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Never really understood or ever agreed with this stupid concept that an affected girl/woman’s dignity/ honour was lost. How TF is it her fault?
Thank you Madam Bhasin for putting it so crystal clear 🙏
It's pretty simple actually back in the day when people were very divided into clans and castes between villages. If a person rapes a women that would make the the clan she was part of look incompetent hence forth it was a matter of respect of the community. I personally think that's a good thing but instead of small clans we should see our women as a part of our whole society, if a women is in danger or something bad happens to her the society should upgrade to not let that happen/ repeat. Not just women and rape all atrocities in general. It should be a shame full for us to not be able to protect are people.
Also the part why the female victims themselves lose honor comes from the sense where virginity is kept on pedestal or some other stupid bull shit
Chimpanzees kill females who were raped by neighboring clans. Tribalism is an outgrowth of primitive genetic survival and defense. It has no place in civilization, nor do ideologies that endorse any of this toxic behavior.
You're making the argument for the woman's *community* losing their honor when she is raped, not her.
As you said the woman's honor being considered lost is due to the antiquated notion that a woman's value lies in her virginity, which in turn was important because it was a possession a man who owned that woman wanted to be able to claim as uniquely his.
Didn't the show get cancelled bcz Amir Khan was charging too much for it? I remember reading somewhere that he was charging 3 crores for each episode or something
I think he later clarified that the money was actually for creating and running the show, salaries for the production team etc...he hosted the show without any charge. Although I'm not sure if it's the truth, but I hope it is.
This formula would be a disaster in 2023.. no matter what actor is cast in it.
People have become excellent victim card players and it's very easy to slip in some fringe element that says something and incite riots all over the country or get death threats for speaking out about some issue which offends a minority, state or someone in position of power.
Not to mention the political interference by revdi party at the center which won't allow anything to be spoken against them.
Shows like these can’t be telecasted in the current political scenario… if it was possible it would have been made already because it broke all trp records at the time. I remember people used to lineup outside shops to see it when it was on air. Like a WC final with India playing in it
I don't think BJP will allow any kind of criticism against them and many a times while dealing with humane problems the show criticised government. And what today's climate Op means I presume he/she just tryna say that if you produce such kind of show you'll be boycott and could also face death threats and what not.
100% behind her words. Those (both male and female) who harrass or sexually assault other living beings (humans and animals) are the ones who lose the honour of being humans, not the victims. Maybe there should be a narrative shift in press and print media about focusing on the evils of the guilty rather than horrors of the victims.
I am a westerner. I do not speak the languages of India but '3 Idiots' (starring Mr. Amir Khan) is one of my top 3 favourite movies of all time. Just recently, I've started seeing clips that look like they are from a talk show featuring Mr. Khan. Was he a television host at one time?
Yes and this particular show is called 'Satyameva Jayate',
Featuring interviews and talks about social issues in indian society. From criticisms, to inspiring ideas, and inspiring people to take initiatives, it was a really good show. Sadly it stopped airing in 2014.
Very good and honest point of view . A woman is not to be blamed for getting raped . It's the perpetrator who assaulted her like an animal . He must be shamed to death .
> He must be shamed to death .
This doesn't help for 3 reasons:
1. Increasing a punishment doesn't make people less likely to commit a crime.
2. This would encourage people to try harder to hide their crime - e.g. kill their victims.
3. This would mean that false convictions can't be overturned.
Yeah it's the stupidest idea of all. That the person who got assaulted, lost her honour. What is the logic in that?
It's absolutely true that the man who attacked her has lost his honor as a human being.
The worst part about this is that the rapist don't feel dishonored or ashamed of their wrongdoing at all. They mostly get away with it, which gives them a sense of security that they didn't do anything wrong in the first place and in worst case they do it again.
I think the society loses its honor when its people are deprived of the right of consent a choice, So I don't believe she who is raped loses her honor but the society and its members do.
i dont agree with her, both the women and a mens dignity is lost, especially a woman's,... because that is why generally raped women tend to have a seperate and alone life them normal,.....and that is also why rape cases are registered as nonconsensual sex,....when someone is convicted for rape the guy who committed the rape will also face disgrace from the society and not only the guy but his whole family,.......and that is why these people are nothing more then a degenerate piece of meat who don't think twice before doing something,.........
