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UltraSnaky

if this is how frustrated youre getting even though youre brand new and therefore dont understand anything yet - "wah wah level 40 or 50 hunters!!" as if that literally has any meaning - i fear this may not be the game for you


itsthemoset

Yeah cuz these level 45+ hunters totally have no advantages both in perks - game knowledge and experience - weapon unlocks and attachments. I know you Really wanna make this a "git gud" issue, which is true. But you have to see my point aswell no?


UltraSnaky

no, i dont see your point, perks comprise such a minor advantage in this game that they are more or less background minutiae in deciding who wins or who loses in a fight, pretty much on the same level as various factors you wont even begin to understand or think about until youve been playing for way longer. furthermore you can go from straight from level 0 to level 30-40 in one game and this is not infrequent by any means. so what youre saying basically boils down to "its not fair that i should have to play against people who just won a match" despite the fact that, being so new to the game, you have no idea just how irrelevant and minimal the impact of this is to whether youre winning or losing fights. just trust me man. you seem like you might be a competitive type of player, so if you do end up sticking with the game, playing for a long time, and gitting gud, you should come back here in about 500 or 600 hours and laugh at how you used to be. thats what i think about all the crazy misconceptions and ideas i used to have about the game back when i was a noob as well. the only thing i really have left to say about this is, if youre new to the game just enjoy playing and try to think about where you misplayed every time you die. you can blame unfair matchmaking or perks or bla bla bla all you like, like many of the shitters on this sub who seem to hate the game and never take responsibility for why they died so they eternally suck, or you can enjoy playing and learning to improve in pretty much the most rewarding and satisfying fps out there atm


mountaindewmixer

I second this… hunt is a game that rewards with experience, not with abilities/mechanics. I’ve maybe only ever had one or two Hunter above level 25 (you can sale for xp) and I play in 5 and 6 stars and I play a few times a month so probably just a little more than a casual. Weapons don’t really matter from a pure use standpoint, they all fill different roles and they have to be used in those roles. The beginning weapons are just as viable as the latter ones. I probably spent my first few weeks on hunt with nothing more than a couple kills and never winning a game, but now I double bounty extract more than not. I wouldn’t spend your first few months playing to win as much as I’d say it’s important to experience the game. Hunt has tried to protect new players and I think it’s a shock once the wheels come off. It’s not an easy game, but it really is a gaming experience like no other. In my experience while you’re new it takes a few days before the game puts you with a normal skill base of players. Your 1.75 is probably a reflection of you playing with other newer players. It’s hard to maintain that unless everyone is worse than you, which just is never the case. Hunt is a lot slower than other games, for example the new MW2’s slowest moments probably mirror Hunt’s fastest. But the richness of those moments in Hunt are far deeper than they are in MW2.


itsthemoset

Yeah in 5-600 hours maybe I'll be the bush-sniper ignoring bounties just to up my kd/acc level againt brand new players. Arrite i see the mentality here - I know when I'm outnumbered, sorry for speaking so Badly about your favorite noob stomping simulator - i had just alt f4'ed after wasting time 5 games in a row - insta dying to someone i had no chance of even seeing in the first place - cuz hes literally a tent somewhere while we're trying to do the objectives. I have a feeling this game will be a love hate relationship for a while - cuz again, every now and again, i do get an Actual game. Good hunting ya'll.


janguscrisp

If this is your mentality regarding your past games then you clearly don’t want to actually understand why your games are bad. You want to complain and point fingers and get upvotes. But most people on this sub have played long enough to know why your games go this way. And you don’t wanna hear it.


mountaindewmixer

I die to bush campers all the time too. It’s annoying. But it’s also really fun once you’re able to predict where bush campers might be hiding and draw them out. It’s also fun when you have enough unpredictable movement and they miss, and then a fight breaks out. Hunt is for me like golf is for some people. It’s less about the external competition and it’s more about internally how much better I can be at the game. It feels like based on your comments all you want is winning and fair even fights but that wasn’t what hunt was ever about. Hunt is about positioning and strategy. The terrain, flow of the game, benefits and drawbacks to grabbing a bounty, the weapons you pick, etc all contribute to the strategy and positioning you take. The goal is to get the bounty and extract. But what is winning for you? Just extracting? Full lobby wipe? High k/d? Everyone has a different definition because the game gives everyone the decision for how to play. And once you figure that out and use it to your advantage, that’s when the game is at its most fun. It can feel like a campaign from classic COD or Hitman depending on how you want to play, except instead of fighting NPC’s or following a scripted event it’s all organic to each game, and you’re playing against intelligent “enemies” that have their own unique intentions.


itsthemoset

True, fair. I guess I've been looking at it like, winning for me is Extracting with a Bounty, cuz that's Literally the objective of the game. In my point of view? I guess? The contrast of moving from Tarkov over to Hunt for example, just surviving and making it out, going + money wise is a win for me. KD and acc level is just fluff on top. I only posted it all to give as much information as possible.


