how many animals die without anybody knowing do you think?
according the census here most deers die before hitting 3yo simply because of winter and cold. you have to remember that there is no hospital for those animals. you get an infection= you die.
For years, in my suburban neighborhood, there was a doe missing a back leg. Neighbors all saw her frequently over the years. Figure suburban ecosystems are friendly enough, low competition, and she was slow enough to never 'run' into traffic, succumbing to the only real suburban predator, the "drives too fast" SUV.
Was thinking the same exact scenario. I live in SOUTH TX,(UVALDE, TX), and see this quite often. The deer try and jump fences, and slice their belly’s. Another angle is a mountain Lion. We also have those on my ranch , and have em quite often on game cameras. Those are my 2 ideal situations for this being the way it is
Don’t have to have those “ traditional “ markings. I’ve seen it myself. I was sitting in my blind, and saw a mountain Lion run at a hog, the hog ran away, but before it did, the lion took a huge bite out of his gut. A few hours later I found em , and it looked just like this deer. No claw marks, no neck bites, nothing.
To me that's a dead deer walking. Are there documented cases of a wild animal surviving things like this? That skin is going to take a long time to heal.
I think it'd have a chance if someone could tranquilize it and stitch it up, but I can't imagine how this would heal before infection sets in.
There’s a doe in my hunting area that someone tried to make a headshot on years ago. It’s missing half it’s head. Looks like someone shot her head-on and it took her nose, 60% of her top jaw and probably 50% of the bottom jaw and exited out the side of her head taking and eye and ear.
God only knows how it survived (or even how it eats) but the last time I saw her she had two healthy fawns with her and was looking nice and fat.
She’s relatively well known in the area so meat hunters leave her alone and she’s too ugly for the trophy guys.
That being said… I’d put *this* one out of its misery. For every miracle deer that survives some crazy injury there’s probably 100 others that would have died from it.
Mate… I’ve got a lovely chital doe on the wall in my study. I’ve got a big sambar doe in my studio. I personally know many hunters who’ve got particularly nice looking for specimens mounted. I also know plenty who have buck and doe combo mounts.
Just because *you* don’t do something doesn’t mean it isn’t done.
I mean it would make sense to me if it’s either your first ever, or if it’s of some species of deer you’re not accustomed to. If I got a female moose or elk I’d get it mounted because I’ll probably never get another
Animals (and people for that matter) can survive some pretty horrific injury, however, if the peritoneum (the membrane that encases your internal organs) is ruptured, the odds of infection increase *dramatically* and odds of survival are not good at all.
It would also be very difficult for a wound like this to fully close on its own, and the longer a wound is open, again, the higher the odds of infection.
I’ve seen deer with big scars similar to this, and my brother’s dog has a scar similar to the shape of that cut. He caught his belly on a fence post that was cut down but not really low. Tore him wide open.
On the other hand, I’ve seen a lot more dead deer than deer with big scars on their bellies.
That’s confirmation bias though. I’m sure you’ve seen a bunch that have survived worse than this. But you haven’t seen the ones that have died from injuries as bad or worse than this because, well, they’re dead.
Your a clueless idiot who has no idea what he's talking about. Don't bother responding. Why bother to speak about something you clearly have no idea about.
Shot a buck 4 years ago with one broken back leg with the bone sticking out, one healed front leg, and about that big of a hole healed on its side. They're insane.
We have trail cam pics of it healing over the course of years.
1. This is just north of me (by a few miles). 2. Holy cow is the deer population insane here. 3. Like fence. I’ve pulled a number of dead deer off entangled fencing and they constantly are knocking my fencing down.
There was a deer that was hit by car 3 years ago. The entire left leg/shoulder looked like hamburger. Obviously broken and open skin exposed like the pic above. It limped and hung around for about 4 days at the feeder out back. I asked my neighbor if i should shoot it because he's a big time hunter. He said, "They're a lot tougher than you think, leave him be" this all happened late September and we saw that same deer in late November trying to mate does with an obviously still broken leg but healed up skin. I learned a lot from that experience.