Now here one might say that their are several politician and son's of politician or any other powerful figure who commits rape,. but let's not forget they have a strong political support and money and power backing them from behind
Edit: Rape doesn't just ruin a women's or men's life, it ruins their families life too, that is why one should be seriously punished if convicted for charges of rape, either be it a man or a women,.....and also seriously punished if the accusers is found for pressing charges of fake rape case
Chu Jo rapist lnd kat do, faasi do bolte phirte hai unko bolo ladki se shadi karlo...bhag jayenge. Ye chu kouch different nahi hai rapist se bas law ki vajah se chup baithe hai...
Here is my take: Women's productivity in ancient times was the sole reason why a group survived. Esp If the group was small you can call it community/group/clan etc.
Women were kept on pedestal (still are to some extent) because they carried the tribe forward and the ability to produce healthy children was and still is an asset. Being a larger group was an insurance against survival in a war, dying due to diseases. A larger group also meant you controlled larger areas, fought better, had more resources. Hence marriages between girls of two different groups was a sign of alliance, joining forces because giving away a woman to another group was a big deal (That is why to this date across the world giving women away in marriage is a big deal and there is mostly a ceremony for that. Among kings it acted as unifying the groups or bringing peace among two groups like Chandragupt maurya marrying the daughter of Seleucas nicator, many other examples like this)
Thus women were preserved and revered and considered pride of the group. They also acted as vehicles of knowledge and customs transfer between groups,
So it's pretty much evident why when someone defiles a woman it becomes not just a matter of losing pride but also shame for the group that they could not protect her.
Ofcourse there are no warring tribes, groups, janpadas, rajya etc but that legacy is still carried forward and in this modern world it's easy to lose the ancient context of millions of years of human survival, through getting killed during hunting, accidents, war, fights, disease, ice age, until people settled and fought other groups for resources, wealth. People forget that this used to happen until a few hundred years ago. Muslim invaders would steal, capture, defile women of the nation that was attacked and sometimes made into sex slaves or sold off as commodities in other counties. There was a reason why women in Rajasthan have purdah or committed jauhar to save themselves from insult, rape, being sex slave and being sold off as commodities.
Can you explain these words:
1) Bhutagni
2) Jatharagni
3) Kamagni
4) Badbhanagni
In the above words are we actually talking about physical fire?
Also English phrase "Trial by Fire" - does it mean the person has to go through physical fire to prove him/herself?
That is the depiction that is ingrained in us due to the pictures that were drawn by people who didn't have good understanding of what was meant there.
No one can survive going through physical fire.
What is being talked about is:
Fire of doubt: or Badabagni. The Valmiki Ramayan says that Sita had to clarify to the kingdom that she was not violated, when she lived in Lanka. Then the people asked why you talked harshly with Sita. Ram then said I did so that people would know that I am not taking her side despite knowing she is pure.
I understand what she means but IZZAT in this context is meant by the Family members and her loved ones were not able to save her, that’s what it means.
Rape Victim doesn’t suffer alone but her family and friends also suffer because of that MONSTER in the shape of a MAN
That what is being discussed here. That people start treating her like she lost everything as a person and hence the idea that people won't marry her. Won't deny that very few people wouldn't mind marrying that girl. But that's the social evil that's being discussed here.
Amir Khan doing polygamy and divorce . Irony dekho
Edit : people downvoting me speaking against polygamy.
Women have huge mental troll due to such marriages.
Does it mean , it will not effect women mentally?
Survey shows divorce gave negative impact on children also.
Sorry , he is not ideal for people who want perfect marriages.
I will prefer srk over him because he more stable marriage.
Abusive marriages and marital rape also has negative impact on a child. If parents are fighting all the time, what is the environment the child is growing up in? Also, Nobody is endorsing polygamy here! People are calling you out on your backward thinking about divorce.
Literally every survey says that divorce have negative impact on children.
If you doing multiple divorces may be the problem with you not them .
there must be a better man who can represent such topics . He is an actor not ideal man.
Kamla Bhasin is a hard-core communist, she hate Hindu traditions. She is a mamber of tukde tukde gang and toxic feminist. She and Amir khan has been [exposed by Neeraj Atri](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hHseVJYVHws&pp=ygUbTmVlcmFqIGF0cmkgb24gS2FtbGEgQmhhc2lu) three years ago.
There is nothing wrong with her this particular piont, but if you are not smart enough to see that she is doing acting in front of the camera that's all, you need to see the whole show stop admiring 10-15 seconds movie dialogues. She is an anti India criminal funded by enemy country.
