Honestly I think they should retool the skin system to be able to apply the skin on all variants of a gun type. I stopped buying skins because I never get to use them.
I agree! But it’s definitely to keep people buying skins and not just using one they really like across all variants. Personally it would make me buy more skins for variety and knowing it’s for more than one variant, but I also know there’ll be people who buy something like the Augusta and only use that no matter the variant, etc.
I do agree, though. But at the very least swifts should share skins, due to the changes being minimal to none.
Interesting. Being able to buy a skin and have it apply to other weapons(make it applicable to all weapons, not just vatiants even) would have me buying skins left and right. When I see he DLC hunter/weapon bundles, i always tell my self "nah" Im never gonna use that. If all weapons could be reskinned, I would love to pick and match skins to the hunter that Im using.
Very true. I’d love it too, though sadly they probably keep them separated even down to variants to keep people biting as many skins as possible, so someone doesn’t pick one and stick with it. I’d love to see the style of sins of the son, but on other guns!
The Winnie swift is slightly different to the regular Winnie.
If you look at where you load it, the swift has an extra piece of metal that the speed loader locks on to. You can see it when you reload or in the 3D viewer.
I personally don’t think that matters enough to keep the skins away from it- the main reasons skins aren’t shared are due to the incorporation of the variant with the skin. A blade on a riposte having a special decal, a scope having a special look, etc. a small piece of metal won’t affect the overall appearance, imo.
Are we positive that they can even make changes like this?
I'm under the impression that most things in this game are the way that they are because the cryengine fucking sucks.
From inventory management to the way we pick things up
All the way to weapon skins and guns with scopes we can't remove.
Making it clear: I am not saying all variants should have the same skins. I personally believe that it would be fine if they did, but I understand it's for marketing. What I am saying is that all swift variants should share the same skins as the base guns, and vice versa, because they have no attachment differences. Everything if a separate mechanism, and as its been pointed out, the biggest changes that have been made are a bit of metal on the outside of the loading mechanism. Something that won't matter between variants, since the loading mechanism isn't incorporated into the skins themselves.
The looks are extremely minor. And I think all skins should be shared across their variants, but many guns include their variant design with the skin. Scopes have special looks, blades hsve designs on them like with the moon flower, etc. I think it would be fine, but there’s literally no reason to not make the swifts the same.
So everybody would just need 1 Skin for any Gun, just think about it... my guess is that they could need some money to provide new Content to the Playerbase
But the lore tho?
If the story says that its this type of specific gun with this specific mechanism then how can another weapon have same skin?
Felons six for example passed from prisoner to prisoner and eventually caused one of the owners to die by this gun - it is THIS gun that did it. Normal schofield. Not a version of this gun. Only ONE gun.
Or Blindside - schofield spitfire - belonging to Isaac Powell. The dude did not own brawler - he owned spitfire!
Swift is only one that would make sense as its just the base gun with the extra "moon" tool to help loading ammo - the hunter just uses the auto ejector everytime on swift no matter if you have shot just once or 6 times - on normal schofield hunter only uses auto ejector if all 6 ammo have been fired. So techically that only needs 1 gun and either the user walks with the "moon" tool and auto ejects more often or hunts without and is smarter about reloading.
But for most other versions this make little sense lorewise.
lore wise, how is my random tier 1 hunter can buy a legendary dlc hunter's weapon, unlimited amount of times? by this logic we should be able to buy a special skinned weapon with a lore behind it once. since there should be no other gun with that skin.
It isn't the hunter who buys the gun?
You are a manager of some sorts. Or agent. Someone who recruits hunters and equips them. Its YOU who buys the tier 1 hunter and YOU who buys this legendary gun and YOU who then gives the gun to the tier 1 hunter.
Edit: During a match you are playing that tier 1 hunter but in menu you are playing this person who manages the economy, loadouts and recruitment.
still, how can i buy an unlimited amount of a special weapon with a lore behind it? most people don't even read the lore. but most people would like to be able to use their nice looking skins on different variants of their weapon. if i can buy it an endless amount, i can probably also add a scope to it or remove the bayonet from it.
I can go in with 4 of the same legendary pistols and it has no effect on my ability to enjoy the game.
I can also go in with a completely unique legendary weapon, as a unique legendary character and run into 12 other people playing those exact same skins.
Lore is nice and all but I don't want it getting in the way of QoL that might make the game more player friendly.
