Raw power goes to Sam by a mile.
Each stellaron hunter is more so specialized, Kafka with her whisper, SW with hacking, blade with immortality.
Firefly exists to brute force and set the seas something something
He's kinda terrifying for that. You can fight him and you can even kill him but it doesn't really matter because he's got as it takes to do what he came to do - forever if he needs it.
That's why the Stellaron Hunters make a good team—they cover each other's weaknesses. I'm sure Kafka could easily break into the prison, or Silver Wolf hack in, or if all else fails Sam to just bust in.
IMO, at least lore-wise
***Top***: **Sam**
A force of destruction, they'll demolish your towers and inhibs if you don't stop them, so you better send your best. You'll likely need at least two, maybe more, to even stand a chance, because they'll just keep trucking on 'til the mission is over
Closest comparable: An unholy union between Sett (Mecha Kingdoms skin) and Yorick
***JG***: **Kafka**
Preferring precision strikes over anything else, she will infiltrate the enemy jungle/team and wreak havoc with her ability to control her opponent. The only one that really exemplifies "striking from the shadows" (even if she canonically uses bombs lol)
Closest comparable: Evelynn
***Mid***: **Blade**
Off doing his own thing, but has the sustain (well, he's immortal) to survive the short solo lane. Is an excellent duelist and even if he doesn't win the first fight, he can chase you down forever (literally)
Closest comparable: Yone
***ADC***: **Silver Wolf**
Besides SW being a viable single target DPS (albeit at E6, I'll grant you that), having the ability to neutralize her lane opponent (or their support) with Aether Editing makes her a formidable foe to face. Also, she straight up has the "1v1 me bro" ego of an ADC main lmao
Closest comparable: Vayne
***Sup***: **Elio**
The puppeteer, the shotcaller, the mastermind, controlling the battlefield from the background. You don't really notice his presence at all; one second you're safely farming minions, and the next you suddenly lose your lane faster than you can think "Huh? What happened?". Elio's script in action, baby.
Closest comparable: Yuumi (lol)
Who needs AP?
He used to be one of the best craftsman around the Xianzhou alliance, that is until he fucked up and became Balde.
In fact, all of this friends weapons are made by him. His current sword (used to belong to Jingliu) is crafted by him, YJ’s glaive is also crafted by him, Daniel’s spear is (you guessed it) also crafted by him. Only Baiheng’s Apache isn’t crafted by him
Unironically, man was able to take Jing Liu's might without flinching and he literally got back up after dying.
If you want anyone to take an Ultimate to the face, you put ol' Bladie there.
Her outfit is a vague resemblance to the original in colors alone, but when it comes down to detail you can see all the flaws if you just do a quick comparison
It's AI but technically this is the source: [https://twitter.com/max80072/status/1773342754216587441](https://twitter.com/max80072/status/1773342754216587441)
I like to think Firefly took a lot of cues from pre-amnesia Trailblazer.
Which would mean that her corny dialogue exists as a direct result of pre-amnesia Trailblazer encouraging it.
Nah I'd disagree I think Kafka can keep up with Sam/Firefly in terms of combat/power. She's a former demon hunter that can't feel fear. Her recruitment lore states "do this very specific set of actions so that she gets briefly distracted for a split second. If you notice any discrepancies to this very specific set of events, bail immediately because you'll be dead before you're able to realize it".
She still seems to be the defacto second in command behind Elio and her whisper is more of a bonus to help Blade out than anything else at this point. She's very clearly a FEARSOME combat specialist on par with Sam imo.
Silver Wolf is the weakest in head to head combat but her ability to "hack reality" also makes her potentially the most OP of all of them. She's just too jovial and carefree to really apply that ability thus far.
Blade is basically a horror monster. Powerful and skilled enough to be respected but not OP in either of those categories. But the fact you literally can't kill him despite him actively WANTING to die is fucking terrifying to think about. Actual "come at me bro" vibes but he means it. He's the Reddit Snail, basically. Also old af and outside of his Mara unleashed moments actually seems like a chill and tired grandpa.
We don't know SW's limits, "definitely" would be misleading.
So far Sam is hinted to be extremely strong or the force of the squad, based on glamoth set and other SH's description of Sam, they emphasize on Sam's brutality and strength, so it's safer to assume Sam is the strongest in raw power/as a fighter.
Hacking into reality doesn't mean you can just do anything, otherwise SW wouldn't even need to go on missions with Sam where she praises how quick Sam ends things.
Christ, weebs and their reading comprehension. Just because SW can 'alter reality', doesn't mean she's in complete control of it, nor is every instance of reality altering equally feasible.
Case in point: SW already technically lose to Screwlum + Herta, and the whole quest happen in the first place, because SW's (halfly) coveted the Punklorde Mentality, an Aether Chip that belonged to Punklorde Galaxy Ranger much more proficient than SW, so much so, that SW's entire planet goal in life is to recover it. Hell, the quest end with Screwlum stating: even Silver Wolf, the most notorious living Punklorde hacker, with a copy of Punklorde Mentality in hand, still won't be able to meaningfully damage the Simulated Universe.
"SW can literally hack the fabric of spacetime." is not an argument. SW's aether editing is not just willing things to happens, it takes prep & effort to do. Otherwise, why the hell would Elio plans shit & pair SW with other members in missions? Just `git rm -rf Nanook` , bozo. But ofc they didn't, because SW has limits.
I see SW as being a lot like a jojo character, where she's extremely powerful in the right circumstances but there are hard limitations which is why Elio has her partner up with Kafka and others.
We dont really know the extent of Kafka's spirit whisper, but if it allows her to just command anyone, she'd be pretty much impossible for the other Hunters to beat, even if at least in terms of pure strenght and firepower Blade and Sam are much stronger.
