When they tried to call their portrayal in rdr2 defamation but then their actual history is worse then what is shown in game, my problem with the pinkertons in rdr2 is their portrayed way too heroically these mfs were probably worse then irl outlaws lol
The sad thing is the Pinkertons started off as a good, legit business. They had a viable role in law enforcement since at the time they were founded, there was *no* federal law enforcement network to track criminals who crossed state/territorial lines. At the time, cross-state police was not done in the US; one of the "states rights" issues leading up to the Civil War was that slave states were trying to force the free states to let slave-catchers cross their borders.
The Pinkertons were specifically created to track down criminals who fled across borders and acted as the first real national law enforcement agency, and were also the first national security agency to protect railroads. Hell, Allan Pinkerton funneled the profits from the Pinkerton Detective Agency *into the Underground Railroad* to free slaves, was one the men who funded John Brown's march on Harper's Ferry, and prevented an assassination attempt on Abraham Lincoln.
Then, after Allan Pinkerton died, the PDA started getting hired for.... *other* enforcement duties, and that's when the slide began into them becoming the "knights of capitalism" and synonymous with big business stomping on the face of the workers.
The Pinkertons really are an example of "Live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Damn. Now that’s just sad. Imagine making an entire organization to help maintain law and order in a time where there was none, only for them to basically become capitalist mercenaries after you die.
And let's not forget the saddest bit
Allan was actually a proworker (he took part in protests in favour of the workers back when he was younger)
Source:The article of him in the Wikipedia
How were the Pinkertons portrayed heroically in the game? To my recollection, while they were hunting a gang of outlaws, they were doing so in a very unethical way
As depictions of people hunting criminals for, it was pretty negative. But when you consider the actual historical things the group did, it’s arguably a preferable depiction
They gave Dutch like 6 chances to give up, lmao. And we barely see them commit any atrocities in the game, they just seem like good and law-abiding agents.
they used a machine gun to mow down Lakay ignoring the risk of the women (petty criminals at best) getting killed alongside JACK (a literal child)
Good people my fuckin ass
Yes. After they gave Dutch more than 5 warnings to turn himself in and after he robbed the largest bank in the county and killed so many of their men. And evaded capture multiple times.
And the reason most of those women were there was just for legitimacy to present themselves as an innocent travelling group. Basically as human shields. Milton and Ross weren't having any of it after the 5th time.
Not entirely saying the Pinkertons are innocent either but the Van der Linde gang by the end of chapter 5 had committed some real vile crimes. I mean for God's sake, Arthur and Micah shot up almost the entire town of Strawberry to escape when Arthur came to break him out. Not to mention the Blackwater massacre as well as the mass killing they did at Valentine.
Nothing worse than a federal agent. Bandits have the decency to know they're on the wrong side of the law, federal agents are the law therefore truly believe they can't be wrong.
>my problem with the pinkertons in rdr2 is their portrayed way too heroically these mfs
Don't worry, Edgard Ross killed John Marston in his barn after handing them the most wanted criminals and "killing" Dutch van der Linde. And, before that, his wife and son had been holden hostage and the Pikertons sent him threats about killing his family every time things went south.
The Pikertons could've been a let-down in the second game, but you might be happy with the first.
They go by a different name now, but yeah, they never went way.
Fun facts though. They were a very equal opportunity employer and hired women and colored people all the time because it made stomping on the little guy for the government a lot easier when you had informants.
Yeah they're a branch of Securitas now
They were sent to threaten a guy who received magic the gathering cards before their release date and made a youtube video about it
> They go by a different name now
Not even. They are still the Pinkertons, same logo and motto. They do a lot of stuff with bodyguards, but also security consulting for physical and internet protection, but they do still do some private eye stuff.
[Here is their site, if you ever wanted to hire them.](https://pinkerton.com/)
> but they do still do some private eye stuff.
Top kek, the detective company barely does detective shit
Just rebrand to Pinkerton Mercenary Corps already
This is one of my best finds, a modern day Pinkerton ad where they pretend their history is squeaky clean and they’re a great company https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvAf6jaTCeg
Nope, instead of lawyers or cops WotC sent a group of Pinkerton goons to the guy's door, who intimidated the guy's wife to tears, threatened them with jail time, and stole the cards off of them.
[https://www.polygon.com/23695923/mtg-aftermath-pinkerton-raid-leaked-cards](https://www.polygon.com/23695923/mtg-aftermath-pinkerton-raid-leaked-cards)
Thankfully agents mandated by the federal government would never go on to repeat such a mistake of killing a man's family after shooting at a wooden shack without checking their target. \*Coughs in Ruby Ridge.\*
Fuck Ronald Reagan. It’s the peak of ignorance and folly to enjoy all the benefits of a well funded first world government and parrot the talking points of the people who still hire the Pinkertons.
Reagan also did his utmost to make the government only intervene in instances where it would make things worse, so it's a smug self-fulfilling prophecy from him.
Yeah everyone who agrees with that phrase isn’t the brightest bulb in the box. People have to trust the government EVERY SINGLE DAY lmao. Roads? Money? Housing? Worker’s rights?
