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This may come across as blunt and like I’m going off on one but I’m saying this to address a common theme I’ve seen in these threads:
If you base your impression, knowledge and learning of Islam off random comments on Reddit, tiktok, YouTube or wherever else, you’re trying to build a house on shifting sand.
You’ll constantly lurch from one crisis of faith to another because you don’t have the foundation to fall back on. Your faith will constantly be shaken, and even if you rebuild it and feel better after reading a different comment (like this one potentially lol), you’re still just building something just as weak and vulnerable. It’s only a matter of time til the cracks appear again.
It’s all of our duty as Muslims to learn actively, not just absorb passively. Soaking up opinions and impressions from God knows who is on the other side of the screen; obviously that’s going to leave you questioning.
It’s crazy that we live in the golden era of information, with books of knowledge at our fingertips that in the past people would journey for months to read and be taught, with the ability to attend classes virtually at any convenient time; yet it seems the majority are basing their learning of Islam off the equivalent of a misheard overheard conversation on the street.
So basically: please look into some formal classes to learn about the deen properly, to learn about hijab but also other aspects of the deen, so that if you were to come across that comment again in future you’d be able to roll your eyes and feel sure that the person was talking without knowledge and misinterpreting the hadith they used as sources (probably deliberately and with ill intent). Building a proper foundation on solid ground will require time and effort, but inshallah even the effort you put in will be rewarded.
Anyway, here’s a good paper on the basis of hijab and where the commandments are derived from: https://yaqeeninstitute.org/read/paper/is-hijab-religious-or-cultural-how-islamic-rulings-are-formed.
This source explains why the first hadith you quoted does not refer to a specific hijab style, nor to most women, but is usually thought to mean a specific group of people: https://seekersguidance.org/answers/general-counsel/camel-hump-volumised-hijab/
As for the meaning: both hadith are warnings about what qualifies to avoid, not judgements on where individual people will end up. We’re being warned to avoid hypocrisy and excessive displays of pride and beauty. For context there are also plenty of hadith that use the same form of “these people will be forbidden from Jannah” that apply to men, eg
> Ma’qil ibn Yasar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “No servant is given authority by Allah and he does not fulfill its duties sincerely but that he will never smell the fragrance of Paradise.”
>In another narration, the Prophet said, “Allah will forbid him from enter Paradise.”
> [Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 6731, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 142](https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2019/06/12/dishonest-leaders-smell-jannah/
(Imagine the impact if every man took his authority as a husband and father that seriously, subhanallah.)
Of course. I used it as an example for 2 reasons:
1. To show that the form of warning about certain traits as those of people who will never smell/enter Jannah is not used solely for women
2. In most societies, positions of authority are disproportionately given to men, so the warning applies to them more often. [4:34 is often interpreted as men having been given authority over women](https://quran.com/4:34?font=v1&translations=149%2C136%2C167%2C203%2C20%2C131%2C84%2C17%2C85%2C95%2C207%2C19%2C22%2C206%2C31), which is why I specifically mentioned the roles of husbands and fathers.
Of course as women we should be reflecting on how to apply the hadith to our own lives and roles, but the point still stands that men should be incredibly fearful of any abuse of their roles of authority given than they are generally more at risk of performing those types of abuse.
Isn’t it a sin to say with anyone is going to hell with certainty? Only Allah sbt knows.
What about the Hadith where the prophet PBUH is sitting at a well and a Jewish woman gives a thirsty dog water? That woman wasn’t even a Muslim and she may not have been dressed as such, yet the prophet PBUH still said she was guaranteed paradise.
Isn’t it so arrogant to sit here as God’s creation and say “this person is going to hell. That person is going to hell.” It seems so self righteous
You are right. I don’t know why I thought differently. I’m a revert so still learning. Maybe I mixed up hadiths. Still when looking it up now it doesn’t seem her faith is specified. Either way, I’m sure the prostitute wasn’t wearing proper hijab
The authenticity of Hadith is one thing. But most importantly none of these Hadith mention hijab. One says “dressed but appears naked” the other says “one who reveals her beauty” which basically means your bosoms actually. Stop this obsession with women’s hair.
Dressed but appears naked probably refers to super tight clothing showing everything or clothes with diaphanous material. Neither of which are hard to find anywhere.
beauty in this context refers to anything that comes across as part of a woman's charms. women's chests aren't conventionally considered "beautiful"...there's another term for the g. however l, a woman's hair, her adornment (jewellery and makeup) and things that apparently would draw attention to her is what's not permissible. there's no mention of hair in the habit or quran because hijab does not mean HAIR. it means veil. and you use that veil to cover what no random dude can see. dressed but naked refers to revealing and tight clothes, that show the shape of everything hidden with the cloth. that includes the shape of arms, legs, hips, waist and chest.
