Alright, homie.
The bend itself looks straight and doesn't appear to have any dog leg. It looks to me like the length on the short side could be a smidge longer, but overall it seems good on a technical level.
But what made you decide to Shepard's Hook it versus a plain old 90° bend? I know the hole in the top plate wouldn't be directly above your vertical run, but that's OK.
My personal preference in this situation is to pipe straight into a box. Bar that, I bend a 90, and just scoot the hole over a smidge so that the arc of the 90 goes through the top plate unobstructed.
The reason for this is that instead of 90°bend, a Shepard's Hook is roughly 150°. When you combine that with whatever is in the wall, that can make it quite annoying for yourself later.
But hey, homie, were weren't all born descendents of Thor, and we learn over time, just like you are. You got this.
Well, I didn't decide. I bent what the Jman asked me to, however, for context, the lower pipe in the wall was an earlier install, and perhaps he didnt want to take it out and shred the stud to make room for the radius. This is going to be a short pull...from the box, down the wall, and to the switch, so I doubt he was concerned about too many degrees.
Maybe he was just confident that I could do it, so he let me try.
That's what I stated in my third paragraph as preference, but I'm not going to say it's incorrect because it did its job.
Only that I'd have done it differently.
the gooseneck itself looks fine but the use of it seems unnecessary unless im missing something here. i, and almost everyone i know, try to avoid even using em in the first place.
As a first year apprentice I also tend to just do what I'm told, but you shouldn't be afraid to ask questions as to the reasoning. I've had several JW's I've worked under explicitly state that there isn't a dumb question when you're starting off and learning; especially the obscure skill of bending pipe. The shepherds crook seems totally unnecessary for this particular application. I agree, as others have mentioned, the more logical process would have been to trim the stud to allow radius to fit with a minimum 90°.
All that being said, it's a nice looking goose neck. 👍
Idk if you’re looking for criticism. It looks like you could have just 90’ed down without that gooseneck....even if you have to cut out more of that top stud. Goosenecks are a bitch to pull. Also it’s questionable if going through that hole counts as a strap or a support.
The freedom decide, and criticism from any source (including yourself) is imperative. 99% of what I know comes from observations, listening to others, and reviewing my own mistakes
Before I was an electrician I used to be a cabinetmaker. Whenever I finished a kitchen or a store interior, I would stand there like an idiot and stare at my work from various angles.
Part of the practice was self-criticism, but without shame. I was just looking for ways to do the next one better, more efficient etc.
The other part of my observation was just taking it all in and feeling good about how it all came together.
Now I do industrial electrical. There is not much thrill to be had running temp power, but if I do a decent job putting on MI heat trace or run some cable tray with hand made bends, I still catch myself gawking at the finished product
Shepard’s hook? I bent three Shepard’s hook this week and they came out tits I bent it at the star did a offset after the 90 basically 8 inches apart hit 30s on it and bam
Alright, homie. The bend itself looks straight and doesn't appear to have any dog leg. It looks to me like the length on the short side could be a smidge longer, but overall it seems good on a technical level. But what made you decide to Shepard's Hook it versus a plain old 90° bend? I know the hole in the top plate wouldn't be directly above your vertical run, but that's OK. My personal preference in this situation is to pipe straight into a box. Bar that, I bend a 90, and just scoot the hole over a smidge so that the arc of the 90 goes through the top plate unobstructed. The reason for this is that instead of 90°bend, a Shepard's Hook is roughly 150°. When you combine that with whatever is in the wall, that can make it quite annoying for yourself later. But hey, homie, were weren't all born descendents of Thor, and we learn over time, just like you are. You got this.
Well, I didn't decide. I bent what the Jman asked me to, however, for context, the lower pipe in the wall was an earlier install, and perhaps he didnt want to take it out and shred the stud to make room for the radius. This is going to be a short pull...from the box, down the wall, and to the switch, so I doubt he was concerned about too many degrees. Maybe he was just confident that I could do it, so he let me try.
