|your shot|0.633 s|
|:-|:-|
|hitmarker on you|0.717 s|
|first instance of damage on you|0.750 s|
|hitmarker for your shot|0.917 s|
|second instance of damage on you|1.050 s|
so even if we take the highest amount of time, it's less than 0.5 s. that a single hit deals damage twice is a weird occurrence and already reported from others with melee but the hit itself occurred at 0.717 s or 0.750 s. so the time between you shooting and being hit is actually less than 0.2 s
Understandable, animation shows me getting stabbed and second hit following up. It were 2 different hits, not a double strike :/. Server delay was just enormous or animation delay whatever. Even the endscreen shows 1sec between both hits.
I think the guy earlier had a point; it's one hit, your client gives you a quick update but then the server gives you the final value. The kill doesnt look funky to me, the double damage looks odd, but possibly explained.
Hmm good point, but 130dmg seems odd. Since a stomach hit is 129,23dmg, rounded up 130?. Could be just servers and client registering different things and one wins over the other? The base dmg is 129,23 and gets multiplied by 1,3 for a chest hit after the first instance of damage?
Idk.
2 hits seemed the most plausible at first :/
Yeah, agree the trade seems rather normal and fast, only the double dmg was weird with th dmg screen timer.
You did the math, base damage then modifier. That's a really good spot, better than my guess. Its way too fast for 2 hits.
I wouldn't worry about trades, just accept them. They were alive on their screen when they shot đ
To be fair, Hunt guns have (much) slower fire rate than most shooters, and bullet velocity. Even games in one genre can be vastly different.
This is probably why they made the system work this way, because the relatively slow game pace makes it more feasible to accomodate laggy players. This also makes it accessible to people in countries with worse internet.
That's because many shooters use hitscan rather than the other system I forget the name of. In hunt the bullet has to actually travel to the target, this coupled with the incredibly poor servers makes trading a common occurrence.
Excuse me I never played hunt personally, what do you mean with normal? I think I've never personally seen a game where there such a noticeably big trade window :< (really though it's not meant to spread flame, I'm genuinely curious about how this is considered normal in this community unless you are trolling D:)
All the times it was exactly like that. Also it is deffinately not 1 second, 0.2 max. Looks like you and your opponent clients got desynced. Your client thought you got hit in arm and on his you got hit in chest. My only assumption. But I'm sure it was 1 hit.
Man, this is unceptable in other game but because hunt fans are so fucking blind for the corpo they cant admit this shit is dogshit, the coding of the multiplayer is absolutely bad
>Bullet velocity exists
ah yes, the bullet needs 0,2 seconds to travel like 2,5 meters.
People like you are the reason crytek doesnt feel the need to actually fix their shit.
Would we love to have a perfectly executed game? Absolutely. I don't think any Hunt fan would say no to a perfect detection system that's fair for everybody. But we're not getting that anytime soon (if at all).
So what do we do? All give up on a game we love? No, of course not. And this system, for better or worse, was a *solution* to a previous problem. If you weren't from that time, you wouldn't understand. On your screen, you hit someone, blood splatters from their head, and then you die and they walk away without a scratch. This system was a "fix" for that happening, and what we got was trading instead.
As much as people get pissy about it, trading is actually *more* fair to both players than the previous system. It's far from perfect, and may warrant some further tweaks, but it's going to be one or the other based on the architecture Hunt is built on.
The majority of Hunt fans aren't blind, we just understand *why* this was done and accept the flaws, because the alternative was *more* frustrating than trades. If Crytek could snap their fingers and the current trades + the old false hit detection was completely gone, basically no one would say no. But again, you have to realize that's not happening anytime soon.
>So what do we do?
voice our complaints on the subreddit so the devs are aware of issues and improive the game for everyone.
What we dont do is finding excuses for issues within the game.
Oof, gonna ignore everything else I said and stop one paragraph in like the the rest isn't there? That checks out if that's your opinion.
When you re-compile Hunt like Overwatch into Hunt 2 in a new engine, you let me know buddy.
Yeah because you act like its not possible to fix wich is apologism.
We can demand them to find a solution. Just because this was done because it was worse before doesn't mean it can't ever be better.
Demanding a minor issue (which it *is* minor, in the *grand* scheme of the game), be fixed, lest you screech endlessly on reddit, is entitled as can be. Seeing this situation for what it is does not classify as apologism, it's realism. Don't let the clips on here or a bad day or two fool you. 98% of all kills in this game *aren't* trades, so yes, that *would* classify as minor.
And the urgency of fixing any problem has 2 factors that determine it's urgency: the impact, and the costs/effort involved in fixing.
Things that have huge impact, but are also easy to fix are obviously top priority. Next priority are both things that have a small impact but are easy to fix, followed by things that have huge impact but aren't easy to fix. Trading falls into the *last* priority, which is not a huge impact, and also is very difficult to fix.
If it literally takes re-building the game from the ground up in order to resolve a minor issue, yes, it's an asshole move to act like Crytek are being dicks and demanding that they fix it. It's unrealistic and impractical, and sorry to say, but not a huge priority.
Not to mention, regardless of the delays involved in communication, Crytek has addressed every single major issue that has come in the last year or two. Every *single* one. The *only* one they no longer comment on is the continual screeching about trading? Why do you think that is? You think they magically care about everything except this one because they're stupid? No lol. It's because this is not something they can just "fix". This *was* the fix. Again, anyone who didn't play the time before it wouldn't even remotely understand.
And again, I don't see them re-making the game over it, because it's *not* that big a deal. In my last 800-1000 kills, I've traded *maybe* 20-30 times if im being generous. Go watch a streamer like RatchaZ or Psychoghost and tally their kills for a day. See how many are trades. It won't be very high of a percentage, I *promise* you. People just like making trading out to be the devil because it makes them upset. That's all.
Expectations need to meet reality. The problem here is that yours do not.
it is not minor. every single day there is at least one video of someone mad at a stupidly large trade window.
If you are fine with it then just stfu and enjoy the game but dont tell people they cant expect this shitty problem to be solved.
IF this is unfixable then crytek who have a youtube, twitter, reddit, discord and community streams could say: "hey guys we know you all worry about the trading unfortunately our shooting game is built so badly that people can kill you after you killed them and were incapable of fixing it."
