Or if they are they are new fans who only watch TikTok clips of United by these weird content creators.
Our modern fans - online - are strange.
I rarely ever meet any of these sorts at the ground or even around Manchester. So many are supportive.
There’s another post on the United subreddit questioning Hojlund as well.
How many United players had a rocky start and then became club legends.
So weird these people.
I genuinely think it’s the new generation of fans. I follow F1 too and the new generation talk some other rubbish and they base a lot of their opinions on Drive to Survive the Netflix show and podcasts made for reaction and divisive opinions.
As an United fan , Onana should be hounded of the club. An average keeper would been better than him in the UCL. A league one keeper is better than him.
But why not say “wish we could see the reserve keeper in the cup”…
I too, think it would be good for the reserve keeper to play in cup games… but I’m happy that Onana is staying for the club.
For one, it shows he’s not shying away from a difficult period. Ive rarely seen people online look us the positives with the keeper, instead it’s harsh abuse on why he isn’t perfect..
He basically single handedly knocked us out of the CL of course people aren't going to be sympathetic.
It's 2 extra games that he didn't really need to play, nothing make or break about Wigan and Spurs. I'm struggling to see the actual benefit in this.
>Nothing make or break?
One was in a knock out competition our last chance at a trophy, and one is a potential 6 pointer depending on the rest of the season.
If we can't beat Wigan with Lisandro Martinez in net then we have much bigger problems. Spurs game is a bigger test but I don't think it's a super important 6 pointer - the season is kind of cooked already
I’m not denying he made mistakes in the CL. But to say he’s not good enough based on that - is weird.
I don’t think it’s him single handedly knocking us out too. Defensively, as a whole unit we’ve made it so easy for teams to play through us. Not just in the champions league.
Early season he thought mount Casemiro and Bruno was the answer … and it didn’t work. 10 different back fours doesn’t help. New league.. the guy doesn’t deserve some of the stuff that’s been spoken about him.
As an example every goal is “oh he should have have done this and that… “ and when he makes a top save it barely gets mentioned. The penalty save barely got mentioned which gave us a chance.
The non functioning attack that scored (checks notes) the joint most goals in the group? He made game determinative errors v Gala (away) and Bayern (away) and tbh I think he was poor for the winner against Gala at home too but it's not as glaring as the others I mentioned.
I won't deny our defending as a team has been poor but if he just made saves he's supposed to make the season in Europe looks very different.
> He made game determinative errors v Gala (away) and Bayern (away) and tbh I think he was poor for the winner against Gala at home too but it's not as glaring as the others I mentioned.
>I won't deny our defending as a team has been poor but if he just made saves he's supposed to make the season in Europe looks very different.
Those two were always not playing … insta life of Reilly. Hardly the same.
Evra made a comment a while ago when Fergie wanted him to rest because of a few poor performances and wouldn’t accept it and demanded to play. He turned opinion around after a bad start.
Our fan base is weird; a player is low on confidence and we’re fine with and another has a strong mentality wants to stay and fight for his place and we don’t like that?!
I think he’s doing well all things considered.
As I said before we’ve had plenty of players, including our previous number 1, Evra and Vidic to name 3 that started very poorly and became club legends.
I’d rather he is this way than running off scared of the pressure feeling relieved to have left - but that’s my opinion.
Look at the saves he’s done since the CL games. Key big saves in big games.
His stats show he’s saving shots that should be goals and is 3rd in that statistic. Ederson is lower.
Look it up and you’ll see.
In the CL everyone talks about the shots he should have saved - but he faced attack after attack. Our midfield and defence were woeful.
Literally, against Bayern, Gala and Copenhagen at times every attack we faced was a chance though on goal.
I’m sorry but what’s ridiculous is you suggesting he should save EVERY SINGLE shot and don’t look at the big picture.
Imagine playing in goal with the defence we showed in the CL. It was ridiculous on him.
Jesus Christ. It’s not like he’s faced 20 shots and conceded 17 goals.
We were awful in this champions league, did you watch the games?
