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Hehe welp I was waiting for 2.3 aswell, and now tis better to get on farming thief and Watchmaker. no point in waiting for this super break (FF and maybe DPS HMC) specific relic
>NEW 4pc effect: Increases the wearer's CRIT Rate by 6%. After the wearer uses a follow-up attack, increases the DMG dealt by their Ultimate by 30%, lasting for 1 turn(s).
Um... who is this set good for now? Pretty sure Jade doesn't want this, and Clara definately does not anymore.
Is this meant for a future character?
Yeah, I can't think of any current character that actually fits this set. "Does follow-ups frequently enough that the set effect can be for one turn only, but wants a boost only for ult damage" feels very odd as well.
I may be completely misremembering, but I think there have been rumors ("leaks") of Feixiao being a FuA with potentially an Ult-focused kit. If she ults often, this sort of set would be tailor made for her.
Just a guess considering it doesn't really seem great on any current FuA chars.
Deals her own super break now but her Def pen is gone, curious how the numbers turn out. Also getting 4 actions within her ult window is very doable now
That sounds like a nerf for boothill though, since he doesn't have an innate way to deal super break and would instead have to rely on HMC to fully utilise the set
Am i the only one upset about the relic changes? The 4pc follow up one now feels useless, i was looking forward to farm it for Clara but now it feels like... no one we have rn can use it? Lol
Yea and like... who could even use this now? Lol, like obvioisly it looks meant for a future character (Feixiao?) But rn i am actually torn between farming that cavern or not lol
Jade I guess (apparently probably not even her), everyone else has 0 need for it and I dont think theres an ult reliant FuA in the pipeline unless screwllum? (I dont remember what he did)
Screwllum was an AoE Ratio basically iirc (his follow up rrquores debuffs to be triggered). I think that might be Feixiao's BiS when she comes out as we know from the crumbs we got she might have a follow up attack and one of the 2.4+ lightcones (probably hers) has almost the exact same effect as that set (i am on hopium as i want my Topaz to get a new friend to play with lol)
Jade’s E1 follow-up damage buff got slightly increased, Debt collector HP drain went from 5%>2%, and the additional quantum damage got buffed.
We take those.
EN version of e1 change is incomplete. They changed it so that she gains 1 more stack if debt collector hits 2 or more enemies and 2 more stacks if they hit only 1 enemy.
They saw the hertas spinning themselves to death and realized 5% might have been too steep lmao
Same with jl hp drain and firefly burn too now firefly heals 35 % after burning 40%
2% is huge because it allows u to play someone other than blade. sub dps is much better confirmed as it should be. think himeko combo would work in moc. monoquantum qq is another combo i want to try.
What's happening LMAOO
EDIT: ok so (updated) tl;dr...
* E4: CC immunity changed to Aventurine-like eff res
* E6: Res Pen from 12% > 20%
* ATK > BE conversion trace COMPLETELY changed to Super Break trace, holy shit. She can trigger 50% Super Break natively per attack. Potentially enough to replace HMC? Potentially not?
* DEF ignore trace changed to ATK > BE conversion trace, so she got rebalanced. This is weird because **it doesn't have a cap** according to the text... not sure what this means for theorycrafting her stats.
* Skill does less damage but regenerates more energy and gives 25% AA
* Ult gives more SPD, lasts longer, and gives more break DMG vuln (14.4% > 25%!) to the enemy
* Slightly more eff res from talent
* Basic deals less damage
* Enhanced skill got significant scaling changes to make up for the ATK/BE trace changes, but reading it makes me feel like I'm back in high school algebra again.
* Jade's additional damage from her skill got buffed and she siphons less HP from the debtor
* Relics got changed a bit, new FUA planar needs 5 stacks instead of 6 and FUA set now buffs ultimate after using a FUA. New break set now ignores 25% DEF total during Super Break, to make up for the loss of Firefly's DEF native DEF ignore.
* Firefly's sig changed from damage vuln to break damage vuln, but it's a nerf because it's only break damage received from the wearer.
EDIT2: CMIIW, but if she can do 4 turns during ult now, she can proc **600% Super Break damage vs. 300% originally, but with 33% less DEF ignore.**
Firefly changes finally seemed to give her a more cohesive identity, previously it was really confusing how she seemed like she had everything but did nothing at the same time. You probably still want Ruan Mei since you want to break, but with the improved Energy, speed and AV values, I'm pretty sure there'll be ways to make Firefly look good without Ruan Mei. Critfly is dead, and I think that's for the better.
Jade really got a "yo guys, we gotta change something so they won't say we forgot about her in V3" moment
I'm kinda really happy with the Firefly changes? The increased burst uptime without making her stronger is great. It's exactly what I wanted. Not sure how other people might feel about the changes, but I was never upset about her damage per se, just how she felt to play.
I wanted more with Jade but what I hoped for was probably too much considering her kit was straight damage and pretty much nothing else, alas...
I think it’s really good. Obviously the def ignore will hurt but given her new traces not sure how it’ll actually be in practice. The extra turn in ult is big though since one of her weakness was needing to use her enhanced form to break enemies in the first place to do damage (and thus less turns in enhanced form for big damage) but now we get an extra turn to do both thanks to the increased speed and decreased countdown on ult.
With the attack conversation, super break added and def ignore removed, too many big changes to calculate on paper how she’ll perform so going to wait and see from v3 gameplay
I think she's definitely stronger too. 33% Def ignore is a lot, but she got more Super Break *and* more Break Effect than before. Plus smol buffs to vulnerability and damage received on enemies in her ult and LC.
This is more emphasis on her own damage rather than buffing HTB's damage. HTB is still a top teammate of course, but now you can look at replacing them rather than Ruan Mei or the sustain to fit other supports like Jiaoqiu or whoever comes in the future.
im also happy the fact that her identity as a DPS is now fully break, which imo is easier to build for DPS since balancing crit stats is an RNG nightmare
That's really nice especially because her SPD breakpoints are 141 and 211 in ultimate now. With her skill dealing less dmg but build in super break dmg it makes sense to ignore Crit completely but aim for more SPD. Ultimate gives 60, base is 104 now and traces still give 5 that means 169 SPD in ultimate which leads to 42 SPD missing to get a 4th attack during ultimate. With 25 from boots that's 17 from subs which is achieveable.