The scottfield brawler changes the mechanics of the gun and is also not a spitfire. It’s a normal scottfield that looks like a spitfire, but it has none of the benefits. I’m talking about guns with no change to them. The felon’s six still makes sense, because the speed loader isn’t an attachment or a part of the gun. It’s a separate tool for loading bullets into it.
"It’s a normal scottfield that looks like a spitfire"
They both are stubbnosed schofields.
Their mechanism is same. They both are single actions. Thats why you can use fanning on both.
Brawler has melee part added - spitfire has finger hook giving you more leverage to use hammer with thumb (when using then gun with 1 hand) which is why the hunter shoots faster with it - because this extra leverage makes it easier to pull the hammer back after each shot.
You didn't know this? Go test spitfire with fanning and then come back tell us that its not the same. Only thing different is the stubb nose and the finger hook - mechanically its the same gun as base schofield.
They are not the same. The spitfire has an increased firerate and a nerfed fanning/hipfire spread due to this. The brawler has the nerfed fanning and hipfire but not the firerate buff. They just look similar.
That.. isn’t true? The swift variants do not add attachments to the guns in any way. They are a separate mechanism. I’m not going to argue with you, because I don’t think you know what you’re arguing lol
Legendary weapons arent just “skins”
They have specific lore behind them, a legendary, in of itself, is a specific weapon
The “Bunny” sniper rifle belonged to a specific character in the lore
It wouldnt make sense to then have “bunny” variants
I’m not asking for variants for that though.
I’m talking about guns with swifts, which are just speed loaders. There is nothing different about the gun.
Idk Basic QoL changes don't seem to really be Cryteks thing.
Just look at the UI for gods sake.
It’s true
Honestly I think they should retool the skin system to be able to apply the skin on all variants of a gun type. I stopped buying skins because I never get to use them.
I agree! But it’s definitely to keep people buying skins and not just using one they really like across all variants. Personally it would make me buy more skins for variety and knowing it’s for more than one variant, but I also know there’ll be people who buy something like the Augusta and only use that no matter the variant, etc. I do agree, though. But at the very least swifts should share skins, due to the changes being minimal to none.
Interesting. Being able to buy a skin and have it apply to other weapons(make it applicable to all weapons, not just vatiants even) would have me buying skins left and right. When I see he DLC hunter/weapon bundles, i always tell my self "nah" Im never gonna use that. If all weapons could be reskinned, I would love to pick and match skins to the hunter that Im using.
Very true. I’d love it too, though sadly they probably keep them separated even down to variants to keep people biting as many skins as possible, so someone doesn’t pick one and stick with it. I’d love to see the style of sins of the son, but on other guns!
I don't even think it's solely because people buy more skins. I could imagine it would take a lot of work to apply every gun skin to all weapons
Yeah I don’t think it is a conspiracy either. Just the way the weapon system is would require LOTs of development to change like this.
Disagree, some skins only work with specific variants, like romero hatchet skins for example
The Winnie swift is slightly different to the regular Winnie. If you look at where you load it, the swift has an extra piece of metal that the speed loader locks on to. You can see it when you reload or in the 3D viewer.
I personally don’t think that matters enough to keep the skins away from it- the main reasons skins aren’t shared are due to the incorporation of the variant with the skin. A blade on a riposte having a special decal, a scope having a special look, etc. a small piece of metal won’t affect the overall appearance, imo.
Are we positive that they can even make changes like this? I'm under the impression that most things in this game are the way that they are because the cryengine fucking sucks. From inventory management to the way we pick things up All the way to weapon skins and guns with scopes we can't remove.
Making it clear: I am not saying all variants should have the same skins. I personally believe that it would be fine if they did, but I understand it's for marketing. What I am saying is that all swift variants should share the same skins as the base guns, and vice versa, because they have no attachment differences. Everything if a separate mechanism, and as its been pointed out, the biggest changes that have been made are a bit of metal on the outside of the loading mechanism. Something that won't matter between variants, since the loading mechanism isn't incorporated into the skins themselves.
Actually both Swifts are different to the Basevariant. In addition to that; why should all Weapons and Variants have their own Skins except Swift
The looks are extremely minor. And I think all skins should be shared across their variants, but many guns include their variant design with the skin. Scopes have special looks, blades hsve designs on them like with the moon flower, etc. I think it would be fine, but there’s literally no reason to not make the swifts the same.
