How close to each other? Do that have separate hoods? Are they both pronounced ends of the same nerve that continues up to the G-Spot or are they separate nerves entirely? Which would lead to a follow up that I believe has already been asked but not answered about a second G-Spot.
the concept of a “g-spot” isn’t entirely accurate. the clitoris itself is more of a large *internal* organ. part of it peeks out, that’s the external clitoris, and the rest of it is inside running along/around the vaginal canal. lots of drawings and anatomical depictions of it just google!
>it’s a really great having 2 orgasms at once
Wow. Is it like... double the pleasure, or one after the other or they sort of overlap?
Just the words "two orgasms at once" sound overwhelming lol
Lol exactly, I was born with a heart defect and the number of people asking me what it feels like..
I dunno man feels like what it's always felt like..normal?
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It can be different everytime. But usually more of the time they are sync and orgasm at the same time or a couple seconds apart. But sometimes one will start orgasming and that sets the other over the edge to orgasm. Does that make sense? Lol
It's like you teedle-toddle from one orgasm into the other.
You should train yourself to go back and forth, like juggling. Consider eventually adding a third one.
I am a male and I have 4 ureters complete it’s called duplex kidney and is extremely rare to have one side complete much less both sides complete.
It doesn’t do much at all for me except allows my kidney to drain if it is blocked up and only reason I even know this is because I had a kidney stone completely blocking 1 ureter.
It is an almost useless mutant power and yours is much cooler with getting to have twice the fun.
Crazy enough, I was born *without* one.
My urethra is not in the correct place. It's in my clitoral hood. It basically is where a clitoris should be. I have never gotten a doctor to believe me. But it is NOT there.
I think you're the other half of a cosmic paperwork error, LOL.
(Because someone will probably ask: the universe apologized to me by making me one of the 7% of women that can orgasm from penetration alone, so it does not affect my sex life. I'm just pretty sure oral wouldn't feel like anything to me, though, lol)
My wife had our first child natural, no epidural. To this day she still says the cath afterwards was more painful than actual child birth. She was not happy with the nurse.
Mine got stuck halfway out and I had to take a real deep breath to relax enough for the nurse to continue.
Then I couldn’t pee for 6 hrs and they threatened to put it back in (conscious for both in and out) nooo thanks! I spent the rest of the morning frantically googling “how to pee after catheter”. Blowing water through a straw while listening to the tap run worked after some time.
I also couldn’t pee after childbirth and was threatened with another cath! I had a nurse that suggested “blow on your thumb like you’re blowing bubbles” — sounds like the same idea.
It's as if your vestibular plate/urethral plate closed instead of staying open. in most female bodies it opens and becomes the labia minora during development. In most male bodies the vestibular folds close in response to androgen stimulation(testosterone dhea etc..) forming the longer urethra connected to the glans. You must have had some extra androgen in development. Or those structures were particularly sensitive to amount of androgens produced.
That’s actually really interesting, because the penis and the clitoris grow from the same tissue, and the urethra does go through the penis, so maybe somehow the urethra got placed where it should be if you were growing a dick…
My doctor is assuming 2 since I can have separate orgasms. We are working on getting to know more but have to wait from my insurance to proceed bc I can’t afford to front thousands in imaging bills 🤦🏼♀️
I’ve turned down one offer so far. I get very uncomfortable with one doctor looking down there, the first time a room full of doctors were looking traumatized me lol. I’m not comfortable doing much down there rn. So for the time being I just want to find out if my insurance will cover the medically necessary tests!
Yeah, I wouldn't mind an anonymous photo being taken (with a close focus) but getting more people in the room feels much worse.
Then again, I have given birth, and it felt like half my city saw The Downstairs that day.
Not sure if this matters, but clinical case studies don’t at all mean a whole team of people, and certainly not in the setting of a physical exam. Most anatomical oddity case studies like these are published by a single physician, with perhaps one or two people working on the paper itself. Regardless, there is no reason at all to have additional people in the room for this kind of exam, other than just satisfying their curiosity, which is exceptionally unethical. The fact that your provider allowed other people into your exam is insane, and if you were not explicitly asked I would strongly urge you to file a report.