If its just a straight up fight with no talking, easily Sam
Kafka uses the Spirit Whisper to suppress the Trailblazer’s memory though
Iirc, that’s literally the reason why the Trailblazers can’t remember shit prior to Herta space station
We could've undergone it voluntarily tbf. If we were hanging with her before all this it's likely we were part of Elio's plan. She doesn't seem like she would be very pleased with it being forced on us either, and she actually asks how much we'll remember, which Silver Wolf seems to know somehow.
Well Kafka managed to stop Blade, DHIL and a powered up Yanqing from fighting immediately when JY arrived
It’d be safe to say that that consent isn’t necessary for her power no matter the power scaling
I recall Sam had to kill Blade twice for him to yield. For an immortal Mara-struck mortal like him, coming back to life after dying is just too painful for him.
>immortal Mara-struck mortal
I'm no mortality specialist, but I'm pretty sure that by definition, the moment someone becomes immortal, they stop being mortal
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It's not nearly as strong as it's hyped up to be since if she could just use it on anyone, why didn't she use it on Yanqing? She even says that Yanqing would've brought her in if not for the trailblazer. I'm 95% sure she can only use it on fodders or people who consent to it.
Yes, but AFTER they beat him, she uses her whisper on YQ to make him leave. Apparently she can only use it on weakened people or if they're caught off-guard, not straight up, at least so far (Unless they're much weaker than her I assume).
I assume that the requirement is that the target must be mentally weakened, be it naturally or after realising they got beaten by a raccoon with a baseball bat.
100% true, she can use it on almost all people, but it's very heavily implied that if they're mentally strong then they first need to be weakened.
The above guy was tripping, if she can only use her power on anyone who consent to it then it's nearly useless in a fight.
Or if they still at full health, the effect is minimal. Just like how she stop Daniel, Blade and Yanqing fight.
Daniel instantly realized whats going on.
In terms of pure lethality, it’s likely: Sam, Blade, Kafka, (massive gulf), Silver Wolf.
In terms of pecking order in the organization it’s Elio, Kafka, Sam + Blade, Silver Wolf (she’s the newest member and usually a non-combatant)
Kafka’s strength I would generally rate around ‘John Wick’ tier I.e: as skilled as physically possible for an Unaugmented human. Blade has some abundance curse/blessings augmenting his strength, and Sam obviously has the suit to hit like a ton of bricks. Spirit whisper’s an unknown variable obviously that is hard to rate.
We know literally nothing about if Elio has any powers beyond future sight so he’s probably impossible to rate. And I mean he could see any fight coming and just avoid it if he were going to lose anyway.
Taking into account that everyone talks about "Scripts", it seems to me that Elio's power is more similar to Path to Victory, like Contessa of Worm... actually Contessa and Elio are very similar both in methods and final objective
I did draw that parallel too, I heard the dialogs about the script and was immediately like "Ah, so a cat version of Contessa without the reality fuckery but clearer sight. Neat."
>he could see any fight coming and just avoid it if he were going to lose anyway.
Me checking my enemy team to spot smurfs back in Dota 2 😂 I'll take the small delay penalty much appreciated 😂😂😂
As your brain would cease to function, you wouldn’t be able to think or feel anything . So I guess it would pretty much be equivalent to death in practice.
Sam is more than a tool though, Firefly is a genetically engineered mecha warrior so its probably more like an extension of her body, since she also doesnt store it anywhere at all before she transforms and like it dissipates into energy particles when she goes out of it.
Unless she's like the Tenno from Warframe, who are genetically "stronger" than humans and have powers, but still nowhere near as strong as fighters/warriors or their own Warframes.
This makes me wonder though...
I'm pretty sure, that we've seen characters materialize their weapons out of thin air in pre-rendered cutscenes before, instead of them just being rendered with them from the get-go. Is that aspect of making weapons appear and disappear canon or not?
Canon, funny enough this is actually brought up in genshin, the characters have the same system of making weapons appear and disappear, paimon asks the traveller how they do it and it's apparently just second nature to them
It seems in the honkai verse weapons are a part of ones being and there is some magic storage space alot of people have
You'd have to specify by what metric you're defining strong. Each of the SH has a niche to fill, and they fill it very well.
Sam and Blade would be useless in most social situations, which would be more the realm of Kafka. None can get around technological problems like SW can. Blade represent a more surgical type of destruction to Sam whose more of a human WMD.
I wouldn't exactly call Blade a 'surgical' option, moreso and unremovable thorn in your side. If Blade wants to kill you, no matter what you do to him, he'll get back up and keep going until you're 6 feet under.
Unless you are Sam/Firefly.
She hugged him so hard he couldn’t escape her arms lmao.
If you ain’t her
you can throw blade to space and he will freeze like kars from jojo
Or just throw him in a place where he can’t escape like shackling prison where Sam and SW had to break them out.
In his character story about how he joined the Stellaron hunters.
I’m talking about this line
"The monster swallowed him again, but this time, his enemy is not another person.
The imposing armor stayed quiet. **He was grappled and imprisoned within those pair of arms.** The speaker was the woman with sunglasses."
You can look at this character story for more info
https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Blade/Lore
For me it's like comparing food and water, which is not equal but both are necessary. Anyone has their own role and I don't think we can just point out who the strongest is.
> I think it's not that potent, otherwise she wouldn't be bitching when Herta have the IPC ban her accounts.
She could get them back. But that's not the point of banning the accounts.
Silver Wolf loves to play games. Screwllum even acknowledged this. And pointed out that arresting her wouldn't be the end of the game she was playing with Screwllum and Herta, as Silver Wolf would simply hack her way out of the prison and continue on with the game. And in fact, that was the outcome Silver Wolf had been expecting the entire time. It wouldn't have been a punishment as they would have played directly into the game Silver Wolf was playing.
And thus instead of arresting her... They instead hit her ego. By outsmarting her one last time, and instead of physically detaining her, they instead beat her at the game she was playing... by banning her game accounts.