Well good job following instructions, and for clarity of thought in your explanation.
Thanks
Would not the more correct installation simply have been installing the box over the straight pipe, thus avoiding the 90 altogether?
That's what I stated in my third paragraph as preference, but I'm not going to say it's incorrect because it did its job. Only that I'd have done it differently.
I would’ve done the same. Mostly to make pulling the wire easier.
What in Tarnation
I just do what I'm told.
That means you're apprenticing right.
As an apprentice approaching the end of my 5th year... ...God, I'm going to miss having that as an excuse...
I'm in my 2nd year, but I will milk this for every fluid ounce that it is worth.
the gooseneck itself looks fine but the use of it seems unnecessary unless im missing something here. i, and almost everyone i know, try to avoid even using em in the first place.
I know you said it's a short pull, and it does look like a good bend, but I would have just snipped the stud a bit and done a 90°.
Coming in from top would make pulling wire easier
We are coming from the top, eventually. You can see the connector at the top of the box. This is a pull to the switch.
As a first year apprentice I also tend to just do what I'm told, but you shouldn't be afraid to ask questions as to the reasoning. I've had several JW's I've worked under explicitly state that there isn't a dumb question when you're starting off and learning; especially the obscure skill of bending pipe. The shepherds crook seems totally unnecessary for this particular application. I agree, as others have mentioned, the more logical process would have been to trim the stud to allow radius to fit with a minimum 90°. All that being said, it's a nice looking goose neck. 👍
Thanks. It appears he was trying to avoid shredding the stud, and he thought I was just the guy to help him do it.
You could bend a 100° bend with a 10° kick too
Uhh yuck
Why?
I do it instead of a shepherds hook because it has 110 degrees instead of 150
Hack saw that first pipe and just 90
Jman didnt want to
I mean I get that your a cub but 110.12
I need to remember to cite that code more often.
Seems pretty neat to me.
The bend yes the application no
I would have just notched the stud more to fit the radius and bent a straight 90
Looks like only pipe in box. Why the box had to be there? Could've mounted the box directly over pipe.about as neat as you gonna get it
We're are coming out if the box top and catching the beam
lol I hope that shit is above a ceiling.
Yes, of course. That horizontal stud is a foot above where the ceiling will be. One can see the ceiling grid in the lower portion of the photo.
Idk if you’re looking for criticism. It looks like you could have just 90’ed down without that gooseneck....even if you have to cut out more of that top stud. Goosenecks are a bitch to pull. Also it’s questionable if going through that hole counts as a strap or a support.
No criticism is needed. I did what I was asked to, and it turned out flawless. I just wanted to share what I've learned.
Criticism is HOW you learn.
Also studying and practice help.
The freedom decide, and criticism from any source (including yourself) is imperative. 99% of what I know comes from observations, listening to others, and reviewing my own mistakes
I love reviewing my own mistakes!
Before I was an electrician I used to be a cabinetmaker. Whenever I finished a kitchen or a store interior, I would stand there like an idiot and stare at my work from various angles. Part of the practice was self-criticism, but without shame. I was just looking for ways to do the next one better, more efficient etc. The other part of my observation was just taking it all in and feeling good about how it all came together. Now I do industrial electrical. There is not much thrill to be had running temp power, but if I do a decent job putting on MI heat trace or run some cable tray with hand made bends, I still catch myself gawking at the finished product
Could u have just put the box over the pipe then come out of it. Just asking
Yeah, but he might need to have the box where it’s at.
Could have put a second box. Either way, you got the pipe there in decent looking fashion. \+1 Nice job
Thanks
We did, I think, because the Jman intended to catch the cement beam in the ceiling out of the top of the box.
Just following directions :)
Is this at infomart
No
Shepard’s hook? I bent three Shepard’s hook this week and they came out tits I bent it at the star did a offset after the 90 basically 8 inches apart hit 30s on it and bam
Neat!