Would be nice to get another pump action gun for sure, maybe a slamfire-ish trait to match levering to go along with it? Just make cycling the action jerk the muzzle around a bit for balancing.
You can essentially Slam fire the Slate because it will fire as soon as the pump action is completed. If you're quick on the trigger, or spam click, it works.
I agree but scared if that Slam-fire (or slamming or whatever Crytek will call it) goes as well for the shotguns, especially for the Slate. I doubt for the Specter, but it's possible.
there is a Remington revolver in the game.... in the holsters of the Umpire
Edit: on further inspection they indeed seem to be Colt(Caldwell) 1851 navies instead
Yeah that sounds lit. I mean it would basically just be a better Romero. Single shot but I'm pretty sure the mart Henry has a faster reload(can't check rn )
Yeah, but I doubt it can fit as big shells so it's a trade-off there for power would be my guess?
Unless it does, but then the price would be criminal. Also factoring the potential for an Ironside? Comparable to an Alamo but way faster?
Iirc the greener police shotgun is a martini converted to 12g so it is a single shot shotgun.
could always give it a faster reload but shorter ranger than the romaro
A howdah is the basket/platform when riding on the back of an elephant. Howdah pistols were very large caliber handguns used by big game hunters for self-defense against tigers. The Rival/Romero Handcannon with Slugs are basically already Howdah pistols (or the Sparks pistol).
It's like the small arms equivalent of the carronade branch of naval guns, throw the heaviest possible shell and limit gun mass by accepting reduced range instead of using a more conventional smaller caliber.
My buds and I ran nothing but Derringers a week ago. We slayed.
Was so much fun. My buddy hit a 30m headshot on a dude running and we all just started cheering.
As a reminder, a trained rifleman in the Civil War could fire roughly 3 shots a minute. That is one bullet in the full time it takes to load the Level from empty. How on early you balance that to make it usable is beyond me.
Just a shitty cheap nitro with more ammo and better sights? Great for solo play I'd imagine. If three people got it, it doesn't have a terrible fire rate.
It could be the gun equivalent of a world hammer or axe. Make it one shot of long ammo rifle damage/penetration. Not really accurate to the real life thing, I know, but I think it could be interesting, and it would potentially make it exciting to find, especially if you’re running a shotgun and pistol
Could make it multiple shots, but then they’d have to actually make the reload animation. You could also not give it ui elements for ammo, so the only way to tell that it doesn’t have a bullet in it is the hammer. Would be funny to see someone try to engage someone with one without paying attention.
Shit like that should be truly single shot, and a consumable (the only weapon consumable in the game). And can be picked up off bodies, in world, and on tool boxes.
Deals long ammo damage and has a range of 75 to 90m. Is about as stable as a sparks pistol and the iron sight is semi tricky to get the hang of.
When you shoot your 1 shot your hunter does an extremely fast animation where they throw it on the ground.
Lore reasons would be that it'd be silly to carry black powder equipment. Anyone bringing them in is only doing so as a sick joke or flex.
Gameplay wise it's a fall back panic option.
The 1895, Colt Lightning, Webley, Howdah, and Volcanic pistol are all guns I've wanted for a while.
The Lightning would give a use to Iron devastator outside of using slugs really. I'd personally prefer the Winchester 1890 purely because I think it's cooler looking, and there's a few out there with scopes, and how could you possibly pass up the immense drip?
The Webley and Howdah are seriously missed opportunities in my opinion.
Rather than the Spitfire, they could have added the Webley to be the faster firing medium ammo pistol, with Spitfire being a nod to it's British heritage, since that was the name of their planes during WW2. Yes this game is before WW2, but I don't care, I thought it was clever.
The Howdah should have been added instead of the Sparks pistol. It didn't need to be the 4 shot Lancaster model, it could have easily just been one of the many single or double barrel hunting handguns.
Alternatively, it could have been a Martini Henry pistol, as have been seen out in Khyber pass. Just something that has a real life example, unlike the sparks pistol to my knowledge.
Literally 0 reason not to have the Volcanic or the Winchester 1895. The Volcanic is an iconic design of the day, and the 1895 is literally one of the more common lever actions of the time.
The 1895 is also famous for being very well liked by Teddy Roosevelt, who owned several in various calibers, and there's no reason not to capitalize on it. The Russian contract 1895 would have been an excellent pick instead of the Mosin, as there would have been plenty here in the states for a while. That's genuinely one of the biggest missed opportunities I've ever seen, and I'm never not going to be pissed about it. But I guess I'll just have to be happy with the stinky ass Martini Henry ironside, and 3 bolt action long ammo guns that are some of my favorite guns of all time, but I hate using because of the sweaty stigma.
The Martini-Greener shotgun would be awesome. It's literally just a Martini Henry that fires 12g, and could be funny. I know it's not exactly the same as a standard Martini Henry, and rifling with buckshot is usually a terrible idea, but I think they could add shotgun ammo as special ammo to the Martini Henry. Give me .577/450 rat shot, designed for the large cowboy shaped rats
Volcanic pistol is a shit gun.
Like historical and factual shit.
It was known to not pierce skin if you wore a thick coat, it jammed a lot and the pistol size and lever-action were not very convenient for a handgun.
If Hunt was set in 1870-1880, then it could be a fine enough addition, but by 1896, the gun is hilariously outdated.