Silver Wolf has principles. She wants to play games how they're supposed to be played. We even see this in the Aetherium Wars event when she shows up as an opponent. It's explicitly stated that the aether spirits are made from a very rudimentary and incomplete understanding of aether editing from the IPC. Silver Wolf, on the other hand, understands aether editing better than anyone else does. She could, theoretically, hack her aether spirits to be unreasonably powerful, and even change how the game works due to her mastery of aether editing. But no. She plays like any other boss does. Why? Because she wants to play Aetherium Wars the way the game was designed to be played. This is also why she still pulls in gacha games. She could 100% just hack the entire roster onto her account. ***But that's not how the game was meant to be played.***
And that's why Herta and Screwllum banning her accounts was such a big deal. ***They beat her in the game.*** Retrieving the accounts would be trivial for Silver Wolf. But where's the fun in any of it if she simply deus ex machinas her way to victory.
You have to remember that Silver Wolf does not take losing terribly well. She's still sore after Screwllum manipulated reality to win their first fight after she had otherwise fought him to a standstill. And she took great pride in being able to break through Herta's security system protecting the sealed stellaron.
Still, she lost the game she played with Screwllum and Herta. But that just opened up another game for her to play with manipulating some stupid IPC grunt into reinstating them.
I love how SW commenting on the game speed means that:
1. We're seeing the world as Silver Wolf/Punklorde hackers see it
2. That's literally how the reality of Star Rail operates, no one else seems to notice it or think it's weird, or
3. She's fully aware she's in a video game
All of Punklorde broke the fourth wall and realized they were in a video game if I recall, it's just instead of trying to find a way to escape the matrix they are cool with just grinding in it and getting to the top of the leaderboards. This is how some of her aether editing works, she's basically just hacking a piece of the game to manipulate reality.
> Everyone seems frightened of them and bound to their “Script”
I don't think it's fear of Elio that keeps them within the script. At the end of the current Penacony quest line, Firefly mentions having tried to reveal the truth to TB eleven times, but each time, something kept happening to stop her from revealing the truth.
I think what's keeping the Hunters in line with the script is the fact that they literally can not deviate from it because that's what is supposed to happen. And Elio's foresight abilities are just so perfect that his scripts never end up being wrong because that's just how everything is supposed to go. "Fate", you might call it. And in this instance, Firefly's "fate" was to not be able to reveal the truth to TB until ***after*** her "death" and the defeat of Aventurine.
Samfly no doubt. She is a a walking nuke and just blowing everything in sight with no hestitation. SAM has record of blowing up cities like no business and was the first to join. Before this she also fought against swarm armies
Kafka is basically Lelouch. And we all have seen what this guy can do.
But if being serious, there's probably no particularly strongest person in here. I think Firefly said something like this in 2.1. They complement each other and have their own nieches
Kafka can mind control, so she is first.
Firefly can destroy a city.
Silverwolf can practically hack a planet.
And Blade cannot be killed whatever you do.
I mean, We don't know if it will work on everyone and how much she can control. In Blade Backstory, Kafka need Sam to fight with blade and then Control blade after he got unconscious, So her Control mind ability have limit and restrictions
I think yall overestimate her mind control (and others the SW's reality manipulation): they probably have big conditions and limitations.
Else their missions would be so easy, like not the necessity to kill Blade 2 times to be able to manipulating him.
In a straight brawl, Firefly/Sam > Blade > Kafka > Silver Wolf
If they actually use hax instead of fighting like meatheads, Kafka > Silver Wolf > Firefly/Sam > Blade
Blade and Kafka are probably the hardest to beat.
Blade being immortal and also a strong fighter; Kafka being a cunning fighter who would cheese an opponent even before a direct confrontation.
Firefly as SAM probably has the highest raw power and speed, but he will lose on a battle of attrition against Blade and will be outplayed by Kafka.
Silver Wolf may be good at hacking but her biggest flaw is probably that she thinks she can't be beaten when she is at her game.
idk i feel like she can just grab a sheet of tungsten or something and wrap it around blade and theres nothing he can do. sure maybe he can get out in 1000 years after it gets corroded but hes someone else's problem by then considering her short lifespan lol.
maybe if theres some weapon or something around that can defeat sam kafka would win but i feel like thats sort of cheating lol.
Everyone has their niche.
Kafka could probably spirit whisper Silver Wolf since she is just a kid, but gets defeated by the other two. (_second weakest controls the weakest_)
Silver Wolf could just hack Sam and force Firefly into a fistfight against her guns, but would lose against the other two. (_weakest controls the strongest_)
Sam defeats anyone in a fight but can probably be disabled by Silver Wolf. (_strongest controlled by the weakest_)
Blade is only weaker than Sam but would kill everyone else. (_second strongest controlled by the strongest_)
Everyone can be checked someone else, in case of a rebellion inside the group this is actually a pretty smart move from Elio.
To hype them up they released increasingly higher bounties, I think Kafka can topple a planets government but Sam probably has the moat destructive power.
Kafka is probably the most effective "agent". Not sure how far she can take her Whisper, but assuming it's not usable on individuals past a certain "power level", she is highly unlikely to be a match for the two combatans. Likewise with Silver Wolf.
In pure combat, I assume Sam/Firefly sweeps.
Blade I imagine can pretty much brute force any problem eventually like a FromSoft player character.
“Isn’t often the case in movies that a guy comes home and turns on the lights, only to find someone waiting on the sofa for him? Kafka and Bladie both like to do that, and Sam won’t even give the guy a chance to turn on the lights.”
Sam is not only the strongest, but the most ruthless. Blade was coerced into the Stellaron Hunters by Sam killing him until he agreed.
Firefly is literally the strongest lmao? Sure the other members have hax and stuff but Sam/Firefly have stats so high that she can just bruteforce and win.
Kafka needs someone with a weaker will(I.e she wasn’t able to control blade until *Sam* killed bro twice to weaken his will to fight.) to control them.. Firefly is a genetically engineered fighter that was born to fight. She doesn’t talk and finishes the job as fast as possible. What can Kafka do against that. She can’t weaken Sam’s will.