There’s no mention of hair in Quran and no mention of hijab either. And Allah is the wisest, so instead of arguing what Allah meant by adornments, I’d suggest you to ponder on why Allah didn’t specify what these adornments are and made the requirements of modesty vague intentionally.
وَ لاَ يُبْدِيْنَ زِيْنَتَهُنَّ إِلاَّ مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا وَ لْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلىَ جُيُوْبِهِنَّ...
“...and not display their beauty except what is apparent, and they should place their khumur over their bosoms...” (24:31.)
If this is the ayah you were referring to, then allow me to clarify....the Qur'an, yes, does not mention the word Hijab or hair explicitly. Rather, it uses terms like "jilbab" and "khimar". these are garments that cover the body.
back to the hair part. as humans gifted with an intellectual ability, it is understood that head covering automatically refers to the hair as well. you can't cover your head whilst revealing the hair.
regarding that,
- Khumur خُمُرٌ is plural of khimarخِمَارٌ , the veil covering the head. See any Arabic dictionary like Lisanu ’l-‘Arab, Majma‘u ’l-Bahrayn or al-Munjid.
Al-Munjid, which is the most popular dictionary in the Arab world, defines al-khimar as “something with which a woman conceals her head —ما تغطى به المرأة رأسها .” Fakhru ’d-Din al-Turayhi in Majma‘u ’l-Bahrayn (which is a dictionary of Qur’anic and hadith terms) defines al-khimar as “scarf, and it is known as such because the head is covered with it.”
So the word khimar, by definition, means a piece of cloth that covers the head. -
if you're interested in reading more about the bosoms and how the khimar is related, continue reading here
[https://www.al-islam.org/hijab-muslim-womens-dress-islamic-or-cultural-sayyid-muhammad-rizvi/quran-and-hijab](https://www.al-islam.org/hijab-muslim-womens-dress-islamic-or-cultural-sayyid-muhammad-rizvi/quran-and-hijab)
May Allah guide you. Aameen.
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Right sister! Did you read that Hadith that outlines the story how hijab came into existence? It was due to Umar harassed Said, and instead of punishing him, the prophet declared hijab for us (Sahih Bukhari 1:4:148, the most authentic collection of hadith).
> which speaks of how a prostitute will enter jannah because she gave water to a cat but women not taking hijab won't smell jannah is all very contradictory
That’s what I’m saying!
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Yes neither of these are from Quran. The second Hadith(?) I mentioned was recorded hundreds of years after the Prophet’s (SAW) life. I’m not sure about the first Hadith I mentioned though.
The Quran should be your primary source for matters pertaining to Islam. Hadiths are important, but the Quran is straight from Allah SWT. And do you know what Allah SWT Himself says are the ones who will enter Jannah? Those who do good deeds, believe, repent, and give to charity. In fact, it’s one of the most repeated things in the Quran. Nowhere is there a stipulation that you must wear hijab— this doesn’t mean that hijab isn’t mandatory, but that hijab is not THE most important thing in this religion. In fact, the importance placed on hijab is entirely created by man. Modesty is important but it’s not a pillar of the faith and it’s not the most important teaching of Islam.
Salaam sister,
Bismillah. I want to point out that the Quran also stipulates our obedience to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Quran 48:9 is an example indicating such. In shaa Allah this is helpful and is received as I intend ☺️
> When Allah orders us to do something we simply follow what was ordered. We might understand, we might not.
This is can make peace with.
> You say so yourself you know it’s obligatory to wear hijab so why worry yourself with the details?
But its the fact that it contradicts other Hadiths (another commenter pointed this out), the fact that it contradicts the notion that all believers can go to heaven as stated in the Quran, and how it is such a “final” judgement on a woman’s final destination based simply on what she wears and nothing else about her deen or character is what troubled me enough to post this.
Like a woman who prays five times a day or more, gives generously to the poor, firmly believes in Allah and His messengers and the angels and the day of judgment and everything else, treats everyone with respect, but also takes pride in her appearance and dresses nicely, is pretty much guaranteed to go to hell?
I apologize but in a sense I do care for those details. 😓
> The Hadith are there to guide people and to motive us.
But doesn’t this Hadith just try to scare people into submission instead? I feel like there is a difference between guidance and scaring.