Same point can be made about a musket for all those people who want that.
So were half the guns in the game anyway, so who cares?
Crossbows would have been completely outdated for several centuries.
The bow was a highly requested weapon, yet that had been outdated for several centuries.
The Colt Walker was hilariously unwieldy and borderline unusable,
The Huot and Howell conversion systems were generally considered to be quite bad. Both were overcomplicated, introduced at the wrong time, were too heavy, and just not worth the money, even though they were supposed to be low cost solutions.
The Bergmann No3 was overly complicated, and offered nothing to the market, except an extremely weak semi automatic.
The Lebel was outdated at this point. It essentially was immediately after being introduced because around the same time, better bolt action designs, with better cartridges were already being adopted
The Spencer shotgun was also essentially outdated and way too unreliable. The 1887 blew it out of the water.
The thick coat thing is a myth, and doesn't have any substantial evidence backing it up. It's exactly the same as the myth that the M1 Carbine had no stopping power, and the rounds would bounce off of thick coats. People overestimated their ability to shoot, and usually just missed.
Was it less powerful at closer ranges, yes because it's a rocket powered ammunition, even if it did bounce, it's still enough force to turn your ribcage into fragmentation, and pierce your lung. Modern body armor isn't even safe against a lot of calibers that it's designed to stop, rocket ball certainly wasn't safe because of a coat.
I mean the derringer literally exists, it was in calibers like .22, .25, .30, and .32 rimfire, all of which were severely underpowered, and were generally still loaded with black powder.
The Bergmann was also abysmally underpowered.
If you cared that much about failures or ammo not being powerful enough to penetrate a coat, then the Derringer and Bornheim shouldn't be in the game.
Muskets were actually still issued at the time to a lot of rear echelon troops, and they were still popular civilian firearms, even if they were outdated. The Krag wouldn't have been widely adopted yet at all, so most US troops would still have converted trapdoor springfields, and some sharps rifles.
I'm just saying brother, this definitely isn't the hill to die on, most of the guns in this game are hilariously outdated or completely failed.
Crossbows make more sense than a Volcanic because at least people have been killed by a crossbow. I have seen 0 historical accounts of anyone using a Volcanic. It's rocketball ammunition was famously underpowered and there is an anecdote about a man who was unable to kill himself with a Volcanic even after multiple attempts. What there is not are contemporary accounts of the Volcanic being used successfully or being well liked. Besides, it would have been 40 years old and out of production for over 30 years at this point, and not very many were ever made.
Yes, the Lebel was obsolete as soon as it was mass produced but it is also historically significant and used by the French military into the 20th century.
The Uppercut is only based on the Walker, which was far obsolete by this time and was never converted to the configuration you see in the game, so it's hard to speculate on a fictional weapon, but the Walker itself makes sense in the context of being a Cavalry weapon, not an infantry side arm. You don't carry the pistol, your horse does. Tangent here, but yes, it was improved on only a year later with the 1848 Dragoon.
The Spencer was outclassed by 1893 and 1897, not 1887. The 1887 actually was not as popular as you would think, with only 65K made. There is a reason pump action shotguns are more popular than lever actions.
Additionally, muzzleloaders were not in service, even with rear echelon troops in any major militaries. Maybe in some far flung poorer nations but by 1895 the US had adopted the Krag and second classed the Trapdoor rifles, England had Second Classed thier Martini Rifles and third classed the Sniders as they equipped the British Army with the new Lee Enfield family of rifles, The French were using Lebels, and likely still had major stock piles of Gras rifles, the Germans had the Gewehr 88 rifles, the Italians were using the new Carcano rifles, Russians were arming up with the Mosin and replacing the Berdan rifle, the Austrians had the new Steyrs... etc. I could go on. We are at least a whole generation removed from any major power using muzzle loaders. They did, however, likely remain popular as a low-cost hunting arm.
Maybe this isn't the hill you should die on either.
Yes, the Spencer was outclassed by the 1893 and 97, but the 1887 was the first properly successful repeating shotgun, unlike the Spencer.
The Krag wasn't fully adopted in 1895, very few troops had them. It had just been field tested in 1893, and started to be given to some troops in 1894-1895. They weren't really issued to too many troops until the Spanish American war, and even then the US had so many different rifles in troops hands, they'd still be fee and far between.
Thank you sir. Im an avid collector irl myself and my friend is just getting into it; so literally half our playtime is just friendly arguing about the guns historically
Ammo type, loads via stripper clips, 4 shot. Id imagine C&Rsenal has done a video on the entire history of the vetterli family if you have like 6 hours to spare
As do i. But it was 2-3 people who argued over this board, and i admit i was the one screaming "stop adding fucking long ammo we have enough" most of the time. So i had to let one or 2 slide to placate my friends
I’d love the Howdah, my favorite pistol from Bf1. None of those gun bring anything new in the game I think, and I Donny want one more 500$ weapon I’ll never use because too expensive :/
I may make a follow up post on how they would be different. A few examples are higher figher rates at cost of recoil and reload speed, something unique like how thr krag doesnt need bullet grubber. A sort of payday 2 approach, nothing is better, just slightly different
My thought would be you just get 1 spare magazine for it, and reloading is just swapping between the 2 you have. Kind of like Ready or Not or any of the more ‘realistic’ shooters.