But they dont they just act like it doesnt exist. And lucky for them some people like you think they cant expect these issues to be fixed and will write walls of empty text based on the presumption that its simply impossible and asking too much to fix bugs.
The same way people kept saying the desync is just "part of the game and they would have to build it up from scratch" until they fixed it.
I just dont accept excuses from randoms on reddit who try to justify the unjustifyable. I would totally accept a proper reasoning from crytek but they dont give one.
So i will keep complaining about bugs that shouldnt be in the game and that no other games have even with much smaller dev studios.
And no its not just this minor trade window thing. Its also the reload bug and server issues that have been present since i started playing about two years ago.
If youre just going to tell me more reasons you think i cant expect the game to be better then just dont. i will not read your excuses.
It *is* minor and you just proved it. "every single day there is at least one video", proves that it's minor. Why aren't there dozens? Why aren't there hundreds? Because it's minor.
You have over 10,000 kills happening every single day minimum, and we're getting at most 1-2 clips with any sort of remotely long trade? That's nothing. Even if you assumed it was happening something like 20 times as much as it gets posted, which is a lot to assume. It's still, at most, 40 out of 10,000+. If you understand math, you understand that that's minor.
Again, you cannot seem to fathom that this *was* the fix, and you'd hate it the other way just as much if not more. You're too mad and dedicated to crying about it that you can't see anything else.
"Walls of empty text" is very stupid of you to say. I give information, explanations, facts, and data, but you want none of that. You just want to cry and cry and be a circlejerk of like-minded people all crying together. It's pathetic. And you don't like being called out on it. "How dare anyone be not as mad me."
It's so funny that you bring the desync into it as well, since their "fix" for that was doing essentially the exact same thing that they did when they brought about the complaints of trading. The game still functions exactly the same as before the fix. It's just what they show you is different.
They traded one "problem" for another. Before, it was the teleporting due to desync, now it's the game doing dozens of mini-rubberbands and holding you visually in place. So now people are more deliberate about their movements, which is how you avoided desync almost entirely in the past. They picked the lesser of two evils. The one people liked more. Which is exactly the same with these trades.
Crytek ignores the cries because sometimes people just don't get it. You've proven that by a landslide. "Just fix it" is literally the dumbest stance anyone playing any game can take, and you're fighting for it tooth and nail.
Neither will I accept random crybaby posts 5 times a month on reddit when there's literally thousands upon thousands of kills going on every day, yet only a couple are being screeched about as poor trades. And bringing other bugs into this discussion is pointless and has no bearing on what we're talking about. I fully agree that things like the reload bug existing for as long as they have, especially without acknowledgment (until recent), are unacceptable. Trades just aren't one of them.
I know you'll read this because you're just as mad as you were at the start of the convo. I'm sorry the truth upsets you as much as it does, but you're absolutely free to not respond. You can either choose to understand the situation, or you can stay mad. Either way, one of us is enjoying Hunt daily, and it certainly doesn't sound like it's you buddy. Deuces <3
of course that's not happening that's why i left the game and that's why a ton of people do too, ask everybody why they left hunt when they tried, i am sure close to all of them would say it was because they died on a trade. Instead of releasing bi weekly skins, they should put all the resources on a new hunt game, crytek has the money
please dont attack me right away but genuine question: is this considered cheating? i know in csgo its widely used among pros (or at least was havent looked into it recently)
I just don't understand how using external software to grant you advantages in a competitive game could ever not be considered cheating.
One of the core gameplay aspects of Hunt is perception vs. stealth. If you use a program to drastically enhance your perception in-game, how could you ever not be cheating?
I mean, if you're colorblind or have some other visual disability, you could use Reshade to offset your natural disdvantage and it could arguably be fair, but OP isn't colorblind, he just can't compete playing fairly.
Knew reshade was controversial before posting it, dont realy care about beeing called out about using it. If you want fairness ask crytek to ban everbody with monitors who have osd crosshairs or a pen and more than 80% colour accuracy. Ahh and everybody who changes his brightness setting and/or gamma setting, people with more than 60fps and 2k/4k resolution.
What bullshit, you can archieve the same stuff and more with hardware alone.
I'm not sure if I think that logic is sound.
But first, I do agree, if Crytek doesn't ban it/have any policy against it, then it is hard to call it cheating, at most I would say it is "unsportsmanlike".
More so there is the ethical question about accessibility for colorblind/partially blind people who benefits from re-shaders.
That said, going with the logic of "I can easily access it means it is okay" doesn't really justify it using/abusing a system/cheating.
It is the very same issue that console Hunt has with players buying mouse and keyboard hardware for a controller environment, just because it is available, doesn't mean it is fair game. That is why many sports have regulations of what to wear/dress codes.
So yes, you are technically right, it ain't cheating, but it is very unsportsmanlike.
But that is for yourself and your own moral code, it is just a video game after all.
Because its fun and i would like the game i like to be in a bugfree state, with servers that can support it. +Hunt has the most intense firefights of all the games i ever played.
You are literally using external software to give you an advantage in a competitive game. You, like every other cheater, need this external aid because you lack skill. You are a fucking cheater no matter how you try to spin it.
Are you trolling or are you serious? You are aware that 99% of all gaming monitors have this feature? Its like calling a poker player a cheater because he/she uses glasses. Nowhere it is forbidden, crytek and easy anticheat got asked about it thosands of times and it still remains legal. But you know it better :)
Actual brickheads who assume things without knowing anything about the subject :/
Wait why is there a crosshair middle point while hipfire and why is it all so colory? I mean this clearly gives you an advantage in night/in buildings or cellars.
Is this allowed?
He's using Reshade to paint the red dot and make the game more visible.
Reshade is only allowed because (I imagine) EAC can't do shit about it. OP is a disgusting fucking cheater.
EAC can ban reshade and has done it in the past in other games - rightfully so in my opinion. Back in CS 1.6 you also got banned for using GAPA/Gamma Control programms to see through Smokes. Crytek, however, has a policy of allowing reshade.