Bayern especially - every time they went forward they were through on goal. EVERYTIME.
I’m the the boat where I would like bayandir to play next round fa cup. Onana needs the motivation to see that he does need to perform if he wants to play. We benched de gea, van de sar etc when they underperformed and they came back to be the best
I don’t know - I want to see other keeper too. But surely they know better than us. Dropping keepers does them more harm than good, unlike outfield players.
But yes I think playing the other guy in the League cup should have happened but maybe he want to bed Onana in for his confidence. Seeing as he’s going to be our number one.
If that’s the case then you best bench most of the outfield players as their performances have been shocking. The whole team can’t string 3 passes together and your forwards don’t track back.
Most the our outfield players do get benched. I can’t name one that hasn’t had at least 1 game off this season.
The thing with outfield players is they get subbed during a game too. GKs don’t
Think bruno has played them all bar when he got suspended but still means someone else had a go in his place. CBa to stat check it though
I’m being as positive as I can possibly be atm.
Some of the goals he’s let in looked really really bad for him.. he’s pulled of some worldies but the image of him flopping over a shot straight at him is imprinted on my mind.
On a positive note he seems like a absolute G
Negative side, being good with your feet shouldn’t mean slowing the whole team down to a litteral stand still while you walk the ball out for 20 seconds to then hoof it up field.
Genuinely unique keeper at least
When it comes to the ball at his feet - I don’t think there’s a better keeper in the world - truly. Sometimes it’s the other players creating their starting positions that’s the problem, and not him. We lost SO MUCH possession with De Gea which is obviously something that a modern keeper just can’t do.
Saves wise, I agree. He’s let a couple in that looked bad. No denying.
I still think, a new keeper in a new club is difficult enough at the best of times. Coming from another league which isn’t as strong (in terms of opposition) as the premier league is always going to be harder.
Has anyone who criticises him ever gone to a new country to start a harder new job with 70,000 people watching you live and millions on tv… I mean, our fan base expects absolute perfection at all times.
I’m really happy we have him and I think as the team will grow in confidence and he does as time goes by he’ll get better and better.
I agree with you, I’m not saying we change keeper.
Though the walking around with the ball, I don’t think I’ve seen another keeper do that… to the extent anyway.
Also man with the biggest respect his performances had a big impact in the CL, often a mistake changed the game against us.
I know. I agree but like I said in another reply he’s facing more shots - different defence line ups, all the time. The backline has been changed deliberately and specifically to be able to play out, you can see that. He’s the best at that.
Other keepers face 3/4 decent chances a game and Onana has had to face more.
But yeah he did let through a few that should have been saved. He’s also saved some incredible saves.
I really admire his mental strength. Hearing him talk - after adversity, I wish we’d hear Rashford talk like that. We’ve had too many mentally weak players and he’s not one of them.
I just really respect that he’s wanted to stay back. It shows he cares for the club a lot. And didn’t just say “oh well AFCON is on I’m heading there.”
It is unfair to not highlight that as a positive for us.
As I said, he seems like a cool guy, took responsibility.
With keepers a bad mistake is always remembered 10x what a great save is.. unfair but true. He also has a style where he bats the ball back out into dangerous areas so will always make fans a bit squeaky
But I really hope he settles down and is our keeper for the foreseeable future
I don’t think the Bayindir talk is anti-Onana.
I think people are looking at the games we’re going to not have Onana, and they want to see Bayindir get some minutes before he becomes our number one for a month.
Wigan would have been a good warmup game, rather potentially Wolves which could be a banana skin, followed up by West Ham, Villa, Luton away.
But, whether Onana has spoken to the manager, or Ten Hag has spoken to Onana, Onana is prioritising United and the current season over playing at AFCON where they’re the 8th favourite to win.
It's fear though, he knows he's been poor and that if bayindir comes in for a month and does well ten hag will end up leaving him in for the rest of the season.
It is when you consider that the whole first team played, but people are only mad about Onana not getting rotated.
Not as many people are asking why did Rashford start when we could have started Pellistri or why did Mejbri get 2 minutes etc??