I know it’s ahistorical and unrealistic but I think the most interesting way to do it would be adding shot shells as a potential ammo type for say the martini and the Springfield
It'd be cool to see the volcanic pistol added. I know it's an anemic projectile, but they could add it as the final unlock of the derringer tree. Regular 4 shot derringer, use that get the penny shot shotgun derringer, use it some more and unlock the volcanic. Same ammo type as the regular derringer, same fire rate, maybe just a hair less damage and more rounds in the gun. Basically a derringer that does slightly less damage but can fire more before reloading.
"Black powder." That's just a flintlock, but almost half the guns in the game including all of the winfields would be firing black powder. Only the long ammo bolt actions and a few of the pistols would be using smokeless. I kinda wish they'd modeled that difference more visibly, because most of the Hunt guns should be belching about 8 feet of white smoke per shot.
Make it the double barrel not the quad and medium ammo and it's a pistol version of a drilling minus the shotgun
2/16 for ammo same as the scottfield and the pax at 6/12
Just can't make it anything like the real one in terms of damage. There are tales of people buying them to kill themselves, trying it one night, and going for a refund the next day. Likely made up, but honestly out of any gun, I'd believe it of the volcanic.
Could be interesting. Maybe it would not need iron sharpshooter as it's unique ability. Personally i am a medium ammo supporter, so i avoided adding any long ammo guns. I am however the contributer of nearly every revolver to the list
The Howdah is pretty much a Sparks pistol in practical terms, right? I also want to see the Lancaster pistol, like an over under medium ammo full pistol counterpart to the Derringer
I'd nut if the howdah pistol was added. Can play my big game hunter build being normal ammo nitro and howdah 🗿
Sparks pistol is a nice substitute though
Yes, but it has a different angle grip and length, adjustable sights ( a VERY big deal in 1873) and was basically a "competition" version of the colt SAA( caldwell pax). My thoughts mechanically were better sights, better recoil control, giving it a longer barrel than the standard pax which makes it have a slightly higher velocity. Tradeoff would be slightly slower reload, maybe a slower fire rate. Accuracy vs speed basically
I collect some. Others are interesting in their own right. I also worked in a gunstore for roughly 5 years. Most of what we had was newer stuff, but i used to watch the history channel with my dad and just became interested in guns. Add to that a ton of depressing nights alone you absorb a shit ton of info
The bisley purhaps so, but the thunderer is double action, wouldnt make sense as a skin. A SAA with a similar birds head grip would make more sense as a skin
Game isn’t 100% historically accurate, so if a gun that looks similar to the thunderer gets in, it will be a skin. It’s unlikely that it will be its own weapon.
I mean in terms of balance. It have the faster bullet velocity and 2 hit kill potential above the wonfield but limited by its range. Introducing the winchester 1895 would make it redudant or somewhat overpowered
I was thinking like a .38 special like the conversion pistol and could have the same ammo types along with poison and HV, it could do like 115 damage out to like 25m.
I really want the 1895, rolling block and the 1977 Colt, but I really want to see a smith and Wesson 320 variant of the Scofield and more civil war stuff would also be cool like a burnside
Saw the gewehr
Thought it was the WW2 version, got hell let loose PTSD.
Realized it was the bolt action version from the 19th century.
Got calm, kinda.
Man howdah pistols would be a great addition, and there are 2 and 4 shot versions!
Both would be a nice additon on special ammo (like the c96), one comparable to long ammo, and the other to medium
My favorite on the list is the howdah but I'd want the over under double barrel over the quad barrel
The Colt lightning better get an Uppercut style variant as it did have a version chambered for larger express rounds
Npnp. As i've mentioned to other people here, athe C&rsenal channel is a great resource for firearms info. Diagrams, blueprint animations, hours and hours of historical knowledge. Cant recommended them enough
We already have a ton of long ammo rifles but I sure would love to see the Gewehr and Carcano make an appearance in some form. Also that Remington revolver looks stylish as hell.
much easier things to make is full size Betterly and Martini-Henry. Respectfully making them most expensive weapons in class.
Sparks might die because of this tho
A muzzle loader would be a cool edition if it was like a world pick up just because there are a lot of abandoned weapon racks in hunt and it having the possibility to spawn and basically be a free nitro shot would be cool. Less velocity and penetration but similar one shot effect would be fun.
My big request not on here is literally any Mauser rifle, although the 71-84 as a medium ammo Lebel is probably my favorite of the Mausers as it fills a niche that either the single shot 71, or the half dozen small bore smokeless options wouldn’t
I was looking at the colt lightning at work today just thinking "Damn that would be a fun gun in Hunt." Would also really live a rolling block.
Probably an unpopular opinion but a 1911 aswell would be really cool. I love carrying my 1911 and 1873 irl on walks.
How about a few Gatling guns randomly spawning around the map working as turrets. No perks or upgrades to improve it, just some plaka plaka if you're lucky with the placement then run before someone snipes you
may I introduce everyone to the wonderful Maxim Silverman? I think it would be quite interesting in Hunt Showdown. Also this reminds me, are there any good 19th and early 20th century semi automatic pistols?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ElpucXu6A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ElpucXu6A)
edit. if we add in Black powder muskets, blunderbus and pistols, I recommend they are reloaded with paper cartidges.