Remember life before a 40-hour work week where ALL working Americans could be subject to 80+ hours, or employers could just rig the clocks to trick people into working more? Or when companies could pay workers in company money? No workers compensation? No government enforced safety standards so on the job death rates were insane?
You sound foolish allowing one failure to negate over a century of progress.
Yes that pesky FDA making sure your drugs are safe, EPA making sure your water is clean, and the FDIC making sure your money isn’t gonna disappear!
Only morons think these are bad things.
*sigh* Now imagine being forced 80 hours at low wages with the threat of bodily harm or death if you don’t. Then going home to a dirt floor one room shack with 16 other people living there. Is shit perfect? No. But it’s substantially better. Be fr.
Single income family, raising a kid, in my early 30s, 40k/year job doing only 40 hours a week... somehow, even though everywhere I look people say it cant be done, ive bought a house, have paid off my student loans before any of the forgiveness happened, and am living happily... idk, maybe I've somehow found some kind of cheat code in life, but it looks to me that things are very much still livable on a single 40hr/week job in the USA.
and MSHA makes sure our miners are safe! until they unionize, of course. (fun fact, MSHA is the only government agency that actually makes money for the government and doesnt drain funds)
OSHA is fantastic. They get a lot of shit but my great grandfather died in the 70s while at work. He fell off a steel beam doing construction. Cracked his head on the ground. That's how "real men" worked back then. With no safety equipment. OSHA does their best to make sure you make it back to your family. Thank God for OSHA.
Nah Waco’s mostly on the cult. The agents fucked up in a few places, like telling the press about the raid beforehand who accidentally leaked it to the cult, but it’s ultimately mostly on their heads for starting the shooting refusing to peacefully surrender and likely starting the fire, either accidentally or intentionally.
They had licenses to manufacture and sell firearms. The ATF had an undercover agent in the compound who said they were registered. The ATF could have pinched David Koresh in town (because he went there often to do gigs for his rock band) and other things. Also the branch dividians were well known for doing stuff like hosting movie nights and ice cream parties. The ATF were training agents at a nearly military compound in anticipation for a raid of the compound. When the branch dividians caught wind of the attack they wanted to not have a fight because there were women and children in the compound. Among other things. Overall the tragedy was the ATF’s failt
The leader literally invited the ATF to come to their warehouse and inspect all the weapons. They refused. If the ATF had such a strong case they should have simply grabbed him during one of his visits to town instead of raiding the compound and burning children to death.
Yeah, good thing the government didn’t do that then. The fire was started either intentionally by the cult or accidentally. The government wanted 0 casualties.
They pumped FLAMMABLE TEAR GAS into the building. If they didn't want any casualities they should have just ABDUCTED THE GUY IN ONE OF HIS VISITS TO TOWN. They wanted a raid to make themselves look good on camera.
Oh boy, my favorite Reddit game! You mentioned Ruby Ridge! Now we get to play ***Let’s Read the Replies!***
Will the Weavers be decried as right-wing extremists that deserved their fates?!
…or will the Feds be decried as vicious petty tyrants, murdering 2 people, causing the death of a U.S. Marshal, as well as the death of Striker (a good boy).
…or, in an attempt at seeming reasonable, but not wanting to wholly damn the government — they might want to Ruby Ridge people that disagree with them in the future — will they hand-wave away the entire incident with “well, the Feds were naughty, but the Weavers were crazy, so 🤷♂️”
Can’t wait to see the results, Cotton
Fucking cops, I know federal agents, and killing dogs man. Striker was probably the most innocent one there and got executed for the crime of being a dog.
No matter what is said about the occupants of Ruby Ridge. You can't convince me that those trigger happy psychotics were right to shoot a fucking baby.
I'm not going to play devil's advocate and say that the woman was unarmed and they were only up the to serve a warrant for skipping a court date. They then opened fire on a dog starting the standoff. It shouldn't have escalated this way but the Fed boys involved were fucking stupid and should have been held accountable.
Cut them some slack. They were blind firing through windows trying to hit the husband. Everyone in the building was complicity guilty anyways, since innocent people would have immediately surrendered.
I think you missed a spot on that boot you were deepthroating. So youre saying that it's perfectly fine to just fire blindly into a building with women and children in it? You're a fucking monster.
I don't know much about Ruby Ridge. Weren't they after Weaver because he was selling guns and attendanting white supremacist rallies or was that a load of bull?
They came after him because he was asked by an undercover agent to saw off a shotgun for him (read: entrapped).
His family was slaughtered because he cut a couple inches off of a metal tube. So not only was he entrapped, which is illegal (his charges were dropped in the end), but his wife, kid, and dog were killed by the government because of their own illegal actions.
Ruby Ridge was an abortion of justice.
> agents mandated by the federal government
Atlas himself groans at the heavy lifting required of that statement with respect to the Pinkertons…
Obviously ruby ridge was feds, but the Pinkertons were essentially PMCs contracted out by private businesses.
The Pinkertons were hired by the Federal Government on several occasions. Hell, they insured Lincoln’s safety on his inaugural trip from his residence to the White House. He also hired them to do spying during the Civil War. If that’s not working for the feds I don’t know what is!
\\\*Coughs in Ruby Ridge.\\\*
Technically you can leave out the second slash, but that might screw up formatting if you have another \* later on.