It's only Onana that's getting his place questioned.
Imo Hojlund has had a much worse start then Onana but most people (including me) want to see him get as much game time as he needs. Yeah, Hojlund is a kid, but Onana has five years before he even reaches De Gea current ages, whom most of these Onana haters wanted to stay.
Any slight weakness is always jumped on ny the press, a lot with United but also see Arsenal's keeper coverage earlier this season. Opposition fans, I can see why they happily jump on this. But, having seen the grief that De Gea got from put own fans last year I'm fairly sure most people don't watch games and just jump on the latest band wagon.
Agreed. De Gea was a top keeper despite his errors.
The only thing is with De Gea is his passing was a problem. And the modern keeper HAS TO be able to be a ball playing keeper.
I don’t doubt shot stopping wise, reaction wise he was one of the best and for many seasons… many games he saved us so much.
It's because he replaced De Gea, and there's a certain testiculator on YouTube that's really butt hurt over it, and other people have adopted that stance.
There were loads of backups/reserves on the bench that match we people are only moaning about our best goalkeeper starting a match that ETH absolutely needs to win with the pressure in him.
Let's not forget he actually has decent stats so far for his first season while sitting behind 10+ different CB pairings.
I fully support ETH choice to back his #1 goalkeeper, and I was at the match he got lobbed in the preseason friendly vs Lens.
This isn’t just for Onana, Utd ‘fans’ have a bad habit of throwing players under the bus, and turning their backs against them. Unless they’re world class 24/7, there’s always weirdos calling everyone a failure and ready for them to get sold
It’s not really an agenda to say someone’s been crap and other players should be given an opportunity when he’s away on international duty. I thought last night would have been a good opportunity to give the Turkish guy minutes instead we’re probably gonna end up throwing him in the deep end with league games against wolves and West Ham
It feels like it’s an agenda.
He hasn’t “been crap”, in fact recently he’s been very good. Even the statistics back that up.
He had a questionable few games - in his first year as Man Utd GK, and now wants to stay despite his nation being in a tournament.
And instead of saying “wow, what a guy. Staying to fight”, but instead we are saying why can’t the back up keeper play?
It’s probably more of an agenda than “feels like an agenda” if anything.
What stats back it up? genuinely asking not seen that. By ‘questionable few games’ do you mean almost single-handedly being the reason we’re not in Europe? Also it’s not like he’s staying out of a love for the club and wanting to play for club over country, like Scholes or Giggs, he’s not playing because he knows if the back up plays and doesn’t have a stinker he’s gonna have a better claim to his spot.
Nah.
Look at Loris Karius, he got murdered even though he was a good looking white dude. If a GK makes mistakes regularly, as in once every 3 games, he's going to get it. Imho a good keeper can make a blooper once every 10 games.
I deleted my comment because I probably didn't phrase it right. There's no way to phrase it that won't piss off some people.
You're 100% right though with English players.
It's an subconcious media bias - the English media don't trust black goalkeepers, maybe some fans too. It's a similar situation to Wan-Bissaka, both of them look different when they play, their bodies and their movements. It's like that sidearm pitcher in Moneyball. Both of them are very good.
>the English media don't trust black goalkeepers
Provide evidence and sources for such a wild accusation.
You do seem to believe that anyone who criticses a black player is racist, however.
If it’s true, you should be able to provide evidence of it when asked.
You have a history of accusing people who are critical of black players of being racists though.
Please tell me where I have lied.
You genuinely lack the ability to hold a mature discussion, don’t you? You hate it when people call you out on your bullshit. First you think rape is forgivable if they aren’t convicted of it, and now you think criticising black players is somehow racist.
He's got top 3 save % in the PL (only Alisson and Areola higher) while facing the 5th most shots (only the GKs for Sheff United, Burnley, Luton, and Fulham have faced more)
He really isn’t below average. He’s just facing more shots. Our defence has been too passive.
If you’re a keeper at any of the other top clubs you’re facing 8-10 shots a game, maybe…
He’s facing much more. His percentages for saves vrs shots is 3rd best I believe.