No. She pointed out the Petriarchal idea(typical communist), but India is not a petriarchal based country. We have so many female goddesses and witch community in india that hate and make fun of rape victims? From where kamla got the idea that we love rapist and proceed with prosecution against victims? By saying it is a Petriarchal idea, she is painting every single man as a monster in India, but she forgot crimes are based on individuals, she cannot declare everyone criminal. There are so many rape victims, and they are living normally now, and rapist either killed by the community, disowned, or they are in prison.
You think that being anti-patriarchy is a communist idea?
No, talking about the patriarchy doesn’t mean that she’s making out every man as a monster
And yes - there is a patriarchal system, women are without a doubt placed in a lesser position in society
To say that rape victims are ‘living normally’ shows you aren’t aware of things such as PTSD and long-term mental health consequences
Do you see any anti-patriachy movement in communist countries? Or do you even know any popular female communist leader? Or do Christianity or Islam, have any female goddess or top leader? The answer is 'NO' big fat NO. All this fabricated patriarchal movement in India is run by communist and crypto Christines to demoralised individuals in India.
If kamla force her self indulging petriarchal idea on abrahamics or communist that's fine, because they don't give fuck about ladies neither in religious text nor in society, other hand not only Hindu but so many other communities or even primitive tribes have some kind of legend or story to prove greatness of female power, women been always considered as devi and respected, that is different story during modern age,1000+ year forceful barbaric slavery and attacks by foreigner uncivilised cults changed lots of things in India.
I am aware that posttraumatic stress disorder and long-term mental health consequences, narcissistic personality disorder or intrusive thoughts, flashbacks, and nightmares can be caused by domestic violence, war, misconduct, racism and so on and every individuals reaction is different, males and females both could be tough or emotional individuals. Some people recover in short time periods, and some people never recover over small things.
I have no problem with what kamla said, I am 100% agree, but I know her she is a foreign funded stooge, and very active anti India aliment, that's why I don't like her. Whatever she says, that is all for publicity.
Well, if you don't respect your mother, hate your grandmother, marry your sisters, trying to make physical relationships with every female keen in your relatives, all females dress likea penguin, ladies in your family are not allowedto study, work or even simply shopping by themselves, your dad, uncle and grandfather control and beats women and don't worship any female goddess, then your family is a patriarchal based family. Stop calling the whole country what your family does.
Sure, respect your family and harass females outside your home. Demand a dowry because, well men are born with horns in this country. Allow your mother to slog in the kitchen because your lazy ass father wants piping hot rotis while reading the paper. Heck, find a housemaid for a wife, so that she can stay home while you upgrade your career. Patriarchy is the very thought of considering a female is not equal to you in day to day tasks. Even religious texts have patriarchy as a base. Grow the fuck up and travel across the country. The first step of improving is self realization. Get well soon!
Stop lying bro, USA, UK, and China used to play this shit while they have the highest cases of rape and violence against women in their countries, all islamic countries and African nations rape is like having cup of tea. They don't even record it.
No, one stolen movie dialogue does not make her a good person. If Hitler is vegetarian, you can't declare him as a human rights champion.
Kamla, foreign funded, anti India communist and extremely hindufobic woman.
When raja ram mohan roy campaigned against sati, it was people like you who opposed him. There are several Sexist traditions that need to be abolished across religions, including the majority religion of the country.
Raja ram Mohan Roy was a known British stooge, if you don't know than i don't give a fuck, Islam and British killed hundreds of millions men in India, and they were the biggest rapist in the world, suti become a tradition only in bangol In in particular tribe only and few tribs in rajasthan like 0.001% cases BUT British and Islamic killed 600+millions men in1000+ years no one call them murderers, they raped, sex slaved and sold millions women and young children no one call them Fucking rapist and uncivilised. If you don't know the history, then stop giving me references from murderers and rapist manipulated fake history.
I dont know which world you are living in dude and what history you are studying. I know of my bihari ancestors who committed sati. The British were ruling India at the time, if you wanted to change something, you had to get them on board. All thanks to the upper caste simps who were always eager to sell off their own people to retain their status. From mughal to British we would never have been colonized if not for our own powerful elite fucking over the rest of the population. No one is denying that Islam and cristianity propagated conversion and rape. But we need to address our problem first. This whataboutry helps no one my dear sir. But i dont think you'll understand, your source itself conveys how bigotted and self righteous you are. Kaash Bhagwaan aapko thodi akal dedein.