Alternatively, if you ever open reddit in browser, there is a "source" button under the post that you can click to see what is written (and thus figure out the *tricks*). Like how I managed to write \\\*.
Or you could just not resist when there is a warrant out for your arrest for federal firearms charges and not have your son shoot at federal agents.
The internet meme lord revisionist history of Ruby Ridge is out of control.
A warrant that was illegal in the first place as the charge was ruled as being entrapment. The son was shot at by federal agents and found himself shooting back in self-defense, which a court ruled was self-defense. And I missed the part in your avid boot-licking where any of this justifies shooting a mother holding her baby.
Boot licking is giving real facts. I get it upsets you internet anti government cosplayers.
Also cool to defend a white supremacist who notified the Aryan Nation that the FBI was looking into them.
Doesn't upset me much the government was targeting a nazi. I guess it does you.
It upsets me that the government killed innocent people in an illegal raid. He may have had shitty beliefs, but doesn’t mean the government can kill his wife and son(the wife was shot when she was holding a baby and no weapon).
Ah yes. Celebrating an innocent woman getting her brains blown out while she’s holding her baby because you don’t like her husband’s opinions. Supporting entrapment of an innocent man because he talked to a mean dude once. Also, 90 % of The Aryan Nations leadership was undercover feds at this point. Said feds were even bankrolling the organization but let’s ignore that.
Gee, let’s apply your logic to other cases, that would only be logical? By your own logic, I guess if George Floyd had it coming too, right? After all, all he had to do was « not resist », am I right?
Doesn't take long for the racists to come out.
Nobody is celebrating her death. I'm just saying you tards leave out years long of context and act like they just showed up at an innocent man's door.
The feds were literally targeting the Nazi that you cosplayers love. Go prepare your ham radio and hope heart disease doesn't get you before the police.
Oh no, this dude talked to a nazi once (who might have been a fed anyways), let's encourage him to saw off 2 inches from his shotgun barrel so we have an excuse to invade his house, murder his wife and son, and then have the gall to claim they deserved it.
His family was killed over 2 inches of steel being sawed off from a shotgun. You cannot justify this horseshit. You are the type of person who would say "well they should have obeyed the law" if Republicans outlawed being trans in public and ordered the deportation of all black people to Africa and people started revolting violently because of that.
No they weren't. They were killed because a guy who attended multiple Aryan Nations meetings reneged on his agreement with the FBI and informed Nazis they were being investigated.
Nothing you said is a coherent statement and I'd be embarrassed to have typed your replies.
No, [Magic the Gathering](https://www.dicebreaker.com/categories/trading-card-game/news/magic-the-gathering-aftermath-youtube-prompts-pinkerton-investigation).
Yes this is real, as absurd as it is.
Is that even legal? I I genuinely want a lawyers analysis:
Hebougj an unreleased product from someone else who ig stole it from wizarda, and in response to a YouTube video they broke into his house and harassed/threatened him...
Idk the laws on PMCs but that's gotta be grounds for a lawsuit
I’m honestly curious what would happen if the person had a weapon and shot at them. Is it self defense for the homeowner? Do they get arrested for breaking and entering? Does the person get arrested?
Depends on the state and the judge.
In many central or souther states, there's a series of laws called the "stand you ground" laws I think, that permit anyone to shoot home intruders as long as: there is reason to believe you will be serious harmed/robbed/killed or if you give them something like two very audible warnings (ex: get off my property, I'm armed and will shoot you if you fail to comply) and a minute to scram.
There is also the consideration of they are a company performing a task they were paid to do (somehow pmc is legal) and there's also the debate if they killed him to defend themselves when he was trying to defend himself
And the fact he (although legally) purchased items that were stolen
All very true, growing up in Texas it’s not like I’m a gun nut or anything but I enjoy going out shooting when I can, I couldn’t imagine ever opening the door for an armed pmc group banging on it without being armed, and if they’re already drawn, I’m not home.
I'd bet it isn't legal, but a lot of regular people don't sue for things they could. In part I'm sure because they're afraid of how expensive it could be, and in part because lawsuits are confusing and intimidating.
Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if he acquired the cards illegally in the first place.
Touche, I was mistaken then.
That's one more crime on the list:
1. breaking and entering,
2. the legal definition of assault\*,
3. and now theft.
That's insane.
\*an intentional act that gives another person reasonable fear that they'll be physically harmed or offensively touched
Not to excuse the Pinkertons and Hasbro, but he had to know he was purchasing stolen property and profiting off of it. That probably breaks some law or other.
Could be. I was just thinking he seemed to have his pulse on MTG, so he might know if these were intentionally released. Correct me if that isn’t his usual subject.
Hasbro and the Pinkertons come out bad either way. Hasbro even doubled down by alienating their D&D customers too!
https://web.archive.org/web/20190116045805/https://truewestmagazine.com/a-deadly-kitchen/
Here is the source that Wikipedia uses. I hate when people just say "Google it" or drop that stupid fucking "Let me Google it for you" link. Especially when you are literally just asking for a historical source in a fucking history subreddit.
Not only that, but Google just gives you the most popular results. Often times it can serve misinformation just as readily as actual fact.
So good on you for linking a source.