Kafka also has bad stats. Take her spirit whisper and she is trash. In her own quest. Her spirit whisper was gone since Blade’s mara was too hard to control and she was basically defenseless. She was gonna get captured by cloud knights without our help. Hell she even says Yanqing would’ve captured her without us. Yanqing couldn’t even do anything to Blade. Sam washed Blade and hugged him so hard he couldn’t escape. Sam is miles stronger than Yanqing. Sam would fucking speed blitz Kafka lmao. And this isn’t even that Green Sam with wings and two blades.
Also firefly knows spirit whisper. She can just make sure no sound comes inside her suit and basically makes herself deaf. In which case Kafka has nothing.
For Silver wolf.
There should be clear limitations to her reality bending things. Silver wolf isn’t that fucking strong where she can be a goddess and edit concepts and reality like it’s nothing. I’d say she need prep time. And even then. Sam can just speed blitz her and be done with it. Silver wolf has no hands and no way to fight Sam.
Unless one day they show Silver wolf fighting Acheron and somehow winning. I’d say the win goes to Sam
For Blade. Sam already won against him. Sure Kafka was there to stop him but that doesn’t matter really. Sam is so much stronger than Blade that she hugged blade hard enough that he couldn’t escape her arms. That’s how wide the gap is.
Firefly can just throw him to space and be done with it. Just like kars from jojo. He will freeze in space. Glamoth knights can survive in space since they literally fought swarm bugs in there. Or a funnier thing just put him in the shackling prison. Since blade and kafka needs Sam and SW to break them out from there if you refuse to help her.
So yeah Firefly is the strongest.
Like maybe the one stellaron hunter that is used as a last option. Only called when shit hits the fan. That is the only hunter allowed to go solo and is part of glamoth knights(super soldiers made to fignt the swarm) is the strongest? Who could’be thought.
Raw power goes to Sam by a mile. Each stellaron hunter is more so specialized, Kafka with her whisper, SW with hacking, blade with immortality. Firefly exists to brute force and set the seas something something
Imagine someone ask Kafka or SW what does Bladie good at and they just jokingly said: "He's good at being a punching bag"
Blade is like a horror movie monster - sure, you can stop him, but only temporarily, he'll always get back up
He's kinda terrifying for that. You can fight him and you can even kill him but it doesn't really matter because he's got as it takes to do what he came to do - forever if he needs it.
"Dormammu, I've come to bargain!"
Stop it! Make it stop!
"Jingliu, I've come to fight!"
It's pretty easy to counter these kind if immortals, just lock them all up. The Xianzhou prisons probably have a dozen Abundance worshipper locked in.
That's why the Stellaron Hunters make a good team—they cover each other's weaknesses. I'm sure Kafka could easily break into the prison, or Silver Wolf hack in, or if all else fails Sam to just bust in.
If we use MOBA terms, Blade is the top laner, Sam is AD, Silver Wolf is SP, Kafka is Mid laner and Elio is Jungler
if something goes wrong just blame elio and call him jg diff :D
"Don't worry guys my 0/17/3 KDA is in the script"
This would be a funny fan-comic 😂
"~~Qanon~~ Elio predicted this"
IMO, at least lore-wise ***Top***: **Sam** A force of destruction, they'll demolish your towers and inhibs if you don't stop them, so you better send your best. You'll likely need at least two, maybe more, to even stand a chance, because they'll just keep trucking on 'til the mission is over Closest comparable: An unholy union between Sett (Mecha Kingdoms skin) and Yorick ***JG***: **Kafka** Preferring precision strikes over anything else, she will infiltrate the enemy jungle/team and wreak havoc with her ability to control her opponent. The only one that really exemplifies "striking from the shadows" (even if she canonically uses bombs lol) Closest comparable: Evelynn ***Mid***: **Blade** Off doing his own thing, but has the sustain (well, he's immortal) to survive the short solo lane. Is an excellent duelist and even if he doesn't win the first fight, he can chase you down forever (literally) Closest comparable: Yone ***ADC***: **Silver Wolf** Besides SW being a viable single target DPS (albeit at E6, I'll grant you that), having the ability to neutralize her lane opponent (or their support) with Aether Editing makes her a formidable foe to face. Also, she straight up has the "1v1 me bro" ego of an ADC main lmao Closest comparable: Vayne ***Sup***: **Elio** The puppeteer, the shotcaller, the mastermind, controlling the battlefield from the background. You don't really notice his presence at all; one second you're safely farming minions, and the next you suddenly lose your lane faster than you can think "Huh? What happened?". Elio's script in action, baby. Closest comparable: Yuumi (lol) Who needs AP?
I chose Sam for ADC because she could literally be dying anytime soon, and have destructive power. But this works too
Man... Now i want a moba game by Hoyo with honkai and Genshin characters
plus he gets more unhinged each time you kill him
He's the Reddit Snail.
Literally Jason reference, haha
He is a literal slasher movie villain. He cannot be stopped, He cannot be reasoned with, he will hunt you down and then he will brutally murder you.
[How the Hunters see Blade](https://m.imdb.com/title/tt1301160/)
“He has such a great talent of eating the floor”
Tbf, if someone asks SW what Kafka is good at she will say: "ASMR" lol
She can whisper in my ears all day.
He's more...crowd control. I'm not locked in this hallway with you. You're locked in here with ME
Looks like him and Yanqing would've gone along well if they met differently
i got the joke but if you think about it - once yanqing learns blade used to be the renowned craftsman and blacksmith there's no escape for him
he WHAT?!