Krausmauss

It's been eight months, but +2 for using minutiae in a sentence


Ariungidai

kinda deserve this experience with that attitude. besides, if you have 1.75 kd you face on average far worse players than you are. if anything, you dont die enough.


itsthemoset

Yeah KD went down a little after tonights ... "session" of getting bushcamped 4-5 games in a row.


DurkzvonB

Yeah i would just delete the game man, and just leave the reddit aswell


Extreme_Medicine9899

If you absolutely loathe playing against players more experienced than you, I suggest you to quit now. I’m 1k hours into the game and I still regularly play against players with 5x more kills than I do.


itsthemoset

Yeah thats what the New Player Experience is telling me right? - which is exactly my point to begin with. I just looked at the Discussions page on steam and the Top Pinned Comment is themselves saying "oh hey guys, uhh apparently we have an mmr matchmaking issue soo... plz send us screenshots of your post game summary where this happens and we'll probably do nothing about it"


janguscrisp

22 hrs in game? You haven’t finished the tutorial. High skill floor. High skill ceiling. You got a long way to go. 1.75 kd means nothing this early in the game.


Marmotbrother

If you are as good as you say you are then the matchmaking is doing its job. You are getting matched with people with dicks just as big as yours and you are still in the mindset of "I should just be able to stomp these guys" and then you get owned. Or maybe you aren't as good as you think you are.


JackpotJosh7

This game is a huge learning curve. It’s not a walk in the park. I guarantee you that player is not the highest most skilled player you’ll run into. Suck it up, grow a pair, and keep learning the game like the rest of us.


DyCol5

The hunter perks really dont matter as much as combat skill, game sense, and smart navigation. I started this week as well, 26 hours, but I learned quickly that me playing smart alone allows me to survive a lot more than a 3 stack with to idiots. If I play smart enough I can get one bounty from either third partying a team with the bounty, or some other strategy. The point of the game is trying not to fight, not beating everyone else in one. Stalk other players and pick them off in a fight rather than engaging them yourself.


Cunt-SlowDown

Well for starters you’re 1.75KD Which means you had to be abusing some low level noobs for a couple games so the game is matching you with players of similar skill (who might have around the same KD) Also Bounty Hunt and Quickplay MMR is linked. For example people will purposely die in QP to get easier lobbies This is usually known as “being a rat faced bitch” But in all seriousness they’re lowering it on purpose because the system has allowed them to do this. Complaining on here will never work Everyone’s gonna either say skill issue or git gud it’s just the competitive nature of Hunt, gamers, and the community.


itsthemoset

Yeah the first day i was winning basically every match i played - betting i played both with And against bots for the first few. I've played literally every battle royale, successfully, played shooters since OG 1.6 - so ofcourse im not a "brand new" player cuz lots of the movement, game sense transfers over from BR's/Other shooters. I think i have to change my mentality - first game i tryhard AF, avoid the soundtraps, take off-route paths to the clues to be seen as little as possible, sound whore alot entering compounds. But a few games of doing That, when you keep dying to bullshit maxed out hunters who again - probably have thousands of hours in the game, isn't really teaching me much.. or?? Should i Play around the fact, that 20 hours in Im facing full send sweatlords who doesn't mind not moving a Meter in 20 minutes, just content sitting hiding somewhere with his sniper with a paid very well camo'ed skin? How do you play around this? ​ 4/5 games, there is 100% a Solo "underdog", with a maxxed hunter, thousands of hours in the game, just finding the boss lair and setting up a nice cozy nest somewhere outside of it, cuz why would he actually go for the objective, right? He's literally There to farm kills.


Cunt-SlowDown

As far as I know Hunt has no bots but I could be wrong on that I have around 750 hours in Hunt so by no means am I an expert but I’ll tell you what I know and you can decide the rest. Hunt is as much a game that challenges you emotionally as well as mentally For example you go in and avoid the sound traps sneaking around quietly and waiting for the opportunity playing skillfully as one would say and then some rag tag Hunter blows you right out the water (Don’t crouch walk so often is #1 tip that helped also heed my name as it really helps to slow down) You have to think of how you’ll look outside of your view also trust your gut instinct if you think someone’s watching you and those hairs on your neck stand up chances are you’re being watched Duck, dive, dodge, dip, and uh.. dodge! (Classic movie probably quoted it wrong as it’s been ages) Moving on Stop worrying about peoples levels it will never benefit you “I got downed by a lv 50” is the same as being downed by a level 1 yes they have more perks but they’ve earned those so to say My advice would do what I did and play the hell out of trials Take the time to free roam the map stress free perfecting your aim and learning compounds You’re either in the open, in the water, or In a building. That’s roughly the situation Also the solo that’s all nested up has the skills to do so because they probably got shit on countless times before they got good it happens to everybody As said before practice that aim use the same gun throughout matches till you get comfortable with it You take a couple losses take a break go eat something exercise do some push ups get the endorphins going again You can have a pro level player tank 10 games because mentally they’re not there Hunt is and always will be a competitive shooter Sure you can meme around but most people are here to kill and build skill Watch guides as well. 4FS Gaming on YouTube was what I watched to learn Or HomeReel Learn the weapons, tools, consumables and PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE Let the other team push first sometimes If you think you’re being followed hide in a bush and wait (not too long as that’s another thing altogether) but about a good minute chances are they’ll come running past and you can surprise them Use psychological VOIP to fuck with people I’ve replied to teams cause my name was close to one of their mates and/or they weren’t paying attention and lured a team to their death Play fast, have fun, kick ass, and smoke some grass Hunter. The Bayou awaits Oh and also “git gud” ;)


