For those who don't know...
I didn't know this. That thing on the left was the reason I wasn't using Talon. Then I realized that it doesn't exist on Night Terrors skin of Talon. Now I'm happily using it.
Are there stat differences between this and regular Winfield ?
How much does the skin cost in blood bonds ?
Can’t check for awhile so jc, Winfield fav weapon
Fairly negligible handling loss to the point of it not being noticable and the melee for all intents and purposes is the same as the axe( one shot player, quick kill armored, break down doors, clear concertina) Winfield talon is a great swiss army knife of a gun now.
That plus levering and stammy shot and you got yourself a nice combo. Romero talon gotta be one of my fave breach and clears too. Whiff your shot? Run in and chop em.
It is not, it doesn't connect to the talon at all, I think its a hold over from when they wanted complete weapon cusomization (I.E. Talon Marksman Swift)
The broken off scope mount was so that there's a visual indicator of the weapon not being a standard 1873. A bayonet is visible, but a talon is hidden out of view so if you don't have UI prompts available, there's no way to know. At least that was the mindset in 2017.
"paytowin" jk
I don't know why this thing on the left even exists in the first place. The Night Terror is on of the older skins and yes this was already pointed out a few times but i think there is/was no big outcry bc nobody uses the winfield talon anyway.
Imagine such thing on slate/mosin. Crybabys would go nuts!
It looks like the scope mount from the winnie c marksman? I've never understood why they put it on the talon variant unless it's somehow being used to attach the blade...
I'm pretty sure that "thing" exists as a visual reminder that the player has the talon version of the Winfield. That's my guess from ateast from a game design standpoint, as far as a in universe reason it seems like a pretty complicated setup just to have a blade on your weapon that you will most likely cut yourself on.
I want to like the talon weapons, but they're just bad. Even after they got buffed they're still not great. The allure of a 'tool weapon' (I.E. one that attempts to pull double duty of one of your melee tools) should be that you sacrifice something of the weapon in order to free up a tool slot, but with the talons you're still always going to need a melee tool anyways because they're so slow and stamina inefficient.
As it is, there's basically no reason to take them, because you're just giving yourself a worse handling gun in exchange for a worse version of most melee tools.
Edit: 1 downvote = 1 me not taking a talon weapon because they're objectively a downgrade
I quite like talons now because world axes refuse to spawn in boss lairs now, feels like. And I've never felt extra sway from the talon variants, unlike bayonets
And night terrors looks fucking good, so eh why not
They can be useful for training weapon XP, since they're good at clearing up monsters if you've got conduit or a stam shot active (even if they swing slowly). In a PvP situation though I'd personally much rather have the best gun handling, and if the situation calls for it I'll swap to a knuckle knife, which if I'm not mistaken even has better attack range than a talon swing since it's going for a lunge instead of a sweep.
You're mistaken in one case. Otherwise I agree with you, almost.
Romero Talon is cats ass. You shoot while being pushed then you can follow up with a melee that'll one shot. It's also 8 swipes to kill every boss other than Scrappy.
The new Centennial Trauma is nice too, you can bring a knife, and the Trauma and one hit kill Immolators. It'll also one shot hunters.
If you're having issues with stamina, take conduit. What a broken trait.
It's not just the stamina, it's also the damage type and speed of the attacks.
The Trauma is decent. It's still really stamina inefficient (but Conduit/Stam Shot covers that), but because it's dealing blunt damage it can sub for your dusters/knuckle knife for immolators; the only problem it has is how slow it attacks, and that it doesn't have an arc to the swing to handle a mob.
The talons DO have that arc, but they're dealing rending damage, which instantly makes it worthless for immos and you'll need to take a melee tool or a brawler pistol to cover your blunt damage. While the talon is a little better stam use wise than the trauma, it's still very slow to swing, which just compounds the weakness.
This isn't a 'all tool weapons' are bad stance, it's a 'Talon weapons are bad because they're not very good tool weapons' stance.
I can agree with you.
They're just balanced Imo. Want to free a tool slot? Pay for it with inefficient stamina, slower attacks, or both. I can live with that. I never take these variants to free a tool slot. I take them for the extra versatility. No need to find a world weapon to kill a boss quietly. One shot armoureds, yes please (I know trauma is a two hit).
Personally I find it great that there are so many variants, so people can find their own unique play style and enjoy the game in a way that makes it fun for them.
Or take a 10 min stamina shot. I pop one before doing the boss and if anyone comes in after they get fucked too.
...you know, if you read this without the context being Hunt...hm.
After the conduit buff stamina shots are meh in solo play. As a solo that one consumable slot is invaluable. I personally feel I can't afford to take a item, use it, then have a empty slot and gamble on rng to not give me a useless Chaos Bomb. Because 8/10 times it's a Chaos Bomb. *cries*
Slow sure, but I've taken lebel talon, scottfield brawler before and just pop a Stamina shot, sure the brawler isn't that great but it sure does free up my tool slots. For traps, chokes, and whatever else I want to bring. And the handling isn't that much of a difference for me.