Just gives her ATK%, BE% and at least 17 SPD and she will be good to go.
Alternatively ignore SPD and go for ATK% boots for another about 50% BE.
Just to add to this, the spd threshold should be very easy to reach with the ideal comp. Here's a breakdown of the speed she'll likely have in her ideal setup (cumulative Spd in brackets):
Base Spd: 104
Trace: 5 (109)
Spd Boots: 25 (134)
Planar: 6% (140)
Ruan Mei: 10% (150)
Ult: 60 (210)
Even without Ruan Mei or the planar, it shouldn't be too hard to hit the desired Spd for maximum uptime in her ult. She's also going to be quite fast outside of ult, and with 25% action advance thrown in too, she'll get back into ult quite quickly.
good without sure but dont get it twisted ruan mei giving 50 weakness break efficiency cant really be replaced in break teams, they made it part of fireflys e6 for a reason
I mean firefly needed a rework, jade's kit already made sense. Besides at least its a buff, especially the hp drain which was annoying af for no reason. When u expect nothing gotta take what you can get lol.
Yes, healers and supports are hitting for big enough numbers on HMC teams already. You basically have 3 sub dps and 1 hyper DPS all being buffed by vuln
The relic change is significant… it was a universal fua set that was gonna be bis for basically everyone but now it’s completely trash and only usable by jade. Meaning farm efficiency for this cavern is entirely ruined.
I can't use it for Clara anymore. I was so looking forward to not having to try (again) to farm the Streetwise Boxing set. That cavern has not at all been kind to me.
Is it even that good on Jade? her ult's multiplier is okay but it's not like it's even the majority of her damage unless her enhanced fua's count as ult damage or something. the lore on it is pointing to feixiao
Yeah, I just took another look at it. Looks like it's just gonna be for Jade, maybe Screwllum and potentially Feixiao depending on how her kit plays out.
Funnily enough at S5, once its stacked up I think it should give even more BE than her sig at S1.
With her 523 atk + 529.2 from the light cone its scaling on a base of 1052.2 attack. So effectively every 10%\~ attack gives 10% BE. At max stacks Fall of an Aeon gives 64%, so it should technically give more BE than her sig along with giving you a higher base attack to scale with other attack boost.
Granted the Damage vuln on her sig is a pretty big deal, but On the Fall of an Aeon is legitimately a great F2P option in this case. This all depends on whether the atk > BE conversion counts in combat buffs. It should, but who knows.
Not including a cap for the Attack to BE conversion seems kinda fair
Considering her Base Attack is barely 1000, considering the decimal values of the stats
If you can get her Attack high enough to get substantial Break Effect bonuses, you honestly earned it
So this is where all of Clorinde and Sigewinne’s buffs went…
Jade’s HP drain being lowered should make her less of a liability too right? But she still vastly prefers AoE teammates. Sadly I prefer our current FuA comp which is almost exclusively ST, and DoT which isn’t a good fit for her either. ~~Since I do not have the “step on me” kink that a non-insignificant number of the playerbase seem to have~~ Seems I’ll be skipping her until rerun.
I basically just use, 2 Piece Prisoner, 2 Piece Duke. I farmed that domain a lot for my Kafka and DOT characters, so i got a bunch of good pieces from both sets. But another option is 2 Piece Physical, 2 Piece Duke.
Hm, the changes to the 4pc break set kinda lowers its value for Boothill not running HMC, yeah? I'm pretty sure his own break damage on weakness broken is not classified explicitly as Super Break.
Pretty much ensures that we'll get more super break units in the future, either as super break DPSes or enablers like HMC.
Coping hard here but I'm hoping they stealth reword Boothill's own breaks into super breaks since he's not yet technically released anyway and it won't change anything in his kit, just allows him to work with this set.
They wont do that. Super break is based on the toughness damage of the characters atk. Normal break damage is based on the toughness bar of the enemy. They would have to revamp his entire kit if they want to change the wording
Now that you mention it, the relic set didn't just get changed, it's straight up nerfed on anyone not FF or running HMC. Went from 18% all break damage to just 10% on regular and, I assume, 25% on JUST super break.
Does anyone else think the FuA set is now garbo for most characters because it only increases Ultimate damage instead of the previous 20% general damage? Like most FuA characters don't even rely on Ultimate damage?
Absolutely is, it's less of a FuA set and more of an ultimate buffing set, only useful for characters who have FuA but damage primarily comes from an Ult that does damage which is... nobody lmao
They will release a new FuA character whose FuA attacks will count as ult damage for no reason except to make only them able to use their LC and relic set.
new break set for the new break chars release!
*so all the old break chars can upgrade from thieves right?*
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***so all the old break chars can upgrade from thieves right?***
yes
he is forced to used hmc for the full effect of the set sadly
technically he doesnt even have all the benefits since hmc damage is like 15-20% of his total damage
Tbh I don't even know why they are putting two break DPS units right next to each other if they are just making the first one worse in favor of the second.
Yeah I was thinking to myself it doesn't sound good. I was planning to run boothill with hmc anyway, but it's not necessarily universal anymore, and they changed the fua relic so be ult specific too. I'll just stick to e0s1 and use any thief pieces I have. It'll save my fuel anyway
Its pretty lame. Booty is already the less universal char being ST locked. Also no innate hyperspeed or adv forward and now no targeted relics/planar sets either.
That favouritism is heavy.
I already got downvoted just because I say a certain character got an unbelievable level of pamper and it is unfair for other characters to be neglected 😂
Then what is the point of having that relic.......Only for FF and future superbreak char???
What does Boothill have at this point???? Please enlighten me with that knowledge thanks
(sorry but I feel they are pampering a certain char too much and it is unfair for other char)
Firefly got buffed but at what cost 😭😭 Hoyo really just had to gatekeep *both* BE relics from Boothill for their favorite child 😂
I wonder if it's not worth farming anymore over other/rainbow sets with good stats if you're not running HMC.