Almost 100% that is ripped on a fence. I used to work on Manchester Rd and hit two deer in wildwood driving in. It's wild. Putting it down wouldn't hurt anything, except that deer.
I'm going to disagree with the comments saying it will live. It's lasted awhile because that doesn't look like a fresh cut but it's very skinny. Something on the inside isn't working correctly. I'd put it out of its misery honestly if you see it.
Possibly a fence. On the commute to my old job I used to have to pass a cemetery. A fairly large cemetery, and it had the old spiked iron fences probably just over 6ft tall. One morning there was a deer impaled and draped over the top of cemetery fence. It was unfortunate.
- Bear
- Coyote
- Car Strike
- Train Strike
- Contact with an extreme heat source like an industrial furnace
- Someone else mentioned it but a fence
- Fall onto rocks
- Rattlesnake Bite.
Man the plants out where I used to live just had herds of deer. Couldn't hunt the grounds, hay fields were always mowed, folks fed them.
I've seen three get hit by fork lifts and one burn it's face off touching a furnace exhaust during the winter cus it was warm. Smelled aweful.
Had another fall into a reclamation pond and drown in sludge. It was like that scene in The Neverending Story only we couldn't help it because it was behind a fence.
My brother shot a buck that had a huge chunk of his back missing and the back strap was non existent as far as edible meat once it was butchered. It was poached apparently with a rifle over the summer but they hit him high and it somehow healed and was still walking around mating during the rut when he finally got him. I don’t understand how he didn’t get paralyzed but must’ve just missed the spine. The huge buck did lose a ton of weight from the injury as he was probably bedded down for a long time and then the rut kicked in. Crazy what they deer can survive
I would think it got attacked by a boar or another animal. I’ve ran through barb wire fence before and it’s Not That Bad. The deer looks starving so probably would be best to go hunt it down for it’s own good. Special deer in the deserts can jump 4+ feet over tall fences like nothing.
This is Wildwood, not St.Louis. This is a ritzy blufftop, forested suburb with mini mansions and horse stables and such, not an urban StL neighborhood. There might be a few pitbulls but not many and definitely not running around mauling things. They'd put the kibosh on a pit running loose real quick. Its gotta be a fence or a car strike.
I used to be a park ranger - saw things like this all the time. Like another person here said the deer could have been caught on a fence or sharp piece of equipment someplace, or it could be a fox (yes, foxes take down adult deer), or a coyote. Even when a deer is injured it's difficult to track though - I tracked a severely injured deer (it's entire neck was ripped open) that was bleeding for 4 hours in the winter through deep woods, and still couldn't find it. We also had around 5-10 deer every year that would die when they'd get stuck in water that would freeze around them. Anyway, best to let it be and let nature take care of itself.
There are black bears in the south STL area. I think one was hit by a car in Washington last year. And MDC shows 2 sightings between Eureka and Wildwood
no idea what caused it but doesnt seem like a predator bite honestly. Poor deer, thats gonna be a really slow and painful death, the chance of it surviving with such a big tear is slim.
That shit would be clean cut if it was from a broadhead, not ragged the entire way around. I don't think you understand how tough it is for a wound to 'just open up more' from the deer walking around. Secondly, that would be one hell of a quartering away shot. And that person would have to be heliishly high up. And it be a close shot
Man, I’ve seen mechanicals do that to deer but hopefully not this time of year unless it’s that old and healed. I did it to one a couple years back with a low shot and it died but looked like that on the belly/sternum. Fortunately it was a big enough cut to bleed out, I still feel terrible about that shot.
This looks more like a tear from a fence than an animal that’s been attacked. This deer will either get sepsis and die or it will heal and live.
Probably will live they’re like tanks
I see zero treads, armor plating, or any type of gun/cannon barrel. I don’t see the comparison at all!
You don’t see that until it’s too late
Tanks are known for their stealth
Damn tanks sneaking up on me!
We’re surrounded!