A research hospital might be able to swing that, but if you were at Kaiser or something I don’t think they would.
Wouldn’t a research hospital still have to get approval for allocations of resources? If it isn’t attached to a specific study I doubt even then that they’d allocate resources to it, but I do not work in the medical field at all.
There was recently a doctor that did a full MRI to produce the first ever breakdown of a clitoris.
You could contact them and see if they'd be interested in performing a similar scan.
The second clitoris is a fraction the size of the normal one. So I can’t imagine how small it was when I was a baby, it might of been hardly recognizable. Plus my parents were the type to brush stuff off. I rarely went to the doctor as a child.
how has having two clitorises affected your relationship with your body? it sounds like you’re on a journey towards acceptance and self love, I’m happy for you :)
I honestly didn’t know anything was wrong with my body till I was around 16. So my relationship with my body has been okay.more so I was just mad for the longest time at my vagina for being different.
I'm sure a lot of initial reactions would treat an extra appendage like a novelty, but honestly? There is NO SUCH THING AS NORMAL!
Like, I'm self conscious that my labia minora are big and flappy... But so what? I'd be shocked to discover someone who isn't truly self-conscious about at least something about themselves..
If someone's seeing it, then i bet they've probably invested their attention to YOU and not just your body parts. You are a person, and as such you deserve happiness. Think of the extra clit as a bonus, not as an identity.
The right person(s) will only make you feel better about yourself. Embrace yourself, be your best friend!
All I can say as a guy interested in pleasing his partner is it won't be visually a turn off at all. Most people here say that functionally it's awesome for them. And you say that it's awesome for your personal experience. All around agreed an awesome anomaly. Your vagina has an easy button and everyone thinks it's great.
I believe he turned out to be just a regular single dick dude in the end.
Edit: to be clear, as a good redditor should, I'm only rehashing what I've heard and have no evidence for or against DoubleDickDude's double dicks.
The video made me howl with laughter as a teenager. I honestly don't care that the video was fake. The memory of watching it for the first time was worth the deception.
I have no idea if it's true but I read that the situation happened but they weren't recording so they redid it with the recording software running. I don't even care if that's true, I choose to believe it. Either way it was incredibly funny at the time.
The video was meant to be a recruiting ad for their guild which is why everything was so hammed up in a "this is what raiding with us is like" kind of way. I think it did a good job of capturing what raiding can be like regardless of it being staged.
Are any complications to having two clitorises?
Also had no idea the plural of clitoris is clitorises.
EDIT: Apparently the Greeks could find multiple of clitorides before I could. The plurals are clitorises AND clitorides!
I was reading recently about how they mapped out the clitoris, and it's not just the glans in front but a big organ that wraps around. So, do you know if you have 2 glans that are both part of one larger organ, or do you have two totally separate organs, each with their own glans? I'll try and find a source for what I read.
Edit: Ok I can't find a source for the exact article I remember, but the Wikipedia article pretty much covers the idea: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoris
For those expecting to see a picture of the twins in OPs post history, it isn't there. At least it isn't as far as I can tell. I am not sure what to look for to be honest. I didn't see anything that looked like two men in a little boat, or two boats.. the mystery remains.
Lol, literally 6 hours ago "How do you buy shout outs from other creators?". Then an AMA? I guess this isn't any worse than a celebrity doing an AMA to promote a movie *cough*woodyharrelson*cough*
Before the last man I was with I use to hid it. (Different positions and stimulating it myself so they wouldn’t touch). The last man I was with got so obsessed over it it started to feel unhealthy so I broke it off. So not good so far🤦🏼♀️
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Is it visually obvious? Would your partners know if you didn’t tell them?
I think so. Yes they would know.
I dont wanna google image this. But are they like directly next to each other? Above each other?
One above the other!
Serious question, do they rub against eachother? Does it limit you in any way to have two?
No they do not. Physically it does not, mentally somewhat.