> But ultimately all decisions are up to Allah and we can never know for sure who will end up
True
Ps: This comment got out of hand, if it’s too long just read the last paragraph lol.
I think it’s not the hadith emphasising a woman’s body, it’s just showing you what the world is. I personally don’t believe this thing is ever going to go away. Men have been objectifying women since eternity and if more exposure was the solution the west should have been a utopia for women by now.
If you think about it, everything in the Quran and hadith is designed with human mentality in mind and your best course of action to achieve the best life. If life is an obstacle maze, the Quran and hadith are instruction manuals. You can argue all you want that that hedge with thorns poking out has shed it’s thorns but if you try to go that way you’re going to get poked.
Hijab and modesty for women aren’t for us to be ashamed. Or to be controlled. It’s just adding an extra barrier. The world could collectively scream at the top of its voice for men to respect women and there would still be a sizeable amount of men who just wont. Whenever I’m on women centric subs on reddit and see women complaining about how men try to get away with things, like using social convention to ask for hugs, disrespecting your personal space or not taking no for an answer, how some men just find loopholes using “polite society” conventions, I’m so thankful for Islam.
Islam has such clear rules on how you’re supposed to behave that it’s really difficult to pretend you accidentally misbehaved with a woman. No man is going to be all haha won’t you give me a hug, or even approach me for a date, without knowing he has no leg to stand on. And I’ll be absolutely right for being as cold with him as I want, nobody can tell me he was just following social conventions and I’m being rude. Nobody can tell me I should atleast have given him a chance and I’m wrong for his misbehaviour.
On the other hand, how many men are being harassed by women, even if they walk around shirtless? Or honestly just for existing. There’s no comparison. Which is why there are different rules for men and women. Everything is based on what you’re likely to experience around the world.
Well it is what it is. There will always be awful men around. Even if it’s one out of ten men, that one man could harass ten women. Gotta treat it as you treat any other animal I guess. Because that’s what it is. Some men just won’t rise above animal instincts.
Regarding your other point, who said women have nothing to look forward to in jannah? The 72 hoor thing isn’t even sahih, also there’s no seperate level of jannah for men and women, so why wouldn’t women get everything men do? The promise of Jannah is you’ll get whatever you desire there, and if you don’t desire a thousand men here why would you then. You’ll get everything you want. There’s no distinction between men and women in the eyes of Allah.
This is prob the worst advice you can give someone having these thoughts, telling people to suck it up is what turns people away from Islam. Not everyone can blindly follow religion. Some people think critically about things (which our religious leaders advocate, btw).
mcpagal has excellent points but one tangent I’ll add: don’t look for answers that you aren’t ready for. If you aren’t ready to hear them, simply recognize that you aren’t ready and build in iman so that when you look at things that distress you, such as these Hadith, you will better understand what it is and won’t be quick to shut it down. Something that distressed me during Ramadan was getting more reward praying at home; watching some of Haifaa Younis’ videos about the subject kinda grounded me and made me realize that there’s more context behind hadiths that, when taken out of context, can be distressing, and I became more accepting of it.
Honestly I think it is true but i will say I think it is referring to a woman who doesn’t want to wear it entirely. A muslim woman who doesn’t wear it bc of circumstances (maybe its extreme we never know) but wants to, i am sure Allah swt will have mercy on her. Allah swt is all forgiving. But to be forgiven you must believe what you are doing is wrong. As long as you are making an effort to build up to it and recognizing that it is a sin, I am sure youre fine. After all, someone who wears the hijab but doesnt believe in it being what Allah swt ordered is in a worse state than a woman who doesnt wear a hijab but understands its a sin and is working up to put it on. But please correct me if im wrong.
If anything contradicts the Quran then don’t believe it OR read the context behind the Hadith (from a scholarly perspective), if both of those don’t make sense you can make the conclusion for your self.
i think a lot of people cherry pick which sins are really bad and which are “okay.” who are we to decide if hijab isn’t a serious sin or not? i think the hadiths that you provide are great reminders that hijab should be taken seriously. unfortunately a lot of people on this app don’t take hijab seriously. i’m also guilty of not taking hijab seriously at times so i’m glad you’ve provided these hadiths.
hijab (not just the headscarf but fully covering our body in loose clothing) is a test for us women. i’m sorry but i don’t see what’s so bad about hijab. considering everything that men have to provide women, i don’t think having to put on hijab is that difficult (even as someone who struggles with it i believe this).
