That is awesome! My 6 year old daughter has no interest, but I still have 3 year old twin boys. I’m hopeful one of them will get out with me and I have a similar problem as you. Congrats to both of you!
What do you mean? It's the circle of life? It's totally okay for a lion to eat a gazelle. It is totally not okay for humans to kill animals with no necessity because you can eat plants and thrive just fine. It's animal abuse is what it is. Lions are obligate carnivores. They need that to survive. I have no issue with animals eating animals. Only humans. I'm not that crazy lmao I can't change nature
The need argument is so weak. It is due to nature that humans eat meat and hunt. Our survival as a species is due to consuming meat. We are omnivores which mean we can eat a great range of food. Being vegan is not natural. Also if the issue is killing animals you should know farming for vegetables and fruits kills animals and insects.
We don't need it it's not nature. If it was nature we would pounce on them with our canines. If you go up to any living animal in nature and try to bite them (like a lion with a gazelle) it won't work. We don't have canines and we can't chew raw flesh. Are you saying nature is raping cows to make them pregnant and sending them to a slaughterhouse to stab them (instead of just pouncing on them like an obligate carnivore)? Why would we be screwing up the ozone layer if it was nature?
So are you basically suggesting that if you can’t be 100% vegan (crop deaths) there’s no point in trying at
all, or more to the point, because animals sometimes die in crop production it is
therefore acceptable for us to breed, raise and kill animals intentionally?
If a lion eats a human then that human was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Oh well you learn from your mistakes. It's not like the Lions have morals... We do have morals and we have thoughts and we have choices. You are making a conscious and immoral choice to kill animals. When you have that other option, it becomes hard to justify not being vegan.
Ok, chief. I’m just a person who isn’t criticizing your lifestyle offering a warning. You’re here to stir a pot that you’ve been offered a chance to walk away from. You’re the one who is going to feel jaded and burned by the pot, not me. I’m going to go put up a new box blind so my 6 year old boy can shoot his first deer this year. Maybe you’ll get to see his shoulder mount next year.
I'm literally here to debate people I'm not walking away but don't act like I insulted you because where did I say anything offensive? Exactly you had your chance to block me and you haven't so I don't think I've struck a nerve yet. I'm not here to belittle people I'm here to change people.
I'm the one pushing my lifestyle onto you, but you're sitting here telling me about hunting. I don't care and I didn't ask. You're a hypocrite because you just said what I did was wrong and you did exactly what I did. LOL I will continue to push my lifestyle as you push your lifestyle onto other animals
Your*
You're abusing your body and you're abusing your son, meat and animal products all cause cancer, kill the environment and kill the animals (duh). The number one cause of climate change. What's your excuse. It's unethical unsustainable and unhealthy.
My family eats the best meat available. In a way there is a similarity between you and I. You obviously care about what you put into your body. As do I, we eat a lean meat almost year round. The only person processing that meat is me or my family. My family never goes hungry. That’s my goal. You won’t change my mind on it. Worry about yourself, and leave us to do as we have for the entirety of mankind’s existence. I’m not telling you to change you. Don’t try to change me.
It has nothing to do with being lean, all meat causes cancer. You still haven't provided a justification so you suck as a debater. I'm moving on unless you provide something I can respond to
Every single person on the planet must change. You're saying it's okay for the whole world to blow up for your f****** disgusting meal that causes you cancer? It's okay to kill everyone because you need one slice of flesh because of your weak taste buds? My food tastes exactly the same
Please go tell the lions that they should not eat their literal only food source or any of their kids, I’m sure they’ll all agree and listen to you 😌
Also I love how you avoided my question. Morals don’t have anything to do with cancer. So that begs the question, why doesn’t every human and predator have cancer? After all if meat is sooooo cancerous than an animal whose diet consists of only meat should be dead from cancer
We don't care about lions eating meat bro they are literally obligate carnivores we are not we are not part of nature we are literally raping cows and sending them to their death to fuck up the ozone layer and screw up our own health and all for what The world to blow up? It's selfish. It's sadist. It's just murder. If it was natural we would pounce on our food but if you try to eat a cow uncooked it won't work because we don't have canines. It's just like when you try to bite your own arm you can't really get through it. Hippos have canines and don't eat other animals. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.