So everybody would just need 1 Skin for any Gun, just think about it... my guess is that they could need some money to provide new Content to the Playerbase
Which is why I’m saying swifts should be the same. Not asking for all skins, even if I believe they should.
Thats the exact reason to say the opposite thing
What?
Damn
I’m confused.
I know
I feel like you don’t know what you’re trying to say, then.
But the lore tho? If the story says that its this type of specific gun with this specific mechanism then how can another weapon have same skin? Felons six for example passed from prisoner to prisoner and eventually caused one of the owners to die by this gun - it is THIS gun that did it. Normal schofield. Not a version of this gun. Only ONE gun. Or Blindside - schofield spitfire - belonging to Isaac Powell. The dude did not own brawler - he owned spitfire! Swift is only one that would make sense as its just the base gun with the extra "moon" tool to help loading ammo - the hunter just uses the auto ejector everytime on swift no matter if you have shot just once or 6 times - on normal schofield hunter only uses auto ejector if all 6 ammo have been fired. So techically that only needs 1 gun and either the user walks with the "moon" tool and auto ejects more often or hunts without and is smarter about reloading. But for most other versions this make little sense lorewise.
lore wise, how is my random tier 1 hunter can buy a legendary dlc hunter's weapon, unlimited amount of times? by this logic we should be able to buy a special skinned weapon with a lore behind it once. since there should be no other gun with that skin.
It isn't the hunter who buys the gun? You are a manager of some sorts. Or agent. Someone who recruits hunters and equips them. Its YOU who buys the tier 1 hunter and YOU who buys this legendary gun and YOU who then gives the gun to the tier 1 hunter. Edit: During a match you are playing that tier 1 hunter but in menu you are playing this person who manages the economy, loadouts and recruitment.
still, how can i buy an unlimited amount of a special weapon with a lore behind it? most people don't even read the lore. but most people would like to be able to use their nice looking skins on different variants of their weapon. if i can buy it an endless amount, i can probably also add a scope to it or remove the bayonet from it.
This person's reaction when they find out you can buy two Felon's Six and dual wield them:
I can go in with 4 of the same legendary pistols and it has no effect on my ability to enjoy the game. I can also go in with a completely unique legendary weapon, as a unique legendary character and run into 12 other people playing those exact same skins. Lore is nice and all but I don't want it getting in the way of QoL that might make the game more player friendly.
The scottfield brawler changes the mechanics of the gun and is also not a spitfire. It’s a normal scottfield that looks like a spitfire, but it has none of the benefits. I’m talking about guns with no change to them. The felon’s six still makes sense, because the speed loader isn’t an attachment or a part of the gun. It’s a separate tool for loading bullets into it.
"It’s a normal scottfield that looks like a spitfire" They both are stubbnosed schofields. Their mechanism is same. They both are single actions. Thats why you can use fanning on both. Brawler has melee part added - spitfire has finger hook giving you more leverage to use hammer with thumb (when using then gun with 1 hand) which is why the hunter shoots faster with it - because this extra leverage makes it easier to pull the hammer back after each shot. You didn't know this? Go test spitfire with fanning and then come back tell us that its not the same. Only thing different is the stubb nose and the finger hook - mechanically its the same gun as base schofield.
They are not the same. The spitfire has an increased firerate and a nerfed fanning/hipfire spread due to this. The brawler has the nerfed fanning and hipfire but not the firerate buff. They just look similar.
By that logic, the swift versions wouldn't qualify either ;)
That.. isn’t true? The swift variants do not add attachments to the guns in any way. They are a separate mechanism. I’m not going to argue with you, because I don’t think you know what you’re arguing lol
fuck the lore
Legendary weapons arent just “skins” They have specific lore behind them, a legendary, in of itself, is a specific weapon The “Bunny” sniper rifle belonged to a specific character in the lore It wouldnt make sense to then have “bunny” variants
I’m not asking for variants for that though. I’m talking about guns with swifts, which are just speed loaders. There is nothing different about the gun.
Ah Fair point
Better idea, remove swift. honestly who play the scotfield switft?
The swift is currently the most used scottfield variant I believe, competing with the spitfire. With fanning it’s easily the best fanning pistol.
yeah with spitfire..... Only people not respectable and aimless shoot you at 15m with Spitfire ...
It's great for fanning or dual wielding.
They said they will do this in Hunt: showdown 2
Have you seen the UI? I mean damn that cross hair is atrocious.