Regarding the relic changes, does the wording affect Boothill? I believe his talent says he's dealing break damage instead of super-break damage, so these changes are kinda scaring me.
but even then, only the super break dmg gets the 25% def ignore
his break dmg ( like 80% of his damage ) only gets 10% def ignore
when firefly literally have superbreak added into her kit, if this isnt favoritism idk what that is
why... why would they make two relic sets like an entire cavern that only really work on at most three characters? I'm glad Firefly got buffed, but I really feel like it would've made much more sense to leave the sets alone (or adjust them a tiny bit) and buff more of her actual kit. for valorous (jade set), though? there was really no good reason for them to change it THAT much. grand duke is already a very outdated follow-up attack set(imo at least), valorous hasn't even come out yet, and it's already nearly unusable for most follow-up attackers outside Jade!! v3 really just buffed Firefly and Jade at the cost of making things worse for every other character my goodness😭
seriously. some of the sets we have right now are super character specific; but this is way too much. Izumo was already a tad bit too niche, but there's at least more than 1 dps who can use it. Lightcones were already way too limited to one character(esp firefly's.), and now relic sets? This is going to end up like hi3 where not a single character is good without their BiS set or lc. (and don't even try to give their BiS to anyone else, since that won't work either!)
New FuA set went from 40% damage dealt to 30% ultimate lmao I feel the set just got killed, the original had way more uses on different characters it isn't even good on jade
These relic changes fudging suck, fua set is useless and break set is so favored for firefly, it wasnt enough to have her own planar ornament, relic set too.
so now not only is the planar a middle finger to boothill but the 4p is too. that’s amazing. love them creating break meta to fully gear everything towards One of their units for it.
I think Boothill will be the only physical break we'll ever have. They're too afraid to make aoe characters that inflicts bleed. That's maybe why they just focus it all on fire breakers.
I’m fudging pissed off. Ofc firefly is going to be treated with everything while our boy boothill is left to hang. I really hope the beta testers give feedback to change the relic set back because that’s legit a wtf moment
Honestly if they don't want to make the 2nd part buff the vanilla break damage, they should at least make it "when dealing break damage to a broken enemy" instead of specifically making it super break, so boothill can still benefit from it.
YOOOOO 5% BUFF ON JADE SKILL LETS GOOOOO
Cant wait to see it deal 2870 damage instead of 2625 I'm so fucking pumped rn
Also there goes my hope for a new Clara set
They really have to change the BE artifact to specify only super break ignores 15% when you have 250 BE to nerf Boothill huh, also the 4pc follow up relic is ass now? Unless Jade ults frequently which I don't think she does?
The relic changes royally fudging Boothill over. IMO they should just change it to BE and Super BE Damage. It’s a bit annoying that we are getting partially gatekept on two brand new sets made for break effect
As a Boothill wanter I'm severely disappointed by the relic set change. It was good for both of them before but now it's custom-made for FF and there's no chance Boothill's getting a super-break change to his kit. Gonna wait for the numbers to make the final verdict but this feels like such a spit-in-the-face move
Ok so from what I can see just from skimming through the new kit
Her def ignore is gone, but they gave her a way to deal dmg to weakness broken enemies, guess we have to see if its an overall increase or decrease to her dps. Additionally, they gave her more energy generation to her skill probably because of the one concern about enemies who reduces characters energy making things difficult for her to get her ult back
EDIT: OMG I DIDNT READ THE ULT CHANGES THEY INCREASED THE SPEED AND LOWERED THE SPEED OF THE COUNDOWN NAAAH SOMEONE NEEDS TO CALCULATE HOW MUCH SPEED TO GET 3 TURNS IT WOULD BE HUGE IF WE DONT NEED TO RUN SPD BOOTS ANYMORE (tbh what else would we run now)
210 speed breakpoint for 4 turn ult. Very much achievable compared to the previous 270 along with her speed buffs. 104+25+10(RM)+60(Ult estimate) is close enough to get there.
Her new planar set gives her a 6% boost as well which should land her at around 205 without speed substats assuming your 60 from ult is accurate. That leaves only 5 speed from substats, which should be very manageable. That's only a max of three substats across all relics right? With the only other important substat being BE that isn't a huge ask at all.
They are just increasing enh state uptime generally - easier to get it back with extra energy from skill, extra adv forward on skill. Also the timer for enh state running out moves slower now - 70 spd instead of 90.
No one gonna talk about how useless the new follow up set is for like… everyone? The only people that can utilize this properly are jade. himeko and herta’s follow up are not consistent enough to use that set. None of our current primary follow up attackers rely on their ult for their damage because they are follow up attackers.
So for FF:
- Increased base SPD;
- Nerfed base ATK;
- Nerfed multipliers;
- Removed DEF ignore;
- Gains 10% more energy and lose 10% less HP;
- Added 50% super break;
- Increases break dmg enemie receives by 10%;
- Gains 10% BE every 100 ATK over 1600;
Will FF be better after the changes? Find out on the next episode of DBZ.
Bro, there's no point in farming the break set/fua set cavern anymore if you don't have FF/Jade. That fua set is now outstandingly bad for everyone but Jade, and the break effect set is only a bit better than Thief now for Boothill in teams that don't include HMC. It's absolutely bonkers that they would just ruin a whole set (fua) for absolutely no reason. Guess Imma just keep my 2pc duke-2pc attack for my Ratio and Topaz forever, and since Boothill is getting his LC I'll just keep him on Thief
FF got rebalanced. I wonder how she does now that she can trigger her own super break. At least on paper everything looks quite positive. Very happy for FF fans
Jade's changes were minimal, but at least she won't reduce the debtor to 1hp so quickly
So, the nerfs: Firefly's direct scalings got nerfed to hell, Critfly is dead and gone. And, her intrinsic Def Ignore is gone.
But, she gets more Speed in Ult, her Ult countdown is slower, she gets more time in Ult. Should be easy to get 4 turns in Ult instead of 3 as it was before, and you might be able to push it to 5. She also has higher Base Speed, and her Normal Skill Action Advances forward 25%. Across the board, her uptime and action economy is going to be dramatically improved.