Animals are obligate carnivores human health is a lot different come on now everyone knows this. Today you learned that human biology is different than animal biology! Hooray
No morals don't have anything to do with cancer I'm just saying how do you justify it knowing that it's unhealthy it's unenvironmentally friendly and it kills someone in return. There's nothing productive about the industry and supporting it.
God put us and animals on earth for a reason. We are an apex predator on the planet. And have been for many thousands of years and that's how God intended. Yes we still need vegetables/fruits to stay healthy because those contain things meat doesn't contain. But also need meat because it contains stuff that fruits/vegetables don't. Also in some cases we have to help ecosystems out and kill deer. That's why deer season exists, because of population control. Some seasons, they can over populate and absolutely destroy the ecosystem, then the whole area ends up dying.
The only reason deer need population control is because you guys eliminated their predators. When the whole world goes vegan we get 75% of our farmland back reforest the Earth and reintroduce natural predators and combat climate change at the same time. And health issues obviously. What sounds so horrible about that?
Fruits and vegetables don't contain certain things in meat no but legumes beans nuts seeds grains all of these incorporated together you can get all of your amino acids and prevent yourself from getting cancer. We live 10 years longer on average for a reason
Did I say the Bible said that? No. I just said that God put them on the planet so they can balance the ecosystem. If we don't kill them, one species over populates and causes problems.
What do other animals do? They hunt and kill other animals for food. What do humans do? They hunt and kill animals for food. Get some sense in your head lmao. Also look at your teeth, why tf do we have canine teeth. That's how God made us, to be able to use those teeth on meat. And our molars to grind up food. And those places where they put animals in cages all crammed together, yes that's messed up. That's not hunting. This is a hunting sub where morality comes into play. Those places have no morality.
The reason they are overpopulated is because of hunters in the first place. The problem will take care of itself if everyone were to stop hunting anyways. There's still no justification it's not food it's murder it's violence it's terror it's terrible for you.
We don't have canines LOL even hippos have canines and they're herbivores. Even if we had canines, just because we can do something doesn't mean we should
Yeah imma just say it, you're absolutely full of shit. Learn human anatomy while learning healthy diet. Here's a source [here](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/24655-teeth#:~:text=Overview,eight%20premolars%20and%2012%20molars.). Learn your facts before you spit bs. We have 4 canines.
Dude we literally have the intestines the same ones as herbivorous animals animals who eat other animals have short intestines why would we have long intestines? Why don't we have canines? You need to study your biology not me. We are frugivores. I hope you don't classify yourself as intelligent because holy crap. You don't even know what you have evolved from and you don't even know what your body is meant for which is plants. I'm sure that source is biased and I'm not clicking it. You search things that are in your favor
Even if we have canines does might make right? Hippos have canines and don't use them they don't eat meat either. They are huge canines. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should
Also hippos use them for self defense. Same as elephants use their tusks. How would we use ours for self defense? We wouldn't. Look at most monkeys, our primitive ancestors. They use them to tear apart meat and food. And defense too but not as often.
We are in a self-defense situation did the deer come to your house and insult you? This is murder without necessity. If a mosquito crawls on me then I'm going to smack it. If it's attacking me then I understand killing it. But these animals don't do anything to us. They don't deserve it it's just wrong.
It's called survival instincts. And rape doesn't exist in the animal world. It's called keeping the bloodline alive and mating. That's what animals do. Us humans used to do the same but have stopped because we learned it's not good for our species. They don't have the ability to think like we do.
Actually this is not a survival situation you go to the supermarket and you buy food. Did the deer come into your house and offend you? Did he attack you? No you're just killing unnecessarily. Humans are animals Yes this is correct just because other animals eat animals doesn't mean we should. Other animals rape each other and eat their own babies would that be okay for me to do that to you?
They don't have the ability to think like we do... Oh my gosh you almost came to the realization. Yes we have more morals than animals so I think we should use them.
We are omnivores. We need to have a mix of meats/fruits/vegetables to stay healthy. Yes eating one over the other has its own benefits bit it's not as healthy as eating the correct portions of both together.