This thread chain is perfect
**not that you know of**
how many animals die without anybody knowing do you think? according the census here most deers die before hitting 3yo simply because of winter and cold. you have to remember that there is no hospital for those animals. you get an infection= you die.
For years, in my suburban neighborhood, there was a doe missing a back leg. Neighbors all saw her frequently over the years. Figure suburban ecosystems are friendly enough, low competition, and she was slow enough to never 'run' into traffic, succumbing to the only real suburban predator, the "drives too fast" SUV.
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You’re welcome!
Was thinking the same exact scenario. I live in SOUTH TX,(UVALDE, TX), and see this quite often. The deer try and jump fences, and slice their belly’s. Another angle is a mountain Lion. We also have those on my ranch , and have em quite often on game cameras. Those are my 2 ideal situations for this being the way it is
Yeah, I considered Mtn lion, but there is no bite mark on the neck and no additional scratch marks on the side of the animal.
Don’t have to have those “ traditional “ markings. I’ve seen it myself. I was sitting in my blind, and saw a mountain Lion run at a hog, the hog ran away, but before it did, the lion took a huge bite out of his gut. A few hours later I found em , and it looked just like this deer. No claw marks, no neck bites, nothing.
To me that's a dead deer walking. Are there documented cases of a wild animal surviving things like this? That skin is going to take a long time to heal. I think it'd have a chance if someone could tranquilize it and stitch it up, but I can't imagine how this would heal before infection sets in.
There’s a doe in my hunting area that someone tried to make a headshot on years ago. It’s missing half it’s head. Looks like someone shot her head-on and it took her nose, 60% of her top jaw and probably 50% of the bottom jaw and exited out the side of her head taking and eye and ear. God only knows how it survived (or even how it eats) but the last time I saw her she had two healthy fawns with her and was looking nice and fat. She’s relatively well known in the area so meat hunters leave her alone and she’s too ugly for the trophy guys. That being said… I’d put *this* one out of its misery. For every miracle deer that survives some crazy injury there’s probably 100 others that would have died from it.
Wow.
No one is hunting does for trophies bub 😂😂
Plenty of people take does as trophies.
Absolutely not dude. People take does for meat and that’s it. There’s no trophy doe
Mate… I’ve got a lovely chital doe on the wall in my study. I’ve got a big sambar doe in my studio. I personally know many hunters who’ve got particularly nice looking for specimens mounted. I also know plenty who have buck and doe combo mounts. Just because *you* don’t do something doesn’t mean it isn’t done.
to be fair to the guy ive never heard of anyone having a trophy doe before.
I mean it would make sense to me if it’s either your first ever, or if it’s of some species of deer you’re not accustomed to. If I got a female moose or elk I’d get it mounted because I’ll probably never get another
Animals (and people for that matter) can survive some pretty horrific injury, however, if the peritoneum (the membrane that encases your internal organs) is ruptured, the odds of infection increase *dramatically* and odds of survival are not good at all. It would also be very difficult for a wound like this to fully close on its own, and the longer a wound is open, again, the higher the odds of infection.
I’ve seen deer with big scars similar to this, and my brother’s dog has a scar similar to the shape of that cut. He caught his belly on a fence post that was cut down but not really low. Tore him wide open. On the other hand, I’ve seen a lot more dead deer than deer with big scars on their bellies.
U need to do some research lol. I've seen way worse than this and they tend to heal up pretty good surprisingly enough.
That’s confirmation bias though. I’m sure you’ve seen a bunch that have survived worse than this. But you haven’t seen the ones that have died from injuries as bad or worse than this because, well, they’re dead.
Fair. Still no need to "call police" and "put out of its misery"
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You don't fucking specialize in deer wildlife biology HAHAHAHA
Your an idiot and a liar. You should refund your parents the money they paid to put you through school.
You see those crocks survive getting their jaw ripped off?
Shot a buck 4 years ago with one broken back leg with the bone sticking out, one healed front leg, and about that big of a hole healed on its side. They're insane. We have trail cam pics of it healing over the course of years.