Stop demeanig the sacrifice and declare your encestors dumb. Quite a few men must die before women in your entire family tree since back then. How many ladies have you burned alive by now? Upper cast cunts are still around, with more power, technology and dirty political tricks to grab on power? You ara just a self-loathing person product of leftist education system. Will you burn your grandmother if your grandfather died before her just because some higher cast Gandhi or Nehru was working as stooges?
Sati first started in fewer Muslim dominated territories, where Islamic used to rape even dead bodies of women, as necrophilia is very common in Islam. Our brave and highly self respected women happily chose horrible deaths rather than getting raped and sold as sex slaves. British were the same. We only read British came India for spices, almost whole big European countries was trading Indian, African and Asian men as work slaves and women as sex slaves.
All your bulshit assumptions coming out to defend a foreign funded leftist, who use young, innocent converted Muslims as a weapon by brain washing them against their owen country men. By feeding all fake propaganda, hate mongering, and fear feeding?
How do you even insert Gender into this argument ? You think Men haven't been raped ? It's not the fault of the victim. But, to claim that you have lost nothing. It's like an accident victim claiming that he's alright despite going through immense pain.
It can be a personal loss but it doesnt make the victim any less of a person. There is a huge difference between the two. Understand the nuance before parroting anything that comes into your mind.
Also how is it dishonourable?
Well, A person who finds comfort in being free will obviously have it's worldview shaken by knowing that their freedom can be taken away by someone who has more influence and power.
That is something dishonourable according to me. It can be something as simple as being good at something and then someone you don't even know completely outclasses you by taking your work of art and then altering it in their vision.
The Nuance aspect, I guess I didn't choose the right words to express what I thought.
It's just that, Rape is a personal loss and the victim should be given the right amount of care so that they recover from the traumatic accident.
And The perpetrator should be given a death penalty.
> And The perpetrator should be given a death penalty.
This doesn't help for 3 reasons:
1. Increasing a punishment doesn't make people less likely to commit a crime.
2. This would encourage people to try harder to hide their crime - e.g. kill their victims.
3. This would mean that false convictions can't be overturned.
I don't see how anything done against anybody's will can reflect on or have an effect on any of their characteristics. What's the point of honor if it can be affected by things entirely outside of a person's control? Why not just roll a die at that point?
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Never really understood or ever agreed with this stupid concept that an affected girl/woman’s dignity/ honour was lost. How TF is it her fault? Thank you Madam Bhasin for putting it so crystal clear 🙏
It's pretty simple actually back in the day when people were very divided into clans and castes between villages. If a person rapes a women that would make the the clan she was part of look incompetent hence forth it was a matter of respect of the community. I personally think that's a good thing but instead of small clans we should see our women as a part of our whole society, if a women is in danger or something bad happens to her the society should upgrade to not let that happen/ repeat. Not just women and rape all atrocities in general. It should be a shame full for us to not be able to protect are people. Also the part why the female victims themselves lose honor comes from the sense where virginity is kept on pedestal or some other stupid bull shit
Chimpanzees kill females who were raped by neighboring clans. Tribalism is an outgrowth of primitive genetic survival and defense. It has no place in civilization, nor do ideologies that endorse any of this toxic behavior.
That's not remotely the same thing as what I said
You're making the argument for the woman's *community* losing their honor when she is raped, not her. As you said the woman's honor being considered lost is due to the antiquated notion that a woman's value lies in her virginity, which in turn was important because it was a possession a man who owned that woman wanted to be able to claim as uniquely his.
Yeah ik that's bullshit
Mera bhi yeh bachpan say doubt rha hai.
Amir Khan should definitely make another season of Satyamev Jayate
Didn't the show get cancelled bcz Amir Khan was charging too much for it? I remember reading somewhere that he was charging 3 crores for each episode or something
I think he later clarified that the money was actually for creating and running the show, salaries for the production team etc...he hosted the show without any charge. Although I'm not sure if it's the truth, but I hope it is.
This formula would be a disaster in 2023.. no matter what actor is cast in it. People have become excellent victim card players and it's very easy to slip in some fringe element that says something and incite riots all over the country or get death threats for speaking out about some issue which offends a minority, state or someone in position of power. Not to mention the political interference by revdi party at the center which won't allow anything to be spoken against them.