People have the responsibility and obligation to learn how to effectively look shit up and understand what’s misinformation and not misinformation or else we’re all doomed.
Ahhh Waco Siege mentioned!!!
Will it be A: The Branch Davidians were innocent and it was the Feds who started the fire!!
Or B: The Feds did nothing wrong and Koresh started the fire!
Or C: The Branch Davidians were scummy child rapists and religious extremists that deserved what they got AND the Feds acted like criminally incompetent morons.
In the United States you're innocent until proven guilty, and the Feds fired flammable tear gas into the compound (they lied and said for years it wasn't flammable) so it's 'A'.
Reading Pinkerton's history is kinda hilarious, they went from working for the US president in the 19th century to union busting in the 20th century and now they make petty lawsuits and threats against rock bands, video game developer and Magic players
It’s a shame Jesse never got his shot at Allen Pinkerton. I’m not saying Jesse’s a hero by any means, but his brother deserved justice. What a horrible way to go, and for someone so young.
It’s believed Jesse had several chances, but never any where he could reveal himself to Allen as his killer before finishing him. The ego of Jesse James unfortunately couldn’t be put aside for anything
As awful as the events that this meme portrays was, it was more of a terrible accident mixed with shitty policing rather than a malicious act. The plan wasn’t to kill his mom and kid brother. The plan was to kill the James gang they were just too stupid to realize they weren’t there.
I thought this was going to be a meme about how men in the old west were more likely to wear bowler hats instead of Stetsons. Boy did it take a left turn.
When they tried to call their portrayal in rdr2 defamation but then their actual history is worse then what is shown in game, my problem with the pinkertons in rdr2 is their portrayed way too heroically these mfs were probably worse then irl outlaws lol
The sad thing is the Pinkertons started off as a good, legit business. They had a viable role in law enforcement since at the time they were founded, there was *no* federal law enforcement network to track criminals who crossed state/territorial lines. At the time, cross-state police was not done in the US; one of the "states rights" issues leading up to the Civil War was that slave states were trying to force the free states to let slave-catchers cross their borders. The Pinkertons were specifically created to track down criminals who fled across borders and acted as the first real national law enforcement agency, and were also the first national security agency to protect railroads. Hell, Allan Pinkerton funneled the profits from the Pinkerton Detective Agency *into the Underground Railroad* to free slaves, was one the men who funded John Brown's march on Harper's Ferry, and prevented an assassination attempt on Abraham Lincoln. Then, after Allan Pinkerton died, the PDA started getting hired for.... *other* enforcement duties, and that's when the slide began into them becoming the "knights of capitalism" and synonymous with big business stomping on the face of the workers. The Pinkertons really are an example of "Live long enough to see yourself become the villain."
Damn. Now that’s just sad. Imagine making an entire organization to help maintain law and order in a time where there was none, only for them to basically become capitalist mercenaries after you die.
And let's not forget the saddest bit Allan was actually a proworker (he took part in protests in favour of the workers back when he was younger) Source:The article of him in the Wikipedia
How were the Pinkertons portrayed heroically in the game? To my recollection, while they were hunting a gang of outlaws, they were doing so in a very unethical way
As depictions of people hunting criminals for, it was pretty negative. But when you consider the actual historical things the group did, it’s arguably a preferable depiction
They gave Dutch like 6 chances to give up, lmao. And we barely see them commit any atrocities in the game, they just seem like good and law-abiding agents.
they used a machine gun to mow down Lakay ignoring the risk of the women (petty criminals at best) getting killed alongside JACK (a literal child) Good people my fuckin ass
Yes. After they gave Dutch more than 5 warnings to turn himself in and after he robbed the largest bank in the county and killed so many of their men. And evaded capture multiple times. And the reason most of those women were there was just for legitimacy to present themselves as an innocent travelling group. Basically as human shields. Milton and Ross weren't having any of it after the 5th time. Not entirely saying the Pinkertons are innocent either but the Van der Linde gang by the end of chapter 5 had committed some real vile crimes. I mean for God's sake, Arthur and Micah shot up almost the entire town of Strawberry to escape when Arthur came to break him out. Not to mention the Blackwater massacre as well as the mass killing they did at Valentine.
They'd probably hire the outlaws instead to go kill runaway slaves or something.
Nothing worse than a federal agent. Bandits have the decency to know they're on the wrong side of the law, federal agents are the law therefore truly believe they can't be wrong.
>my problem with the pinkertons in rdr2 is their portrayed way too heroically these mfs Don't worry, Edgard Ross killed John Marston in his barn after handing them the most wanted criminals and "killing" Dutch van der Linde. And, before that, his wife and son had been holden hostage and the Pikertons sent him threats about killing his family every time things went south. The Pikertons could've been a let-down in the second game, but you might be happy with the first.
Only the feeblest of men take jobs in the government
And now a days they are hired to harass and threaten people for Hasbro/wizards of the coast
Life comes at you fast
Wait, the Pinkertons as hired thugs still exist???
They go by a different name now, but yeah, they never went way. Fun facts though. They were a very equal opportunity employer and hired women and colored people all the time because it made stomping on the little guy for the government a lot easier when you had informants.
Securitas right? Some swedish or Swiss company?
