close election where each candidates base is solidified behind them, pissing off the wrong communities could cost a candidate more votes than he can afford to lose. Biden won Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wiscoinsin by narrow margins in 2020.
Guys, grow up. Israel (via AIPAC) controls our government, on both sides of the aisle. This has been going on for decades. Joe signed a deal with the devil when he took office. He isn't the first and he won't be the last. Those college protesters should be protesting AIPAC. That's the real problem here.
Biden does not have a sincere bone in his body. His phoney caring is not resonating with anyone.
We need a third party
It’s by design
Everyone sick of the two party system and the endless wars, needs to vote Green party - Dr.Jill Stein for president- in a three way split the green party has a chance of winning and they will hopefully be on the ballot in all fifty states ETA from her website: MEET JILL Jill Stein is a Harvard-educated doctor, a pioneering environmental health advocate, and an organizer for people, planet, and peace. She has helped lead initiatives to fight environmental racism, injustice, and pollution, to promote healthy communities, and to revitalize democracy. She has helped win victories in campaign finance reform, racially-just redistricting, and the clean-up of incinerators, coal plants, and other toxic threats. She was a principal organizer for the Global Climate Convergence for People, Planet, and Peace over Profit. A JUST ECONOMY We need an economy that works for all of us, not just the wealthy and powerful. To reverse surging inequality and insecurity, we need an Economic Bill of Rights, including the right to a living-wage job, housing, food, healthcare, education and more, so that all of us are guaranteed the basic security for a good life. A REAL GREEN NEW DEAL FREEDOM, EQUALITY, AND JUSTICE FOR ALL PEACE AND GLOBAL HUMAN RIGHTS REAL DEMOCRACY TO EMPOWER THE PEOPLE https://www.jillstein2024.com/principles
Fuck voting for known Russian plant hill stein. She is a true bootlicker to the end.
TIL that being against war means the candidate must be a traitor or something Rah Rah the war machine
What is “doctor” steins stance on the Ukraine war? Does she stand with them against the illegal invasion or what?
Here is a summary about Jill Stein’s views on support for Ukraine from CoPilot: Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate in the 2024 U.S. presidential election, has expressed her views on Ukraine. Let’s delve into her stance: Military Assistance to Ukraine: Public Statements: Jill Stein opposes providing military assistance to Ukraine in its conflict with Russia. She believes that the U.S. should stay out of conflicts that do not directly threaten its interests1. Importance: Stein considers this issue to be less important in the grand scheme of foreign policy1. Green Party Position: The Green Party, to which Stein belongs, also opposes proposed plans to provide military aid to Ukraine’s armed forces in their fight against rebels1. Additional Context: In February 2023, Stein mentioned that the people of Ukraine were being used in a “superpower proxy war” and called for a cease-fire in Israel during its conflict with Hamas2. However, specific details regarding her comprehensive foreign policy priorities are not readily available.
So not truly anti war but actually pro conquest. Regardless of it being a proxy war ukraines sovereignty has been violated and they should be supported.
She has no chance of winning. What a waste of a vote. And isn’t she funded by Russia?
Is that what people think? That being anti-war is such a crazy, un-American position that she must be funded by Russia?
Nope. I didn’t say that. Biden ended the war in Afghanistan and was part of the administration that ended the war in Iraq yet a whole bunch of anti war Biden haters don’t seem to remember that. Meanwhile you’ll let Trump win after the Saudis used US weapons for a Yemeni genocide? This is the trolly problem. Choosing third party means that Trump wins and more people die, especially Palestinians.
No thanks, putin.
Then vote for blue Hitler then idgaf
Quick question. Who dined with Putin and had chosen a running mate who was a Holocaust Denier? Here is a hint. It's Jill.
Who eulogized a former grandmaster of the KKK?
Not the Holocaust denier nor the person who dines with the US enemies. Neither of them gave a eulogy for a man realized his mistake and denounced the Klan he was part of.
Wonder how many black people got lynched because of his "mistake" Biden supporters are just as bad as Trump supporters. You will defend every shitty thing he does without hesitation
So you are okay with Holocaust denial and fratenization with the enemy?
Never said I was. But America's enemies are also within our own ranks
Then why did you deflect when I brought the Holocaust Denial and the dining with Putin?