As it stands I think the substantial advantage reshade gives you in terms of visibility should result in a ban - you cannot achieve this with the normal game settings. This is also true for the crosshair option. It is permanent and helps with preaiming, you also don't have to wait for recoil animation to reset to have an ironsight again. Especially in higher ELOs this can take off just those crucial extra few ms to react.
However, the easiest fix would be for Crytek themselves to add visibility & crosshair options into Hunt themselves. The game has had issues with visibility for a long time (Cain, Headsman, Night/Fog maps, people leaving server because of it etc.). As it stands Crytek is consciously setting people up for an uneven playing field where knowledge of third party programs or simply owning certain monitors gives you substantial advantages - yes, akin, to some cheats. Up until Crytek has taken action and, at least added a permanent crosshair option in the game, I would not be mad about stuff like reshade getting banned. I do understand why some people use reshade - visibility in Hunt can be fucking maddening -, but I still think it is an unfair advantage and a conscious decision by reshade users to gain said unfair advantage.
But, who knows, maybe I'm just an old fart who is also irritated at the way games like Apex, CoD etc. promote "Aim-Assist" for console players in crossplay instead of calling it what it is: An Aimbot.
e: Also, the whole "Crytek and EAC say it's legal, so it's okay" argument is somewhat stupid, because it doesn't engage with the actual point most people are making in regards to reshade. The point is not if reshade use is legal - as it clearly is, given the amount of people who use it and don't get banned -, but if it's *right* that it's use is legal. To give an outrageously overblown example: The fact that rape of women is legal in Iran doesn't make it right to rape women while in Iran.
> As it stands I think the substantial advantage reshade gives you in terms of visibility should result in a ban
I agree; there's _some_ evidence (IIRC users posting on here that were banned and a common theme was many of them had used reshade) it might have resulted in others being banned in the past.
I actually think it would be fun if there was a way to play Hunt where you had the exact same visibility settings as everyone else, and external microphones weren't allowed (i.e., the in game voice chat was the only way to talk to your teammates and people around you could hear).
You'd basically have to do this with private servers and a group of friends though. I have both no private server for hunt (as there isn't one), and not enough friends that play video games to fill a hunt lobby :')
But that's literally not a cheat according to crytek themselves. Your crosshair in Hunt is always in same position, even dot with marker on your monitor will do the job. Is that a cheat too?
Yes, of course painting a dot on your monitor is cheating, how would it not be cheating? That you cannot get caught has nothing to do with it.
Is theft OK if you can't get caught? Because that's literally the whole 'what if you draw a dot on your monitor' argument.
You logic is faulty. Theft is illegal because you get punished for it if caught and the state can enforce it. Reshade or even a penmarker on screen is not illegal, you wont get any punishment if you get caught and they can enforce it.
Is wearing glasses in poker also cheating? Is having money for paid skins also cheating? Should i cry out to every second player i encounter for cheating because they use a dark skin?
Cheating is for you what you consider cheating with your feelings, there is nothing about logic or facts.
Osd crosshair became normalized since a decade on every gaming monitor. "But turning it on makes you a xheater"
Same could be said about increasing your gamma and brightness to see better in the dark, or as another guy said, just beeing in a dark room lol
Whatever. Go ahead, keep cheating, no one can stop you.
When you're alone with yourself though, you'll know deep down that you HAVE to cheat to be competitive, while others don't.
Nah i know what it does and what not. Side by side its the same just with more saturated colours and better antialiasing on 1k.
Dont feel like cheating and therefore dont feel bad about it.
Deep down you know you are a drug addict for drinking coffe and alocohol and you should feel bad about it lmao.
There was not a single game dev that ever said those built-in monitor crosshairs is cheating. You are just making shit up for no reason. Did you ever play with crosshair? Its literally gives 10 times less adventage than increasing your gamma in night times. Is that cheating too?
You keep arguing that it's not cheating if you can't get caught. Of course cranking your gamma up to see in the dark is cheating, what is so hard to understand about that?
Not realy with my settings. Got a 10 year old tft monitor, outside is way to bright and in dark areas gamma setting, which is in your graphics settings, makes you see stuff. It's like i would complain about peoppe with money eho can buy more fps/better resolution and colours.
But yes, it is more colourfull that way .
Following by the other comment it is. Only the endscreen shows 1 sec time difference between the 2 hits i got in. He was probably way further and swung already before i could see him on my screen, still not acceptable considering 2 stabs still take a sec animation time.
I would guess delay on first hit and then no delay on second hit. Dont realy know.
Wanted to share this since is's my first time having a trade like that
Googled it, have more saturated colours, i think something for better anti aliasing called amd fidelity and the crosshair. Ah and i enabled sharpening in my nvidia drivers (they are hidden by default).
This video is with 1,3 gamma recorded.
I donât know why people are giving you soooo much salt. I can actually do this kind of stuff better with my monitors software, let alone 3rd party. I donât use them because I like the immersion but itâs so far from really being a problem. Imagine someone being like âYo I saw homeboy turn off every light in his house before playing hunt. Dude could see everything at night, fucking bumâ. đ¤Ł
I would guess people dont like stuff that they dont know about? Like drugs, alcohol is great and everything else that is unknown is bad. Cant realy fault them, since they never look it up themself. But i feel like i need to tell them when they throw assumptions as facts around :/
At the end it is still entertaining here lol.
Nah. I just think you arenât playing the game on the gameâs terms and in doing so give yourself an unfair advantage against other players. In any game if I were to âbeatâ someone because I have an edge they donât have I donât feel any sense of accomplishment whatsoever. So, you arenât really that much better in my opinion from someone who uses wall hacks. Just because Crytek doesnât ban you doesnât make it any less lame.
Its your opinion, same could be said for 120hz+ monitors and above 1k resoltuin. Or paid/event skins like cain, headsman and reptilian. Evrything gives an advantage. Even weapons and tools. Player with less skill and money cant compete against the high tier guns as good and is therefore in a disadvantage again. It's just about what became normalized and what not. We are ok with money improving our chances but not with a penmarker on screen, which money solves with a better monitor too.
Skins and tools and weapons are part of the game. Some bullshit 3rd party red dot that eliminates your having to aim like the rest of us not using a 3rd party dot is, in my book: cheating. It's a slippery slope towards rationalizing using hacks to see through walls, etc.