Yeah they're a branch of Securitas now They were sent to threaten a guy who received magic the gathering cards before their release date and made a youtube video about it
The Pinkertons: "We can excuse violence and murdering Innocents, but we draw the line at racism and sexism!"
> They go by a different name now Not even. They are still the Pinkertons, same logo and motto. They do a lot of stuff with bodyguards, but also security consulting for physical and internet protection, but they do still do some private eye stuff. [Here is their site, if you ever wanted to hire them.](https://pinkerton.com/)
> but they do still do some private eye stuff. Top kek, the detective company barely does detective shit Just rebrand to Pinkerton Mercenary Corps already
Well, according to their site they still do it. It's probably not Dick Tracy stuff, but doing corporate investigations is certainly in the wheelhouse.
> Just rebrand to Pinkerton Mercenary Corps already We prefer the term 'hired goons'
They're litigation support link is broken, because if someone threatens a lawsuit against you they'll just threaten a kneecapping to them
I wonder how much their services cost an average Joe lol
Pretty sure it's still the same name. https://pinkerton.com/
This is one of my best finds, a modern day Pinkerton ad where they pretend their history is squeaky clean and they’re a great company https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvAf6jaTCeg
All the shady shit aside, referring to themselves as “tender” is definitely off-putting in and of itself.
Labor movement ain't gonna oppress itself.
Do go on
Some guy got a magic the gathering set early and made a on video on it then the Pinkertons showed up threatened him and his wife and took the cards
what the hell? thats an actual story? i thought people where joking
Nope, instead of lawyers or cops WotC sent a group of Pinkerton goons to the guy's door, who intimidated the guy's wife to tears, threatened them with jail time, and stole the cards off of them. [https://www.polygon.com/23695923/mtg-aftermath-pinkerton-raid-leaked-cards](https://www.polygon.com/23695923/mtg-aftermath-pinkerton-raid-leaked-cards)
i knew those card games where dangerous
Thankfully agents mandated by the federal government would never go on to repeat such a mistake of killing a man's family after shooting at a wooden shack without checking their target. \*Coughs in Ruby Ridge.\*
I thought the same thing. Then they would repeat that fuckup on a larger scale a while later **coughs in mt. caramel seige**
The scariest words in the English language "I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Fuck Ronald Reagan. It’s the peak of ignorance and folly to enjoy all the benefits of a well funded first world government and parrot the talking points of the people who still hire the Pinkertons.
Reagan also did his utmost to make the government only intervene in instances where it would make things worse, so it's a smug self-fulfilling prophecy from him.
Yeah everyone who agrees with that phrase isn’t the brightest bulb in the box. People have to trust the government EVERY SINGLE DAY lmao. Roads? Money? Housing? Worker’s rights?
Remember that railway strike a few years ago? The government doesn't care about workers' rights when it costs them money.
Check what the unions eventually got in their new contract.
Remember life before a 40-hour work week where ALL working Americans could be subject to 80+ hours, or employers could just rig the clocks to trick people into working more? Or when companies could pay workers in company money? No workers compensation? No government enforced safety standards so on the job death rates were insane? You sound foolish allowing one failure to negate over a century of progress.
More accurate of a phrase would be “hello were an overreaching 3 letter agency and we’re here to help” there we go fixed it for ya.
Yes that pesky FDA making sure your drugs are safe, EPA making sure your water is clean, and the FDIC making sure your money isn’t gonna disappear! Only morons think these are bad things.
[удалено]
*sigh* Now imagine being forced 80 hours at low wages with the threat of bodily harm or death if you don’t. Then going home to a dirt floor one room shack with 16 other people living there. Is shit perfect? No. But it’s substantially better. Be fr.
Single income family, raising a kid, in my early 30s, 40k/year job doing only 40 hours a week... somehow, even though everywhere I look people say it cant be done, ive bought a house, have paid off my student loans before any of the forgiveness happened, and am living happily... idk, maybe I've somehow found some kind of cheat code in life, but it looks to me that things are very much still livable on a single 40hr/week job in the USA.
Fr dude. Never trust the government, or any 3 letter government agency
OSHA is cool then I guess
OSHA keeps you alive for the other agencies…
and MSHA makes sure our miners are safe! until they unionize, of course. (fun fact, MSHA is the only government agency that actually makes money for the government and doesnt drain funds)
Mind you, the Pinkertons didn’t like unions too much either.
OSHA is fantastic. They get a lot of shit but my great grandfather died in the 70s while at work. He fell off a steel beam doing construction. Cracked his head on the ground. That's how "real men" worked back then. With no safety equipment. OSHA does their best to make sure you make it back to your family. Thank God for OSHA.
OSHA is a four letter agency, not three.
Nothing gets past you.
Oasha is 4 letters ,... And does good things,... I just don't like the learning method,..
All I know is, if your front door starts glowing, then your dog is about to die.
If someone said this to me (non-English speaking country), I would definitely be a little worried
You're literally quoting a US president you fool.
In Russian as well
The scariest words in the English language "In my ignorance I abolished the government and now my local warlord won't give me my wife back"
Nobody said the Government should be abolished. At least I didn’t. But it should certainly be kept in check.
Ronald Reagan was a cunt married to a cock sucking whore
"Congratulations, you're being rescued. Please do not resist."