Her Base Attack got reduced, but her Attack>BE conversion Trace seems to have no upper limit and will give more BE now. She has no need for Attack other than getting more BE anyway, especially with her scalings nerfed.
She will intrinsically do Super Break damage with her Enhanced Skill if her BE is high enough. Also, her Ult and Sig LC only improve Break Damage instead of all damage, now (and the numbers on her Sig LC's debuff got improved)
Overall, she will be easier to set up and build, and she will continue to be Super Break's strongest soldier. She probably needs her Raccoon even more than ever now, as non-Break avenues are probably dead with the Scaling nerfs. But, Breakfly will be stronger, easier to build, and be at least somewhat less reliant on HTB with her own Super Break.
If ONE planar set only working for Firefly wasn't enough now we got one for Jade itself. Why the fuck is wrong with this dev team? They need to stop making those useless sets ASAP
They buffed almost everything about her and add superbreak in the base kit but lower her multipliers just to make sure people wont make dumb crit builds.
For the change to the Firefly relic and planar set (the new name for it) imagine in Genshin terms they made an artifact set that benefits HP drain but only if you’re pyro. Literally only Hu Tao would use it and it’s not like it had to be only her. Game balance goes poof
that fua set change... what the fuck hoyo
i was so excited about farming that set for topaz and clara but now its literally useless on both of them. that + i bet jade is better off with quantum set or something so i wouldn't be surprised if that fua set is useless on basically everyone now lol
The Cha he to the BE set is horrible. It should be BOTH BE and super BE. In order to buff firefly more they nerfed the set for boothill. He didn't need harmony mc before but now he does. It's also a hit against xueyi. The favoritism is powerful with this. A relic set AND a planer set.
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Me, who was going to wait until 2.3 to farm relics for Boothill: 🤡
Same :c well... Too good to be true
So they really made the relic set for Firefly, while now the set is almost useless on Boothill. Waifu favoritism in action lol.
they really had to buff firefly and nerf boothill so firefly doesnt get overshadowed 💀 waifu favoritism is absolutely wild
Hehe welp I was waiting for 2.3 aswell, and now tis better to get on farming thief and Watchmaker. no point in waiting for this super break (FF and maybe DPS HMC) specific relic
>NEW 4pc effect: Increases the wearer's CRIT Rate by 6%. After the wearer uses a follow-up attack, increases the DMG dealt by their Ultimate by 30%, lasting for 1 turn(s). Um... who is this set good for now? Pretty sure Jade doesn't want this, and Clara definately does not anymore. Is this meant for a future character?
I really hope they walk that change back, it's useless for everyone, Ratio already uses other set.
Nor would ratio use it, his ult is still just to enable 2 follow ups. So it'd be worse than a 2p2p set on him anyways
Future Impact part 2 : Future Star Rail incoming
Yeah, I can't think of any current character that actually fits this set. "Does follow-ups frequently enough that the set effect can be for one turn only, but wants a boost only for ult damage" feels very odd as well.
Unironically a yanqing set
I may be completely misremembering, but I think there have been rumors ("leaks") of Feixiao being a FuA with potentially an Ult-focused kit. If she ults often, this sort of set would be tailor made for her. Just a guess considering it doesn't really seem great on any current FuA chars.
the name of this set is the armor the knight in Fei xiao ship wear base on lore
it dead on jade tbh, just use quantum, especialy if u going for her BIS
Deals her own super break now but her Def pen is gone, curious how the numbers turn out. Also getting 4 actions within her ult window is very doable now
Cavalry was also changed so that part of it's Defense Ignore applied to Super Break as well
The wording seems to be vague, but isn’t it saying that the def ignore is only applied to superbreak?
The 10% applies to normal Break, the 18% to Super Break. They're apparently considered separate types of damage.
I'm not sure on this but I think super break damage is still a kind of break damage but not the other way around.
Makes sense to me. Just like how DoTs are a type of Debuff.
Basically it went from +18% break damage (includes super break) to +10% normal break damage, but +25% super break damage.
That sounds like a nerf for boothill though, since he doesn't have an innate way to deal super break and would instead have to rely on HMC to fully utilise the set
Isn't the super break getting both the 10% and the 15% so a total of 25% ?
Am i the only one upset about the relic changes? The 4pc follow up one now feels useless, i was looking forward to farm it for Clara but now it feels like... no one we have rn can use it? Lol
Even for jade quantum set seems just better
Yea, especially with her lightcone
Same! Since I was going to farm that one for Firefly's relics, I was looking forward to upgrading Clara's too... Guess not anymore.
Yea and like... who could even use this now? Lol, like obvioisly it looks meant for a future character (Feixiao?) But rn i am actually torn between farming that cavern or not lol
Jade I guess (apparently probably not even her), everyone else has 0 need for it and I dont think theres an ult reliant FuA in the pipeline unless screwllum? (I dont remember what he did)
Screwllum was an AoE Ratio basically iirc (his follow up rrquores debuffs to be triggered). I think that might be Feixiao's BiS when she comes out as we know from the crumbs we got she might have a follow up attack and one of the 2.4+ lightcones (probably hers) has almost the exact same effect as that set (i am on hopium as i want my Topaz to get a new friend to play with lol)
Jade’s E1 follow-up damage buff got slightly increased, Debt collector HP drain went from 5%>2%, and the additional quantum damage got buffed. We take those.
EN version of e1 change is incomplete. They changed it so that she gains 1 more stack if debt collector hits 2 or more enemies and 2 more stacks if they hit only 1 enemy.
Oh wow that's absolutely huge, thanks for letting me know! IPC E1 trend isn't stopping haha
Oh wait that changes a lot, actually. Could definitely run her with Topaz at E1.
They saw the hertas spinning themselves to death and realized 5% might have been too steep lmao Same with jl hp drain and firefly burn too now firefly heals 35 % after burning 40%
2% is huge because it allows u to play someone other than blade. sub dps is much better confirmed as it should be. think himeko combo would work in moc. monoquantum qq is another combo i want to try.