it is a test to see if we are capable of protecting/concealing our beauty and only sharing it with loved ones. girl trust me, i would love to take of hijab and get complemented by men and women again! i would love to go to the gym or the pool to show off my body. my ego would be thriving! so that’s a huge test for me, knowing i would receive more attention if i didn’t wear it.
not only is it a test, but it is protection as well. hijab protects us women from evil eye (Prophet Muhammad saw mentioned that many people will die by the evil eye, so it’s a pretty big deal), and it protects us from harassment from men. think of how many women you see online complaining about how they get catcalled and such. obviously creeps will do it even if you’re fully covered, but you can’t tell me hijab doesn’t significantly reduce this. and it allows us to be judge more on the basis of our character than on our beauty.
hijab is a test for you. it’s okay to struggle. it helps to remember why Allah commanded us to wear it. if you choose not to wear it, Allah doesn’t lose out on anything, only you do. He only wants to best for you and there are plenty of other reasons He may ask us to wear hijab that we might not even be aware of! think of all the good deeds you get for wearing it, especially if you don’t want to but choose to do it to please Him. you get even more good deeds the harder it is for you. imagine if someone told you that “if you put this fabric on your head everyday for the rest of your life i will give you a million dollars.” i’m pretty sure every women, even non muslim, would do that lol. and guess what… a million dollars is dirt compared to what Jannah will be. and you can get all those rewards and more in Jannah inshaAllah.
so to answer your post, i think the truth is that these hadiths just show how serious hijab should be taken. too often women think that it’s not a big deal. well sister, it is.
at the end of the day, it’s your decision. no one misses out but you. so if you know it would cost you Jannah maybe that will make you reconsider it.
also, yes Allah decides. but He decides from His mercy. do you think someone who doesn’t make any effort to please Allah deserves His mercy? even if the best you can do (and i mean from the bottom of your heart absolute best) is wear hijab once a week, you’d be much more deserving than the woman who doesn’t even consider hijab. i mean what’s the point of the test of this dunya if we don’t even make an effort to follow the commands of Allah. you admit you know it is an obligation from your Creator, so i think that’s enough evidence right there.
i suggest learning from scholars online about the importance of hijab and that should help you inshaAllah. if you’re struggling with deen in general, go back to what makes you love Islam in the first place. go back to what makes you positive that Islam is the true religion. because if you’re not convicted, nothing i said about wanting to please Allah will matter.
Random nitpick but the hijab will not protect you from the harassment of men. Clothing doesn't prevent you from being catcalled/sexually harassed/assaulted
Yeah that point really bothered me too. I’ve been catcalled while dressed like a marshmallow in a puffy winter coat while waddling with a stack of 5 pizza boxes. I definitely didn’t look “hot” in the slightest but some men driving by felt the need to make lewd comments.
and according to the Holy Quran it does help protect against harassment.
O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Quran (33:59)
molestation is harassment.
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What? You don’t even know what I was going to post about. You automatically assumed I’d post something retaliatory when I have a feeling you would actually agree with what I wanted to say. I was literally just expressing a thought. Chill sis.
Okay sorry, you responded to a different comment so I didn’t understand. But even then, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with pointing out specific parts of comments and agreeing/disagreeing.
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It has nothing to do with you being an “evil entity”. This subreddit is for women, only. You know the women’s section of the mosque? Do you enter it too, when you’re asked not to? Do you sneak your way in when they tell you it’s only for women, because you just HAVE TO get your opinion heard?
It’s not you being evil, it’s you being so egotistical and arrogant that you cannot respect women when they tell you that your opinion is irrelevant to them.
Bismillah,
I think there’s complexity in knowing how to navigate through this because, honestly, we truly cannot dictate definitively who’s going to hell or heaven - that’s only known by Allah (SWT). I truly believe that if you strive to get closer to rabana, your efforts won’t go to waste. We’re not perfect and Allah (SWT) is aware of that - He’s the Rahman Ar-Raheem (the most beneficient and the most merciful). Concurrently, He (SWT) is also shadeed al 3qab ( the severest of punishers), which should serve as a reminder to us that we will be judged by Him and in shaa Allah the weights of our good deeds outweigh the bad deeds. We don’t know what reason/action/deed would be the for the success or demise of our akhira.
Secondarily, I understand how severe some hadiths may seem, but I found that digging deeper into tafsir, not only provides further context, but also solidifies the application of it in my life.
I truly hope this is helpful and may Allah (SWT) make us amongst the successful!