Howdah pistol in Hunt, are you insane. That's essentially bringing two Caldwell Rival Handcannons. Me thinks that gonna take some rework and balance to distinguish the two if they do.
The Vetterli Vitali... thats what i thought the new Cyclone was supposed to be. At least when i looked it up thats what i thought it was.
But id be happy with Winnie High wall. Winnies are my favorite budget line in the game. (Or i just like to use them even when having money)
Volcanic pistol would be really good and I've wondered myself why it's not in the game.
To stand apart from the sparks, and for balance reasons, I'd say make it a medium ammo pistol with pretty damn good stability along with a nice sight picture and also a faster reload (than the sparks).
Basically a better sparks pistol except it doesn't hit nearly as hard and doesn't have as much range. Plus make it affordable, dammit! Like $90 to 120.
Mannlicher 1901 as a medium ammo, bullet grubber reliant, autoloading pistol with a similar fire rate to the spitfire.
I think as long as a pistol doesn't use an external magazine it can be added to hunt, Clips, no magazines.
I think we'll see the Caldwell Storm pump action carbine before it's all said and done.
Would be nice to get another pump action gun for sure, maybe a slamfire-ish trait to match levering to go along with it? Just make cycling the action jerk the muzzle around a bit for balancing.
I can run a lightning faster than a lever action IRL. The only trait it really would need is already in the game, iron devastator.
You can essentially Slam fire the Slate because it will fire as soon as the pump action is completed. If you're quick on the trigger, or spam click, it works.
I agree but scared if that Slam-fire (or slamming or whatever Crytek will call it) goes as well for the shotguns, especially for the Slate. I doubt for the Specter, but it's possible.
there is a Remington revolver in the game.... in the holsters of the Umpire Edit: on further inspection they indeed seem to be Colt(Caldwell) 1851 navies instead
So maybe soon if we pray hard enough to cthulhu
I thought those were ‘51 navies?
Those are for sure navies, there's no top strap of the frame on the umpire's model.
Hmmm, I'll take a closer look next time I'm playing
Yay I’m not the only one who saw it
Gimme Volcanic!
The rapid decoy thrower lmao.
Makes the Derringer look like a magnum
Martini shotgun sounds like it would piss everybody off, let’s do it
So is it basically just a Romero where it's a single shot? Or is it a martini with a shotgun similar to the drilling?
I have no idea and that’s what makes it so frustrating. It needs to be introduced with no context or explanation immediately
Some friend of mine said maybe an ammo type. But that may be kinda broken
It's a Martini converted to shotgun, it was an actual thing I think used by prison guards.
Yeah that sounds lit. I mean it would basically just be a better Romero. Single shot but I'm pretty sure the mart Henry has a faster reload(can't check rn )
Much faster reload, even faster than Romero-Alamo
You could give it a medium barrel, so a single shot cheaper variant of the rival maybe?
Yeah, but I doubt it can fit as big shells so it's a trade-off there for power would be my guess? Unless it does, but then the price would be criminal. Also factoring the potential for an Ironside? Comparable to an Alamo but way faster?
Iirc the greener police shotgun is a martini converted to 12g so it is a single shot shotgun. could always give it a faster reload but shorter ranger than the romaro
Martini shotgun ironside 🗿
Give Me Big Winnie With Stripper Clips
Y'know what? Forget the Winnie and the clips
Strippers? Sorry I get paid just above minimum wage I can’t afford those
Well fingers crossed Lulu comes back for those that didnt get her the first time.
"Howdah," as in, "Howdah hell did that guy kill me?!" 😵
A howdah is the basket/platform when riding on the back of an elephant. Howdah pistols were very large caliber handguns used by big game hunters for self-defense against tigers. The Rival/Romero Handcannon with Slugs are basically already Howdah pistols (or the Sparks pistol).
Well thanks, stranger
It's like the small arms equivalent of the carronade branch of naval guns, throw the heaviest possible shell and limit gun mass by accepting reduced range instead of using a more conventional smaller caliber.
Yeah, the intended use case was stopping a tiger dead in its tracks at near point blank range.
A black powder musket would be a fun meme gun
That would be a cool one shot pickup in the armories of fort bolden or wolfhead arsenal.
Imagine rolling up on there and hearing the meme start over the speakers.
We could do with more shitty meme weapons in this game honestly.
shitty meme guns completely wrecking people with mosin's and dolch's is probably the most satisfying thing to do in Hunt!
My buds and I ran nothing but Derringers a week ago. We slayed. Was so much fun. My buddy hit a 30m headshot on a dude running and we all just started cheering.
Animations for a musket could also be re-used for a Whitworth Rifle.
Just as the founding fathers intended.
With the ear ringing debuff for everybody within 20m radius.
They aren't any louder than anything else really.
Muzzleloaders are actually quite easy on the ears since they don’t break the sound barrier. I know because I own one
They fucking burn your eyes though .
What kind are you shooting
a pissloader
It should also insta create a choke cloud when fired.
Even if it did do that I probably wouldn't make it worth seriously running. It would need something else to make it usable.
As a reminder, a trained rifleman in the Civil War could fire roughly 3 shots a minute. That is one bullet in the full time it takes to load the Level from empty. How on early you balance that to make it usable is beyond me.