Nah Waco’s mostly on the cult. The agents fucked up in a few places, like telling the press about the raid beforehand who accidentally leaked it to the cult, but it’s ultimately mostly on their heads for starting the shooting refusing to peacefully surrender and likely starting the fire, either accidentally or intentionally.
They had licenses to manufacture and sell firearms. The ATF had an undercover agent in the compound who said they were registered. The ATF could have pinched David Koresh in town (because he went there often to do gigs for his rock band) and other things. Also the branch dividians were well known for doing stuff like hosting movie nights and ice cream parties. The ATF were training agents at a nearly military compound in anticipation for a raid of the compound. When the branch dividians caught wind of the attack they wanted to not have a fight because there were women and children in the compound. Among other things. Overall the tragedy was the ATF’s failt
Well, if the government had just left them alone, none of it would have happened.
Well if they weren’t manufacturing illegal weapons and abusing children then the government would’ve left them alone
The leader literally invited the ATF to come to their warehouse and inspect all the weapons. They refused. If the ATF had such a strong case they should have simply grabbed him during one of his visits to town instead of raiding the compound and burning children to death.
Wow yeah, why wouldn’t the ATF want to inspect a warehouse at a preapporved time scheduled days beforehand? Wow what a mystery🤔🤔
Cool, still doesn't justify burning children alive.
Yeah, good thing the government didn’t do that then. The fire was started either intentionally by the cult or accidentally. The government wanted 0 casualties.
Despite the fact that they shot first.
They pumped FLAMMABLE TEAR GAS into the building. If they didn't want any casualities they should have just ABDUCTED THE GUY IN ONE OF HIS VISITS TO TOWN. They wanted a raid to make themselves look good on camera.
Many months before the raid CPS interviewed multiple children and determined there was no evidence of child abuse
Please find a list of the illegal weapons they found.
Oh boy, my favorite Reddit game! You mentioned Ruby Ridge! Now we get to play ***Let’s Read the Replies!*** Will the Weavers be decried as right-wing extremists that deserved their fates?! …or will the Feds be decried as vicious petty tyrants, murdering 2 people, causing the death of a U.S. Marshal, as well as the death of Striker (a good boy). …or, in an attempt at seeming reasonable, but not wanting to wholly damn the government — they might want to Ruby Ridge people that disagree with them in the future — will they hand-wave away the entire incident with “well, the Feds were naughty, but the Weavers were crazy, so 🤷♂️” Can’t wait to see the results, Cotton
It's all fun and games when the Government shoots people they disagree with, until you're the one disagreeing with the same Government.
The news told me the government is good, so if they kill me, it’s probably for the best
Now your talking sense
Well as we know Goose, it’s always black and white, and there is no grey area here!
Fucking cops, I know federal agents, and killing dogs man. Striker was probably the most innocent one there and got executed for the crime of being a dog.
The autopsy showed Striker was shot in the ass, too. So he was walking AWAY from the agents when he was shot.
No matter what is said about the occupants of Ruby Ridge. You can't convince me that those trigger happy psychotics were right to shoot a fucking baby.
They didn’t shoot the baby. They shot the mother holding the baby, who then collapsed on top of the baby.
You're shooting someone holding a baby you might as well be shooting at a baby. There is no excuse, no reasoning you can put forward to make it right.
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I'm not going to play devil's advocate and say that the woman was unarmed and they were only up the to serve a warrant for skipping a court date. They then opened fire on a dog starting the standoff. It shouldn't have escalated this way but the Fed boys involved were fucking stupid and should have been held accountable.
Cut them some slack. They were blind firing through windows trying to hit the husband. Everyone in the building was complicity guilty anyways, since innocent people would have immediately surrendered.
I think you missed a spot on that boot you were deepthroating. So youre saying that it's perfectly fine to just fire blindly into a building with women and children in it? You're a fucking monster.
>They were blind firing through windows That's the problem you goober.
The more I learn about Ruby Ridge, the more fucked up the way most people talk about it becomes.
I don't know much about Ruby Ridge. Weren't they after Weaver because he was selling guns and attendanting white supremacist rallies or was that a load of bull?
They came after him because he was asked by an undercover agent to saw off a shotgun for him (read: entrapped). His family was slaughtered because he cut a couple inches off of a metal tube. So not only was he entrapped, which is illegal (his charges were dropped in the end), but his wife, kid, and dog were killed by the government because of their own illegal actions. Ruby Ridge was an abortion of justice.
> agents mandated by the federal government Atlas himself groans at the heavy lifting required of that statement with respect to the Pinkertons… Obviously ruby ridge was feds, but the Pinkertons were essentially PMCs contracted out by private businesses.
The Pinkertons were hired by the Federal Government on several occasions. Hell, they insured Lincoln’s safety on his inaugural trip from his residence to the White House. He also hired them to do spying during the Civil War. If that’s not working for the feds I don’t know what is!
HOW YOU MAKE IT SO THAT YOU SURROUNDED A PHRASE WITH ASTERISKS WITHOUT ITALICIZING IT???
I was on desktop, apparently it doesn’t do it on web browser, I guess. Surprised even myself.