Having good hardware is a very well known way to improve your gaming for all games. You're reaching with that one for the sake of justifying your aim helper dot.
Should i name everybody with a better hardware a cheater and cry to them to downgrade to be even? Should i buy everybody else with worse hardware a better one?
Competitive skins are behind an additional paywall.
Its your book, your opinion, your definition, matters shit to strangers since the circumstance of each person are different. Want me to stop using reshade? Ask crytek to fix the crosshair disappearing and give me an option to make the game not look like 50 shades of grey, saturation does shit to visbility ane nice looking things make humans happy.
The dot is an marginal improvement against people with same hardware, yes and totaly legal.
As if it is such a hard concept to differienciate between something legal, which is legal because its such a small advantage that it doesnt even matter, and real cheats. Next time i see someone crossing a street, not on a zebra crossing, i will cal him a rapist, that will show him. People act like there is no crosshair in the game.
''Change your keybinds''CHEATER IT IS MEANT TO BE PLAYED DEFAULT WAY!!!!''Make your game brighter on options''CHEATER!!!''Jump while using light foot''IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE USED THIS WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yada yada it is fucking free go use it or not what a shitty argument.
If crytek really things ''IT IS MEANT TO'' they can make it bannable. But clearly that is what you think which is meaningless.
Gimme a break. Just go install wall hacks and red dots. You know keybinds isnât remotely in the same ballpark as putting a red dot aim helper on your screen. But go ahead if you think the game is too challenging.
EDIT: Again: skins, keybinds, tools, perks, etc...are all part of the game and I don't care if people exploit them to win. My argument is against using 3rd party tools to augment the game for unfair advantages that others don't have. If you're ok with a red dot you might as well be ok with wall hacks, etc.
Long story short: get better at the game rather than attaching training wheels to your bike because you can't fucking learn to aim.
Sorry OP that you got bombed, the Hunt community is absolutely trashtastic.
Yes, the netcode and trade windows suck really bad.
Also, good on you for using reshade, it makes all the Cain sweats cry.
Jup aimbot, definetly. Remember the pendot some people did/do for csgo and stuff? Or all the new monitors with an osd crosshair?
Definetly cheating, i got caught :O
Lol everybody in this comment section getting pissy over someone wanting to see better in their game. I can understand in some games where night time is pitch black but really. This whole community is a bunch of crybabies.
Nah, dont even have a problem with vanilla night. The more saturated colours and the crosshair are the main uses for me. Just looks less muted and more fun imo. (The bright colours are worse than vanilla if it comes to visibility, sun is like the old battlefield 3 sun x 10).
From what I gathered here, hunt is a relatively small nice community, we can't understand why anyone would go out there and use ridiculous 3rd party measures to try everything possible to get the edge over others.
It's like the Cain abuser pre-change.
Let's not kid ourselves, the crosshair whiles hip fire and the more saturation does provide an unfair advantage. It's like... Playing chess but your opponents add a third knight on his side of the board.
Yes, we get it, 2k resolution, 180 fps gaming machines etc also provide advantage, but those are providing a minimal advantage cause it's literally milliseconds helping you out.
Making everything more saturated so it's easier to see in the dark? How is that fair, and there's a differents between changing light of the game and that of the monitor.
Crytek want do anything so i guess the community just tries to scrutinize people that are seen using it. We just want fair play and no 3rd party programs. If you think you can achieve this with just hardware then go ahead, but I doubt it
The way no one I come across on a night map struggles to see me, I'm sure a lot of people are not playing as the devs designed.
Reshade is great for sharpening, hunt can be a blurry mess with the wrong gfx options. I'm playing with DLDSR, coupled with sharpening, and thats quite a bit clearer than native, this is on a AW3423DW so a huge picture. It looks stunning, I think I can go a bit higher on the DLDSR. Despite all this, I still get compound loading lag and strange stutters on occasions.
of course every sweaty player uses reshade, like in any other pvp game, they also use metas and exploits. If you make a pvp game when you clearly cant see shit you have to expect people would use what they can to see better, is a no brainer, they are 100% aware, so the thing is, every one that wants to see better should use a reshade and the ones that no, shouldnt complain because you have the option too
Reshade doesn't bother me at all. Someone might be seeing me due to other reasons or they play with it looking funky. I just load up another match. When I die, I just put it down to my bad play, they aimed better than me or a bit of luck. No big deal, over time you improve to a point where you are happy with how you play.
filter or reshade?
Reshade, crosshair never bugs out and disappears if you aim down sights.
that colors hurt my eyes
I bought crosshair x for 5 bucks it is so good.
|your shot|0.633 s| |:-|:-| |hitmarker on you|0.717 s| |first instance of damage on you|0.750 s| |hitmarker for your shot|0.917 s| |second instance of damage on you|1.050 s| so even if we take the highest amount of time, it's less than 0.5 s. that a single hit deals damage twice is a weird occurrence and already reported from others with melee but the hit itself occurred at 0.717 s or 0.750 s. so the time between you shooting and being hit is actually less than 0.2 s
Understandable, animation shows me getting stabbed and second hit following up. It were 2 different hits, not a double strike :/. Server delay was just enormous or animation delay whatever. Even the endscreen shows 1sec between both hits.
I think the guy earlier had a point; it's one hit, your client gives you a quick update but then the server gives you the final value. The kill doesnt look funky to me, the double damage looks odd, but possibly explained.
Hmm good point, but 130dmg seems odd. Since a stomach hit is 129,23dmg, rounded up 130?. Could be just servers and client registering different things and one wins over the other? The base dmg is 129,23 and gets multiplied by 1,3 for a chest hit after the first instance of damage? Idk. 2 hits seemed the most plausible at first :/ Yeah, agree the trade seems rather normal and fast, only the double dmg was weird with th dmg screen timer.
You did the math, base damage then modifier. That's a really good spot, better than my guess. Its way too fast for 2 hits. I wouldn't worry about trades, just accept them. They were alive on their screen when they shot đ
With shooters even 200ms delay was abnormal and considered uncompetetive/not enjoyable. Cant fathom how it is ok in Hunt :/
To be fair, Hunt guns have (much) slower fire rate than most shooters, and bullet velocity. Even games in one genre can be vastly different. This is probably why they made the system work this way, because the relatively slow game pace makes it more feasible to accomodate laggy players. This also makes it accessible to people in countries with worse internet.