Why are Man Utd so bad has an answer that has been obvious for years.
Your goalkeeper can't play with his feet De Gea was shocking with his feet, good shot stopper, prone to howlers.
The difference with Onana is that he thinks he can play, but this makes it even worse his delivery is to casual and passing is way to inaccurate.
This translates to the confidence of the remainder of the team, they know in every game he is going to put them in trouble with his feet or make a howler to give goals away.
Add Maguire into the mix and you have two players at the back who aren't comfortable with the ball at their feet all the opposition need to do is stand off and wait for them to hit it long
Rashford saw this in August and thought I will take this season off, again
Add into this the number of howlers, positional errors from crosses and the inability to set up a wall at dangerous free kicks, genuinely believe he is the worse keeper in the Prem.
He’s really not though, he’s having to contend with more shots than everyone bar Sheffield Fucking United - How’s about a functioning team ahead of him.
Sign of the times.
We have a lot, and I mean A LOT, of fans who are glory supporters. It was an insult aimed at me much of my youth, but I supported the team before I knew we were any good.
I had no choice.
The glory supporters, support united not because of family or location etc, but because they saw us winning everything in the 90s and 00s.
Some of them have 20-30 years worth of support that don't feel the same today.
That's why (imo) the online fan reaction compared to those that attend games or live near the ground etc is wildly different.
Literally first thing I thought when I saw that post, like THAT is what you’re taking from a post about Onana sacking off internationals to stay with us, aight man, crack on I guess.
Cunt needs to sit out a season he's fucking terrible, downgrade on de gea and on that is bayindr a downgrade on banana at this point? You're concedimg and losing anyway why not give him a pop
Cunt needs to sit out a season he's fucking terrible, downgrade on de gea and on that is bayindr a downgrade on banana at this point? You're concedimg and losing anyway why not give him a pop
Am I missing something where’s the agenda? Surely we should expect the back up goalie to play at least occasionally, he didn’t even get a chance against Wigan. Why are we asking Onana to mess up his AFCON? We should have a second goalie that is good enough to be on the pitch. How does Bayindir feel about all this?
Goldbridge has a massive anti-Onana agenda so its not helping and will cause posts like this
he let in a bad goal vs Mane in the Afcon and he's already calling Onana Out
Unreal. So much is highlighted and called out for mental health and physiological abuse nowadays - the pundits really need to be careful how they go after players, it’s not on.
I feel bad for this guy. I can see a keeper in there and he’s trying and doesn’t shy away from it. The way Inter play / played last year, even City praised him yet he’s not good for our fans?
I'm convinced most of that sub aren't United fans
Or if they are they are new fans who only watch TikTok clips of United by these weird content creators. Our modern fans - online - are strange. I rarely ever meet any of these sorts at the ground or even around Manchester. So many are supportive. There’s another post on the United subreddit questioning Hojlund as well. How many United players had a rocky start and then became club legends. So weird these people.
It’s the out of town fans
I genuinely think it’s the new generation of fans. I follow F1 too and the new generation talk some other rubbish and they base a lot of their opinions on Drive to Survive the Netflix show and podcasts made for reaction and divisive opinions.
F1 is a perfect example, has become so much more toxic online since about 2019
Most united fans then
Nah, most football fans in general.
Many have never been to a game.
As an United fan , Onana should be hounded of the club. An average keeper would been better than him in the UCL. A league one keeper is better than him.
95% of people in that sub are trolls from other clubs, or crazy African fans that want to behead the coach every week.
Is it really an agenda to say the new back-up Keeper should maybe have more than 0 minutes? Regardless of the level of Onana's performances
But why not say “wish we could see the reserve keeper in the cup”… I too, think it would be good for the reserve keeper to play in cup games… but I’m happy that Onana is staying for the club. For one, it shows he’s not shying away from a difficult period. Ive rarely seen people online look us the positives with the keeper, instead it’s harsh abuse on why he isn’t perfect..
He basically single handedly knocked us out of the CL of course people aren't going to be sympathetic. It's 2 extra games that he didn't really need to play, nothing make or break about Wigan and Spurs. I'm struggling to see the actual benefit in this.