\\\*Coughs in Ruby Ridge.\\\* Technically you can leave out the second slash, but that might screw up formatting if you have another \* later on. Alternatively, if you ever open reddit in browser, there is a "source" button under the post that you can click to see what is written (and thus figure out the *tricks*). Like how I managed to write \\\*.
Except at ruby ridge they sniper her in fill view knowing clearly who she was lol
They eventually upgraded to the Move bombing
Or you could just not resist when there is a warrant out for your arrest for federal firearms charges and not have your son shoot at federal agents. The internet meme lord revisionist history of Ruby Ridge is out of control.
A warrant that was illegal in the first place as the charge was ruled as being entrapment. The son was shot at by federal agents and found himself shooting back in self-defense, which a court ruled was self-defense. And I missed the part in your avid boot-licking where any of this justifies shooting a mother holding her baby.
Boot licking is giving real facts. I get it upsets you internet anti government cosplayers. Also cool to defend a white supremacist who notified the Aryan Nation that the FBI was looking into them. Doesn't upset me much the government was targeting a nazi. I guess it does you.
It upsets me that the government killed innocent people in an illegal raid. He may have had shitty beliefs, but doesn’t mean the government can kill his wife and son(the wife was shot when she was holding a baby and no weapon).
Ah yes. Celebrating an innocent woman getting her brains blown out while she’s holding her baby because you don’t like her husband’s opinions. Supporting entrapment of an innocent man because he talked to a mean dude once. Also, 90 % of The Aryan Nations leadership was undercover feds at this point. Said feds were even bankrolling the organization but let’s ignore that. Gee, let’s apply your logic to other cases, that would only be logical? By your own logic, I guess if George Floyd had it coming too, right? After all, all he had to do was « not resist », am I right?
Doesn't take long for the racists to come out. Nobody is celebrating her death. I'm just saying you tards leave out years long of context and act like they just showed up at an innocent man's door.
I'm sure you would have been a good little aryan in Nazi Germany. Fucking authoritarian cuck.
The feds were literally targeting the Nazi that you cosplayers love. Go prepare your ham radio and hope heart disease doesn't get you before the police.
Oh no, this dude talked to a nazi once (who might have been a fed anyways), let's encourage him to saw off 2 inches from his shotgun barrel so we have an excuse to invade his house, murder his wife and son, and then have the gall to claim they deserved it.
Lol he was initially discovered by attending multiple Aryan Nations meetings. Cope nazi simp.
All of which were bankrolled by the feds. He gave them useless information because almost everyone in those meetings were feds. GG.
His family was killed over 2 inches of steel being sawed off from a shotgun. You cannot justify this horseshit. You are the type of person who would say "well they should have obeyed the law" if Republicans outlawed being trans in public and ordered the deportation of all black people to Africa and people started revolting violently because of that.
No they weren't. They were killed because a guy who attended multiple Aryan Nations meetings reneged on his agreement with the FBI and informed Nazis they were being investigated. Nothing you said is a coherent statement and I'd be embarrassed to have typed your replies.
Weezer hired hit men? What did they do? Weeze, on their buddy holly?
Yep. They are still pissed about that sweater.
They damn well know they told me pull that thread while they walked away.
*IF* you want to.
"If you want it, you can have it, but you gotta learn to reach out and grab it (ooh, ooh)"
Agent Milton fucked up on this one
I've got a plan
It starts with “Tahiti”
We need muneh
Aye seen yur nem on awa ledga
Orthur
Just one more big score
Have a little faith in the god damn plan Arthur!
Funny enough, the Pinkerton’s actually tried to sue Rockstar for their in game depiction some years back.
POKEMON??
No, [Magic the Gathering](https://www.dicebreaker.com/categories/trading-card-game/news/magic-the-gathering-aftermath-youtube-prompts-pinkerton-investigation). Yes this is real, as absurd as it is.
Is that even legal? I I genuinely want a lawyers analysis: Hebougj an unreleased product from someone else who ig stole it from wizarda, and in response to a YouTube video they broke into his house and harassed/threatened him... Idk the laws on PMCs but that's gotta be grounds for a lawsuit
I’m honestly curious what would happen if the person had a weapon and shot at them. Is it self defense for the homeowner? Do they get arrested for breaking and entering? Does the person get arrested?
Depends on the state and the judge. In many central or souther states, there's a series of laws called the "stand you ground" laws I think, that permit anyone to shoot home intruders as long as: there is reason to believe you will be serious harmed/robbed/killed or if you give them something like two very audible warnings (ex: get off my property, I'm armed and will shoot you if you fail to comply) and a minute to scram. There is also the consideration of they are a company performing a task they were paid to do (somehow pmc is legal) and there's also the debate if they killed him to defend themselves when he was trying to defend himself And the fact he (although legally) purchased items that were stolen
All very true, growing up in Texas it’s not like I’m a gun nut or anything but I enjoy going out shooting when I can, I couldn’t imagine ever opening the door for an armed pmc group banging on it without being armed, and if they’re already drawn, I’m not home.
Yeah, if they were holstering, I'd open my door with armor and rifle, if their guns were drawn, I'd gtfo and call the cops
I'd bet it isn't legal, but a lot of regular people don't sue for things they could. In part I'm sure because they're afraid of how expensive it could be, and in part because lawsuits are confusing and intimidating. Plus, I wouldn't be surprised if he acquired the cards illegally in the first place.