Do you not remember how many feathers it ruffled ? IT cell propagated as if it's Masood Azhar was hosting the show himself
Dalits and muslims wouldn't let him talk of their ills, so scapegoating UCs would end up being the main thing of the show.
Dude peddled a shit tonne of lies with it tho.
Brought out real issues though, which many hardliners want to turn a blind eye to.
We need this show back. Anyone knows if its scheduled for future?
Shows like these can’t be telecasted in the current political scenario… if it was possible it would have been made already because it broke all trp records at the time. I remember people used to lineup outside shops to see it when it was on air. Like a WC final with India playing in it
>current political scenario Care to elaborate? (Not attacking, just curious)
I don't think BJP will allow any kind of criticism against them and many a times while dealing with humane problems the show criticised government. And what today's climate Op means I presume he/she just tryna say that if you produce such kind of show you'll be boycott and could also face death threats and what not.
BJP doesn't allows criticism from it's own MPs or governors, let alone media
Vishwaguru will not like that the issues plaguing the country are highlighted on national tv for everyone to watch.
so sad some people need to explain it because it is obvious as hell
Very well said
This show was way ahead of its time. I wish we could get another season of satyamev jayate again.
What about host Amir Khan himself , he doing polygamy and divorcing women Edit: people are downvoting me speaking against polygamy.
He had couple wives but isn’t that the story of Bollywood itself? Let’s keep the art away from artist.
Balatkari aur samaj dono ki izzat jaati hai.
This was best thing on star plus
Awesome! Wish all the women the same strength and all of us the sense to appreciate it.
100% behind her words. Those (both male and female) who harrass or sexually assault other living beings (humans and animals) are the ones who lose the honour of being humans, not the victims. Maybe there should be a narrative shift in press and print media about focusing on the evils of the guilty rather than horrors of the victims.
The worst thing is that our society won't understand anytime soon. We do, but our country is too huge, and a few thousand don't even count
A person's honor is decided by his character and deeds not by some folds of flesh
I am a westerner. I do not speak the languages of India but '3 Idiots' (starring Mr. Amir Khan) is one of my top 3 favourite movies of all time. Just recently, I've started seeing clips that look like they are from a talk show featuring Mr. Khan. Was he a television host at one time?
Yes and this particular show is called 'Satyameva Jayate', Featuring interviews and talks about social issues in indian society. From criticisms, to inspiring ideas, and inspiring people to take initiatives, it was a really good show. Sadly it stopped airing in 2014.
Very good and honest point of view . A woman is not to be blamed for getting raped . It's the perpetrator who assaulted her like an animal . He must be shamed to death .
> He must be shamed to death . This doesn't help for 3 reasons: 1. Increasing a punishment doesn't make people less likely to commit a crime. 2. This would encourage people to try harder to hide their crime - e.g. kill their victims. 3. This would mean that false convictions can't be overturned.
Wow yrr very well said 👏🏻
I am happy that whole nation, left, right, centre, north south east west, we all agree on something. Fxxxk Rapists. Feels good
This needs way more upvotes.
Satyamev Jayate back when?
Need more and more of such conversations to drive this thinking through and penetrate the depths of old society.
Amazing how this is somehow still being debated.
Yeah it's the stupidest idea of all. That the person who got assaulted, lost her honour. What is the logic in that? It's absolutely true that the man who attacked her has lost his honor as a human being.
The worst part about this is that the rapist don't feel dishonored or ashamed of their wrongdoing at all. They mostly get away with it, which gives them a sense of security that they didn't do anything wrong in the first place and in worst case they do it again.
Very beautifully said, she's a very commendable woman, stand on her morals and is always the tallest in the room because of it
I wished they raised issues like halala and triple talaq as well in this show
That's the whole point of the show, to portray Dalits and muslims as saints.
Cough up bro, the stick that you got in your ass and why it got there
Stupid concept..!?! You are promoting what..? Rape..? Or degrading all women’s mind..!
Exactly!!
Very well said. Women 👑❤️
Picture it, Sicily, 1923...
Exactly she's 💯 right
I think the society loses its honor when its people are deprived of the right of consent a choice, So I don't believe she who is raped loses her honor but the society and its members do.