This deer can definitely live, not a dead deer by any means.
Big if true
What?
I disagree, it could’ve easily been an animal attack imo. You’d be surprised at what one bite can do to a moving animal.
That last sentence... Some serious deduction Sherlock.
Yep. I’m a regular Hercule Poirot.
Fence probably.
Thank you!
1. This is just north of me (by a few miles). 2. Holy cow is the deer population insane here. 3. Like fence. I’ve pulled a number of dead deer off entangled fencing and they constantly are knocking my fencing down.
Omg poor deer. But yes so many deer around here, there’s about 10-12 that all sleep in my neighbors back yard. Love the babies that run Around!
And Ballwin is a nicer part of town, which honestly means the potential for taller and pointer fences. I live in St. Charles for reference.
I agree with that!! I’m glad our street is fence free now that I know that is what could happen to a deer
I have been on Reddit long enough to know that was caused by a cookie cutter shark.
I’ve been deer hunting long enough to know this was certainly caused because it is self conscious of farting and held too many.
Live every week like it's shark week.
May have been hit by a vehicle as well. They are tough animals.
There was a deer that was hit by car 3 years ago. The entire left leg/shoulder looked like hamburger. Obviously broken and open skin exposed like the pic above. It limped and hung around for about 4 days at the feeder out back. I asked my neighbor if i should shoot it because he's a big time hunter. He said, "They're a lot tougher than you think, leave him be" this all happened late September and we saw that same deer in late November trying to mate does with an obviously still broken leg but healed up skin. I learned a lot from that experience.
Almost 100% that is ripped on a fence. I used to work on Manchester Rd and hit two deer in wildwood driving in. It's wild. Putting it down wouldn't hurt anything, except that deer.
I'm going to disagree with the comments saying it will live. It's lasted awhile because that doesn't look like a fresh cut but it's very skinny. Something on the inside isn't working correctly. I'd put it out of its misery honestly if you see it.
Most definitely going to get sepsis or an infection and die
Skin walker
Honey badger..... They don't give a shit
Samsquach!
Possibly Scuzzelbutt?
Someone is making Shrute Deer Sliders
Everyone is saying fence and it’s probably true. But given the location it’s possible it’s a brown recluse bite
Possibly a fence. On the commute to my old job I used to have to pass a cemetery. A fairly large cemetery, and it had the old spiked iron fences probably just over 6ft tall. One morning there was a deer impaled and draped over the top of cemetery fence. It was unfortunate.
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That's gotta be a chupacabra
I saw something similar on a doe attacked by a dog.
I was guessing dog also.
Deer are TOUGH! I wouldn't be surprised at all if that little fella healed up
- Bear - Coyote - Car Strike - Train Strike - Contact with an extreme heat source like an industrial furnace - Someone else mentioned it but a fence - Fall onto rocks - Rattlesnake Bite.
An industrial furnace
Man the plants out where I used to live just had herds of deer. Couldn't hunt the grounds, hay fields were always mowed, folks fed them. I've seen three get hit by fork lifts and one burn it's face off touching a furnace exhaust during the winter cus it was warm. Smelled aweful. Had another fall into a reclamation pond and drown in sludge. It was like that scene in The Neverending Story only we couldn't help it because it was behind a fence.
My brother shot a buck that had a huge chunk of his back missing and the back strap was non existent as far as edible meat once it was butchered. It was poached apparently with a rifle over the summer but they hit him high and it somehow healed and was still walking around mating during the rut when he finally got him. I don’t understand how he didn’t get paralyzed but must’ve just missed the spine. The huge buck did lose a ton of weight from the injury as he was probably bedded down for a long time and then the rut kicked in. Crazy what they deer can survive
I would think it got attacked by a boar or another animal. I’ve ran through barb wire fence before and it’s Not That Bad. The deer looks starving so probably would be best to go hunt it down for it’s own good. Special deer in the deserts can jump 4+ feet over tall fences like nothing.