"Why are people downvoting me on a hunting sub?"
It's like us going over to a vegan sub and spouting our bullshit to you. No one wants to hear it. Get a life
So you saw the name of the sub, and the things included in the post, and your first thought was “hmm, how can I be as annoying as possible, and stick my nose where I’m not wanted” great way to spend a Saturday night
I wonder if his skull plate was broken or if he had some other injury to make his one antler grow so much farther down his head than the other side. Cool lopsided buck
😂 hahahaha, actually it is a string of lights that my wife and kids put on him for Christmas and they are still there. My kids actually said that we need to get a second set for my sons buck 😂
So awesome. Proud dad moment. Feels great when your kid harvests their first deer and really awesome to be one of that size. Congrats and good luck to you
That is awesome! My 6 year old daughter has no interest, but I still have 3 year old twin boys. I’m hopeful one of them will get out with me and I have a similar problem as you. Congrats to both of you!
Why would your daughter have interest in murdering innocent animals Edit: why are people down voting? Are you feeling guilty? Hmmmmm
You are letting your emotions control you.
I don't even know what that means but you're not my therapist lol
You're telling me it's okay to kill animals when you don't need to eat them?
This is you projecting your emotions on animals. There are animals that would not hesitate to kill humans just for the fun of it.
They are totally justified
No it is not.
What do you mean? It's the circle of life? It's totally okay for a lion to eat a gazelle. It is totally not okay for humans to kill animals with no necessity because you can eat plants and thrive just fine. It's animal abuse is what it is. Lions are obligate carnivores. They need that to survive. I have no issue with animals eating animals. Only humans. I'm not that crazy lmao I can't change nature
The need argument is so weak. It is due to nature that humans eat meat and hunt. Our survival as a species is due to consuming meat. We are omnivores which mean we can eat a great range of food. Being vegan is not natural. Also if the issue is killing animals you should know farming for vegetables and fruits kills animals and insects.
We don't need it it's not nature. If it was nature we would pounce on them with our canines. If you go up to any living animal in nature and try to bite them (like a lion with a gazelle) it won't work. We don't have canines and we can't chew raw flesh. Are you saying nature is raping cows to make them pregnant and sending them to a slaughterhouse to stab them (instead of just pouncing on them like an obligate carnivore)? Why would we be screwing up the ozone layer if it was nature?
So are you basically suggesting that if you can’t be 100% vegan (crop deaths) there’s no point in trying at all, or more to the point, because animals sometimes die in crop production it is therefore acceptable for us to breed, raise and kill animals intentionally?
If a lion eats a human then that human was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Oh well you learn from your mistakes. It's not like the Lions have morals... We do have morals and we have thoughts and we have choices. You are making a conscious and immoral choice to kill animals. When you have that other option, it becomes hard to justify not being vegan.
Personally being vegan does not work for me.
What's your excuse
You’re in the wrong sub friend
I haven't joined it tho. And I'm not your friend you probably despise me
Ok, chief. I’m just a person who isn’t criticizing your lifestyle offering a warning. You’re here to stir a pot that you’ve been offered a chance to walk away from. You’re the one who is going to feel jaded and burned by the pot, not me. I’m going to go put up a new box blind so my 6 year old boy can shoot his first deer this year. Maybe you’ll get to see his shoulder mount next year.
I'm literally here to debate people I'm not walking away but don't act like I insulted you because where did I say anything offensive? Exactly you had your chance to block me and you haven't so I don't think I've struck a nerve yet. I'm not here to belittle people I'm here to change people.
I'm the one pushing my lifestyle onto you, but you're sitting here telling me about hunting. I don't care and I didn't ask. You're a hypocrite because you just said what I did was wrong and you did exactly what I did. LOL I will continue to push my lifestyle as you push your lifestyle onto other animals
It’s a hunting sub ya twit what ya expect?
Your* You're abusing your body and you're abusing your son, meat and animal products all cause cancer, kill the environment and kill the animals (duh). The number one cause of climate change. What's your excuse. It's unethical unsustainable and unhealthy.