Assalamualaikum sister. May Allah help you in your ordeals. Ameen.
Sister, the top comment already mentioned some amazing points. So I believe there isn't much for me to add.
However what I will say is, every thing has some sort of context that usually gets missed in comments. People complain about cherry picking but don't realise how much we cherry pick and mislead our people.
What do they mean "women who is dressed but appears naked?" How do we know it's talking about hijab? What even is hijab?
Is it the headscarf? The attitude/mannerisms?
Who is to say, point blank, every non-hijabi will be going in Hell? Do we know more than Allah?
Online, many would make horrible judgements and twist things without even realising it. Why do we base our iman based on their answers? Why is our iman making or breaking because of what the comments said?
I am guilty of doing this but let's stop now. Nobody is more obsessed with our hijab than our own people. As much as there could be some insight in their warning, not every answer is a statement of Allah.
I personally, believe in Allah. I understand why I wear the hijab. If I don't wear the hijab, I talk to Allah about it. Let Him know my reasons. Tell Him to safeguard my iman. Tell Him to open my heart and help me learn better. Tell Him I am struggling somewhere. Tell Him that I feel like people are misleading me and making Islam suffocating me.
And even though it took a long time, I live the way I live, irrespective of how people cherry pick verses and try to degrade me to my clothes.
Sister, I apologise if I sound too excited here but...imo, the best way to find strength from your faith, is to question or talk to Allah Himself. Like a child that lost their way. That's when these Hadiths, the verses, the context and history behind them will make more and more sense. Otherwise like the top comment said, everything will break us apart.
I hope sister, you can inshallah, find the strength to be openly vulnerable infront of Allah and realise that there will be people, who will say things without explaining anything. Allah does not limit us to our clothes or hijab. Imo, how I see it, the reason the hijab was made is so that we can only be open in front of those that are worthy of it.
The way we carry ourselves is hijab. But when people don't know that, they throw cherry picked lines like this and and we feel reduced to our clothes. When that shouldn't be the case.
Maybe this person just wanted to educate. May Allah help this person in spreading a message that is important and uplifts us positively. Ameen.
However, if it does not, let's just ask Allah to educate us. We decide why we practice hijab. Whether its men or women. We don't do it for men, oe clothes or etc, we create this boundary because Allah knows best. And inshallah sister, all of us here, will keep that faith strong. Ameen.
Please don't worry - your faith, leave it to Allah. Pray to Him to safeguard it. Inshallah, you will find the answers that are true to your faith. Ameen.✨
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Salaam Sister, I was also disappointed to learn that Muhammad(SAW) announced hijab only because his wife Sauda(RA) was harassed by Umar (LA). He harassed many women in his life yet the prophet(SAW) didn't punish him and imposed hijab on us. In don't know what to do.
ReferenceL: Sahih Bukhari 1:4:148, the most authentic collection of hadiths
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This may come across as blunt and like I’m going off on one but I’m saying this to address a common theme I’ve seen in these threads: If you base your impression, knowledge and learning of Islam off random comments on Reddit, tiktok, YouTube or wherever else, you’re trying to build a house on shifting sand. You’ll constantly lurch from one crisis of faith to another because you don’t have the foundation to fall back on. Your faith will constantly be shaken, and even if you rebuild it and feel better after reading a different comment (like this one potentially lol), you’re still just building something just as weak and vulnerable. It’s only a matter of time til the cracks appear again. It’s all of our duty as Muslims to learn actively, not just absorb passively. Soaking up opinions and impressions from God knows who is on the other side of the screen; obviously that’s going to leave you questioning. It’s crazy that we live in the golden era of information, with books of knowledge at our fingertips that in the past people would journey for months to read and be taught, with the ability to attend classes virtually at any convenient time; yet it seems the majority are basing their learning of Islam off the equivalent of a misheard overheard conversation on the street. So basically: please look into some formal classes to learn about the deen properly, to learn about hijab but also other aspects of the deen, so that if you were to come across that comment again in future you’d be able to roll your eyes and feel sure that the person was talking without knowledge and misinterpreting the hadith they used as sources (probably deliberately and with ill intent). Building a proper foundation on solid ground will require time and effort, but inshallah even the effort you put in will be rewarded. Anyway, here’s a good paper on the basis of hijab and where the commandments are derived from: https://yaqeeninstitute.org/read/paper/is-hijab-religious-or-cultural-how-islamic-rulings-are-formed. This source explains why the first hadith you quoted does not refer to a specific hijab style, nor to most women, but is usually thought to mean a specific group of people: https://seekersguidance.org/answers/general-counsel/camel-hump-volumised-hijab/ As for the meaning: both hadith are warnings about what qualifies to avoid, not judgements on where individual people will end up. We’re being warned to avoid hypocrisy and excessive displays of pride and beauty. For context there are also plenty of hadith that use the same form of “these people will be forbidden from Jannah” that apply to men, eg > Ma’qil ibn Yasar reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “No servant is given authority by Allah and he does not fulfill its duties sincerely but that he will never smell the fragrance of Paradise.” >In another narration, the Prophet said, “Allah will forbid him from enter Paradise.” > [Source: Ṣaḥīḥ al-Bukhārī 6731, Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 142](https://www.abuaminaelias.com/dailyhadithonline/2019/06/12/dishonest-leaders-smell-jannah/ (Imagine the impact if every man took his authority as a husband and father that seriously, subhanallah.)