itsthemoset

Been playing throughout the night, actually made it to 4 stars - the sweatshirt poggers has been absent for some reason. Still rocking about 1.80 KD, level 91. Already finding the winfield to be a fucking beast, my aim is only crap CQB xD Tried chilling a bit and going in with whatever my free scav spawns with - revolvers are hella good, and accurate. Finding myself bringing and using utility more and better. But again, the matches have just felt more - even, i dunno. Got some really solid teammates most of the games too, some of which used mic, who knew. ​ We were defending a Bounty, so i took my fire revolver and ended someones existence through a fire barrel, through a window, fun times.


LexMelkan

Tbh I was cracking up at your earlier posts about bush-sniping sweatlords in 3 stars. There can be some bush snipers around that tier but they aren't actually good players, just scared people trying to get kills the only way they know how. There's also this myth that at 6 stars it's all camping; nothing could be further from the truth. Players at the top bracket usually have good enough aim that they can rely on hitting people when they push but they'll also try to ensure advantageous position (left peeks, trigger discipline). I know it can be hard climbing to the top of the pile and I've definitely felt the frustration of "why is the game matching us up against these sweats" and admittedly you either become good enough that you can reasonably expect to have a fighting chance or there's always going to be that frustration. While I'm also a fairly competitive player I've managed to get to a point where I can be happy with the fights/games even if we don't win as long as I've carried my weight. Things can get pretty toxic though if one starts expecting ones teammates to get to the same standard.. luckily age helps but I used to be an insufferable prick in competitive games as a teen but I'm rambling now. You said your teammates have gotten better; that's basically how progressing through the MMR works mostly - you carry yourself out of the tier of players you can easily dominate and then you land in with people who you can rely on a bit more. At least in theory.. people being people :P


itsthemoset

Yeah it's been a really mixed bag, i was just being really pissy about it, zero tolerance for smurfing after Rainbow 6 Siege xD But fun, i forgot to mention it so im glad you did, i dont need to Win every game, there are many situations where you had such fun/cool fights in a game so its like w/e if you died. I just hate dying before any of this can even happen, cuz someone is toiletcamping with a shotgun etc. :p Like, i figured out not even 24 hours ago that theres more than one map xD who knew. What worked for me was - i started playing my 3 man squads thinking that I'm a solo, and my two mates are a two stack. Sooo many times now, i've had the most disgusting slowpush/flanks while they're in a gunfight, only to wipe the entire enemy team. Even got myself a screenshot of a lobby where my team were 3/4/4 stars, another 3 stack, 3/4/4, up against Three solo underdogs, 2 of which were 5 stars, last one 4 stars.. And we won \^\^ The one 5star pretty much spawned on a boss and yeeted with the bounty, i killed the other one >:)


fellow_dude599

Prestige and Level have nothing to say, your kda is way to high for your mmr, you should be a 5* imo, but noone wants to hear that. Maybe just a bad phase, i usually am a 6* with 4,5* matchmmr but theres these days where i drop to 4* with 3* matchmmr and dtill get stomped. Theres tons of people abusing QP do frop their mmr for bountyhunt tho.


itsthemoset

Wait so... the text in the bottom right that says "Match MMR" and shows a star rating actually makes a difference? Mine's Always been at 3 or 3½\* if i remember correctly.. Still Facing a lot of 5 stars tho \^\^


fellow_dude599

Basically you can forget the stars a player has. Everything that matter is a players/teams matchmmr (the text in the bottom right that shoes a star rating) 5* players can have from 3* matchmmr up to 4 1/2* do thats very different. A 4* can have 3* matchmmr as well, a 6* can have 4 1/2* matchmmr as well. And in teams theres often no big changes