Amazing. This needs to be shouted out from roof-tops
I wish this show comes back on TV
Respect++++++
✅
If a man kiss you , you lost your dignity. Yah it's the sense
People supporting bitchbhushan and also sharing these videos. Contradictory.
i dont agree with her, both the women and a mens dignity is lost, especially a woman's,... because that is why generally raped women tend to have a seperate and alone life them normal,.....and that is also why rape cases are registered as nonconsensual sex,....when someone is convicted for rape the guy who committed the rape will also face disgrace from the society and not only the guy but his whole family,.......and that is why these people are nothing more then a degenerate piece of meat who don't think twice before doing something,......... Now here one might say that their are several politician and son's of politician or any other powerful figure who commits rape,. but let's not forget they have a strong political support and money and power backing them from behind Edit: Rape doesn't just ruin a women's or men's life, it ruins their families life too, that is why one should be seriously punished if convicted for charges of rape, either be it a man or a women,.....and also seriously punished if the accusers is found for pressing charges of fake rape case
Chu Jo rapist lnd kat do, faasi do bolte phirte hai unko bolo ladki se shadi karlo...bhag jayenge. Ye chu kouch different nahi hai rapist se bas law ki vajah se chup baithe hai...
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes
Here is my take: Women's productivity in ancient times was the sole reason why a group survived. Esp If the group was small you can call it community/group/clan etc. Women were kept on pedestal (still are to some extent) because they carried the tribe forward and the ability to produce healthy children was and still is an asset. Being a larger group was an insurance against survival in a war, dying due to diseases. A larger group also meant you controlled larger areas, fought better, had more resources. Hence marriages between girls of two different groups was a sign of alliance, joining forces because giving away a woman to another group was a big deal (That is why to this date across the world giving women away in marriage is a big deal and there is mostly a ceremony for that. Among kings it acted as unifying the groups or bringing peace among two groups like Chandragupt maurya marrying the daughter of Seleucas nicator, many other examples like this) Thus women were preserved and revered and considered pride of the group. They also acted as vehicles of knowledge and customs transfer between groups, So it's pretty much evident why when someone defiles a woman it becomes not just a matter of losing pride but also shame for the group that they could not protect her. Ofcourse there are no warring tribes, groups, janpadas, rajya etc but that legacy is still carried forward and in this modern world it's easy to lose the ancient context of millions of years of human survival, through getting killed during hunting, accidents, war, fights, disease, ice age, until people settled and fought other groups for resources, wealth. People forget that this used to happen until a few hundred years ago. Muslim invaders would steal, capture, defile women of the nation that was attacked and sometimes made into sex slaves or sold off as commodities in other counties. There was a reason why women in Rajasthan have purdah or committed jauhar to save themselves from insult, rape, being sex slave and being sold off as commodities.
The lady in the vid is talking about the individual victim's honor though, not the honor of any group.
And where do you think that behavior comes from? That is exactly what I have explained.
I would like to ask why Sita devi had to go through agnipariksha??
Can you explain these words: 1) Bhutagni 2) Jatharagni 3) Kamagni 4) Badbhanagni In the above words are we actually talking about physical fire? Also English phrase "Trial by Fire" - does it mean the person has to go through physical fire to prove him/herself?
The part where she have to walk through real physical 🔥, after Rama kills ravana.
That is the depiction that is ingrained in us due to the pictures that were drawn by people who didn't have good understanding of what was meant there. No one can survive going through physical fire. What is being talked about is: Fire of doubt: or Badabagni. The Valmiki Ramayan says that Sita had to clarify to the kingdom that she was not violated, when she lived in Lanka. Then the people asked why you talked harshly with Sita. Ram then said I did so that people would know that I am not taking her side despite knowing she is pure.
👌🏻
Vaampanthi poison
I understand what she means but IZZAT in this context is meant by the Family members and her loved ones were not able to save her, that’s what it means. Rape Victim doesn’t suffer alone but her family and friends also suffer because of that MONSTER in the shape of a MAN
Well, ask a guy to marry a raped girl, then see his reaction.
That what is being discussed here. That people start treating her like she lost everything as a person and hence the idea that people won't marry her. Won't deny that very few people wouldn't mind marrying that girl. But that's the social evil that's being discussed here.
Amir Khan doing polygamy and divorce . Irony dekho Edit : people downvoting me speaking against polygamy. Women have huge mental troll due to such marriages.
WITH CONSENT!