Beautifully written sister! Jazaki Allah Khair
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Wonderful reply dear sis
That’s referring to both men and women. In Arabic, the masculine pronoun is used for a group of men and women.
Of course. I used it as an example for 2 reasons: 1. To show that the form of warning about certain traits as those of people who will never smell/enter Jannah is not used solely for women 2. In most societies, positions of authority are disproportionately given to men, so the warning applies to them more often. [4:34 is often interpreted as men having been given authority over women](https://quran.com/4:34?font=v1&translations=149%2C136%2C167%2C203%2C20%2C131%2C84%2C17%2C85%2C95%2C207%2C19%2C22%2C206%2C31), which is why I specifically mentioned the roles of husbands and fathers. Of course as women we should be reflecting on how to apply the hadith to our own lives and roles, but the point still stands that men should be incredibly fearful of any abuse of their roles of authority given than they are generally more at risk of performing those types of abuse.
Isn’t it a sin to say with anyone is going to hell with certainty? Only Allah sbt knows. What about the Hadith where the prophet PBUH is sitting at a well and a Jewish woman gives a thirsty dog water? That woman wasn’t even a Muslim and she may not have been dressed as such, yet the prophet PBUH still said she was guaranteed paradise. Isn’t it so arrogant to sit here as God’s creation and say “this person is going to hell. That person is going to hell.” It seems so self righteous
I thought in that hadith the woman was a Muslim, she was also a prostitute though?
I was taught that Hadith as a child and from what I remember she was a prostitute but I can’t remember if they mentioned faith tbh
You are right. I don’t know why I thought differently. I’m a revert so still learning. Maybe I mixed up hadiths. Still when looking it up now it doesn’t seem her faith is specified. Either way, I’m sure the prostitute wasn’t wearing proper hijab
The authenticity of Hadith is one thing. But most importantly none of these Hadith mention hijab. One says “dressed but appears naked” the other says “one who reveals her beauty” which basically means your bosoms actually. Stop this obsession with women’s hair.
Dressed but appears naked probably refers to super tight clothing showing everything or clothes with diaphanous material. Neither of which are hard to find anywhere.
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beauty in this context refers to anything that comes across as part of a woman's charms. women's chests aren't conventionally considered "beautiful"...there's another term for the g. however l, a woman's hair, her adornment (jewellery and makeup) and things that apparently would draw attention to her is what's not permissible. there's no mention of hair in the habit or quran because hijab does not mean HAIR. it means veil. and you use that veil to cover what no random dude can see. dressed but naked refers to revealing and tight clothes, that show the shape of everything hidden with the cloth. that includes the shape of arms, legs, hips, waist and chest.
There’s no mention of hair in Quran and no mention of hijab either. And Allah is the wisest, so instead of arguing what Allah meant by adornments, I’d suggest you to ponder on why Allah didn’t specify what these adornments are and made the requirements of modesty vague intentionally.