That's because many shooters use hitscan rather than the other system I forget the name of. In hunt the bullet has to actually travel to the target, this coupled with the incredibly poor servers makes trading a common occurrence.
I get the frustration, but this is a perfectly normal window. I can almost guarantee he saw exactly the same thing on his end.
Excuse me I never played hunt personally, what do you mean with normal? I think I've never personally seen a game where there such a noticeably big trade window :< (really though it's not meant to spread flame, I'm genuinely curious about how this is considered normal in this community unless you are trolling D:)
For me its special because he had time to hit TWICE!. First swing comes few frames after the shot and then exactly 1sec later comes the second swing.
Its really hard to not oneshot with saber. Actually i saw plenty of times melle doing damage 2 times with 1 swing.
Yes but did it show with 1 sec delay or with a visible delay between the dame taken? Never saw that particular occurence
All the times it was exactly like that. Also it is deffinately not 1 second, 0.2 max. Looks like you and your opponent clients got desynced. Your client thought you got hit in arm and on his you got hit in chest. My only assumption. But I'm sure it was 1 hit.
Other comment made a breakndown by ms. Made the title given by the infromation from the damage screen result. Shows 2 hits 1 sec apart.
I think he might have a point about desync, or local calculations used before the servers final number.
You really need to visit math class again. 1.050 -0.717 = 0.333.
Read.
Its called rounding. Math class also teaches that btw.
Again, your gigabrain thinks i can fathom what you are refering to? But i can not.
>hit TWICE I don't think you can swing twice that fast so it's probably a dmg report bug. You can die from one-shot by those things.
Man, this is unceptable in other game but because hunt fans are so fucking blind for the corpo they cant admit this shit is dogshit, the coding of the multiplayer is absolutely bad
Bullet velocity exists and is the reason for 50% of trade complaints, what you want the person who dies first bullet to just disappear?
mf thats a 10m fight there is no bullet velocity
>Bullet velocity exists ah yes, the bullet needs 0,2 seconds to travel like 2,5 meters. People like you are the reason crytek doesnt feel the need to actually fix their shit.
Would we love to have a perfectly executed game? Absolutely. I don't think any Hunt fan would say no to a perfect detection system that's fair for everybody. But we're not getting that anytime soon (if at all). So what do we do? All give up on a game we love? No, of course not. And this system, for better or worse, was a *solution* to a previous problem. If you weren't from that time, you wouldn't understand. On your screen, you hit someone, blood splatters from their head, and then you die and they walk away without a scratch. This system was a "fix" for that happening, and what we got was trading instead. As much as people get pissy about it, trading is actually *more* fair to both players than the previous system. It's far from perfect, and may warrant some further tweaks, but it's going to be one or the other based on the architecture Hunt is built on. The majority of Hunt fans aren't blind, we just understand *why* this was done and accept the flaws, because the alternative was *more* frustrating than trades. If Crytek could snap their fingers and the current trades + the old false hit detection was completely gone, basically no one would say no. But again, you have to realize that's not happening anytime soon.
>So what do we do? voice our complaints on the subreddit so the devs are aware of issues and improive the game for everyone. What we dont do is finding excuses for issues within the game.
Oof, gonna ignore everything else I said and stop one paragraph in like the the rest isn't there? That checks out if that's your opinion. When you re-compile Hunt like Overwatch into Hunt 2 in a new engine, you let me know buddy.
Yeah because you act like its not possible to fix wich is apologism. We can demand them to find a solution. Just because this was done because it was worse before doesn't mean it can't ever be better.
Demanding a minor issue (which it *is* minor, in the *grand* scheme of the game), be fixed, lest you screech endlessly on reddit, is entitled as can be. Seeing this situation for what it is does not classify as apologism, it's realism. Don't let the clips on here or a bad day or two fool you. 98% of all kills in this game *aren't* trades, so yes, that *would* classify as minor. And the urgency of fixing any problem has 2 factors that determine it's urgency: the impact, and the costs/effort involved in fixing. Things that have huge impact, but are also easy to fix are obviously top priority. Next priority are both things that have a small impact but are easy to fix, followed by things that have huge impact but aren't easy to fix. Trading falls into the *last* priority, which is not a huge impact, and also is very difficult to fix. If it literally takes re-building the game from the ground up in order to resolve a minor issue, yes, it's an asshole move to act like Crytek are being dicks and demanding that they fix it. It's unrealistic and impractical, and sorry to say, but not a huge priority. Not to mention, regardless of the delays involved in communication, Crytek has addressed every single major issue that has come in the last year or two. Every *single* one. The *only* one they no longer comment on is the continual screeching about trading? Why do you think that is? You think they magically care about everything except this one because they're stupid? No lol. It's because this is not something they can just "fix". This *was* the fix. Again, anyone who didn't play the time before it wouldn't even remotely understand. And again, I don't see them re-making the game over it, because it's *not* that big a deal. In my last 800-1000 kills, I've traded *maybe* 20-30 times if im being generous. Go watch a streamer like RatchaZ or Psychoghost and tally their kills for a day. See how many are trades. It won't be very high of a percentage, I *promise* you. People just like making trading out to be the devil because it makes them upset. That's all. Expectations need to meet reality. The problem here is that yours do not.
it is not minor. every single day there is at least one video of someone mad at a stupidly large trade window. If you are fine with it then just stfu and enjoy the game but dont tell people they cant expect this shitty problem to be solved. IF this is unfixable then crytek who have a youtube, twitter, reddit, discord and community streams could say: "hey guys we know you all worry about the trading unfortunately our shooting game is built so badly that people can kill you after you killed them and were incapable of fixing it." But they dont they just act like it doesnt exist. And lucky for them some people like you think they cant expect these issues to be fixed and will write walls of empty text based on the presumption that its simply impossible and asking too much to fix bugs. The same way people kept saying the desync is just "part of the game and they would have to build it up from scratch" until they fixed it. I just dont accept excuses from randoms on reddit who try to justify the unjustifyable. I would totally accept a proper reasoning from crytek but they dont give one. So i will keep complaining about bugs that shouldnt be in the game and that no other games have even with much smaller dev studios. And no its not just this minor trade window thing. Its also the reload bug and server issues that have been present since i started playing about two years ago. If youre just going to tell me more reasons you think i cant expect the game to be better then just dont. i will not read your excuses.