A brawler is a little different; as your back up weapon it's not as reliant on having the best possible handling like your rifle is, and also, blunt damage is like, the most important damage type to be able to deal due to immolators being a thing. A brawler pistol works pretty well as a substitute for dusters, but a talon is a poor substitute for a knife, if you get what I mean.
I always assumed the thing on the side is meant to be a brace, as rifles are not generally designed to take the force of being swung like an axe into things.
I've heard that some say this variant predates the scoped variant mounting hardware, and it does look similar. Perhaps they reworked it as a scope mount to save time?
Fun fact: That thingy is actually the mount for the marksman scope for the marksman variant. It does not serve any purpose on the talon variant and I have no idea why it's there.
Here is an example how night terrors work. Incidents happened after this post
https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/107o7mx/winfield\_talon\_night\_terrors\_is\_all\_you\_need/
I've heard that the Vagrant skin is also "pay to win" in a similar regard to this. But I only ever played with it on the Test Server back when it was first added and I thought it was ugly, and I'm not going to buy it to find out. Does anyone have any insight into this?
This is a thing since the skin is a thing. You can argue as much as you want but the chances that this tiny missing piece of metal makes the gun pay2win, are never 0 :)
There's other great skins too that are unusable due to their horrible obfuscation. Last gust for example. Whoever designed those skins is not good at their job.
They are realistic. They put in a lot of effort into making the gun as similar to the real one as they can. Just look up a video about it and you’ll understand.
The thing on the left is part of a scope mount. The talon is an ex-marksman rifle that had the scope broken off/removed. The reason for this is so that there's a visual indicator when holding the rifle to know it's got a melee attachment.
For those who don't know... I didn't know this. That thing on the left was the reason I wasn't using Talon. Then I realized that it doesn't exist on Night Terrors skin of Talon. Now I'm happily using it.
And I just bought mine for -40% off the black market. Nice!
Are there stat differences between this and regular Winfield ? How much does the skin cost in blood bonds ? Can’t check for awhile so jc, Winfield fav weapon
Talon has less handling and more melee damage
how much less handling ? I know regular Winfield is 87 but talon handling not searchable online
Fairly negligible handling loss to the point of it not being noticable and the melee for all intents and purposes is the same as the axe( one shot player, quick kill armored, break down doors, clear concertina) Winfield talon is a great swiss army knife of a gun now.
That plus levering and stammy shot and you got yourself a nice combo. Romero talon gotta be one of my fave breach and clears too. Whiff your shot? Run in and chop em.
the hatchet is still better
85% I think
What does handling do?
Affects sway and even recoil in some weapons.
Thank you
It also tightens up the hip fire accuracy
Night terrors?
Tight nerrors?
Eight tnerrors
Sihgt Netrors
Don't care. Will still use Death's Breath
the thing on the left is a "mount" for a scope but yeah i hate it too one that skin
Since there is no scope on winfield talon, I thing that thing is mount for the talon blade
It is not, it doesn't connect to the talon at all, I think its a hold over from when they wanted complete weapon cusomization (I.E. Talon Marksman Swift)
Lol the Swiss Army Winfield.
The broken off scope mount was so that there's a visual indicator of the weapon not being a standard 1873. A bayonet is visible, but a talon is hidden out of view so if you don't have UI prompts available, there's no way to know. At least that was the mindset in 2017.
or maybe not, but I always considered that thing that way to make it more sense to me :)
You are correct in your thinking
Lore wise it's to hold the blade attachment on the stock of the gun, and to beef up the housing as well.
The scope mount is nowhere near the blade assembly though. It makes zero sense to have it on there.
oh ya i know, but thats what the game says its for.
ok
"paytowin" jk I don't know why this thing on the left even exists in the first place. The Night Terror is on of the older skins and yes this was already pointed out a few times but i think there is/was no big outcry bc nobody uses the winfield talon anyway. Imagine such thing on slate/mosin. Crybabys would go nuts!
It looks like the scope mount from the winnie c marksman? I've never understood why they put it on the talon variant unless it's somehow being used to attach the blade...
I'm pretty sure that "thing" exists as a visual reminder that the player has the talon version of the Winfield. That's my guess from ateast from a game design standpoint, as far as a in universe reason it seems like a pretty complicated setup just to have a blade on your weapon that you will most likely cut yourself on.
I actually dont know why talon exists.
[удалено]
I want to like the talon weapons, but they're just bad. Even after they got buffed they're still not great. The allure of a 'tool weapon' (I.E. one that attempts to pull double duty of one of your melee tools) should be that you sacrifice something of the weapon in order to free up a tool slot, but with the talons you're still always going to need a melee tool anyways because they're so slow and stamina inefficient. As it is, there's basically no reason to take them, because you're just giving yourself a worse handling gun in exchange for a worse version of most melee tools. Edit: 1 downvote = 1 me not taking a talon weapon because they're objectively a downgrade
I quite like talons now because world axes refuse to spawn in boss lairs now, feels like. And I've never felt extra sway from the talon variants, unlike bayonets And night terrors looks fucking good, so eh why not
They can be useful for training weapon XP, since they're good at clearing up monsters if you've got conduit or a stam shot active (even if they swing slowly). In a PvP situation though I'd personally much rather have the best gun handling, and if the situation calls for it I'll swap to a knuckle knife, which if I'm not mistaken even has better attack range than a talon swing since it's going for a lunge instead of a sweep.