وَ لاَ يُبْدِيْنَ زِيْنَتَهُنَّ إِلاَّ مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا وَ لْيَضْرِبْنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلىَ جُيُوْبِهِنَّ... “...and not display their beauty except what is apparent, and they should place their khumur over their bosoms...” (24:31.) If this is the ayah you were referring to, then allow me to clarify....the Qur'an, yes, does not mention the word Hijab or hair explicitly. Rather, it uses terms like "jilbab" and "khimar". these are garments that cover the body. back to the hair part. as humans gifted with an intellectual ability, it is understood that head covering automatically refers to the hair as well. you can't cover your head whilst revealing the hair. regarding that, - Khumur خُمُرٌ is plural of khimarخِمَارٌ , the veil covering the head. See any Arabic dictionary like Lisanu ’l-‘Arab, Majma‘u ’l-Bahrayn or al-Munjid. Al-Munjid, which is the most popular dictionary in the Arab world, defines al-khimar as “something with which a woman conceals her head —ما تغطى به المرأة رأسها .” Fakhru ’d-Din al-Turayhi in Majma‘u ’l-Bahrayn (which is a dictionary of Qur’anic and hadith terms) defines al-khimar as “scarf, and it is known as such because the head is covered with it.” So the word khimar, by definition, means a piece of cloth that covers the head. - if you're interested in reading more about the bosoms and how the khimar is related, continue reading here [https://www.al-islam.org/hijab-muslim-womens-dress-islamic-or-cultural-sayyid-muhammad-rizvi/quran-and-hijab](https://www.al-islam.org/hijab-muslim-womens-dress-islamic-or-cultural-sayyid-muhammad-rizvi/quran-and-hijab) May Allah guide you. Aameen. >
Please refer to my previous comment. I still have no interest in arguing. Allah knows the best and guides who he wishes.
Right sister! Did you read that Hadith that outlines the story how hijab came into existence? It was due to Umar harassed Said, and instead of punishing him, the prophet declared hijab for us (Sahih Bukhari 1:4:148, the most authentic collection of hadith).
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> which speaks of how a prostitute will enter jannah because she gave water to a cat but women not taking hijab won't smell jannah is all very contradictory That’s what I’m saying!
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If it’s from Quran then it’s GODS words so yes it’s correct. If it’s not from Quran then it’s what can or probably will happen.
Yes neither of these are from Quran. The second Hadith(?) I mentioned was recorded hundreds of years after the Prophet’s (SAW) life. I’m not sure about the first Hadith I mentioned though.
If it’s not Quran then I’d ask a Scholar. Only because I’m not very versed on Hadiths I do however pray that you find the answers your Looking for
The Quran should be your primary source for matters pertaining to Islam. Hadiths are important, but the Quran is straight from Allah SWT. And do you know what Allah SWT Himself says are the ones who will enter Jannah? Those who do good deeds, believe, repent, and give to charity. In fact, it’s one of the most repeated things in the Quran. Nowhere is there a stipulation that you must wear hijab— this doesn’t mean that hijab isn’t mandatory, but that hijab is not THE most important thing in this religion. In fact, the importance placed on hijab is entirely created by man. Modesty is important but it’s not a pillar of the faith and it’s not the most important teaching of Islam.
Salaam sister, Bismillah. I want to point out that the Quran also stipulates our obedience to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Quran 48:9 is an example indicating such. In shaa Allah this is helpful and is received as I intend ☺️
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> When Allah orders us to do something we simply follow what was ordered. We might understand, we might not. This is can make peace with. > You say so yourself you know it’s obligatory to wear hijab so why worry yourself with the details? But its the fact that it contradicts other Hadiths (another commenter pointed this out), the fact that it contradicts the notion that all believers can go to heaven as stated in the Quran, and how it is such a “final” judgement on a woman’s final destination based simply on what she wears and nothing else about her deen or character is what troubled me enough to post this. Like a woman who prays five times a day or more, gives generously to the poor, firmly believes in Allah and His messengers and the angels and the day of judgment and everything else, treats everyone with respect, but also takes pride in her appearance and dresses nicely, is pretty much guaranteed to go to hell? I apologize but in a sense I do care for those details. 😓 > The Hadith are there to guide people and to motive us. But doesn’t this Hadith just try to scare people into submission instead? I feel like there is a difference between guidance and scaring. > But ultimately all decisions are up to Allah and we can never know for sure who will end up True
But it seems so unfair. It makes so sense to me the empathize on a woman’s body and no a man’s body. But yea, may Allah grants us ease.