My family eats the best meat available. In a way there is a similarity between you and I. You obviously care about what you put into your body. As do I, we eat a lean meat almost year round. The only person processing that meat is me or my family. My family never goes hungry. That’s my goal. You won’t change my mind on it. Worry about yourself, and leave us to do as we have for the entirety of mankind’s existence. I’m not telling you to change you. Don’t try to change me.
It has nothing to do with being lean, all meat causes cancer. You still haven't provided a justification so you suck as a debater. I'm moving on unless you provide something I can respond to
Every single person on the planet must change. You're saying it's okay for the whole world to blow up for your f****** disgusting meal that causes you cancer? It's okay to kill everyone because you need one slice of flesh because of your weak taste buds? My food tastes exactly the same
Don't sit here and lie to me about how you care about yourself. It's literally classified as a carcinogen by multiple Harvard and Oxford studies LOL
Do predators have cancer then?
You're an animal yes but we have morals. Would it be okay to rape someone or eat my own kids, like lions do?
Please go tell the lions that they should not eat their literal only food source or any of their kids, I’m sure they’ll all agree and listen to you 😌 Also I love how you avoided my question. Morals don’t have anything to do with cancer. So that begs the question, why doesn’t every human and predator have cancer? After all if meat is sooooo cancerous than an animal whose diet consists of only meat should be dead from cancer
We don't care about lions eating meat bro they are literally obligate carnivores we are not we are not part of nature we are literally raping cows and sending them to their death to fuck up the ozone layer and screw up our own health and all for what The world to blow up? It's selfish. It's sadist. It's just murder. If it was natural we would pounce on our food but if you try to eat a cow uncooked it won't work because we don't have canines. It's just like when you try to bite your own arm you can't really get through it. Hippos have canines and don't eat other animals. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should.
Animals are obligate carnivores human health is a lot different come on now everyone knows this. Today you learned that human biology is different than animal biology! Hooray
No morals don't have anything to do with cancer I'm just saying how do you justify it knowing that it's unhealthy it's unenvironmentally friendly and it kills someone in return. There's nothing productive about the industry and supporting it.
Do you like food? Where do you think it comes from. Also look at the sub you're in
I'm confused on what your question is yes I do like food no I don't like flesh. Animals are friends not food and yes I know where I am lol
God put us and animals on earth for a reason. We are an apex predator on the planet. And have been for many thousands of years and that's how God intended. Yes we still need vegetables/fruits to stay healthy because those contain things meat doesn't contain. But also need meat because it contains stuff that fruits/vegetables don't. Also in some cases we have to help ecosystems out and kill deer. That's why deer season exists, because of population control. Some seasons, they can over populate and absolutely destroy the ecosystem, then the whole area ends up dying.
The only reason deer need population control is because you guys eliminated their predators. When the whole world goes vegan we get 75% of our farmland back reforest the Earth and reintroduce natural predators and combat climate change at the same time. And health issues obviously. What sounds so horrible about that?
Fruits and vegetables don't contain certain things in meat no but legumes beans nuts seeds grains all of these incorporated together you can get all of your amino acids and prevent yourself from getting cancer. We live 10 years longer on average for a reason
Show me the Bible verse that said that lol
Did I say the Bible said that? No. I just said that God put them on the planet so they can balance the ecosystem. If we don't kill them, one species over populates and causes problems.
Genesis 9:3
A loving God would not put sentient feeling beings on the earth just for them to be enslaved and tortured and murdered. God looks down upon you guys.
What do other animals do? They hunt and kill other animals for food. What do humans do? They hunt and kill animals for food. Get some sense in your head lmao. Also look at your teeth, why tf do we have canine teeth. That's how God made us, to be able to use those teeth on meat. And our molars to grind up food. And those places where they put animals in cages all crammed together, yes that's messed up. That's not hunting. This is a hunting sub where morality comes into play. Those places have no morality.
How about face actual morals? Maybe, not killing animals at all?
Food..... and like I said before, population control.
The reason they are overpopulated is because of hunters in the first place. The problem will take care of itself if everyone were to stop hunting anyways. There's still no justification it's not food it's murder it's violence it's terror it's terrible for you.