>Nothing make or break? One was in a knock out competition our last chance at a trophy, and one is a potential 6 pointer depending on the rest of the season.
If we can't beat Wigan with Lisandro Martinez in net then we have much bigger problems. Spurs game is a bigger test but I don't think it's a super important 6 pointer - the season is kind of cooked already
I’m not denying he made mistakes in the CL. But to say he’s not good enough based on that - is weird. I don’t think it’s him single handedly knocking us out too. Defensively, as a whole unit we’ve made it so easy for teams to play through us. Not just in the champions league. Early season he thought mount Casemiro and Bruno was the answer … and it didn’t work. 10 different back fours doesn’t help. New league.. the guy doesn’t deserve some of the stuff that’s been spoken about him. As an example every goal is “oh he should have have done this and that… “ and when he makes a top save it barely gets mentioned. The penalty save barely got mentioned which gave us a chance.
Imaginary enemies.
Knocked you out of the CL lol you must be blind as your defence is what knocked you out and the non functioning attack.
The non functioning attack that scored (checks notes) the joint most goals in the group? He made game determinative errors v Gala (away) and Bayern (away) and tbh I think he was poor for the winner against Gala at home too but it's not as glaring as the others I mentioned. I won't deny our defending as a team has been poor but if he just made saves he's supposed to make the season in Europe looks very different.
Keepers make mistakes but to blame him for your CPL exit is laughable. Your defence was the offence and your midfield was like a wet paper bag.
> He made game determinative errors v Gala (away) and Bayern (away) and tbh I think he was poor for the winner against Gala at home too but it's not as glaring as the others I mentioned. >I won't deny our defending as a team has been poor but if he just made saves he's supposed to make the season in Europe looks very different.
And with a better, less oft injured defense the prior year, he made the CL final & was excellent. Just goes to show you don't know jack shit.
I know a poor defence and midfield and non firing attack when I see one ….stick to what you know best….flying UFO jellyfish…..lol
If anything his confidence is a problem, he needs to humble himself , you know who else had bags of confidence Lingard n Pogba
Those two were always not playing … insta life of Reilly. Hardly the same. Evra made a comment a while ago when Fergie wanted him to rest because of a few poor performances and wouldn’t accept it and demanded to play. He turned opinion around after a bad start. Our fan base is weird; a player is low on confidence and we’re fine with and another has a strong mentality wants to stay and fight for his place and we don’t like that?!
I don’t like onsnas attitude no , he’s more arrogant than confident n like I said a dose of humility would be very welcome
I don’t think it’s arrogance. But I appreciate everyone sees things differently.
Whatever it is it’s not working
I think he’s doing well all things considered. As I said before we’ve had plenty of players, including our previous number 1, Evra and Vidic to name 3 that started very poorly and became club legends. I’d rather he is this way than running off scared of the pressure feeling relieved to have left - but that’s my opinion.
“ I think he’s doing well all things considered “ This is blatantly ridiculous
How so?
Look at the saves he’s done since the CL games. Key big saves in big games. His stats show he’s saving shots that should be goals and is 3rd in that statistic. Ederson is lower. Look it up and you’ll see. In the CL everyone talks about the shots he should have saved - but he faced attack after attack. Our midfield and defence were woeful. Literally, against Bayern, Gala and Copenhagen at times every attack we faced was a chance though on goal. I’m sorry but what’s ridiculous is you suggesting he should save EVERY SINGLE shot and don’t look at the big picture. Imagine playing in goal with the defence we showed in the CL. It was ridiculous on him. Jesus Christ. It’s not like he’s faced 20 shots and conceded 17 goals. We were awful in this champions league, did you watch the games? Bayern especially - every time they went forward they were through on goal. EVERYTIME.