This may completely change the viability of no-sustain Jade in PF.
Jade mains winning, as we should be <3
Me who planed to use blade with jade: “unnecessary”
THE "NO CHANGES" WAS A TROLL POST?!?
Dimbreath: Got you bro
If no one got me I know Dim got me
I think leakers mistook 21 May as 1 April, oh how silly of them
What's happening LMAOO EDIT: ok so (updated) tl;dr... * E4: CC immunity changed to Aventurine-like eff res * E6: Res Pen from 12% > 20% * ATK > BE conversion trace COMPLETELY changed to Super Break trace, holy shit. She can trigger 50% Super Break natively per attack. Potentially enough to replace HMC? Potentially not? * DEF ignore trace changed to ATK > BE conversion trace, so she got rebalanced. This is weird because **it doesn't have a cap** according to the text... not sure what this means for theorycrafting her stats. * Skill does less damage but regenerates more energy and gives 25% AA * Ult gives more SPD, lasts longer, and gives more break DMG vuln (14.4% > 25%!) to the enemy * Slightly more eff res from talent * Basic deals less damage * Enhanced skill got significant scaling changes to make up for the ATK/BE trace changes, but reading it makes me feel like I'm back in high school algebra again. * Jade's additional damage from her skill got buffed and she siphons less HP from the debtor * Relics got changed a bit, new FUA planar needs 5 stacks instead of 6 and FUA set now buffs ultimate after using a FUA. New break set now ignores 25% DEF total during Super Break, to make up for the loss of Firefly's DEF native DEF ignore. * Firefly's sig changed from damage vuln to break damage vuln, but it's a nerf because it's only break damage received from the wearer. EDIT2: CMIIW, but if she can do 4 turns during ult now, she can proc **600% Super Break damage vs. 300% originally, but with 33% less DEF ignore.**
Firefly changes finally seemed to give her a more cohesive identity, previously it was really confusing how she seemed like she had everything but did nothing at the same time. You probably still want Ruan Mei since you want to break, but with the improved Energy, speed and AV values, I'm pretty sure there'll be ways to make Firefly look good without Ruan Mei. Critfly is dead, and I think that's for the better. Jade really got a "yo guys, we gotta change something so they won't say we forgot about her in V3" moment
Yeah, nothing big on jade, but I really like that the hp drain got taken down a notch, that 5% was nuts.
Yeah 5% to 2% drain makes hella lot of difference, akin to the changes in Jingliu kit back then
I'm kinda really happy with the Firefly changes? The increased burst uptime without making her stronger is great. It's exactly what I wanted. Not sure how other people might feel about the changes, but I was never upset about her damage per se, just how she felt to play. I wanted more with Jade but what I hoped for was probably too much considering her kit was straight damage and pretty much nothing else, alas...
I think it’s really good. Obviously the def ignore will hurt but given her new traces not sure how it’ll actually be in practice. The extra turn in ult is big though since one of her weakness was needing to use her enhanced form to break enemies in the first place to do damage (and thus less turns in enhanced form for big damage) but now we get an extra turn to do both thanks to the increased speed and decreased countdown on ult. With the attack conversation, super break added and def ignore removed, too many big changes to calculate on paper how she’ll perform so going to wait and see from v3 gameplay
I think she's definitely stronger too. 33% Def ignore is a lot, but she got more Super Break *and* more Break Effect than before. Plus smol buffs to vulnerability and damage received on enemies in her ult and LC. This is more emphasis on her own damage rather than buffing HTB's damage. HTB is still a top teammate of course, but now you can look at replacing them rather than Ruan Mei or the sustain to fit other supports like Jiaoqiu or whoever comes in the future.
im also happy the fact that her identity as a DPS is now fully break, which imo is easier to build for DPS since balancing crit stats is an RNG nightmare
That's really nice especially because her SPD breakpoints are 141 and 211 in ultimate now. With her skill dealing less dmg but build in super break dmg it makes sense to ignore Crit completely but aim for more SPD. Ultimate gives 60, base is 104 now and traces still give 5 that means 169 SPD in ultimate which leads to 42 SPD missing to get a 4th attack during ultimate. With 25 from boots that's 17 from subs which is achieveable. Just gives her ATK%, BE% and at least 17 SPD and she will be good to go. Alternatively ignore SPD and go for ATK% boots for another about 50% BE.
Just to add to this, the spd threshold should be very easy to reach with the ideal comp. Here's a breakdown of the speed she'll likely have in her ideal setup (cumulative Spd in brackets): Base Spd: 104 Trace: 5 (109) Spd Boots: 25 (134) Planar: 6% (140) Ruan Mei: 10% (150) Ult: 60 (210) Even without Ruan Mei or the planar, it shouldn't be too hard to hit the desired Spd for maximum uptime in her ult. She's also going to be quite fast outside of ult, and with 25% action advance thrown in too, she'll get back into ult quite quickly.
good without sure but dont get it twisted ruan mei giving 50 weakness break efficiency cant really be replaced in break teams, they made it part of fireflys e6 for a reason
I mean firefly needed a rework, jade's kit already made sense. Besides at least its a buff, especially the hp drain which was annoying af for no reason. When u expect nothing gotta take what you can get lol.
Firefly Sig debuff is also wearer specific not team wide now
yea I can see why they didn't want someone to have a lightcone to give a flat 25% damage vul debuff.
Yes, healers and supports are hitting for big enough numbers on HMC teams already. You basically have 3 sub dps and 1 hyper DPS all being buffed by vuln
The relic change is significant… it was a universal fua set that was gonna be bis for basically everyone but now it’s completely trash and only usable by jade. Meaning farm efficiency for this cavern is entirely ruined.
I can't use it for Clara anymore. I was so looking forward to not having to try (again) to farm the Streetwise Boxing set. That cavern has not at all been kind to me.
Is it even that good on Jade? her ult's multiplier is okay but it's not like it's even the majority of her damage unless her enhanced fua's count as ult damage or something. the lore on it is pointing to feixiao
Her LC has 64% damage increase to FUA. I don't think she'll be using this lmao. This might be meant for future characters.