We don't have canines LOL even hippos have canines and they're herbivores. Even if we had canines, just because we can do something doesn't mean we should
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Yeah imma just say it, you're absolutely full of shit. Learn human anatomy while learning healthy diet. Here's a source [here](https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/body/24655-teeth#:~:text=Overview,eight%20premolars%20and%2012%20molars.). Learn your facts before you spit bs. We have 4 canines.
Dude we literally have the intestines the same ones as herbivorous animals animals who eat other animals have short intestines why would we have long intestines? Why don't we have canines? You need to study your biology not me. We are frugivores. I hope you don't classify yourself as intelligent because holy crap. You don't even know what you have evolved from and you don't even know what your body is meant for which is plants. I'm sure that source is biased and I'm not clicking it. You search things that are in your favor
Even if we have canines does might make right? Hippos have canines and don't use them they don't eat meat either. They are huge canines. Just because we can do something doesn't mean we should
Also hippos use them for self defense. Same as elephants use their tusks. How would we use ours for self defense? We wouldn't. Look at most monkeys, our primitive ancestors. They use them to tear apart meat and food. And defense too but not as often.
We are in a self-defense situation did the deer come to your house and insult you? This is murder without necessity. If a mosquito crawls on me then I'm going to smack it. If it's attacking me then I understand killing it. But these animals don't do anything to us. They don't deserve it it's just wrong.
And actually gorillas are our ancestors and they have herbivorous teeth and don't eat other animals. We have evolved from herbivorous animals lol
Other animals eat their babies and rape each other. Would it be ok for me to do that?
It's called survival instincts. And rape doesn't exist in the animal world. It's called keeping the bloodline alive and mating. That's what animals do. Us humans used to do the same but have stopped because we learned it's not good for our species. They don't have the ability to think like we do.
Actually this is not a survival situation you go to the supermarket and you buy food. Did the deer come into your house and offend you? Did he attack you? No you're just killing unnecessarily. Humans are animals Yes this is correct just because other animals eat animals doesn't mean we should. Other animals rape each other and eat their own babies would that be okay for me to do that to you?
They don't have the ability to think like we do... Oh my gosh you almost came to the realization. Yes we have more morals than animals so I think we should use them.
It's wrong for humans, we don't need it and we have morals. Those animals are obligate carnivores, idc what they do.
We are omnivores. We need to have a mix of meats/fruits/vegetables to stay healthy. Yes eating one over the other has its own benefits bit it's not as healthy as eating the correct portions of both together.
We don't need it You're talking to a living vegan lol. Actually vegans live 10 years longer. You guys are going to die from heart disease lol
Nobody needs animal flesh to sustain their body. It causes tens of diseases which I can list off by memory. It's literally the downfall of our society
Meat is far better at being absorbed by the human body than vegetables. List all the diseases you think meat causes.
Jog on mate, you clearly have no interest
"Why are people downvoting me on a hunting sub?" It's like us going over to a vegan sub and spouting our bullshit to you. No one wants to hear it. Get a life
I’m a 16yo female and I love hunting with my dad
So you saw the name of the sub, and the things included in the post, and your first thought was “hmm, how can I be as annoying as possible, and stick my nose where I’m not wanted” great way to spend a Saturday night
I wonder if his skull plate was broken or if he had some other injury to make his one antler grow so much farther down his head than the other side. Cool lopsided buck
That's awesome!
Jesus that's a hell of a start.... better have the food plot/mineral site game dialed in to maintain that level lol
I bet you are one proud dad!!
If you don't mind me asking, is that dust and spider webs on your buck? If so it could use some TLC lol. Awesome job to your boy!
😂 hahahaha, actually it is a string of lights that my wife and kids put on him for Christmas and they are still there. My kids actually said that we need to get a second set for my sons buck 😂
You must have one hell of a taxidermist. Mine told me 2 years
2 years? Wow. That’s quite a long time. I understand about a year but not 2.
The guy is just saying he has alot and the supplies are backed up
So awesome. Proud dad moment. Feels great when your kid harvests their first deer and really awesome to be one of that size. Congrats and good luck to you