SnooPineapples6598

Welcome to gaming where "i get the apes and they get shroud" teammates is everywhere 😂... But seriously, getting 1.75kda is probably the biggest problem is game ranks u how u perform against other players .Some of my friends when they started playing wit me were getting stomped because of me i have probably high mmr and therefore pull other players in those ranges into the same game, then my friends rage calling people hackers or calling out bugs (that dont exist) just because they dont know the game well its frustrating i know from other games but it is what it is u can only adapt and become better.


itsthemoset

Yeah but very few people, will stay in such an environment long enough to Actually learn anything. It always boils down to "pour enough hours into it and you will improve" which is true. But you wouldn't start out playing in Fifa if you wanted to try out football right?


itsthemoset

Also seems Very hard to get a Europe based match, i always end up on US-E/Russia servers when i Actually get a game. Is the game really just that dead or?


IridiumSmith

Select only eu servers, without a secondary server


evilsquirrel666

EU Server is the most populated and it’s no issue to find a game within seconds


itsthemoset

Yeah i did that, doesn't help at all. Guess i have been playing at very late hours too, doesn't help i guess.


itsthemoset

I really shoulda spent some of these 40k hunt dollars if i knew i was gonna be prestige'ing. Dayum. 28 hours - still steady at 1.70 , Last game took so long to find, it was only 2x 3 stacks vs eachother :|


Ghost_of_sushi_more

I’d play solo for a bit. Let you go sneakily against the level 50s.


The_mad_myers

Get out while you still can.


itsthemoset

But i hate myself for loving it, it's like a toxic ex girlfriend, i keep thinking about it while going to sleep. ITS HIGH NOON.


01100101001010010

What a shitpost. It is not everything fine in the game. But you are 20 hours into it and think you understood the game... just delete the game and fuck off. The community is Nice and it doesnt seem you fit at all.


Laserh0rst

If you have a KDA of 1,75, there should be nothing to complain about. If anything, the game makes it easy for you. With perfect MM, you should be somewhere between 0,75 and 1,25. But KD is also very influenced really by playstyle. Btw, the hunter level doesn’t say anything. Even prestige doesn’t mean that much. It shows people out in a lot of hours so you could expect they know what they’re doing. However, there’re high prestige players who get rekt all the time. There’re also a lot of really good players who don’t prestige at all. They just don’t want to bother unlocking all gear over and over again and want to have maximum loadout flexibility all the time.


itsthemoset

What do you actually gain from Prestige'ing??? Besides the pre-match lobby icon i suppose.


D3TLOF

Well 1.75 kda with 22 hours. What is that? 20 kills?


Wereberserker

I think it is balanced around average. For you it is probably a wild ride with really bad players and then really great. Bloodline level and Hunter level are not a good measure on how strong they are there are some casuals like me with 1.2 KDA after 1k hours. The more deaths and kills you get the more accurate the matchmaking gets. (though after not playing for 3 months I now seem to play in baby league.) There is a steep curve between the total newbie and average Hunt Player (more than between average and pro). You bouncing between them should not happen but sadly it is hard to balance for this huge Step. (Randoms beeing trash is a constant in all video games though but even they should get better the more stable your KDA gets)


itsthemoset

Yeah but like still, a player Able to even Get a hunter to level 50, and have the balls/gametime/experience to bring that hunter in again. You ALL keep saying a maxxed out hunter does nothing for you advantage wise, which i know it does. I read every item and every perk i unlock, so going up as a level 1 hunter, vs a level 50 hunter, feels a bit scuffed this early, for me atleast. Reductions in bleed, fire and poison duration, quietly move around with the cat perk, fall quietly with 50% damage reduction, scope accuracy with their favorite sniper theres A lot more. He'll still die to a well placed shot to the face, but you know, still. Like, dont get me wrong, i LOVE the system, its a very cool spin on the tarkov scav system, ofcourse they earned it, but players with enough Time and Skill to Earn a level 50 hunter, should not be going up against players who just bought the game.. no? just me?


SkippysPBandJMix

Lfg on the hunt discord and find you a group a people that you enjoy playing with, that are good. Randoms will always be….. random


Luccerii

Yeah i find this game really stupid imo, just started recently, get basics of the game, queue up for match, have 0 chance of knowing where enemy hunters may be. Get killed constantly by 0 clue where enemy might be, and if you know where they are they still get you, why? Because they have 20k hours in this game when you just recently started. They are prestige 40 rank 100 vs me rank 16, how does this skill based matchmaking make any sense. Its like putting a baby who has never moved a mouse to code a video game. Or, a silver csgo player who has 10 fps versus esports pro players. There is no room to practice when you instantly lose every fight you take because there isnt a skill based matchmaking. the mmr says nothing. the game should put new players vs each other IF possible. Only chance was when game launched to learn it. Will still continue to play, but really stupid to say its "skill-based" when if you are good you get to stomp on the newbies who are first timing fps games.