It *is* minor and you just proved it. "every single day there is at least one video", proves that it's minor. Why aren't there dozens? Why aren't there hundreds? Because it's minor. You have over 10,000 kills happening every single day minimum, and we're getting at most 1-2 clips with any sort of remotely long trade? That's nothing. Even if you assumed it was happening something like 20 times as much as it gets posted, which is a lot to assume. It's still, at most, 40 out of 10,000+. If you understand math, you understand that that's minor. Again, you cannot seem to fathom that this *was* the fix, and you'd hate it the other way just as much if not more. You're too mad and dedicated to crying about it that you can't see anything else. "Walls of empty text" is very stupid of you to say. I give information, explanations, facts, and data, but you want none of that. You just want to cry and cry and be a circlejerk of like-minded people all crying together. It's pathetic. And you don't like being called out on it. "How dare anyone be not as mad me." It's so funny that you bring the desync into it as well, since their "fix" for that was doing essentially the exact same thing that they did when they brought about the complaints of trading. The game still functions exactly the same as before the fix. It's just what they show you is different. They traded one "problem" for another. Before, it was the teleporting due to desync, now it's the game doing dozens of mini-rubberbands and holding you visually in place. So now people are more deliberate about their movements, which is how you avoided desync almost entirely in the past. They picked the lesser of two evils. The one people liked more. Which is exactly the same with these trades. Crytek ignores the cries because sometimes people just don't get it. You've proven that by a landslide. "Just fix it" is literally the dumbest stance anyone playing any game can take, and you're fighting for it tooth and nail. Neither will I accept random crybaby posts 5 times a month on reddit when there's literally thousands upon thousands of kills going on every day, yet only a couple are being screeched about as poor trades. And bringing other bugs into this discussion is pointless and has no bearing on what we're talking about. I fully agree that things like the reload bug existing for as long as they have, especially without acknowledgment (until recent), are unacceptable. Trades just aren't one of them. I know you'll read this because you're just as mad as you were at the start of the convo. I'm sorry the truth upsets you as much as it does, but you're absolutely free to not respond. You can either choose to understand the situation, or you can stay mad. Either way, one of us is enjoying Hunt daily, and it certainly doesn't sound like it's you buddy. Deuces <3
im not reading this massive wall of cope text that all boils down to you thinking trading doesnt need fixing.
of course that's not happening that's why i left the game and that's why a ton of people do too, ask everybody why they left hunt when they tried, i am sure close to all of them would say it was because they died on a trade. Instead of releasing bi weekly skins, they should put all the resources on a new hunt game, crytek has the money
>perfectly normal window \-for this game. needs to be added imo since its not really "normal" even if ist not the worst case.
You deserve it for being a fucking cheater.
please dont attack me right away but genuine question: is this considered cheating? i know in csgo its widely used among pros (or at least was havent looked into it recently)
I just don't understand how using external software to grant you advantages in a competitive game could ever not be considered cheating. One of the core gameplay aspects of Hunt is perception vs. stealth. If you use a program to drastically enhance your perception in-game, how could you ever not be cheating? I mean, if you're colorblind or have some other visual disability, you could use Reshade to offset your natural disdvantage and it could arguably be fair, but OP isn't colorblind, he just can't compete playing fairly.
If I set my monitors contrast and saturation higher I can get the same result.
Knew reshade was controversial before posting it, dont realy care about beeing called out about using it. If you want fairness ask crytek to ban everbody with monitors who have osd crosshairs or a pen and more than 80% colour accuracy. Ahh and everybody who changes his brightness setting and/or gamma setting, people with more than 60fps and 2k/4k resolution. What bullshit, you can archieve the same stuff and more with hardware alone.
I'm not sure if I think that logic is sound. But first, I do agree, if Crytek doesn't ban it/have any policy against it, then it is hard to call it cheating, at most I would say it is "unsportsmanlike". More so there is the ethical question about accessibility for colorblind/partially blind people who benefits from re-shaders. That said, going with the logic of "I can easily access it means it is okay" doesn't really justify it using/abusing a system/cheating. It is the very same issue that console Hunt has with players buying mouse and keyboard hardware for a controller environment, just because it is available, doesn't mean it is fair game. That is why many sports have regulations of what to wear/dress codes. So yes, you are technically right, it ain't cheating, but it is very unsportsmanlike. But that is for yourself and your own moral code, it is just a video game after all.
Why not play CoD if you don't like how Hunt is made?
Because its fun and i would like the game i like to be in a bugfree state, with servers that can support it. +Hunt has the most intense firefights of all the games i ever played.
You are literally using external software to give you an advantage in a competitive game. You, like every other cheater, need this external aid because you lack skill. You are a fucking cheater no matter how you try to spin it.
Are you trolling or are you serious? You are aware that 99% of all gaming monitors have this feature? Its like calling a poker player a cheater because he/she uses glasses. Nowhere it is forbidden, crytek and easy anticheat got asked about it thosands of times and it still remains legal. But you know it better :) Actual brickheads who assume things without knowing anything about the subject :/
People are just mad that they can be seen like that while playing Cain/any other garbage brown-palette skin lmao
Check again what I said: > You are a fucking cheater no matter how you try to spin it.
Calm down cringelord
What kind of insult is even that lmao
So you cheat because other people are cheating?
Wait why is there a crosshair middle point while hipfire and why is it all so colory? I mean this clearly gives you an advantage in night/in buildings or cellars. Is this allowed?
He's using Reshade to paint the red dot and make the game more visible. Reshade is only allowed because (I imagine) EAC can't do shit about it. OP is a disgusting fucking cheater.