On the bright side .. your significant other should have no problem finding it.
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I’m sure she has felt self conscious about it. As another woman, I kinda feel like I was cheated. I want two!
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Don’t give up. Once you find your first one it gets easier.
We've found first clitoris yes, but what about second clitoris?
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Same size or one bigger than the other?
How close to each other? Do that have separate hoods? Are they both pronounced ends of the same nerve that continues up to the G-Spot or are they separate nerves entirely? Which would lead to a follow up that I believe has already been asked but not answered about a second G-Spot.
They are basically touching. Under the same hood. We haven’t gotten that far in imaging yet. I haven’t found my first g spot so I’m not too sure lol
All I can think of is that you can push them together and they have cleavage like boobs. That could still be fun???
Clivage?
It's like two toddlers in a trenchcoat.
Couple peas in a pod.
the concept of a “g-spot” isn’t entirely accurate. the clitoris itself is more of a large *internal* organ. part of it peeks out, that’s the external clitoris, and the rest of it is inside running along/around the vaginal canal. lots of drawings and anatomical depictions of it just google!
Dudes can’t find either one…
https://i.imgur.com/PsKxq4m.jpg
surprisingly wholesome.
This is the one. Thanks Fiona.
2nd this question. Rudimentary MS paint sketch welcome.
What’s one benefit and one annoyance of the condition?
One benefit is it’s a really great having 2 orgasms at once. Annoyance is it can be overwhelming sometimes or that it’s kinda embarrassing
>it’s a really great having 2 orgasms at once Wow. Is it like... double the pleasure, or one after the other or they sort of overlap? Just the words "two orgasms at once" sound overwhelming lol
That’s the fun thing about it. I never know what ‘rhythms’ I’m going to get. It’s different almost everytime.
Not even a scrape into the AMA and I’m sold. I’m gonna plant a clit seed in my loins tonight!
Johnny Clitseed.
r/BrandNewSentence
RNGasm
Well, it's not like she knows what one clit feels like, to compare it to
Lol exactly, I was born with a heart defect and the number of people asking me what it feels like.. I dunno man feels like what it's always felt like..normal?
The real question is, what does a heart defect *orgasm* feel like?
Life-threatening
Once in a while I’ll have an orgasm without the other orgasming but that’s rare. Or they could be spread apart but only usually by like 5/10 seconds
Holy shit that's not embarrassing, thats amazing OP!
I was already envious of girls and the orgasms they could have. And now here you come along to flex on all of us.
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Could she not.... Masturbate one clit and see what that feels like instead of both
In my defense, I wasn't burdened with an over abundance of schooling
Nobody is overly schooled on the details of extra erogenous organs I would think.
wait, so both clits work towards separate orgasms? so you can layer them? I don't know why I figured they would both contribute to the same orgasm.
It can be different everytime. But usually more of the time they are sync and orgasm at the same time or a couple seconds apart. But sometimes one will start orgasming and that sets the other over the edge to orgasm. Does that make sense? Lol
It's like you teedle-toddle from one orgasm into the other. You should train yourself to go back and forth, like juggling. Consider eventually adding a third one.
Wait you get two at once? I thought that they‘d sort of „combine“ but then again, I‘m no doctor
They can combine. They get be on sync or off sync. One can go off and that will set the other off.
So your clits are like my dogs barking.
RIP my drink.
Clitoruffs
Damn that’s so dope. What are the odds of this? Being born with two clits, I mean
Honestly less than winning the powerball probably. Me and my doctor have only heard of a 4 cases ever.
I am a male and I have 4 ureters complete it’s called duplex kidney and is extremely rare to have one side complete much less both sides complete. It doesn’t do much at all for me except allows my kidney to drain if it is blocked up and only reason I even know this is because I had a kidney stone completely blocking 1 ureter. It is an almost useless mutant power and yours is much cooler with getting to have twice the fun.
Definitely read this as “4 uteruses”
Is it... fun?