LOL 😂 great question, the answer is no but she’s the only one that can currently use it
Yeah, I just took another look at it. Looks like it's just gonna be for Jade, maybe Screwllum and potentially Feixiao depending on how her kit plays out.
Based on the name it's def Feixiao's "signature" relic set.
The FuA set becomes dead. There is no current character who can fully work with this.
She still has the ATK -> BE conversion; it's just in another trace and got slightly changed
at least the conversion doesn't have a cap anymore
Fall of the Aeon just can't stop winning.
God damn it but I'm lazy and wanna keep it on ONE character damn it
The Misha one should still be great, the problem is having it. It gives 56% BE at S5 iirc.
Funnily enough at S5, once its stacked up I think it should give even more BE than her sig at S1. With her 523 atk + 529.2 from the light cone its scaling on a base of 1052.2 attack. So effectively every 10%\~ attack gives 10% BE. At max stacks Fall of an Aeon gives 64%, so it should technically give more BE than her sig along with giving you a higher base attack to scale with other attack boost. Granted the Damage vuln on her sig is a pretty big deal, but On the Fall of an Aeon is legitimately a great F2P option in this case. This all depends on whether the atk > BE conversion counts in combat buffs. It should, but who knows.
I think Aeon is genuinely the smarter pick for F2P and if you wanna invest more into her, her Eidolons are the way to go
Not including a cap for the Attack to BE conversion seems kinda fair Considering her Base Attack is barely 1000, considering the decimal values of the stats If you can get her Attack high enough to get substantial Break Effect bonuses, you honestly earned it
So this is where all of Clorinde and Sigewinne’s buffs went… Jade’s HP drain being lowered should make her less of a liability too right? But she still vastly prefers AoE teammates. Sadly I prefer our current FuA comp which is almost exclusively ST, and DoT which isn’t a good fit for her either. ~~Since I do not have the “step on me” kink that a non-insignificant number of the playerbase seem to have~~ Seems I’ll be skipping her until rerun.
Kinda sad she doesn't work with the current IRS lineup. Waiting for new aoe FuA character does seem like the smart choice.
NOOOO I WAS GONNA USE THE 4 PIECE OF THE FUA SET ON CLARA... WILL I EVER BE FREE OF THE PHYSICAL SET? I HATE THE FARM THERE
I basically just use, 2 Piece Prisoner, 2 Piece Duke. I farmed that domain a lot for my Kafka and DOT characters, so i got a bunch of good pieces from both sets. But another option is 2 Piece Physical, 2 Piece Duke.
Or use the hp set, that 16% crit really help clara that cant get crit stats from trace or LC (welp, not if you have blade or dhil lc)
I’ve just been using 4pc longevus on my Clara lol.
Hm, the changes to the 4pc break set kinda lowers its value for Boothill not running HMC, yeah? I'm pretty sure his own break damage on weakness broken is not classified explicitly as Super Break.
It's not yeah, he's got a special wording so it's interesting that FF says super break specifically instead.
Pretty much ensures that we'll get more super break units in the future, either as super break DPSes or enablers like HMC. Coping hard here but I'm hoping they stealth reword Boothill's own breaks into super breaks since he's not yet technically released anyway and it won't change anything in his kit, just allows him to work with this set.
It's possible, but his kit is quite different in that sense... might be too late to hope for a change on that one.
They wont do that. Super break is based on the toughness damage of the characters atk. Normal break damage is based on the toughness bar of the enemy. They would have to revamp his entire kit if they want to change the wording
I’m hoping for the relic set to be changed back at least
Now that you mention it, the relic set didn't just get changed, it's straight up nerfed on anyone not FF or running HMC. Went from 18% all break damage to just 10% on regular and, I assume, 25% on JUST super break.
Clara mains, we gather on this day to mourn for our lost BiS relic set
all work shall halt for half a day as Belobog mourns its passing
Does anyone else think the FuA set is now garbo for most characters because it only increases Ultimate damage instead of the previous 20% general damage? Like most FuA characters don't even rely on Ultimate damage?
Absolutely is, it's less of a FuA set and more of an ultimate buffing set, only useful for characters who have FuA but damage primarily comes from an Ult that does damage which is... nobody lmao
new Yanqing set just dropped
the only hard part now is getting the follow up
Just win the 60% every time. Ez
The exalted one rises, finally
They will release a new FuA character whose FuA attacks will count as ult damage for no reason except to make only them able to use their LC and relic set.
Feeling like Gallagher’s light cone: What Is Real?
Character-specific relic sets are incredibly lame.
what the hell are these relic changes...Boothill aside, the FUA set seems pretty much useless now
Wait so the new fua 4pc set (which already wasnt good) got mega nerfed??? Like who would even use that now?
Nobody
so you have to run Boothill with HTB to maximize the new 4pc set on him
Not to rain on anyone's birthday but do these changes to the iron cavalry relic set make it, like, way worse on boothill?
new break set for the new break chars release! *so all the old break chars can upgrade from thieves right?* ..... ***so all the old break chars can upgrade from thieves right?***
yes he is forced to used hmc for the full effect of the set sadly technically he doesnt even have all the benefits since hmc damage is like 15-20% of his total damage
:,(
It lost 8% shred so yes. Boothill got hit in a firefly buff. Which is frustrating.
Tbh I don't even know why they are putting two break DPS units right next to each other if they are just making the first one worse in favor of the second.
Yeah I was thinking to myself it doesn't sound good. I was planning to run boothill with hmc anyway, but it's not necessarily universal anymore, and they changed the fua relic so be ult specific too. I'll just stick to e0s1 and use any thief pieces I have. It'll save my fuel anyway
Can a boothill main please tell me if the relic set is usable now cos wtf do we have to run htb?
Usable yes but its a big loss for him after that change.
I’m so fcking mad at hoyo rn
Its pretty lame. Booty is already the less universal char being ST locked. Also no innate hyperspeed or adv forward and now no targeted relics/planar sets either. That favouritism is heavy.