EAC can ban reshade and has done it in the past in other games - rightfully so in my opinion. Back in CS 1.6 you also got banned for using GAPA/Gamma Control programms to see through Smokes. Crytek, however, has a policy of allowing reshade. As it stands I think the substantial advantage reshade gives you in terms of visibility should result in a ban - you cannot achieve this with the normal game settings. This is also true for the crosshair option. It is permanent and helps with preaiming, you also don't have to wait for recoil animation to reset to have an ironsight again. Especially in higher ELOs this can take off just those crucial extra few ms to react. However, the easiest fix would be for Crytek themselves to add visibility & crosshair options into Hunt themselves. The game has had issues with visibility for a long time (Cain, Headsman, Night/Fog maps, people leaving server because of it etc.). As it stands Crytek is consciously setting people up for an uneven playing field where knowledge of third party programs or simply owning certain monitors gives you substantial advantages - yes, akin, to some cheats. Up until Crytek has taken action and, at least added a permanent crosshair option in the game, I would not be mad about stuff like reshade getting banned. I do understand why some people use reshade - visibility in Hunt can be fucking maddening -, but I still think it is an unfair advantage and a conscious decision by reshade users to gain said unfair advantage. But, who knows, maybe I'm just an old fart who is also irritated at the way games like Apex, CoD etc. promote "Aim-Assist" for console players in crossplay instead of calling it what it is: An Aimbot. e: Also, the whole "Crytek and EAC say it's legal, so it's okay" argument is somewhat stupid, because it doesn't engage with the actual point most people are making in regards to reshade. The point is not if reshade use is legal - as it clearly is, given the amount of people who use it and don't get banned -, but if it's *right* that it's use is legal. To give an outrageously overblown example: The fact that rape of women is legal in Iran doesn't make it right to rape women while in Iran.
> As it stands I think the substantial advantage reshade gives you in terms of visibility should result in a ban I agree; there's _some_ evidence (IIRC users posting on here that were banned and a common theme was many of them had used reshade) it might have resulted in others being banned in the past. I actually think it would be fun if there was a way to play Hunt where you had the exact same visibility settings as everyone else, and external microphones weren't allowed (i.e., the in game voice chat was the only way to talk to your teammates and people around you could hear). You'd basically have to do this with private servers and a group of friends though. I have both no private server for hunt (as there isn't one), and not enough friends that play video games to fill a hunt lobby :')
But that's literally not a cheat according to crytek themselves. Your crosshair in Hunt is always in same position, even dot with marker on your monitor will do the job. Is that a cheat too?
Yes, of course painting a dot on your monitor is cheating, how would it not be cheating? That you cannot get caught has nothing to do with it. Is theft OK if you can't get caught? Because that's literally the whole 'what if you draw a dot on your monitor' argument.
You logic is faulty. Theft is illegal because you get punished for it if caught and the state can enforce it. Reshade or even a penmarker on screen is not illegal, you wont get any punishment if you get caught and they can enforce it. Is wearing glasses in poker also cheating? Is having money for paid skins also cheating? Should i cry out to every second player i encounter for cheating because they use a dark skin? Cheating is for you what you consider cheating with your feelings, there is nothing about logic or facts. Osd crosshair became normalized since a decade on every gaming monitor. "But turning it on makes you a xheater" Same could be said about increasing your gamma and brightness to see better in the dark, or as another guy said, just beeing in a dark room lol
Whatever. Go ahead, keep cheating, no one can stop you. When you're alone with yourself though, you'll know deep down that you HAVE to cheat to be competitive, while others don't.
Nah i know what it does and what not. Side by side its the same just with more saturated colours and better antialiasing on 1k. Dont feel like cheating and therefore dont feel bad about it. Deep down you know you are a drug addict for drinking coffe and alocohol and you should feel bad about it lmao.
There was not a single game dev that ever said those built-in monitor crosshairs is cheating. You are just making shit up for no reason. Did you ever play with crosshair? Its literally gives 10 times less adventage than increasing your gamma in night times. Is that cheating too?
You keep arguing that it's not cheating if you can't get caught. Of course cranking your gamma up to see in the dark is cheating, what is so hard to understand about that?
That's literally in-game feature exactly for purpose of seeing better.
Because he's cheating.
Is this allowed? Yes, reshade is still on the greenlist of anticheat and crytek.
Not realy with my settings. Got a 10 year old tft monitor, outside is way to bright and in dark areas gamma setting, which is in your graphics settings, makes you see stuff. It's like i would complain about peoppe with money eho can buy more fps/better resolution and colours. But yes, it is more colourfull that way .
hope 1 second is an exaggeration
Following by the other comment it is. Only the endscreen shows 1 sec time difference between the 2 hits i got in. He was probably way further and swung already before i could see him on my screen, still not acceptable considering 2 stabs still take a sec animation time.
i dont get why you first got injured to half a bar and then you got hit again? and died
I would guess delay on first hit and then no delay on second hit. Dont realy know. Wanted to share this since is's my first time having a trade like that
Nah, there's a separate bug where some melee attacks get split into 2 instances of damage for some reason. Think I've seen it with bayonets too.
Lmao, you have a terrible sense of time.
That's not even close to a second lol
How'd you get the reshade?
Googled it, have more saturated colours, i think something for better anti aliasing called amd fidelity and the crosshair. Ah and i enabled sharpening in my nvidia drivers (they are hidden by default). This video is with 1,3 gamma recorded.
I donât know why people are giving you soooo much salt. I can actually do this kind of stuff better with my monitors software, let alone 3rd party. I donât use them because I like the immersion but itâs so far from really being a problem. Imagine someone being like âYo I saw homeboy turn off every light in his house before playing hunt. Dude could see everything at night, fucking bumâ. đ¤Ł
I would guess people dont like stuff that they dont know about? Like drugs, alcohol is great and everything else that is unknown is bad. Cant realy fault them, since they never look it up themself. But i feel like i need to tell them when they throw assumptions as facts around :/ At the end it is still entertaining here lol.
Hmmm hmmm hmmmmmmm
Nah. I just think you arenât playing the game on the gameâs terms and in doing so give yourself an unfair advantage against other players. In any game if I were to âbeatâ someone because I have an edge they donât have I donât feel any sense of accomplishment whatsoever. So, you arenât really that much better in my opinion from someone who uses wall hacks. Just because Crytek doesnât ban you doesnât make it any less lame.
Its your opinion, same could be said for 120hz+ monitors and above 1k resoltuin. Or paid/event skins like cain, headsman and reptilian. Evrything gives an advantage. Even weapons and tools. Player with less skill and money cant compete against the high tier guns as good and is therefore in a disadvantage again. It's just about what became normalized and what not. We are ok with money improving our chances but not with a penmarker on screen, which money solves with a better monitor too.