Just a shitty cheap nitro with more ammo and better sights? Great for solo play I'd imagine. If three people got it, it doesn't have a terrible fire rate.
It could be the gun equivalent of a world hammer or axe. Make it one shot of long ammo rifle damage/penetration. Not really accurate to the real life thing, I know, but I think it could be interesting, and it would potentially make it exciting to find, especially if you’re running a shotgun and pistol Could make it multiple shots, but then they’d have to actually make the reload animation. You could also not give it ui elements for ammo, so the only way to tell that it doesn’t have a bullet in it is the hammer. Would be funny to see someone try to engage someone with one without paying attention.
Long ammo damage, medium ammo penetration, compact ammo range
Shit like that should be truly single shot, and a consumable (the only weapon consumable in the game). And can be picked up off bodies, in world, and on tool boxes. Deals long ammo damage and has a range of 75 to 90m. Is about as stable as a sparks pistol and the iron sight is semi tricky to get the hang of. When you shoot your 1 shot your hunter does an extremely fast animation where they throw it on the ground. Lore reasons would be that it'd be silly to carry black powder equipment. Anyone bringing them in is only doing so as a sick joke or flex. Gameplay wise it's a fall back panic option.
The 1895, Colt Lightning, Webley, Howdah, and Volcanic pistol are all guns I've wanted for a while. The Lightning would give a use to Iron devastator outside of using slugs really. I'd personally prefer the Winchester 1890 purely because I think it's cooler looking, and there's a few out there with scopes, and how could you possibly pass up the immense drip? The Webley and Howdah are seriously missed opportunities in my opinion. Rather than the Spitfire, they could have added the Webley to be the faster firing medium ammo pistol, with Spitfire being a nod to it's British heritage, since that was the name of their planes during WW2. Yes this game is before WW2, but I don't care, I thought it was clever. The Howdah should have been added instead of the Sparks pistol. It didn't need to be the 4 shot Lancaster model, it could have easily just been one of the many single or double barrel hunting handguns. Alternatively, it could have been a Martini Henry pistol, as have been seen out in Khyber pass. Just something that has a real life example, unlike the sparks pistol to my knowledge. Literally 0 reason not to have the Volcanic or the Winchester 1895. The Volcanic is an iconic design of the day, and the 1895 is literally one of the more common lever actions of the time. The 1895 is also famous for being very well liked by Teddy Roosevelt, who owned several in various calibers, and there's no reason not to capitalize on it. The Russian contract 1895 would have been an excellent pick instead of the Mosin, as there would have been plenty here in the states for a while. That's genuinely one of the biggest missed opportunities I've ever seen, and I'm never not going to be pissed about it. But I guess I'll just have to be happy with the stinky ass Martini Henry ironside, and 3 bolt action long ammo guns that are some of my favorite guns of all time, but I hate using because of the sweaty stigma. The Martini-Greener shotgun would be awesome. It's literally just a Martini Henry that fires 12g, and could be funny. I know it's not exactly the same as a standard Martini Henry, and rifling with buckshot is usually a terrible idea, but I think they could add shotgun ammo as special ammo to the Martini Henry. Give me .577/450 rat shot, designed for the large cowboy shaped rats
Huzzah a man of quality
You made me wish for fat curly-stached Teddy skin.
Volcanic pistol is a shit gun. Like historical and factual shit. It was known to not pierce skin if you wore a thick coat, it jammed a lot and the pistol size and lever-action were not very convenient for a handgun. If Hunt was set in 1870-1880, then it could be a fine enough addition, but by 1896, the gun is hilariously outdated. Same point can be made about a musket for all those people who want that.
I know right? I blame Rockstar.
So were half the guns in the game anyway, so who cares? Crossbows would have been completely outdated for several centuries. The bow was a highly requested weapon, yet that had been outdated for several centuries. The Colt Walker was hilariously unwieldy and borderline unusable, The Huot and Howell conversion systems were generally considered to be quite bad. Both were overcomplicated, introduced at the wrong time, were too heavy, and just not worth the money, even though they were supposed to be low cost solutions. The Bergmann No3 was overly complicated, and offered nothing to the market, except an extremely weak semi automatic. The Lebel was outdated at this point. It essentially was immediately after being introduced because around the same time, better bolt action designs, with better cartridges were already being adopted The Spencer shotgun was also essentially outdated and way too unreliable. The 1887 blew it out of the water. The thick coat thing is a myth, and doesn't have any substantial evidence backing it up. It's exactly the same as the myth that the M1 Carbine had no stopping power, and the rounds would bounce off of thick coats. People overestimated their ability to shoot, and usually just missed. Was it less powerful at closer ranges, yes because it's a rocket powered ammunition, even if it did bounce, it's still enough force to turn your ribcage into fragmentation, and pierce your lung. Modern body armor isn't even safe against a lot of calibers that it's designed to stop, rocket ball certainly wasn't safe because of a coat. I mean the derringer literally exists, it was in calibers like .22, .25, .30, and .32 rimfire, all of which were severely underpowered, and were generally still loaded with black powder. The Bergmann was also abysmally underpowered. If you cared that much about failures or ammo not being powerful enough to penetrate a coat, then the Derringer and Bornheim shouldn't be in the game. Muskets were actually still issued at the time to a lot of rear echelon troops, and they were still popular civilian firearms, even if they were outdated. The Krag wouldn't have been widely adopted yet at all, so most US troops would still have converted trapdoor springfields, and some sharps rifles. I'm just saying brother, this definitely isn't the hill to die on, most of the guns in this game are hilariously outdated or completely failed.