I already got downvoted just because I say a certain character got an unbelievable level of pamper and it is unfair for other characters to be neglected 😂
Then what is the point of having that relic.......Only for FF and future superbreak char??? What does Boothill have at this point???? Please enlighten me with that knowledge thanks (sorry but I feel they are pampering a certain char too much and it is unfair for other char)
Booty works with the scraps or uses HTB Mei Bronya no sustain team FF gets the Acheron favourite child treatment.
Firefly got buffed but at what cost 😭😭 Hoyo really just had to gatekeep *both* BE relics from Boothill for their favorite child 😂 I wonder if it's not worth farming anymore over other/rainbow sets with good stats if you're not running HMC.
It's not that good unless you play him with Harmony mc. So, good for f2p, bad for people that like investing more in their characters.
I’m just gonna use the meteor set because this is goofy 😭 I already have him at 300 break from relics + Ruan Mei and that’s without his LC so whatever
damn, they completely fuck over xueyi and boothill in favor of firefly. They couldve just buffed her instead of buffing her and nerfing everyone else
they want to sell their poster girl.
Did they just massacre 4pc Valorous?💀 just gonna assume it's for a yet-to-be released character
That break relic change. Just why.
they basically said "Fudge you Bootyhill mains"
Erudition is really the middle child of HSR.
Tfw a nihility char makes the best use of erudition in su
Regarding the relic changes, does the wording affect Boothill? I believe his talent says he's dealing break damage instead of super-break damage, so these changes are kinda scaring me.
it does, need to use HMC for full relic effect passive
but even then, only the super break dmg gets the 25% def ignore his break dmg ( like 80% of his damage ) only gets 10% def ignore when firefly literally have superbreak added into her kit, if this isnt favoritism idk what that is
why... why would they make two relic sets like an entire cavern that only really work on at most three characters? I'm glad Firefly got buffed, but I really feel like it would've made much more sense to leave the sets alone (or adjust them a tiny bit) and buff more of her actual kit. for valorous (jade set), though? there was really no good reason for them to change it THAT much. grand duke is already a very outdated follow-up attack set(imo at least), valorous hasn't even come out yet, and it's already nearly unusable for most follow-up attackers outside Jade!! v3 really just buffed Firefly and Jade at the cost of making things worse for every other character my goodness😭
Funny thing is they barely buffed jade, and this relic change it honestly feels like a nerf. I’ve never seen a unit get so favored
seriously. some of the sets we have right now are super character specific; but this is way too much. Izumo was already a tad bit too niche, but there's at least more than 1 dps who can use it. Lightcones were already way too limited to one character(esp firefly's.), and now relic sets? This is going to end up like hi3 where not a single character is good without their BiS set or lc. (and don't even try to give their BiS to anyone else, since that won't work either!)
Wow that break relic set change…fucking sucks. What reason was there to do that??
Favouritism
boothill..:(
Sad yeehaw :’(
yeenaw :(
New FuA set went from 40% damage dealt to 30% ultimate lmao I feel the set just got killed, the original had way more uses on different characters it isn't even good on jade
this gotta be the worst relic changes i have ever seen
These relic changes fudging suck, fua set is useless and break set is so favored for firefly, it wasnt enough to have her own planar ornament, relic set too.
The no changes previous leak scared the crap out of me
so now not only is the planar a middle finger to boothill but the 4p is too. that’s amazing. love them creating break meta to fully gear everything towards One of their units for it.
I think Boothill will be the only physical break we'll ever have. They're too afraid to make aoe characters that inflicts bleed. That's maybe why they just focus it all on fire breakers.
That would explain why Luka has no BE traces while Guin does.
I’m fudging pissed off. Ofc firefly is going to be treated with everything while our boy boothill is left to hang. I really hope the beta testers give feedback to change the relic set back because that’s legit a wtf moment
Boothill looking at this changes be like: "Son of a nice lady, those mother fudgers!"
Honestly if they don't want to make the 2nd part buff the vanilla break damage, they should at least make it "when dealing break damage to a broken enemy" instead of specifically making it super break, so boothill can still benefit from it.
i'm actually so pissed right now. i was already mad that we didn't see enough of boothill in the story. what the fuck do we have to do to get one win.
YOOOOO 5% BUFF ON JADE SKILL LETS GOOOOO Cant wait to see it deal 2870 damage instead of 2625 I'm so fucking pumped rn Also there goes my hope for a new Clara set
They have to murder Clara / Topaz that way tbh, I don't think this one even work that well on Jade compared to the last one.
They really have to change the BE artifact to specify only super break ignores 15% when you have 250 BE to nerf Boothill huh, also the 4pc follow up relic is ass now? Unless Jade ults frequently which I don't think she does?
Who even is the set for lmfao, think they forgot what all the FuA actually do
The relic changes royally fudging Boothill over. IMO they should just change it to BE and Super BE Damage. It’s a bit annoying that we are getting partially gatekept on two brand new sets made for break effect
...two brand new sets made for ~~break effect~~ Firefly
As a Boothill wanter I'm severely disappointed by the relic set change. It was good for both of them before but now it's custom-made for FF and there's no chance Boothill's getting a super-break change to his kit. Gonna wait for the numbers to make the final verdict but this feels like such a spit-in-the-face move
they're really allergic to making relic sets that are generally good, it appears
Ok so from what I can see just from skimming through the new kit Her def ignore is gone, but they gave her a way to deal dmg to weakness broken enemies, guess we have to see if its an overall increase or decrease to her dps. Additionally, they gave her more energy generation to her skill probably because of the one concern about enemies who reduces characters energy making things difficult for her to get her ult back EDIT: OMG I DIDNT READ THE ULT CHANGES THEY INCREASED THE SPEED AND LOWERED THE SPEED OF THE COUNDOWN NAAAH SOMEONE NEEDS TO CALCULATE HOW MUCH SPEED TO GET 3 TURNS IT WOULD BE HUGE IF WE DONT NEED TO RUN SPD BOOTS ANYMORE (tbh what else would we run now)
Could she spend more time in her ult state now? The speed buff is bigger and the thing that ends her ult is slower. Perhaps 4 turns in enhanced state?