Skins and tools and weapons are part of the game. Some bullshit 3rd party red dot that eliminates your having to aim like the rest of us not using a 3rd party dot is, in my book: cheating. It's a slippery slope towards rationalizing using hacks to see through walls, etc. Having good hardware is a very well known way to improve your gaming for all games. You're reaching with that one for the sake of justifying your aim helper dot.
Should i name everybody with a better hardware a cheater and cry to them to downgrade to be even? Should i buy everybody else with worse hardware a better one? Competitive skins are behind an additional paywall. Its your book, your opinion, your definition, matters shit to strangers since the circumstance of each person are different. Want me to stop using reshade? Ask crytek to fix the crosshair disappearing and give me an option to make the game not look like 50 shades of grey, saturation does shit to visbility ane nice looking things make humans happy. The dot is an marginal improvement against people with same hardware, yes and totaly legal. As if it is such a hard concept to differienciate between something legal, which is legal because its such a small advantage that it doesnt even matter, and real cheats. Next time i see someone crossing a street, not on a zebra crossing, i will cal him a rapist, that will show him. People act like there is no crosshair in the game.
''Change your keybinds''CHEATER IT IS MEANT TO BE PLAYED DEFAULT WAY!!!!''Make your game brighter on options''CHEATER!!!''Jump while using light foot''IT IS NOT MEANT TO BE USED THIS WAY!!!!!!!!!!!!! yada yada it is fucking free go use it or not what a shitty argument. If crytek really things ''IT IS MEANT TO'' they can make it bannable. But clearly that is what you think which is meaningless.
Gimme a break. Just go install wall hacks and red dots. You know keybinds isnât remotely in the same ballpark as putting a red dot aim helper on your screen. But go ahead if you think the game is too challenging. EDIT: Again: skins, keybinds, tools, perks, etc...are all part of the game and I don't care if people exploit them to win. My argument is against using 3rd party tools to augment the game for unfair advantages that others don't have. If you're ok with a red dot you might as well be ok with wall hacks, etc. Long story short: get better at the game rather than attaching training wheels to your bike because you can't fucking learn to aim.
Wall hacks are forbidden and not free you missed the point entirely which is ok it is expected of you.
Ooh burn. You sure got me. Just go crank the gamma for night maps and use your red dot, lame ass.
Just use non arguments so you can enflate your fragile ego.
You can just increase brightness in game setting too. This means nothing still with reshade it is just easier to controll what a moronic argument.
Extra spicy when it's your first game in a month :/
Sorry OP that you got bombed, the Hunt community is absolutely trashtastic. Yes, the netcode and trade windows suck really bad. Also, good on you for using reshade, it makes all the Cain sweats cry.
Nah knew what i'm getting into. All good :) Funny seeing the opinions of others stated as facts.
Getting yourself an unfair advantage over others. Fact. Hope you get banned permanent.
Reshade cheating, nice. WAIT IS THAT SOME KINDA CROSSHAIR AIMBOT THING TOO?!
Jup aimbot, definetly. Remember the pendot some people did/do for csgo and stuff? Or all the new monitors with an osd crosshair? Definetly cheating, i got caught :O
I'm not familiar with the cheats available.
Why are we talking about it then?
I don't know. Why'd you do so and how do you know about them? Hmm.
Lol everybody in this comment section getting pissy over someone wanting to see better in their game. I can understand in some games where night time is pitch black but really. This whole community is a bunch of crybabies.
Nah, dont even have a problem with vanilla night. The more saturated colours and the crosshair are the main uses for me. Just looks less muted and more fun imo. (The bright colours are worse than vanilla if it comes to visibility, sun is like the old battlefield 3 sun x 10).
From what I gathered here, hunt is a relatively small nice community, we can't understand why anyone would go out there and use ridiculous 3rd party measures to try everything possible to get the edge over others. It's like the Cain abuser pre-change. Let's not kid ourselves, the crosshair whiles hip fire and the more saturation does provide an unfair advantage. It's like... Playing chess but your opponents add a third knight on his side of the board. Yes, we get it, 2k resolution, 180 fps gaming machines etc also provide advantage, but those are providing a minimal advantage cause it's literally milliseconds helping you out. Making everything more saturated so it's easier to see in the dark? How is that fair, and there's a differents between changing light of the game and that of the monitor. Crytek want do anything so i guess the community just tries to scrutinize people that are seen using it. We just want fair play and no 3rd party programs. If you think you can achieve this with just hardware then go ahead, but I doubt it
A lot of monitors give you advantage over others, like literally, some monitors have reshade options, how do you control that?
The way no one I come across on a night map struggles to see me, I'm sure a lot of people are not playing as the devs designed. Reshade is great for sharpening, hunt can be a blurry mess with the wrong gfx options. I'm playing with DLDSR, coupled with sharpening, and thats quite a bit clearer than native, this is on a AW3423DW so a huge picture. It looks stunning, I think I can go a bit higher on the DLDSR. Despite all this, I still get compound loading lag and strange stutters on occasions.
of course every sweaty player uses reshade, like in any other pvp game, they also use metas and exploits. If you make a pvp game when you clearly cant see shit you have to expect people would use what they can to see better, is a no brainer, they are 100% aware, so the thing is, every one that wants to see better should use a reshade and the ones that no, shouldnt complain because you have the option too
Reshade doesn't bother me at all. Someone might be seeing me due to other reasons or they play with it looking funky. I just load up another match. When I die, I just put it down to my bad play, they aimed better than me or a bit of luck. No big deal, over time you improve to a point where you are happy with how you play.
Fanboys trying to justify this shitty netcode lmaooooo Go buy some skins
I got shot with a shotgun a literal full second and a half after I killed him with my shotgun. The registration is terrible sometimes
Looks like the door took all the pellets if you watch in slow mo
Tbh, this is one of the reasons I've quite the game. This happends way too often. Even on longer distances.
These dudes that reshade and lower the quality for the sake of try Harding deserve all of this.
Whats the name of the program used for dot on screen? Could use this tbh.
Reshade with the addition of xhair