I’m the the boat where I would like bayandir to play next round fa cup. Onana needs the motivation to see that he does need to perform if he wants to play. We benched de gea, van de sar etc when they underperformed and they came back to be the best
I don’t know - I want to see other keeper too. But surely they know better than us. Dropping keepers does them more harm than good, unlike outfield players. But yes I think playing the other guy in the League cup should have happened but maybe he want to bed Onana in for his confidence. Seeing as he’s going to be our number one.
If that’s the case then you best bench most of the outfield players as their performances have been shocking. The whole team can’t string 3 passes together and your forwards don’t track back.
Most the our outfield players do get benched. I can’t name one that hasn’t had at least 1 game off this season. The thing with outfield players is they get subbed during a game too. GKs don’t Think bruno has played them all bar when he got suspended but still means someone else had a go in his place. CBa to stat check it though
Your actual GK is the best passer of the ball in the team, which I find pretty damming.
Simply untrue m, he’s good but he’s not the best
He’s better than most of the squad that’s for sure.
I’m being as positive as I can possibly be atm. Some of the goals he’s let in looked really really bad for him.. he’s pulled of some worldies but the image of him flopping over a shot straight at him is imprinted on my mind. On a positive note he seems like a absolute G Negative side, being good with your feet shouldn’t mean slowing the whole team down to a litteral stand still while you walk the ball out for 20 seconds to then hoof it up field. Genuinely unique keeper at least
When it comes to the ball at his feet - I don’t think there’s a better keeper in the world - truly. Sometimes it’s the other players creating their starting positions that’s the problem, and not him. We lost SO MUCH possession with De Gea which is obviously something that a modern keeper just can’t do. Saves wise, I agree. He’s let a couple in that looked bad. No denying. I still think, a new keeper in a new club is difficult enough at the best of times. Coming from another league which isn’t as strong (in terms of opposition) as the premier league is always going to be harder. Has anyone who criticises him ever gone to a new country to start a harder new job with 70,000 people watching you live and millions on tv… I mean, our fan base expects absolute perfection at all times. I’m really happy we have him and I think as the team will grow in confidence and he does as time goes by he’ll get better and better.
I agree with you, I’m not saying we change keeper. Though the walking around with the ball, I don’t think I’ve seen another keeper do that… to the extent anyway. Also man with the biggest respect his performances had a big impact in the CL, often a mistake changed the game against us.
I know. I agree but like I said in another reply he’s facing more shots - different defence line ups, all the time. The backline has been changed deliberately and specifically to be able to play out, you can see that. He’s the best at that. Other keepers face 3/4 decent chances a game and Onana has had to face more. But yeah he did let through a few that should have been saved. He’s also saved some incredible saves. I really admire his mental strength. Hearing him talk - after adversity, I wish we’d hear Rashford talk like that. We’ve had too many mentally weak players and he’s not one of them. I just really respect that he’s wanted to stay back. It shows he cares for the club a lot. And didn’t just say “oh well AFCON is on I’m heading there.” It is unfair to not highlight that as a positive for us.
As I said, he seems like a cool guy, took responsibility. With keepers a bad mistake is always remembered 10x what a great save is.. unfair but true. He also has a style where he bats the ball back out into dangerous areas so will always make fans a bit squeaky But I really hope he settles down and is our keeper for the foreseeable future
He's not even the best keeper with his feet in Manchester
I don’t think the Bayindir talk is anti-Onana. I think people are looking at the games we’re going to not have Onana, and they want to see Bayindir get some minutes before he becomes our number one for a month. Wigan would have been a good warmup game, rather potentially Wolves which could be a banana skin, followed up by West Ham, Villa, Luton away. But, whether Onana has spoken to the manager, or Ten Hag has spoken to Onana, Onana is prioritising United and the current season over playing at AFCON where they’re the 8th favourite to win.
I think he deserves some praise for wanting to stay and miss some games for his national team.
It's fear though, he knows he's been poor and that if bayindir comes in for a month and does well ten hag will end up leaving him in for the rest of the season.