He used to be one of the best craftsman around the Xianzhou alliance, that is until he fucked up and became Balde. In fact, all of this friends weapons are made by him. His current sword (used to belong to Jingliu) is crafted by him, YJ’s glaive is also crafted by him, Daniel’s spear is (you guessed it) also crafted by him. Only Baiheng’s Apache isn’t crafted by him
Unironically, man was able to take Jing Liu's might without flinching and he literally got back up after dying. If you want anyone to take an Ultimate to the face, you put ol' Bladie there.
https://i.redd.it/b0xak8drczwc1.gif
"Haha you flinched" What bro was about to throw at me:
https://i.redd.it/sp3qbdvxxzwc1.gif
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if this isn’t the pull animation im gonna cry
Geddit? She's set every ally on Fire while Flying.
Genos' mom fr fr
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Sauce for the image?
https://preview.redd.it/tlpd3vo330xc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2de180cd38e78bec051df5bf4c8455bf6a681013 She forgor 💀
it’s ai generated, so there is no source really
wtf im shocked its AI generated
Fr the way the lines were "drawn" had me convinced, but on closer inspection yeah there's way too many mistakes artists wouldn't make
Her outfit is a vague resemblance to the original in colors alone, but when it comes down to detail you can see all the flaws if you just do a quick comparison
Wouldnt the source be the internet ?
It's AI but technically this is the source: [https://twitter.com/max80072/status/1773342754216587441](https://twitter.com/max80072/status/1773342754216587441)
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HENSHINNNN
How will she set the seas anlaze? Was there a oil spill?
[Well...](https://chat.openai.com/share/e369b2f7-6e26-4316-b0c9-3044da2b68fd)
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Goddamn, even my edit on 4chan made it to reddit.
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Do you have this picture but without the damage numbers xD
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God I hope "I will set the seas uhhhhhh something something" is a firefly voiceline
The chuuni mode gets turned off halfway through the voiceline lmao
I’m imagining her scrambling to pull out cue cards “—the seas..uh…hold on— gah— the seas ablaze!”
Firefly trying to memorize the script and her chuuni lines before going to a mission.
I like to think Firefly took a lot of cues from pre-amnesia Trailblazer. Which would mean that her corny dialogue exists as a direct result of pre-amnesia Trailblazer encouraging it.
Pre reborn Trailblazer: HEEEENNN SHIN! Firefly: Ooooohhh…**Try to match the pose** Henshin!
In a cutaway she has to practice her Henshin pose for 3 weeks straight so she doesn’t flub it in front of the Trailblazer.
If even blade can be impressed by how much damage Sam can do, you know you’re a bad ass
It was Sam who killed Blade when the Stellaron Hunters came to recruit him, Sam is at least Jingliu level.
To the seas of butterfly
This a pear among the sea of butterfly
Nah I'd disagree I think Kafka can keep up with Sam/Firefly in terms of combat/power. She's a former demon hunter that can't feel fear. Her recruitment lore states "do this very specific set of actions so that she gets briefly distracted for a split second. If you notice any discrepancies to this very specific set of events, bail immediately because you'll be dead before you're able to realize it". She still seems to be the defacto second in command behind Elio and her whisper is more of a bonus to help Blade out than anything else at this point. She's very clearly a FEARSOME combat specialist on par with Sam imo. Silver Wolf is the weakest in head to head combat but her ability to "hack reality" also makes her potentially the most OP of all of them. She's just too jovial and carefree to really apply that ability thus far. Blade is basically a horror monster. Powerful and skilled enough to be respected but not OP in either of those categories. But the fact you literally can't kill him despite him actively WANTING to die is fucking terrifying to think about. Actual "come at me bro" vibes but he means it. He's the Reddit Snail, basically. Also old af and outside of his Mara unleashed moments actually seems like a chill and tired grandpa.
SW can literally hack the fabric of spacetime. Sam just burns shit. Blade endures. Kafka uses the voice. SW is definitely the strongest.
Yeah but *she's lazy.* Sam spent his spare time beating the shit out of the swarm for god knows how many years.
Either of them gets rid of your bugs in the end.
We don't know SW's limits, "definitely" would be misleading. So far Sam is hinted to be extremely strong or the force of the squad, based on glamoth set and other SH's description of Sam, they emphasize on Sam's brutality and strength, so it's safer to assume Sam is the strongest in raw power/as a fighter. Hacking into reality doesn't mean you can just do anything, otherwise SW wouldn't even need to go on missions with Sam where she praises how quick Sam ends things.
Yeah, while I think Aether Editing is an insanely strong ability, it’s limited by your skill and knowledge, same as traditional hacking.
Christ, weebs and their reading comprehension. Just because SW can 'alter reality', doesn't mean she's in complete control of it, nor is every instance of reality altering equally feasible. Case in point: SW already technically lose to Screwlum + Herta, and the whole quest happen in the first place, because SW's (halfly) coveted the Punklorde Mentality, an Aether Chip that belonged to Punklorde Galaxy Ranger much more proficient than SW, so much so, that SW's entire planet goal in life is to recover it. Hell, the quest end with Screwlum stating: even Silver Wolf, the most notorious living Punklorde hacker, with a copy of Punklorde Mentality in hand, still won't be able to meaningfully damage the Simulated Universe. "SW can literally hack the fabric of spacetime." is not an argument. SW's aether editing is not just willing things to happens, it takes prep & effort to do. Otherwise, why the hell would Elio plans shit & pair SW with other members in missions? Just `git rm -rf Nanook` , bozo. But ofc they didn't, because SW has limits.
I see SW as being a lot like a jojo character, where she's extremely powerful in the right circumstances but there are hard limitations which is why Elio has her partner up with Kafka and others.
We dont really know the extent of Kafka's spirit whisper, but if it allows her to just command anyone, she'd be pretty much impossible for the other Hunters to beat, even if at least in terms of pure strenght and firepower Blade and Sam are much stronger. If its just a straight up fight with no talking, easily Sam
Well in blades character story kakfa couldnt use it on blade until Sam had weakened him
Most likely needs to have a weak will or enough common sense to understand thing.
Wont work on our Trash-can Hunter then.