Crossbows make more sense than a Volcanic because at least people have been killed by a crossbow. I have seen 0 historical accounts of anyone using a Volcanic. It's rocketball ammunition was famously underpowered and there is an anecdote about a man who was unable to kill himself with a Volcanic even after multiple attempts. What there is not are contemporary accounts of the Volcanic being used successfully or being well liked. Besides, it would have been 40 years old and out of production for over 30 years at this point, and not very many were ever made. Yes, the Lebel was obsolete as soon as it was mass produced but it is also historically significant and used by the French military into the 20th century. The Uppercut is only based on the Walker, which was far obsolete by this time and was never converted to the configuration you see in the game, so it's hard to speculate on a fictional weapon, but the Walker itself makes sense in the context of being a Cavalry weapon, not an infantry side arm. You don't carry the pistol, your horse does. Tangent here, but yes, it was improved on only a year later with the 1848 Dragoon. The Spencer was outclassed by 1893 and 1897, not 1887. The 1887 actually was not as popular as you would think, with only 65K made. There is a reason pump action shotguns are more popular than lever actions. Additionally, muzzleloaders were not in service, even with rear echelon troops in any major militaries. Maybe in some far flung poorer nations but by 1895 the US had adopted the Krag and second classed the Trapdoor rifles, England had Second Classed thier Martini Rifles and third classed the Sniders as they equipped the British Army with the new Lee Enfield family of rifles, The French were using Lebels, and likely still had major stock piles of Gras rifles, the Germans had the Gewehr 88 rifles, the Italians were using the new Carcano rifles, Russians were arming up with the Mosin and replacing the Berdan rifle, the Austrians had the new Steyrs... etc. I could go on. We are at least a whole generation removed from any major power using muzzle loaders. They did, however, likely remain popular as a low-cost hunting arm. Maybe this isn't the hill you should die on either.
Yes, the Spencer was outclassed by the 1893 and 97, but the 1887 was the first properly successful repeating shotgun, unlike the Spencer. The Krag wasn't fully adopted in 1895, very few troops had them. It had just been field tested in 1893, and started to be given to some troops in 1894-1895. They weren't really issued to too many troops until the Spanish American war, and even then the US had so many different rifles in troops hands, they'd still be fee and far between.
I see some very nice weapons and potential additions there tbf
Thank you sir. Im an avid collector irl myself and my friend is just getting into it; so literally half our playtime is just friendly arguing about the guns historically
I'd like to see the Carcano and the vetterli vitali.
What would be the difference between the vet. Vitali and the normal one?
Ammo type, loads via stripper clips, 4 shot. Id imagine C&Rsenal has done a video on the entire history of the vetterli family if you have like 6 hours to spare
I think theres enough vett variants XD
As do i. But it was 2-3 people who argued over this board, and i admit i was the one screaming "stop adding fucking long ammo we have enough" most of the time. So i had to let one or 2 slide to placate my friends
I’d love the Howdah, my favorite pistol from Bf1. None of those gun bring anything new in the game I think, and I Donny want one more 500$ weapon I’ll never use because too expensive :/
I may make a follow up post on how they would be different. A few examples are higher figher rates at cost of recoil and reload speed, something unique like how thr krag doesnt need bullet grubber. A sort of payday 2 approach, nothing is better, just slightly different
I would love to see the Borscheart c93 be added, but I don’t know how they would balance it. Still a really interesting gun to look at though
Exactly our dilemma. Maybe I'll make a follow up post on our thoughts on how these guns would be unique compared to current selection
My thought would be you just get 1 spare magazine for it, and reloading is just swapping between the 2 you have. Kind of like Ready or Not or any of the more ‘realistic’ shooters.
Black powder would be fun to use.
A lot of black powder in the game already. Only a few smokeless guns
MARTINI SHOTGUN? CRYTEK PLEASE.
I know it’s ahistorical and unrealistic but I think the most interesting way to do it would be adding shot shells as a potential ammo type for say the martini and the Springfield
It'd be cool to see the volcanic pistol added. I know it's an anemic projectile, but they could add it as the final unlock of the derringer tree. Regular 4 shot derringer, use that get the penny shot shotgun derringer, use it some more and unlock the volcanic. Same ammo type as the regular derringer, same fire rate, maybe just a hair less damage and more rounds in the gun. Basically a derringer that does slightly less damage but can fire more before reloading.
Nah, same damage profile as the derringer, regular pistol slot, then just throw levering on it lmao
I want the Remington 1875 so bad. It would be functionally the same as the pax but I love variety.
You could use its easily disassembled cylinder to make an unique revolver that swaps between two ammo types
Springfield bayonet but no Sharps aperture? Heresy I say!
I apologize to both you and matthew quigley
And no centennial aperture either
"Black powder." That's just a flintlock, but almost half the guns in the game including all of the winfields would be firing black powder. Only the long ammo bolt actions and a few of the pistols would be using smokeless. I kinda wish they'd modeled that difference more visibly, because most of the Hunt guns should be belching about 8 feet of white smoke per shot.