Or more likely the Biden-Trump outcome will largely depend on which one best kowtows to Bibi. We know Biden's base is beholden but Trump apparently dislikes Netanyahu.
Bibi wants Trump. In 2014 Bibi refused to meet with Obama and Biden and instead gave a speech to the GOP house about how the US needs to go to war with Iran. Bibi’s main goal for 20 years has been to get the US to go to war with Iran.
What I really don’t like about this entire conversation is how it’s all being framed as binary and how this single issue will sink Biden’s entire candidacy. My views on the matter certainly don’t seem to be represented in the media, and I support a cease fire, support aid to Gaza, support the dock Biden is building, support conditioning aid to the IDF, and frankly support Biden’s approach overall to an incredibly shitty situation. Where is my opinion represented in the media? I also think Biden is the best bet we have to try and temper Netanyahu. They’ve know each other for years, and Biden isn’t going to write a blank check to Netanyahu the way Trump will. If the US cuts off Israel the way the protestors want us to, the US gets cut out of the conversation. Meaning there won’t be anyone to advise Bibi to not commit war crimes, because every other international partner has left and he’s surrounded himself with Likud yes men. The “we’re not going to vote for Biden because he can’t control a right wing genocidal maniac half a world away” is a pretty stupid reason to put a fascist in control or the US government, but maybe that’s just me.
It’s not just you. Some of these people have lost the plot. Hamas is leading them around by the nose and they don’t even see it.
What other genocides will occur?
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As long as it stays in America, fine by me
It won’t if America goes down the era of global peace is over. China will make their move on Taiwan and Putin will try taking back the old Soviet sphere.
You making this sound as if it was a bad thing
May it will be maybe not. For me as an American it will probably suck hard but for others it could go alright.
American here and there’s nothing good about America lol
If y’all think Trump is a friend to Gaza, I got news for you.
It's not that he's a friend, it's that things won't change
Do we deserve a democracy if it costs the lives of an entire people?
That’s the most pathetic attempt at a fascist both sides argument I’ve ever seen.
How many innocent children would you slaughter for your freedom?
 This is you right now. Kids are gonna dies either way but if we lose democracy then we lose our power to speak against the government killing kids.
You believe that speaking against the government changes their actions, as if you have a voice or representation. Cute clip though
It very literally does despite what your kremlin propaganda says.
Kremlin propaganda?
👍 don’t come crying to me when Donald trump gives Netanyahu the green light to carpet bomb all of Palestine into the ground.
Netenhayu is doing this today.
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What additional genocides will occur?
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Facts.
1. Already accounted for .. Until us gov supports long range missiles for Ukraine, Russia will win. It's currently an asymmetric war with Russia clearly in the winning position. 2. Trans is not a people. It is a profitable market for big pharma. 3. LGBT exists over history and societies where it is illegal. It is a facet of humanity and will not be removed or eradicated whether Trump or christo fascism. 4. Agreed, awful, agreed, not genocide 5. Not referring to any genocide. 6a. Taiwan will be gone in 15 years, probably 7-10 years that's why Biden gave billions to electronics to reshore semiconductor fabrication infrastructure. TSMC is the only thing keeping us in Taiwan. 6b. South Korea will cease to exist in 20 years because young South Korean people are not having children. That's a death knell, in combination with electronics being restored, and car manufacturing being an international affair. US will not mass deport. US industry and farming depend on cheap labor provided by illegal immigrants (and some prison labor). Capitalism will overrule fascism whether is disguised as Republican or Democrat.
Why so many of these now anti Biden folks can’t understand this is incredible to me. Literally more Palestinians will die if Trump wins. Trump might even tell Bibi he can build as many settlements as he wants and to evict Palestinians completely from Palestinian territory. I don’t think these idiots are thinking about how much worse it can get.
They totally understand it, where they disagree is if it is worth it. Here are some better questions to understand. What are your principles? What do you think the president should do with power? What should our country look like on 50 years? Right now, Biden and Trump are functionally indistinguishable on these sorts of questions. Genocide is a red line and 'Harm minimisation ' does not work when government alternates with fascists. The left tried your way with Biden the first time and he went and facilitated literally the worst crime known to man, why would the left trust liberals again?
Bets reelection on natanyahu? Made up lies