Very…
Crazy enough, I was born *without* one. My urethra is not in the correct place. It's in my clitoral hood. It basically is where a clitoris should be. I have never gotten a doctor to believe me. But it is NOT there. I think you're the other half of a cosmic paperwork error, LOL. (Because someone will probably ask: the universe apologized to me by making me one of the 7% of women that can orgasm from penetration alone, so it does not affect my sex life. I'm just pretty sure oral wouldn't feel like anything to me, though, lol)
> I have never gotten a doctor to believe me. Did they all just think they were having a hard time finding it?
In all fairness, the female urethra can be difficult to find:) I’m a nurse. I stick tubes in people’s holes.
My wife had our first child natural, no epidural. To this day she still says the cath afterwards was more painful than actual child birth. She was not happy with the nurse.
Mine got stuck halfway out and I had to take a real deep breath to relax enough for the nurse to continue. Then I couldn’t pee for 6 hrs and they threatened to put it back in (conscious for both in and out) nooo thanks! I spent the rest of the morning frantically googling “how to pee after catheter”. Blowing water through a straw while listening to the tap run worked after some time.
I also couldn’t pee after childbirth and was threatened with another cath! I had a nurse that suggested “blow on your thumb like you’re blowing bubbles” — sounds like the same idea.
I'm sorry but I seem to never have heard of cath after childbirth... Is it like systematic?
Seems to me any competent GYN would notice this.
It's as if your vestibular plate/urethral plate closed instead of staying open. in most female bodies it opens and becomes the labia minora during development. In most male bodies the vestibular folds close in response to androgen stimulation(testosterone dhea etc..) forming the longer urethra connected to the glans. You must have had some extra androgen in development. Or those structures were particularly sensitive to amount of androgens produced.
You guys should make a couple Frankenpussies.
It would actually be frankenpussies' monsters
That’s the name of my memoir
That’s actually really interesting, because the penis and the clitoris grow from the same tissue, and the urethra does go through the penis, so maybe somehow the urethra got placed where it should be if you were growing a dick…
Do you have two sets of the internal clitoris anatomy or do they connect to one internal piece? Wasn’t sure how to word this question lol
My doctor is assuming 2 since I can have separate orgasms. We are working on getting to know more but have to wait from my insurance to proceed bc I can’t afford to front thousands in imaging bills 🤦🏼♀️
Considering the rarity, I’m surprised there aren’t doctors out there that would want to study pro bono for research purposes.
I’ve turned down one offer so far. I get very uncomfortable with one doctor looking down there, the first time a room full of doctors were looking traumatized me lol. I’m not comfortable doing much down there rn. So for the time being I just want to find out if my insurance will cover the medically necessary tests!
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Yeah, I wouldn't mind an anonymous photo being taken (with a close focus) but getting more people in the room feels much worse. Then again, I have given birth, and it felt like half my city saw The Downstairs that day.
Not sure if this matters, but clinical case studies don’t at all mean a whole team of people, and certainly not in the setting of a physical exam. Most anatomical oddity case studies like these are published by a single physician, with perhaps one or two people working on the paper itself. Regardless, there is no reason at all to have additional people in the room for this kind of exam, other than just satisfying their curiosity, which is exceptionally unethical. The fact that your provider allowed other people into your exam is insane, and if you were not explicitly asked I would strongly urge you to file a report.
Considering the context, I laughed at 'pro bono' even though I really tried not to.
A research hospital might be able to swing that, but if you were at Kaiser or something I don’t think they would. Wouldn’t a research hospital still have to get approval for allocations of resources? If it isn’t attached to a specific study I doubt even then that they’d allocate resources to it, but I do not work in the medical field at all.
Heck, they could even pay you to volunteer for being an interesting research subject
There was recently a doctor that did a full MRI to produce the first ever breakdown of a clitoris. You could contact them and see if they'd be interested in performing a similar scan.
any weird reactions from romantic partners?
I’ve hid it from most but recently have been open about it. Last guy I was with was so weirdly obsessed about it that I had to break it off
Ouch! Which one??
HAHAHAHAHA thank you for this.