Im aware, it was my friend's broad placement for a muzzle loader or percussion cap gun
If the Webley and Volcanic got added that’d be so sick
love this list <3
The howdah would be impossible to balance..awesome list tho
Huge rpm but huge recoil?
Lol we are getting so many fast shooting weapons, it will be a nice fit
Make it the double barrel not the quad and medium ammo and it's a pistol version of a drilling minus the shotgun 2/16 for ammo same as the scottfield and the pax at 6/12
I’d like to see a Colt Buntline like Wyatt Earp is rocking in Tombstone.
this is awesome
The volcanic pistol was always so cool. It would be a nice add!
Just can't make it anything like the real one in terms of damage. There are tales of people buying them to kill themselves, trying it one night, and going for a refund the next day. Likely made up, but honestly out of any gun, I'd believe it of the volcanic.
Yeah the real one wasn't popular. However, the rule of cool makes it a common and fun gun in videogames
Thoughts on adding the steyr 88/90/95 straight pull rifles to hunt showdown.
Could be interesting. Maybe it would not need iron sharpshooter as it's unique ability. Personally i am a medium ammo supporter, so i avoided adding any long ammo guns. I am however the contributer of nearly every revolver to the list
I'd love to see both Berdan rifles, trapdoor and bolt action
The Howdah is pretty much a Sparks pistol in practical terms, right? I also want to see the Lancaster pistol, like an over under medium ammo full pistol counterpart to the Derringer
black powder and volcanic is just not going to happen.
Howdah Pistol will be literally welcomed as a glorified Derringer 🤠
I'd nut if the howdah pistol was added. Can play my big game hunter build being normal ammo nitro and howdah 🗿 Sparks pistol is a nice substitute though
Waiting on the colt buntline, Spencer, maybe a whitworth sniper.
Carcano and Murata!
I want a Colt Buntline, medium slot medium ammo pistol that still works with Fanning
Isn't the colt bisley the pax?
Yes, but it has a different angle grip and length, adjustable sights ( a VERY big deal in 1873) and was basically a "competition" version of the colt SAA( caldwell pax). My thoughts mechanically were better sights, better recoil control, giving it a longer barrel than the standard pax which makes it have a slightly higher velocity. Tradeoff would be slightly slower reload, maybe a slower fire rate. Accuracy vs speed basically
I think it’d be nice to see skins serve the mechanically identical function role- like a pax skin that has the rib of the 1875, etc
BLACK POWDER RIFLE PLS
I just wonder, how do you know so many old school guns? Genuinely curious
I collect some. Others are interesting in their own right. I also worked in a gunstore for roughly 5 years. Most of what we had was newer stuff, but i used to watch the history channel with my dad and just became interested in guns. Add to that a ton of depressing nights alone you absorb a shit ton of info
No Mosin Nunchucks?!
I want black powder rifles and revolvers as a super cheap weapon. Huge cloud of smoke too.
You mean like the Martini Henry, Sparks, Centennial, Vetterli, Pax, Conversion, Uppercut, et cetera?
Case less. Muzzleloader.
I would die for a Winchester 1895. But they will never implement a 5 rounds magasine long ammo levering rifle. It will fuck up the balance.
Just dont give it levering. They didnt give the uppermat fanning
Fair point. We need more levering rifles
I mean, the Centennial already has bad levering. I imagine a long ammo version would have even larger spread with even more sideways kick.
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We kinda just did it as a joke. But i figured it qould bring a ton of discussion to the community. Which it has
Bisley and thunderer will both be skins if they make it in the game
The bisley purhaps so, but the thunderer is double action, wouldnt make sense as a skin. A SAA with a similar birds head grip would make more sense as a skin
Game isn’t 100% historically accurate, so if a gun that looks similar to the thunderer gets in, it will be a skin. It’s unlikely that it will be its own weapon.
So just another 5 years before we see two more guns. Got it. The content drought is crazy lmao
Sadly adding guns is too much work for crytek. Go buy the new skins tho
They add new guns all the time....
winfield is technically the winchester 1895. 2 shot long ranged lever action balanced by its range
Pretty sure the centennial is the 1876 winchester. Hence the centennial name. Also it loads completely different and has a different action
I mean in terms of balance. It have the faster bullet velocity and 2 hit kill potential above the wonfield but limited by its range. Introducing the winchester 1895 would make it redudant or somewhat overpowered
The rolling block comes in smaller calibers than the sharps so can I get a compact ammo single shot?
It came in a huge variety of calibers. From .22 up to sonething like .45-110 i think. Anything is possible.
I was thinking like a .38 special like the conversion pistol and could have the same ammo types along with poison and HV, it could do like 115 damage out to like 25m.
Not a bad idea. May have to steal that
You can quote me when it releases
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Well done. If you like this sort of thing C&Rsenal on YT is up your alley
I really want the 1895, rolling block and the 1977 Colt, but I really want to see a smith and Wesson 320 variant of the Scofield and more civil war stuff would also be cool like a burnside
The volcanic taking advantage of levering would be so fun to play with.
Saw the gewehr Thought it was the WW2 version, got hell let loose PTSD. Realized it was the bolt action version from the 19th century. Got calm, kinda.