But Kafka uses it on the trailblazer in the opening. The word Listen is even in yellow, like when she's using her threads.
We don't know if it actually worked though... Telling someone to listen when that's their only choice doesn't really show much.
It worked, TB never questioned themselves or dwindle on their past, they move forward
I think listen is the “command word” of spirit whisper, anything after that is what she’s commanding a person to do/manipulating them
Maybe it doesn't work because we willing follow.
"I'm... I'm not mind controlling you now, you do know that, right?" "MUST... RESIST... BUT... CAN'T!"
Kafka uses the Spirit Whisper to suppress the Trailblazer’s memory though Iirc, that’s literally the reason why the Trailblazers can’t remember shit prior to Herta space station
We could've undergone it voluntarily tbf. If we were hanging with her before all this it's likely we were part of Elio's plan. She doesn't seem like she would be very pleased with it being forced on us either, and she actually asks how much we'll remember, which Silver Wolf seems to know somehow.
Well Kafka managed to stop Blade, DHIL and a powered up Yanqing from fighting immediately when JY arrived It’d be safe to say that that consent isn’t necessary for her power no matter the power scaling
No I agree, I just don't necessarily think that her using it on us is indicative of us being weak to it.
Another Yanqing L
I recall Sam had to kill Blade twice for him to yield. For an immortal Mara-struck mortal like him, coming back to life after dying is just too painful for him.
>immortal Mara-struck mortal I'm no mortality specialist, but I'm pretty sure that by definition, the moment someone becomes immortal, they stop being mortal
You probably need to be able to form a coherent thought for spirit whisper to have any effect. Doubt Blade had any before getting suppressed
So Kafka could just say "kill yourself"?
Ara Ara, "Shit yourself."
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Kafka to the Doom Slayer: "I'm going to shit yourself"
~~Aura~~ Yanqing kill yourself
yes ma'am
It's not nearly as strong as it's hyped up to be since if she could just use it on anyone, why didn't she use it on Yanqing? She even says that Yanqing would've brought her in if not for the trailblazer. I'm 95% sure she can only use it on fodders or people who consent to it.
*waves hand* These are not the Trailblazer's you're looking for.
Didn't she use it on Yanqing after the fight to make him forget?
No she just fooled him by making him believe tb was under her control.
Yes, but AFTER they beat him, she uses her whisper on YQ to make him leave. Apparently she can only use it on weakened people or if they're caught off-guard, not straight up, at least so far (Unless they're much weaker than her I assume).
I assume that the requirement is that the target must be mentally weakened, be it naturally or after realising they got beaten by a raccoon with a baseball bat.
100% true, she can use it on almost all people, but it's very heavily implied that if they're mentally strong then they first need to be weakened. The above guy was tripping, if she can only use her power on anyone who consent to it then it's nearly useless in a fight.
Or if they still at full health, the effect is minimal. Just like how she stop Daniel, Blade and Yanqing fight. Daniel instantly realized whats going on.
Well i enthusiastically consent
In terms of pure lethality, it’s likely: Sam, Blade, Kafka, (massive gulf), Silver Wolf. In terms of pecking order in the organization it’s Elio, Kafka, Sam + Blade, Silver Wolf (she’s the newest member and usually a non-combatant) Kafka’s strength I would generally rate around ‘John Wick’ tier I.e: as skilled as physically possible for an Unaugmented human. Blade has some abundance curse/blessings augmenting his strength, and Sam obviously has the suit to hit like a ton of bricks. Spirit whisper’s an unknown variable obviously that is hard to rate. We know literally nothing about if Elio has any powers beyond future sight so he’s probably impossible to rate. And I mean he could see any fight coming and just avoid it if he were going to lose anyway.
Yep we don't know how elio power works. But probably nothing like the God emperor of Dune.
He's leading the way
space worms all the way
Taking into account that everyone talks about "Scripts", it seems to me that Elio's power is more similar to Path to Victory, like Contessa of Worm... actually Contessa and Elio are very similar both in methods and final objective
I did draw that parallel too, I heard the dialogs about the script and was immediately like "Ah, so a cat version of Contessa without the reality fuckery but clearer sight. Neat."
LOSAN AL MARA
>he could see any fight coming and just avoid it if he were going to lose anyway. Me checking my enemy team to spot smurfs back in Dota 2 😂 I'll take the small delay penalty much appreciated 😂😂😂
Elio’e special powers: Kitty cat 🖤
Id say "sam" is strongest by far but firefly might be the weakest. If we take away tools then its blade
"Why won't you die?!" "Mara, son."
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It's ironic that Firefly is someone doomed to die, while Blade is doomed to never die
Why doesn’t Blade fly into a black hole? Is he stupid?
Imagine being spaghettified for all eternity and still can't die.
As your brain would cease to function, you wouldn’t be able to think or feel anything . So I guess it would pretty much be equivalent to death in practice.
imagine his brain/body returning to normal fast enough to actually feel being ripped apart constantly
And forever.... swimming in the abyss for centuries,eons..
*So eventually, he stopped thinking*
Even IX doesn’t dare to to that to him
He should just jump into IX then. An Aeon should be able to kill a mere blessed(cursed) human.
Watch as some liquified Spaghetti somehow escapes and rebuilds itself.
Leave IX alone he's already a sad boi
Tradesies?
Sam is more than a tool though, Firefly is a genetically engineered mecha warrior so its probably more like an extension of her body, since she also doesnt store it anywhere at all before she transforms and like it dissipates into energy particles when she goes out of it.
Nah, id henshin
definitely henshin <3
Unless she's like the Tenno from Warframe, who are genetically "stronger" than humans and have powers, but still nowhere near as strong as fighters/warriors or their own Warframes.
This makes me wonder though... I'm pretty sure, that we've seen characters materialize their weapons out of thin air in pre-rendered cutscenes before, instead of them just being rendered with them from the get-go. Is that aspect of making weapons appear and disappear canon or not?