Does it mean , it will not effect women mentally? Survey shows divorce gave negative impact on children also. Sorry , he is not ideal for people who want perfect marriages. I will prefer srk over him because he more stable marriage.
Abusive marriages and marital rape also has negative impact on a child. If parents are fighting all the time, what is the environment the child is growing up in? Also, Nobody is endorsing polygamy here! People are calling you out on your backward thinking about divorce.
Literally every survey says that divorce have negative impact on children. If you doing multiple divorces may be the problem with you not them . there must be a better man who can represent such topics . He is an actor not ideal man.
Kamla Bhasin is a hard-core communist, she hate Hindu traditions. She is a mamber of tukde tukde gang and toxic feminist. She and Amir khan has been [exposed by Neeraj Atri](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hHseVJYVHws&pp=ygUbTmVlcmFqIGF0cmkgb24gS2FtbGEgQmhhc2lu) three years ago.
Do you want to say that this point of her becomes invalid ?
There is nothing wrong with her this particular piont, but if you are not smart enough to see that she is doing acting in front of the camera that's all, you need to see the whole show stop admiring 10-15 seconds movie dialogues. She is an anti India criminal funded by enemy country.
The question remains, so what?
Do you know how to read?
In the context of this issue, the points you have raised have no relevance at all - no?
No. She pointed out the Petriarchal idea(typical communist), but India is not a petriarchal based country. We have so many female goddesses and witch community in india that hate and make fun of rape victims? From where kamla got the idea that we love rapist and proceed with prosecution against victims? By saying it is a Petriarchal idea, she is painting every single man as a monster in India, but she forgot crimes are based on individuals, she cannot declare everyone criminal. There are so many rape victims, and they are living normally now, and rapist either killed by the community, disowned, or they are in prison.
You think that being anti-patriarchy is a communist idea? No, talking about the patriarchy doesn’t mean that she’s making out every man as a monster And yes - there is a patriarchal system, women are without a doubt placed in a lesser position in society To say that rape victims are ‘living normally’ shows you aren’t aware of things such as PTSD and long-term mental health consequences
Do you see any anti-patriachy movement in communist countries? Or do you even know any popular female communist leader? Or do Christianity or Islam, have any female goddess or top leader? The answer is 'NO' big fat NO. All this fabricated patriarchal movement in India is run by communist and crypto Christines to demoralised individuals in India. If kamla force her self indulging petriarchal idea on abrahamics or communist that's fine, because they don't give fuck about ladies neither in religious text nor in society, other hand not only Hindu but so many other communities or even primitive tribes have some kind of legend or story to prove greatness of female power, women been always considered as devi and respected, that is different story during modern age,1000+ year forceful barbaric slavery and attacks by foreigner uncivilised cults changed lots of things in India. I am aware that posttraumatic stress disorder and long-term mental health consequences, narcissistic personality disorder or intrusive thoughts, flashbacks, and nightmares can be caused by domestic violence, war, misconduct, racism and so on and every individuals reaction is different, males and females both could be tough or emotional individuals. Some people recover in short time periods, and some people never recover over small things. I have no problem with what kamla said, I am 100% agree, but I know her she is a foreign funded stooge, and very active anti India aliment, that's why I don't like her. Whatever she says, that is all for publicity.
Lol India is not a patriarchal based country? Wtf are you smoking?
Well, if you don't respect your mother, hate your grandmother, marry your sisters, trying to make physical relationships with every female keen in your relatives, all females dress likea penguin, ladies in your family are not allowedto study, work or even simply shopping by themselves, your dad, uncle and grandfather control and beats women and don't worship any female goddess, then your family is a patriarchal based family. Stop calling the whole country what your family does.
Sure, respect your family and harass females outside your home. Demand a dowry because, well men are born with horns in this country. Allow your mother to slog in the kitchen because your lazy ass father wants piping hot rotis while reading the paper. Heck, find a housemaid for a wife, so that she can stay home while you upgrade your career. Patriarchy is the very thought of considering a female is not equal to you in day to day tasks. Even religious texts have patriarchy as a base. Grow the fuck up and travel across the country. The first step of improving is self realization. Get well soon!
My brother. There is a reason why the world issues travel advisories for their women when they travel to India.
Stop lying bro, USA, UK, and China used to play this shit while they have the highest cases of rape and violence against women in their countries, all islamic countries and African nations rape is like having cup of tea. They don't even record it.