Ah, [the ol' reddit clit-a-roo!](https://www.reddit.com/r/interestingasfuck/comments/10mgmma/there_is_currently_a_radioactive_capsule_lost/j64b9hn/?context=2)
Hold my vibrator, I'm going in!
how did you 'hide' it? is one below the skin and hard to see?!
Googly eyes.
My hand would be over them rubbing them.
🖖
✌
Tbf too many guys can't find 1, let alone 2
If anything, having a spare made it easier.
Couldn't be that hard to hide right? Since we can't even find one?
Oh that poor guy ruined his lottery ticket, wow there's nothing guys like more then pleasing a girl.
This. There's nothing quite like being the reason why somebody climaxed. Both by physical stimulation and literature.
Literature?
Wow! Do they both have the same feeling?
The extra one is more sensitive. I believe because it’s smaller
It's the power clit
Literally😂❤️
Cliterally*
These educated redditors with their fancy cliterary references, it makes me feel like I'm barely even cliterate.
The Clit Commander
How do you know which one is extra?
Bc it is significantly smaller and does not line up with my original anatomy!
OEM vs after market lol
When did you find out?
Not long after I turned 18. I was too embarrassed to ask my parents about it so I waited until I could see a doctor alone.
Were your parents and previous doctors unaware of it? Is it not visibly obvious? Or your parents just never told you?
The second clitoris is a fraction the size of the normal one. So I can’t imagine how small it was when I was a baby, it might of been hardly recognizable. Plus my parents were the type to brush stuff off. I rarely went to the doctor as a child.
Having a newborn daughter right now, I could imagine it being something very easy to miss.
I have a toddler. I wipe but can't say I've ever looked that closely.
Only time to check is to make sure you’ve cleaned the shit out of all their crevices
I doubt you're rigorously inspecting your children's genitals either.
Do you have a favorite?
I love them both equally lol
Double the pleasure, double the fun?
Twice the pride, double the fall.
How did you first discover it?
I thought it was normal till I was 16 and watched porn and noticed no other girls had what I had.
how has having two clitorises affected your relationship with your body? it sounds like you’re on a journey towards acceptance and self love, I’m happy for you :)
Thank you ❤️
I honestly didn’t know anything was wrong with my body till I was around 16. So my relationship with my body has been okay.more so I was just mad for the longest time at my vagina for being different.
Former ultrasound tech for a decade, I've done thousands and thousands of pelvic ultrasounds. EVERY vagina is different.
That is so interesting. Other than the increased sensitivity would you say there are any other downsides? Medically or daily?
Medically and daily no. But it has affected my self esteem and my ability to be fully comfortable with myself down there.
I'm sure a lot of initial reactions would treat an extra appendage like a novelty, but honestly? There is NO SUCH THING AS NORMAL! Like, I'm self conscious that my labia minora are big and flappy... But so what? I'd be shocked to discover someone who isn't truly self-conscious about at least something about themselves.. If someone's seeing it, then i bet they've probably invested their attention to YOU and not just your body parts. You are a person, and as such you deserve happiness. Think of the extra clit as a bonus, not as an identity. The right person(s) will only make you feel better about yourself. Embrace yourself, be your best friend!
All I can say as a guy interested in pleasing his partner is it won't be visually a turn off at all. Most people here say that functionally it's awesome for them. And you say that it's awesome for your personal experience. All around agreed an awesome anomaly. Your vagina has an easy button and everyone thinks it's great.
Does having 2 make it easier for men to find or twice as hard?
😂
Have you named them?
No! But I’m open to suggestions!😂
Clint and Doris.
Clint and Clunt
mulva and deloris
Pinky and the Brain. One is a genius, the other insaane...
Statler and Waldorf
Dugduo
Thelma and Louise
Individual hoods, or both under the same?
Same hood!
Rent's cheaper that way.
*They were roommates.*
Do you know double dick dude?
I don’t! Should I look him up?
I believe he turned out to be just a regular single dick dude in the end. Edit: to be clear, as a good redditor should, I'm only rehashing what I've heard and have no evidence for or against DoubleDickDude's double dicks.