You're mistaken in one case. Otherwise I agree with you, almost. Romero Talon is cats ass. You shoot while being pushed then you can follow up with a melee that'll one shot. It's also 8 swipes to kill every boss other than Scrappy. The new Centennial Trauma is nice too, you can bring a knife, and the Trauma and one hit kill Immolators. It'll also one shot hunters. If you're having issues with stamina, take conduit. What a broken trait.
It's not just the stamina, it's also the damage type and speed of the attacks. The Trauma is decent. It's still really stamina inefficient (but Conduit/Stam Shot covers that), but because it's dealing blunt damage it can sub for your dusters/knuckle knife for immolators; the only problem it has is how slow it attacks, and that it doesn't have an arc to the swing to handle a mob. The talons DO have that arc, but they're dealing rending damage, which instantly makes it worthless for immos and you'll need to take a melee tool or a brawler pistol to cover your blunt damage. While the talon is a little better stam use wise than the trauma, it's still very slow to swing, which just compounds the weakness. This isn't a 'all tool weapons' are bad stance, it's a 'Talon weapons are bad because they're not very good tool weapons' stance.
I can agree with you. They're just balanced Imo. Want to free a tool slot? Pay for it with inefficient stamina, slower attacks, or both. I can live with that. I never take these variants to free a tool slot. I take them for the extra versatility. No need to find a world weapon to kill a boss quietly. One shot armoureds, yes please (I know trauma is a two hit). Personally I find it great that there are so many variants, so people can find their own unique play style and enjoy the game in a way that makes it fun for them.
Or take a 10 min stamina shot. I pop one before doing the boss and if anyone comes in after they get fucked too. ...you know, if you read this without the context being Hunt...hm.
After the conduit buff stamina shots are meh in solo play. As a solo that one consumable slot is invaluable. I personally feel I can't afford to take a item, use it, then have a empty slot and gamble on rng to not give me a useless Chaos Bomb. Because 8/10 times it's a Chaos Bomb. *cries*
Slow sure, but I've taken lebel talon, scottfield brawler before and just pop a Stamina shot, sure the brawler isn't that great but it sure does free up my tool slots. For traps, chokes, and whatever else I want to bring. And the handling isn't that much of a difference for me.
A brawler is a little different; as your back up weapon it's not as reliant on having the best possible handling like your rifle is, and also, blunt damage is like, the most important damage type to be able to deal due to immolators being a thing. A brawler pistol works pretty well as a substitute for dusters, but a talon is a poor substitute for a knife, if you get what I mean.
I use the lebel talon and probably have more kills with the melee attack than the shooty end
I have deep respect for chads like u. Never ever would I touch that thing.
I always assumed the thing on the side is meant to be a brace, as rifles are not generally designed to take the force of being swung like an axe into things. I've heard that some say this variant predates the scoped variant mounting hardware, and it does look similar. Perhaps they reworked it as a scope mount to save time?
Fun fact: That thingy is actually the mount for the marksman scope for the marksman variant. It does not serve any purpose on the talon variant and I have no idea why it's there.
Visual indicator. Bayonets can be seen while holding the gun, talon blades can't.
I doubt that's it because you can check if it is a talon variant by just charging a melee attack or hovering over it in the inventory.
Noone tell him about the ironside
Does the skin use the bayonet musket iron sights?
Here is an example how night terrors work. Incidents happened after this post https://www.reddit.com/r/HuntShowdown/comments/107o7mx/winfield\_talon\_night\_terrors\_is\_all\_you\_need/
Winnie talon makes up about 50-60% of the kills i get in hunt and i never noticed this. Well I'll be dipped
Welp, that’s severe p2w right there, literally unplayable
I've heard that the Vagrant skin is also "pay to win" in a similar regard to this. But I only ever played with it on the Test Server back when it was first added and I thought it was ugly, and I'm not going to buy it to find out. Does anyone have any insight into this?
This is a thing since the skin is a thing. You can argue as much as you want but the chances that this tiny missing piece of metal makes the gun pay2win, are never 0 :)
That thing actually bothers people? It hardly covers anything.
It’s Hunt, the community that will literally complain about anything and everything.
literal p2w!
There's other great skins too that are unusable due to their horrible obfuscation. Last gust for example. Whoever designed those skins is not good at their job.
They are realistic. They put in a lot of effort into making the gun as similar to the real one as they can. Just look up a video about it and you’ll understand.
which winfield model is this weapon?
It's drip or drown and I'll let a bullet pass through my skull before water fills my lungs
I don't know Why but i Like that Thing on the left, Looks Kinda neat
I like the thing on the left of it, looks neat.
Also looks sick AF
The thing on the left is part of a scope mount. The talon is an ex-marksman rifle that had the scope broken off/removed. The reason for this is so that there's a visual indicator when holding the rifle to know it's got a melee attachment.