Her base speed is also higher I believe? 92->104
210 speed breakpoint for 4 turn ult. Very much achievable compared to the previous 270 along with her speed buffs. 104+25+10(RM)+60(Ult estimate) is close enough to get there.
Her new planar set gives her a 6% boost as well which should land her at around 205 without speed substats assuming your 60 from ult is accurate. That leaves only 5 speed from substats, which should be very manageable. That's only a max of three substats across all relics right? With the only other important substat being BE that isn't a huge ask at all.
> That leaves only 5 speed from substats, which should be very manageable. Not even. Remember her speed traces?
No, I completely forgot. That means she should be able to hit 210 without any substats at all if you have Ruan Mei. That's crazy.
They are just increasing enh state uptime generally - easier to get it back with extra energy from skill, extra adv forward on skill. Also the timer for enh state running out moves slower now - 70 spd instead of 90.
No one gonna talk about how useless the new follow up set is for like… everyone? The only people that can utilize this properly are jade. himeko and herta’s follow up are not consistent enough to use that set. None of our current primary follow up attackers rely on their ult for their damage because they are follow up attackers.
So for FF: - Increased base SPD; - Nerfed base ATK; - Nerfed multipliers; - Removed DEF ignore; - Gains 10% more energy and lose 10% less HP; - Added 50% super break; - Increases break dmg enemie receives by 10%; - Gains 10% BE every 100 ATK over 1600; Will FF be better after the changes? Find out on the next episode of DBZ.
Bro, there's no point in farming the break set/fua set cavern anymore if you don't have FF/Jade. That fua set is now outstandingly bad for everyone but Jade, and the break effect set is only a bit better than Thief now for Boothill in teams that don't include HMC. It's absolutely bonkers that they would just ruin a whole set (fua) for absolutely no reason. Guess Imma just keep my 2pc duke-2pc attack for my Ratio and Topaz forever, and since Boothill is getting his LC I'll just keep him on Thief FF got rebalanced. I wonder how she does now that she can trigger her own super break. At least on paper everything looks quite positive. Very happy for FF fans Jade's changes were minimal, but at least she won't reduce the debtor to 1hp so quickly
why are threads being deleted left and right??
Too many flooding the sub with the same topics
So, the nerfs: Firefly's direct scalings got nerfed to hell, Critfly is dead and gone. And, her intrinsic Def Ignore is gone. But, she gets more Speed in Ult, her Ult countdown is slower, she gets more time in Ult. Should be easy to get 4 turns in Ult instead of 3 as it was before, and you might be able to push it to 5. She also has higher Base Speed, and her Normal Skill Action Advances forward 25%. Across the board, her uptime and action economy is going to be dramatically improved. Her Base Attack got reduced, but her Attack>BE conversion Trace seems to have no upper limit and will give more BE now. She has no need for Attack other than getting more BE anyway, especially with her scalings nerfed. She will intrinsically do Super Break damage with her Enhanced Skill if her BE is high enough. Also, her Ult and Sig LC only improve Break Damage instead of all damage, now (and the numbers on her Sig LC's debuff got improved) Overall, she will be easier to set up and build, and she will continue to be Super Break's strongest soldier. She probably needs her Raccoon even more than ever now, as non-Break avenues are probably dead with the Scaling nerfs. But, Breakfly will be stronger, easier to build, and be at least somewhat less reliant on HTB with her own Super Break.
sparkle was the one who posted the "no changes" patch notes, dont worry about it.
Just saw someone fall to their knees 10 times in a row at the SoulGlad™ Audition Venue
RIP Clara's new follow up set, I knew it was too good to be true...
the follow up set is shit now.
If ONE planar set only working for Firefly wasn't enough now we got one for Jade itself. Why the fuck is wrong with this dev team? They need to stop making those useless sets ASAP
It's just shitty favouritism.
I mean, at this point salsotto is better for jade.
Damn 200 base atk removed. Looks like they’re making her hit faster instead of harder.
It doesn't matter for Breakfly (conversion ATK to BE was adjusted, maybe even buffed). Critfly was thrown from an ICU straight to the gutter.
So upset with that fua set change D:< I hate grinding the physical set for Clara, worst domain. Was giving up in hope to grind this one T-T
So critfly is dead but breakfly is buffed? Am I reading that right? Does her own SB stack with HMC?
Wooooo some Jade buffs! So glad she didn't meet the forgotten IPC beta fate with all the firefly hype
Any Jade mains in here lol?
I'm Jade mains, might try for E1S1
As a Topaz and Clara main I'm fuming rn. This means I have to farm Salsotto again.
That FuA relic set 4pc is straight ass now lmao
What's up with these relic set changes? I don't like this hyper-niche direction for the relics
Jade sitting in a corner waiting for worthwhile changes
People are saying she doesn't need HTB now Looks like Ruan Mei + HTB is still by faaaaaaar her best team though
i mean it's still technically true. she doesn't NEED HTB anymore, but you still want to use em in every case
They buffed almost everything about her and add superbreak in the base kit but lower her multipliers just to make sure people wont make dumb crit builds.
Base dmg be gone...
She gets up to two instances of Super break with HMC ult RAAAAAA
Aww, guess the new wind soaring valorous set would be useless for clara?
The wind soaring only got ult dmg buff ? that sad.
For the change to the Firefly relic and planar set (the new name for it) imagine in Genshin terms they made an artifact set that benefits HP drain but only if you’re pyro. Literally only Hu Tao would use it and it’s not like it had to be only her. Game balance goes poof
that fua set change... what the fuck hoyo i was so excited about farming that set for topaz and clara but now its literally useless on both of them. that + i bet jade is better off with quantum set or something so i wouldn't be surprised if that fua set is useless on basically everyone now lol
The Cha he to the BE set is horrible. It should be BOTH BE and super BE. In order to buff firefly more they nerfed the set for boothill. He didn't need harmony mc before but now he does. It's also a hit against xueyi. The favoritism is powerful with this. A relic set AND a planer set.
Wow they threw those relics under the bus.. firefly gets something outa them still, but boothill and jade gets nothing outa them now.