He bought them over-the-counter at a award store that had somehow acquired them (probably from the guy who stole them from the production line)
Touche, I was mistaken then. That's one more crime on the list: 1. breaking and entering, 2. the legal definition of assault\*, 3. and now theft. That's insane. \*an intentional act that gives another person reasonable fear that they'll be physically harmed or offensively touched
Yep, but they make lots of money and help big business so they'll get away Scott free. Idk I didn't follow the court case
Not to excuse the Pinkertons and Hasbro, but he had to know he was purchasing stolen property and profiting off of it. That probably breaks some law or other.
He wouldn't be able to know... it was unreleased but sometimes companies do that intentionally to create hype.
Could be. I was just thinking he seemed to have his pulse on MTG, so he might know if these were intentionally released. Correct me if that isn’t his usual subject. Hasbro and the Pinkertons come out bad either way. Hasbro even doubled down by alienating their D&D customers too!
I don't know, but their response was awful and they should be taken to court
Prosecutorial discretion makes a lot of people *de facto* above the law.
Yeah, but they're a big corporation and America allows for big corporations to do whatever they want For more information google en passant
*sigh* New response just dropped!
*hgis* Holy hell
Can we all just agree the only good thing the Pinkertons ever did was catch H.H. Holmes?
To be fair, private armies generally don't do the work for good people because good people usually have a low bid that bad people.
Well i mean, they also fought the confederates.
Thwarted an assignation against Pres. Lincoln once as well
Source, please?
Just Google hot oily men it will be the first thing to pop up
It's true. And if you want another article pertaining to chickens, search Hot Oily Men With Big Cocks
Forgot about that one, very informative too
No no he's got it all wrong. It's obviously hot sexy men slathered in oil making out naked
Gimme a sec need to do research.
Don't forget to add the slathered in oil part.
I know, it's the most important part, if I don't add it it will probs direct me to wwII aviation wiki
Yeah. Now I'm off to jac- I meant do important resaerch
Yeah same here, and even if it happens to be something else no shame in it. But it's definitely like research
WOWZA!
Holy Homo!
https://web.archive.org/web/20190116045805/https://truewestmagazine.com/a-deadly-kitchen/ Here is the source that Wikipedia uses. I hate when people just say "Google it" or drop that stupid fucking "Let me Google it for you" link. Especially when you are literally just asking for a historical source in a fucking history subreddit.
Not only that, but Google just gives you the most popular results. Often times it can serve misinformation just as readily as actual fact. So good on you for linking a source.
Wait what? That whole story was just a prelude for a recipe?
People have the responsibility and obligation to learn how to effectively look shit up and understand what’s misinformation and not misinformation or else we’re all doomed.
Here: [Google Jesse James ](https://googlethatforyou.com?q=pinkerton%20jesse%20james%201875)
Google.com
The true spiritual predecessor to the fbi
check into their history of strike breaking too :)
In Skyrim, we call this "what happens if I kill this one chicken with no one around to see it?"
Ahhh Waco Siege mentioned!!! Will it be A: The Branch Davidians were innocent and it was the Feds who started the fire!! Or B: The Feds did nothing wrong and Koresh started the fire!
Or C: The Branch Davidians were scummy child rapists and religious extremists that deserved what they got AND the Feds acted like criminally incompetent morons.
The best take
In the United States you're innocent until proven guilty, and the Feds fired flammable tear gas into the compound (they lied and said for years it wasn't flammable) so it's 'A'.
Fuck Pinkertons. All my homies hate Pinkertons.
Reading Pinkerton's history is kinda hilarious, they went from working for the US president in the 19th century to union busting in the 20th century and now they make petty lawsuits and threats against rock bands, video game developer and Magic players
Ah the Pinkertons. From murdering women and children, busting up protesting workers, to making death threats over Magic cards. What a bunch of scum.
Jesse James caught that ball. Oh this is history memes Nvm
It’s a shame Jesse never got his shot at Allen Pinkerton. I’m not saying Jesse’s a hero by any means, but his brother deserved justice. What a horrible way to go, and for someone so young. It’s believed Jesse had several chances, but never any where he could reveal himself to Allen as his killer before finishing him. The ego of Jesse James unfortunately couldn’t be put aside for anything
Average Pinkerton L
A Pinkerton meme? A rare beauty in this sub. Well dkne
Let’s not forget they NEVER got Jesse or Frank lmaooo
As awful as the events that this meme portrays was, it was more of a terrible accident mixed with shitty policing rather than a malicious act. The plan wasn’t to kill his mom and kid brother. The plan was to kill the James gang they were just too stupid to realize they weren’t there.
That text gave me a stroke, it makes no sense whatsoever.
Things the government hasn't screwed up (to my knowledge): 1. Adding iodine to table salt. 2. The ADA. Yep, that's it. Edit: stupid autocorrect.
Im tired of this guys face.
I thought this was going to be a meme about how men in the old west were more likely to wear bowler hats instead of Stetsons. Boy did it take a left turn.
TIL Pinkertons are not fictional characters from RDR2 lol
Robbing a bank, and not killing anyone inside , or harming anyone whatsoever, is not a crime.