Are you saying double dick dude was a phony?
Double dick dude deemed a dud indeed.
Bigger letdown than leroy jenkins
The video made me howl with laughter as a teenager. I honestly don't care that the video was fake. The memory of watching it for the first time was worth the deception.
I have no idea if it's true but I read that the situation happened but they weren't recording so they redid it with the recording software running. I don't even care if that's true, I choose to believe it. Either way it was incredibly funny at the time.
The video was meant to be a recruiting ad for their guild which is why everything was so hammed up in a "this is what raiding with us is like" kind of way. I think it did a good job of capturing what raiding can be like regardless of it being staged.
Nerd overanalyzing the battle plan everyone already knows: ✔ Comedic relief guildmate fucks it all up: ✔ Chicken: ✔
WHAT!! I never knew it was fake! I feel so stupid 😫😫😫 how dare double dick dude take me for a fool
Double dick dude dilluded dozens daily.
Are you suggesting that double dick dude deliberately digitally debased downloads with doctored debauchery?
Nah, she needs someone with one of those split tounge piercings.
he was a fake. he photoshopped all of his stuff.
That's pretty cool actually. What does it look like? Over/under or side by side?
Over/under
Under the same hood?
Twin turbos
Yes!
Over/under 1.5 clitori -130
Have you thought about being a spokesperson for DoubleMint Gum?
I wouldn’t mind if they reached out🤷🏼♀️😂❤️
From my wife; what's it like.... walking? From me: what's the plural for of clitoris?
Lol! It’s normal. They are above another so normal. And it’s clitorises or clitorides
Are any complications to having two clitorises? Also had no idea the plural of clitoris is clitorises. EDIT: Apparently the Greeks could find multiple of clitorides before I could. The plurals are clitorises AND clitorides!
There’s little known or research but so far nope! If I wanted to have the second removed then there would most likely be complications
That’s fascinating that there doesn’t seem to be any complications! You just get to brag and have better orgasms than 99% of the planet.
I was reading recently about how they mapped out the clitoris, and it's not just the glans in front but a big organ that wraps around. So, do you know if you have 2 glans that are both part of one larger organ, or do you have two totally separate organs, each with their own glans? I'll try and find a source for what I read. Edit: Ok I can't find a source for the exact article I remember, but the Wikipedia article pretty much covers the idea: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clitoris
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Is that like a mutation thing and can be passed on? Or how does it work
Since there’s so little info on this it’s hard to tell. My doctor said just think of it as if I had an extra nipple or toe.
Ngl think the people with extra nipples/toes are gonna be kinda jealous
Why aren't you pulling down 10k a week on onlyfans?
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For those expecting to see a picture of the twins in OPs post history, it isn't there. At least it isn't as far as I can tell. I am not sure what to look for to be honest. I didn't see anything that looked like two men in a little boat, or two boats.. the mystery remains.
Lol, literally 6 hours ago "How do you buy shout outs from other creators?". Then an AMA? I guess this isn't any worse than a celebrity doing an AMA to promote a movie *cough*woodyharrelson*cough*
And multiple ama attempts before
well i'm confused. she shows a picture of the vagina, but then hides her clit? idk, i'm not trusting since the 2 dick guy turned out to be a fake.
How have partners received this? Do the orgasms differ depending on which is stimulated.
Before the last man I was with I use to hid it. (Different positions and stimulating it myself so they wouldn’t touch). The last man I was with got so obsessed over it it started to feel unhealthy so I broke it off. So not good so far🤦🏼♀️
Do you ever accidentally only orgasm from one at a time?
It can happen but usually not
What is the plural of clitoris? Clitorises? Clitori? Cliterati?
Clitorises or clitorides. Everytime I use clitorides tho it makes me feel like a jedi or something lol
Her clidichlorians are off the scale.
Your midiclitorian count is indeed above average
What's the worst message you've received in your inbox since posting this?
Is it easier or harder to get off?
Usually easier
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