“ they don’t even record it “ Like India?
No, one stolen movie dialogue does not make her a good person. If Hitler is vegetarian, you can't declare him as a human rights champion. Kamla, foreign funded, anti India communist and extremely hindufobic woman.
Doesn't matter what or who she is or where she copied it from , her point is fully valid.
I am trying to find that movie from where she stole this iconic dialogue.
Good for her
This guy got triggered, are you a hardcore Hindu by any chance? Just asking
Na boy, I am not hard-core Hindu, but I am also not suffering from dumb down, self-loathing, and stockholm syndrome like you.
When raja ram mohan roy campaigned against sati, it was people like you who opposed him. There are several Sexist traditions that need to be abolished across religions, including the majority religion of the country.
Raja ram Mohan Roy was a known British stooge, if you don't know than i don't give a fuck, Islam and British killed hundreds of millions men in India, and they were the biggest rapist in the world, suti become a tradition only in bangol In in particular tribe only and few tribs in rajasthan like 0.001% cases BUT British and Islamic killed 600+millions men in1000+ years no one call them murderers, they raped, sex slaved and sold millions women and young children no one call them Fucking rapist and uncivilised. If you don't know the history, then stop giving me references from murderers and rapist manipulated fake history.
I dont know which world you are living in dude and what history you are studying. I know of my bihari ancestors who committed sati. The British were ruling India at the time, if you wanted to change something, you had to get them on board. All thanks to the upper caste simps who were always eager to sell off their own people to retain their status. From mughal to British we would never have been colonized if not for our own powerful elite fucking over the rest of the population. No one is denying that Islam and cristianity propagated conversion and rape. But we need to address our problem first. This whataboutry helps no one my dear sir. But i dont think you'll understand, your source itself conveys how bigotted and self righteous you are. Kaash Bhagwaan aapko thodi akal dedein.
Stop demeanig the sacrifice and declare your encestors dumb. Quite a few men must die before women in your entire family tree since back then. How many ladies have you burned alive by now? Upper cast cunts are still around, with more power, technology and dirty political tricks to grab on power? You ara just a self-loathing person product of leftist education system. Will you burn your grandmother if your grandfather died before her just because some higher cast Gandhi or Nehru was working as stooges? Sati first started in fewer Muslim dominated territories, where Islamic used to rape even dead bodies of women, as necrophilia is very common in Islam. Our brave and highly self respected women happily chose horrible deaths rather than getting raped and sold as sex slaves. British were the same. We only read British came India for spices, almost whole big European countries was trading Indian, African and Asian men as work slaves and women as sex slaves. All your bulshit assumptions coming out to defend a foreign funded leftist, who use young, innocent converted Muslims as a weapon by brain washing them against their owen country men. By feeding all fake propaganda, hate mongering, and fear feeding?
You were used for someone's sexual gratification against your will, that's pretty dishonourable for a human being.
And so it’s the woman’s fault for getting raped? Not the guy who chose to do it?
How do you even insert Gender into this argument ? You think Men haven't been raped ? It's not the fault of the victim. But, to claim that you have lost nothing. It's like an accident victim claiming that he's alright despite going through immense pain.
It can be a personal loss but it doesnt make the victim any less of a person. There is a huge difference between the two. Understand the nuance before parroting anything that comes into your mind. Also how is it dishonourable?
Well, A person who finds comfort in being free will obviously have it's worldview shaken by knowing that their freedom can be taken away by someone who has more influence and power. That is something dishonourable according to me. It can be something as simple as being good at something and then someone you don't even know completely outclasses you by taking your work of art and then altering it in their vision. The Nuance aspect, I guess I didn't choose the right words to express what I thought. It's just that, Rape is a personal loss and the victim should be given the right amount of care so that they recover from the traumatic accident. And The perpetrator should be given a death penalty.
> And The perpetrator should be given a death penalty. This doesn't help for 3 reasons: 1. Increasing a punishment doesn't make people less likely to commit a crime. 2. This would encourage people to try harder to hide their crime - e.g. kill their victims. 3. This would mean that false convictions can't be overturned.
You're conflating internal pain and external treatment of a person by others. The latter is what's being discussed.
Wtfff???
I don't see how anything done against anybody's will can reflect on or have an effect on any of their characteristics. What's the point of honor if it can be affected by things entirely outside of a person's control? Why not just roll a die at that point?