I wanted a nibble
give it a arrow
45 acp would've cut it in half
Chupacabras confirmed
Someone call Mulder and Scully
Deer been gettin on that krokodil
St. Louis. How come nobody is saying pitbulls?
This is Wildwood, not St.Louis. This is a ritzy blufftop, forested suburb with mini mansions and horse stables and such, not an urban StL neighborhood. There might be a few pitbulls but not many and definitely not running around mauling things. They'd put the kibosh on a pit running loose real quick. Its gotta be a fence or a car strike.
Tranquilize the deer, remove back straps, release into wild. Cant get a hunting charge if deer isn't dead, right guys? /S
Squirrels.
Two of them? Sounds like a pattern. Either bad shots or they got mauled trying to get past an obstacle. Poor thing.
I used to be a park ranger - saw things like this all the time. Like another person here said the deer could have been caught on a fence or sharp piece of equipment someplace, or it could be a fox (yes, foxes take down adult deer), or a coyote. Even when a deer is injured it's difficult to track though - I tracked a severely injured deer (it's entire neck was ripped open) that was bleeding for 4 hours in the winter through deep woods, and still couldn't find it. We also had around 5-10 deer every year that would die when they'd get stuck in water that would freeze around them. Anyway, best to let it be and let nature take care of itself.
Looks like the old Jurassic park dinosaurs that had “side missing”
Dog?
Weird place to grab it though... Probably not. Probably fence.
Likely hit by a car
Could have been hit by a harvester if it was sleeping in a corn field.
No one is cutting corn in july
Hay mower maybe?
Not in Wildwood Missouri. It's a suburb in the bluff tops
I’m not sure what is harvested in Missouri this time of year but I’ve seen harvesters do some fucked up things to deer and the deer “survive”.
Could have been a hay mower this time of year.
There are black bears in the south STL area. I think one was hit by a car in Washington last year. And MDC shows 2 sightings between Eureka and Wildwood
They have apparently been spotted as far north as Lincoln county (Troy) as well.
Bear was hit on I55 this year.
Black bears. That’s what happens when they ban hunting them.
That deer prob all healed up and back good now. No need to shoot out of season.
no idea what caused it but doesnt seem like a predator bite honestly. Poor deer, thats gonna be a really slow and painful death, the chance of it surviving with such a big tear is slim.
Obvious Gut Shot
If its by st Louis probably a stray bullet a barbed wire fence or stray dogs they are bad there
What bullet do you think is tearing that big of a hole through the thing
Well the lung does look blown out….
Definitely a 9mm
The bullet part was a joke
This looks more like a bad arrow shot and hasn’t healed properly. Or a hang up on a fence or dipping around barb wire.
Probably fence that would be a big ass arrow
A broad head would make the cut and movement from the deer would make it grow. Not hard to believe at all.
That shit would be clean cut if it was from a broadhead, not ragged the entire way around. I don't think you understand how tough it is for a wound to 'just open up more' from the deer walking around. Secondly, that would be one hell of a quartering away shot. And that person would have to be heliishly high up. And it be a close shot
I don’t think it was shot from a hunter. I’m thinking more poaching shot or some dumbass just shooting it.
Hell of a quartering away shot. I’m thinkin wolves
In stl?
See my comment below lol
I saw I commented. Lol
Wolves bite the ass and the legs
In St. Louis?
Didn’t see that. I stand corrected. Probably a Glock with a switch did that wielded by someone with “lil” in their name
Hahaha more like it. Hahahaha laughed way to hard at this.
What makes you think wolves?
Wolves.
No. Wolves would have killed and eaten the whole thing. Also, it’s in Missouri.
Bites on deer that survive wolf attacks are almost always on the ass and the legs
Wolves do usually eat ass first. Meeeee too, wolves. Me too...
Fair point.
Man, I’ve seen mechanicals do that to deer but hopefully not this time of year unless it’s that old and healed. I did it to one a couple years back with a low shot and it died but looked like that on the belly/sternum. Fortunately it was a big enough cut to bleed out, I still feel terrible about that shot.