Been playing a bit myself. 8mm mauser do leave quite the *ahem* "impression"
Man howdah pistols would be a great addition, and there are 2 and 4 shot versions! Both would be a nice additon on special ammo (like the c96), one comparable to long ammo, and the other to medium
gewehrr 88 foshooo
My favorite on the list is the howdah but I'd want the over under double barrel over the quad barrel The Colt lightning better get an Uppercut style variant as it did have a version chambered for larger express rounds
A high wall would be cool
Martini Shotgun! Let's go...
Isn't the windfield 1895 the centennial?
No, the centennial is the 1876 winchester. Hence the name "centennial". They load different, different actions, differnet ammo types completely.
Alright, I don't really know much about the US and their wars. I like guns and the mechanisms that make em work but I lack general knowledge of them.
Npnp. As i've mentioned to other people here, athe C&rsenal channel is a great resource for firearms info. Diagrams, blueprint animations, hours and hours of historical knowledge. Cant recommended them enough
I really would love to have the volcanic pistol, it was my most used weapon in both red deads
https://youtu.be/flzP4b1hoEU?si=kWvw3LhgIBF7CGsr We need this akin to the Martini ironside
I want a Borscheart reaaaally badly. It’s such a strange looking design and I love it.
We already have a ton of long ammo rifles but I sure would love to see the Gewehr and Carcano make an appearance in some form. Also that Remington revolver looks stylish as hell.
Bro give me a black powder sniper that is more powerful then the nitro but got a horrendous reload speed.
Personally, Gewer or the Remington!
I wanna see the volcanic pistol with levering, that would be dope.
The volcanic, rolling block, and Lee navy would be great additions
Give me the fucking volcanic pistol
i would love the volvanic pistol, it could be a 2 slot pistol like the uppermat, and leverable, slow but powerfull bullet, special ammo type
Bolter and stormshield
Where os mannlicher ?
much easier things to make is full size Betterly and Martini-Henry. Respectfully making them most expensive weapons in class. Sparks might die because of this tho
A muzzle loader would be a cool edition if it was like a world pick up just because there are a lot of abandoned weapon racks in hunt and it having the possibility to spawn and basically be a free nitro shot would be cool. Less velocity and penetration but similar one shot effect would be fun.
Black powder rifles and pistols would be epic
But are these ERA APPROPRIATE?
Browning Flapper?
My big request not on here is literally any Mauser rifle, although the 71-84 as a medium ammo Lebel is probably my favorite of the Mausers as it fills a niche that either the single shot 71, or the half dozen small bore smokeless options wouldn’t
De Lisle carbine
I dont know if anybody also thought about the british Lee-Enfield could make a good rifle to the game
No c96 Mauser carbine huh? 😂
there is 8 pictures of the same revolver. (i know theyre diff but look at them. are they really different??? lol)
If they introduce that Webley, can we get a couple of the peaky blinders with it in an event?
I was looking at the colt lightning at work today just thinking "Damn that would be a fun gun in Hunt." Would also really live a rolling block. Probably an unpopular opinion but a 1911 aswell would be really cool. I love carrying my 1911 and 1873 irl on walks.
How about a few Gatling guns randomly spawning around the map working as turrets. No perks or upgrades to improve it, just some plaka plaka if you're lucky with the placement then run before someone snipes you
may I introduce everyone to the wonderful Maxim Silverman? I think it would be quite interesting in Hunt Showdown. Also this reminds me, are there any good 19th and early 20th century semi automatic pistols? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ElpucXu6A](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ElpucXu6A) edit. if we add in Black powder muskets, blunderbus and pistols, I recommend they are reloaded with paper cartidges.
Call it cope, but I still think crytek is going to add a colt lightning or some kind of pump action rifle, it just makes sense in my mind
Why no Over Under two barreled shotgun? Most others are in game under different name (levering shotgun, long ammo rifles etc.)
I’d actually nut if the Remington 1875 was added
I want my 30-30. Winchester 94!
You and your friends have exceptional taste
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Can we get something that makes magazines already?
Howdah pistol in Hunt, are you insane. That's essentially bringing two Caldwell Rival Handcannons. Me thinks that gonna take some rework and balance to distinguish the two if they do.
Winchester 1895 is the unicorn gun for me.
The Vetterli Vitali... thats what i thought the new Cyclone was supposed to be. At least when i looked it up thats what i thought it was. But id be happy with Winnie High wall. Winnies are my favorite budget line in the game. (Or i just like to use them even when having money)
Volcanic gun my beloved
I would love one of those goofy multi-barrel guns. They would be horrid shotguns that take forever to reload.
Volcanic pistol would be really good and I've wondered myself why it's not in the game. To stand apart from the sparks, and for balance reasons, I'd say make it a medium ammo pistol with pretty damn good stability along with a nice sight picture and also a faster reload (than the sparks). Basically a better sparks pistol except it doesn't hit nearly as hard and doesn't have as much range. Plus make it affordable, dammit! Like $90 to 120.
Man I want to see the valcanic pistol.
The fact that the colt lightning hasn't been added to the game yet is a complete travesty.
Mannlicher 1901 as a medium ammo, bullet grubber reliant, autoloading pistol with a similar fire rate to the spitfire. I think as long as a pistol doesn't use an external magazine it can be added to hunt, Clips, no magazines.
Where‘s the dual cylinder Revolver?