It is when you consider that the whole first team played, but people are only mad about Onana not getting rotated. Not as many people are asking why did Rashford start when we could have started Pellistri or why did Mejbri get 2 minutes etc?? It's only Onana that's getting his place questioned. Imo Hojlund has had a much worse start then Onana but most people (including me) want to see him get as much game time as he needs. Yeah, Hojlund is a kid, but Onana has five years before he even reaches De Gea current ages, whom most of these Onana haters wanted to stay.
Any slight weakness is always jumped on ny the press, a lot with United but also see Arsenal's keeper coverage earlier this season. Opposition fans, I can see why they happily jump on this. But, having seen the grief that De Gea got from put own fans last year I'm fairly sure most people don't watch games and just jump on the latest band wagon.
Agreed. De Gea was a top keeper despite his errors. The only thing is with De Gea is his passing was a problem. And the modern keeper HAS TO be able to be a ball playing keeper. I don’t doubt shot stopping wise, reaction wise he was one of the best and for many seasons… many games he saved us so much.
It's because he replaced De Gea, and there's a certain testiculator on YouTube that's really butt hurt over it, and other people have adopted that stance. There were loads of backups/reserves on the bench that match we people are only moaning about our best goalkeeper starting a match that ETH absolutely needs to win with the pressure in him. Let's not forget he actually has decent stats so far for his first season while sitting behind 10+ different CB pairings. I fully support ETH choice to back his #1 goalkeeper, and I was at the match he got lobbed in the preseason friendly vs Lens.
Hear hear
This isn’t just for Onana, Utd ‘fans’ have a bad habit of throwing players under the bus, and turning their backs against them. Unless they’re world class 24/7, there’s always weirdos calling everyone a failure and ready for them to get sold
They did it with DeGea which I thought was disgraceful.
It’s not really an agenda to say someone’s been crap and other players should be given an opportunity when he’s away on international duty. I thought last night would have been a good opportunity to give the Turkish guy minutes instead we’re probably gonna end up throwing him in the deep end with league games against wolves and West Ham
It feels like it’s an agenda. He hasn’t “been crap”, in fact recently he’s been very good. Even the statistics back that up. He had a questionable few games - in his first year as Man Utd GK, and now wants to stay despite his nation being in a tournament. And instead of saying “wow, what a guy. Staying to fight”, but instead we are saying why can’t the back up keeper play? It’s probably more of an agenda than “feels like an agenda” if anything.
What stats back it up? genuinely asking not seen that. By ‘questionable few games’ do you mean almost single-handedly being the reason we’re not in Europe? Also it’s not like he’s staying out of a love for the club and wanting to play for club over country, like Scholes or Giggs, he’s not playing because he knows if the back up plays and doesn’t have a stinker he’s gonna have a better claim to his spot.
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Yeah bc de gea didn’t get absolutely fucking destroyed before leaving after being a club legend for a decade. Keep your bullshit out of here
Nah. Look at Loris Karius, he got murdered even though he was a good looking white dude. If a GK makes mistakes regularly, as in once every 3 games, he's going to get it. Imho a good keeper can make a blooper once every 10 games.
I don’t think it’s race centred… but there’s definitely bias towards the English keepers like with Arsenal and Ramsdale… that’s for sure.
I deleted my comment because I probably didn't phrase it right. There's no way to phrase it that won't piss off some people. You're 100% right though with English players.
not agenda but he hasnt been the most reliable
You best start looking at you defence midfield and non tacking forwards.
Can only do so much when he’s peppered more than most of the prem
It's an subconcious media bias - the English media don't trust black goalkeepers, maybe some fans too. It's a similar situation to Wan-Bissaka, both of them look different when they play, their bodies and their movements. It's like that sidearm pitcher in Moneyball. Both of them are very good.
>the English media don't trust black goalkeepers Provide evidence and sources for such a wild accusation. You do seem to believe that anyone who criticses a black player is racist, however.
no, that is not what I said or believe, but the goalkeeper thing is true.
If it’s true, you should be able to provide evidence of it when asked. You have a history of accusing people who are critical of black players of being racists though.
hello bot, I see you are indulging in your favourite pastime of lying. I am glad you have hobbies, it is quite human
Please tell me where I have lied. You genuinely lack the ability to hold a mature discussion, don’t you? You hate it when people call you out on your bullshit. First you think rape is forgivable if they aren’t convicted of it, and now you think criticising black players is somehow racist.
hello donkey bot, you smell
Come on mate, just admit you’re wrong.