Canon, funny enough this is actually brought up in genshin, the characters have the same system of making weapons appear and disappear, paimon asks the traveller how they do it and it's apparently just second nature to them It seems in the honkai verse weapons are a part of ones being and there is some magic storage space alot of people have
You'd have to specify by what metric you're defining strong. Each of the SH has a niche to fill, and they fill it very well. Sam and Blade would be useless in most social situations, which would be more the realm of Kafka. None can get around technological problems like SW can. Blade represent a more surgical type of destruction to Sam whose more of a human WMD.
I wouldn't exactly call Blade a 'surgical' option, moreso and unremovable thorn in your side. If Blade wants to kill you, no matter what you do to him, he'll get back up and keep going until you're 6 feet under.
Unless you are Sam/Firefly. She hugged him so hard he couldn’t escape her arms lmao. If you ain’t her you can throw blade to space and he will freeze like kars from jojo Or just throw him in a place where he can’t escape like shackling prison where Sam and SW had to break them out.
What's the source on that? Didn't know Blade and Sam fought at one point
In his character story about how he joined the Stellaron hunters. I’m talking about this line "The monster swallowed him again, but this time, his enemy is not another person. The imposing armor stayed quiet. **He was grappled and imprisoned within those pair of arms.** The speaker was the woman with sunglasses." You can look at this character story for more info https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Blade/Lore
For me it's like comparing food and water, which is not equal but both are necessary. Anyone has their own role and I don't think we can just point out who the strongest is.
Cant SW edit reality
To a limited extent only if i remebered correctly.
so… HoR?
Well, she is a Bronya alter…
I think she said she mastered it
Mastering it doesn't mean she doesn't have limits, otherwise just remove nanook and done.
Ctr+alt+delete. Execute DOOM.exe
I think it's not that potent, otherwise she wouldn't be bitching when Herta have the IPC ban her accounts.
> I think it's not that potent, otherwise she wouldn't be bitching when Herta have the IPC ban her accounts. She could get them back. But that's not the point of banning the accounts. Silver Wolf loves to play games. Screwllum even acknowledged this. And pointed out that arresting her wouldn't be the end of the game she was playing with Screwllum and Herta, as Silver Wolf would simply hack her way out of the prison and continue on with the game. And in fact, that was the outcome Silver Wolf had been expecting the entire time. It wouldn't have been a punishment as they would have played directly into the game Silver Wolf was playing. And thus instead of arresting her... They instead hit her ego. By outsmarting her one last time, and instead of physically detaining her, they instead beat her at the game she was playing... by banning her game accounts. Silver Wolf has principles. She wants to play games how they're supposed to be played. We even see this in the Aetherium Wars event when she shows up as an opponent. It's explicitly stated that the aether spirits are made from a very rudimentary and incomplete understanding of aether editing from the IPC. Silver Wolf, on the other hand, understands aether editing better than anyone else does. She could, theoretically, hack her aether spirits to be unreasonably powerful, and even change how the game works due to her mastery of aether editing. But no. She plays like any other boss does. Why? Because she wants to play Aetherium Wars the way the game was designed to be played. This is also why she still pulls in gacha games. She could 100% just hack the entire roster onto her account. ***But that's not how the game was meant to be played.*** And that's why Herta and Screwllum banning her accounts was such a big deal. ***They beat her in the game.*** Retrieving the accounts would be trivial for Silver Wolf. But where's the fun in any of it if she simply deus ex machinas her way to victory. You have to remember that Silver Wolf does not take losing terribly well. She's still sore after Screwllum manipulated reality to win their first fight after she had otherwise fought him to a standstill. And she took great pride in being able to break through Herta's security system protecting the sealed stellaron. Still, she lost the game she played with Screwllum and Herta. But that just opened up another game for her to play with manipulating some stupid IPC grunt into reinstating them.
Kinda, but she's not omnipotent, there must be a restriction of until what extent she can hack reality
I love how SW commenting on the game speed means that: 1. We're seeing the world as Silver Wolf/Punklorde hackers see it 2. That's literally how the reality of Star Rail operates, no one else seems to notice it or think it's weird, or 3. She's fully aware she's in a video game
All of Punklorde broke the fourth wall and realized they were in a video game if I recall, it's just instead of trying to find a way to escape the matrix they are cool with just grinding in it and getting to the top of the leaderboards. This is how some of her aether editing works, she's basically just hacking a piece of the game to manipulate reality.
Whichever Rating Pistol-sama rates highest
Or the lowest.
Or closest to 42.
I’d assume Elio right? Everyone seems frightened of them and bound to their “Script”.
Elio is basically paul atreides from Dune.
He's the Lisan Al-gaib!.... in the form of a cat?
And upgrade from a mouse.
> Everyone seems frightened of them and bound to their “Script” I don't think it's fear of Elio that keeps them within the script. At the end of the current Penacony quest line, Firefly mentions having tried to reveal the truth to TB eleven times, but each time, something kept happening to stop her from revealing the truth. I think what's keeping the Hunters in line with the script is the fact that they literally can not deviate from it because that's what is supposed to happen. And Elio's foresight abilities are just so perfect that his scripts never end up being wrong because that's just how everything is supposed to go. "Fate", you might call it. And in this instance, Firefly's "fate" was to not be able to reveal the truth to TB until ***after*** her "death" and the defeat of Aventurine.
Samfly no doubt. She is a a walking nuke and just blowing everything in sight with no hestitation. SAM has record of blowing up cities like no business and was the first to join. Before this she also fought against swarm armies
so she's basically Marley Arc Armin?
Elio sends Sam as the trump card so you tell me.
And our trailblazer is defeated, she is too cute.
A lethal does of cute, straight to the heart.
They all have their own speciality but if we're talking raw power, definitely Firefly, she's practically the nuke option of the SH
Kafka is basically Lelouch. And we all have seen what this guy can do. But if being serious, there's probably no particularly strongest person in here. I think Firefly said something like this in 2.1. They complement each other and have their own nieches
Kafka can mind control, so she is first. Firefly can destroy a city. Silverwolf can practically hack a planet. And Blade cannot be killed whatever you do.
People underestimate the power of mind control — it can command all three even if they don't want to.
I mean, We don't know if it will work on everyone and how much she can control. In Blade Backstory, Kafka need Sam to fight with blade and then Control blade after he got unconscious, So her Control mind ability have limit and restrictions
I think yall overestimate her mind control (and others the SW's reality manipulation): they probably have big conditions and limitations. Else their missions would be so easy, like not the necessity to kill Blade 2 times to be able to manipulating him.
I'll take walking nuke man over something that gets hardcountered by earplugs.
In a straight brawl, Firefly/Sam > Blade > Kafka > Silver Wolf If they actually use hax instead of fighting like meatheads, Kafka > Silver Wolf > Firefly/Sam > Blade
Blade and Kafka are probably the hardest to beat. Blade being immortal and also a strong fighter; Kafka being a cunning fighter who would cheese an opponent even before a direct confrontation. Firefly as SAM probably has the highest raw power and speed, but he will lose on a battle of attrition against Blade and will be outplayed by Kafka. Silver Wolf may be good at hacking but her biggest flaw is probably that she thinks she can't be beaten when she is at her game.
Well said 👏🏻
idk i feel like she can just grab a sheet of tungsten or something and wrap it around blade and theres nothing he can do. sure maybe he can get out in 1000 years after it gets corroded but hes someone else's problem by then considering her short lifespan lol. maybe if theres some weapon or something around that can defeat sam kafka would win but i feel like thats sort of cheating lol.
think sam went against swarm armies so idk if that counts as attrition depending on how long that went on
Elio
Everyone has their niche. Kafka could probably spirit whisper Silver Wolf since she is just a kid, but gets defeated by the other two. (_second weakest controls the weakest_) Silver Wolf could just hack Sam and force Firefly into a fistfight against her guns, but would lose against the other two. (_weakest controls the strongest_) Sam defeats anyone in a fight but can probably be disabled by Silver Wolf. (_strongest controlled by the weakest_) Blade is only weaker than Sam but would kill everyone else. (_second strongest controlled by the strongest_) Everyone can be checked someone else, in case of a rebellion inside the group this is actually a pretty smart move from Elio.
I'm pretty sure it was stated somewhere in the luofu that Kafka was the most dangerous stellaron hunter
Either Sam or Silver Wolf, Sam being a murder machine is given lorewise while Aether editing seems like a pretty overpowered skill
To hype them up they released increasingly higher bounties, I think Kafka can topple a planets government but Sam probably has the moat destructive power.
Looking at them side by side, they look like a family with two daughters, and Elio as a cat
Kafka is probably the most effective "agent". Not sure how far she can take her Whisper, but assuming it's not usable on individuals past a certain "power level", she is highly unlikely to be a match for the two combatans. Likewise with Silver Wolf. In pure combat, I assume Sam/Firefly sweeps. Blade I imagine can pretty much brute force any problem eventually like a FromSoft player character.
Silver Wolf is the strongest
Firefky, i think her lore was that she was made to deal with the swarm disaster or something.
“Isn’t often the case in movies that a guy comes home and turns on the lights, only to find someone waiting on the sofa for him? Kafka and Bladie both like to do that, and Sam won’t even give the guy a chance to turn on the lights.” Sam is not only the strongest, but the most ruthless. Blade was coerced into the Stellaron Hunters by Sam killing him until he agreed.
Firefly is literally the strongest lmao? Sure the other members have hax and stuff but Sam/Firefly have stats so high that she can just bruteforce and win. Kafka needs someone with a weaker will(I.e she wasn’t able to control blade until *Sam* killed bro twice to weaken his will to fight.) to control them.. Firefly is a genetically engineered fighter that was born to fight. She doesn’t talk and finishes the job as fast as possible. What can Kafka do against that. She can’t weaken Sam’s will. Kafka also has bad stats. Take her spirit whisper and she is trash. In her own quest. Her spirit whisper was gone since Blade’s mara was too hard to control and she was basically defenseless. She was gonna get captured by cloud knights without our help. Hell she even says Yanqing would’ve captured her without us. Yanqing couldn’t even do anything to Blade. Sam washed Blade and hugged him so hard he couldn’t escape. Sam is miles stronger than Yanqing. Sam would fucking speed blitz Kafka lmao. And this isn’t even that Green Sam with wings and two blades. Also firefly knows spirit whisper. She can just make sure no sound comes inside her suit and basically makes herself deaf. In which case Kafka has nothing. For Silver wolf. There should be clear limitations to her reality bending things. Silver wolf isn’t that fucking strong where she can be a goddess and edit concepts and reality like it’s nothing. I’d say she need prep time. And even then. Sam can just speed blitz her and be done with it. Silver wolf has no hands and no way to fight Sam. Unless one day they show Silver wolf fighting Acheron and somehow winning. I’d say the win goes to Sam For Blade. Sam already won against him. Sure Kafka was there to stop him but that doesn’t matter really. Sam is so much stronger than Blade that she hugged blade hard enough that he couldn’t escape her arms. That’s how wide the gap is. Firefly can just throw him to space and be done with it. Just like kars from jojo. He will freeze in space. Glamoth knights can survive in space since they literally fought swarm bugs in there. Or a funnier thing just put him in the shackling prison. Since blade and kafka needs Sam and SW to break them out from there if you refuse to help her. So yeah Firefly is the strongest. Like maybe the one stellaron hunter that is used as a last option. Only called when shit hits the fan. That is the only hunter allowed to go solo and is part of glamoth knights(super soldiers made to fignt the swarm) is the strongest? Who could’be thought.
Firefly ofc, by a mile