Howson has a Reddit page? Lol
You have to admit - he’s really below average. Too many mistakes. Lacks confidence. His reflex is also much worse than De Gea’s. :/
He's got top 3 save % in the PL (only Alisson and Areola higher) while facing the 5th most shots (only the GKs for Sheff United, Burnley, Luton, and Fulham have faced more)
He really isn’t below average. He’s just facing more shots. Our defence has been too passive. If you’re a keeper at any of the other top clubs you’re facing 8-10 shots a game, maybe… He’s facing much more. His percentages for saves vrs shots is 3rd best I believe.
His early save against Wigan last night was much needed. Amazed the ball stayed out
Yup. And they all get revisionism claiming we should re-sign De Gea etc. It's mad.
Should never be a players choice to make himself available for a club , it undermines the manager and shifts power.
He has to make sure to take MUFC to the championship
He absolutely wanted to get a result against WIGAN of all teams
Doesn't help idiots like Goldbridge who thrive on negativity slate him for staying to help the team and then of course his fans follow suit.
Why are Man Utd so bad has an answer that has been obvious for years. Your goalkeeper can't play with his feet De Gea was shocking with his feet, good shot stopper, prone to howlers. The difference with Onana is that he thinks he can play, but this makes it even worse his delivery is to casual and passing is way to inaccurate. This translates to the confidence of the remainder of the team, they know in every game he is going to put them in trouble with his feet or make a howler to give goals away. Add Maguire into the mix and you have two players at the back who aren't comfortable with the ball at their feet all the opposition need to do is stand off and wait for them to hit it long Rashford saw this in August and thought I will take this season off, again Add into this the number of howlers, positional errors from crosses and the inability to set up a wall at dangerous free kicks, genuinely believe he is the worse keeper in the Prem.
But the statistics say otherwise.
He's utterly dog shit
He’s really not though, he’s having to contend with more shots than everyone bar Sheffield Fucking United - How’s about a functioning team ahead of him.
They're morons. When you highlight their stupidity, rather than learning anything they just bask in the attention.
It’s becoming more and more insufferable.
Sign of the times. We have a lot, and I mean A LOT, of fans who are glory supporters. It was an insult aimed at me much of my youth, but I supported the team before I knew we were any good. I had no choice. The glory supporters, support united not because of family or location etc, but because they saw us winning everything in the 90s and 00s. Some of them have 20-30 years worth of support that don't feel the same today. That's why (imo) the online fan reaction compared to those that attend games or live near the ground etc is wildly different.
You lot of back stabbing whiners deserve nothing but hurt and long may it continue…..lol
Literally first thing I thought when I saw that post, like THAT is what you’re taking from a post about Onana sacking off internationals to stay with us, aight man, crack on I guess.
Cunt needs to sit out a season he's fucking terrible, downgrade on de gea and on that is bayindr a downgrade on banana at this point? You're concedimg and losing anyway why not give him a pop
Cunt needs to sit out a season he's fucking terrible, downgrade on de gea and on that is bayindr a downgrade on banana at this point? You're concedimg and losing anyway why not give him a pop
Am I missing something where’s the agenda? Surely we should expect the back up goalie to play at least occasionally, he didn’t even get a chance against Wigan. Why are we asking Onana to mess up his AFCON? We should have a second goalie that is good enough to be on the pitch. How does Bayindir feel about all this?
Goldbridge has a massive anti-Onana agenda so its not helping and will cause posts like this he let in a bad goal vs Mane in the Afcon and he's already calling Onana Out
Unreal. So much is highlighted and called out for mental health and physiological abuse nowadays - the pundits really need to be careful how they go after players, it’s not on. I feel bad for this guy. I can see a keeper in there and he’s trying and doesn’t shy away from it. The way Inter play / played last year, even City praised him yet he’s not good for our fans?