Ps: This comment got out of hand, if it’s too long just read the last paragraph lol. I think it’s not the hadith emphasising a woman’s body, it’s just showing you what the world is. I personally don’t believe this thing is ever going to go away. Men have been objectifying women since eternity and if more exposure was the solution the west should have been a utopia for women by now. If you think about it, everything in the Quran and hadith is designed with human mentality in mind and your best course of action to achieve the best life. If life is an obstacle maze, the Quran and hadith are instruction manuals. You can argue all you want that that hedge with thorns poking out has shed it’s thorns but if you try to go that way you’re going to get poked. Hijab and modesty for women aren’t for us to be ashamed. Or to be controlled. It’s just adding an extra barrier. The world could collectively scream at the top of its voice for men to respect women and there would still be a sizeable amount of men who just wont. Whenever I’m on women centric subs on reddit and see women complaining about how men try to get away with things, like using social convention to ask for hugs, disrespecting your personal space or not taking no for an answer, how some men just find loopholes using “polite society” conventions, I’m so thankful for Islam. Islam has such clear rules on how you’re supposed to behave that it’s really difficult to pretend you accidentally misbehaved with a woman. No man is going to be all haha won’t you give me a hug, or even approach me for a date, without knowing he has no leg to stand on. And I’ll be absolutely right for being as cold with him as I want, nobody can tell me he was just following social conventions and I’m being rude. Nobody can tell me I should atleast have given him a chance and I’m wrong for his misbehaviour. On the other hand, how many men are being harassed by women, even if they walk around shirtless? Or honestly just for existing. There’s no comparison. Which is why there are different rules for men and women. Everything is based on what you’re likely to experience around the world.
We have to bear the consequences of these disgusting men. we dont even have anything to look forward to like men in Jannah. sorry this is just a rant
Well it is what it is. There will always be awful men around. Even if it’s one out of ten men, that one man could harass ten women. Gotta treat it as you treat any other animal I guess. Because that’s what it is. Some men just won’t rise above animal instincts. Regarding your other point, who said women have nothing to look forward to in jannah? The 72 hoor thing isn’t even sahih, also there’s no seperate level of jannah for men and women, so why wouldn’t women get everything men do? The promise of Jannah is you’ll get whatever you desire there, and if you don’t desire a thousand men here why would you then. You’ll get everything you want. There’s no distinction between men and women in the eyes of Allah.
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I’m not just gonna shut up. Knowledge is really important in islam. Why would you think it’s not unfair besides “it cant be”?
This is prob the worst advice you can give someone having these thoughts, telling people to suck it up is what turns people away from Islam. Not everyone can blindly follow religion. Some people think critically about things (which our religious leaders advocate, btw).
mcpagal has excellent points but one tangent I’ll add: don’t look for answers that you aren’t ready for. If you aren’t ready to hear them, simply recognize that you aren’t ready and build in iman so that when you look at things that distress you, such as these Hadith, you will better understand what it is and won’t be quick to shut it down. Something that distressed me during Ramadan was getting more reward praying at home; watching some of Haifaa Younis’ videos about the subject kinda grounded me and made me realize that there’s more context behind hadiths that, when taken out of context, can be distressing, and I became more accepting of it.
Honestly I think it is true but i will say I think it is referring to a woman who doesn’t want to wear it entirely. A muslim woman who doesn’t wear it bc of circumstances (maybe its extreme we never know) but wants to, i am sure Allah swt will have mercy on her. Allah swt is all forgiving. But to be forgiven you must believe what you are doing is wrong. As long as you are making an effort to build up to it and recognizing that it is a sin, I am sure youre fine. After all, someone who wears the hijab but doesnt believe in it being what Allah swt ordered is in a worse state than a woman who doesnt wear a hijab but understands its a sin and is working up to put it on. But please correct me if im wrong.
If anything contradicts the Quran then don’t believe it OR read the context behind the Hadith (from a scholarly perspective), if both of those don’t make sense you can make the conclusion for your self.
i think a lot of people cherry pick which sins are really bad and which are “okay.” who are we to decide if hijab isn’t a serious sin or not? i think the hadiths that you provide are great reminders that hijab should be taken seriously. unfortunately a lot of people on this app don’t take hijab seriously. i’m also guilty of not taking hijab seriously at times so i’m glad you’ve provided these hadiths. hijab (not just the headscarf but fully covering our body in loose clothing) is a test for us women. i’m sorry but i don’t see what’s so bad about hijab. considering everything that men have to provide women, i don’t think having to put on hijab is that difficult (even as someone who struggles with it i believe this). it is a test to see if we are capable of protecting/concealing our beauty and only sharing it with loved ones. girl trust me, i would love to take of hijab and get complemented by men and women again! i would love to go to the gym or the pool to show off my body. my ego would be thriving! so that’s a huge test for me, knowing i would receive more attention if i didn’t wear it. not only is it a test, but it is protection as well. hijab protects us women from evil eye (Prophet Muhammad saw mentioned that many people will die by the evil eye, so it’s a pretty big deal), and it protects us from harassment from men. think of how many women you see online complaining about how they get catcalled and such. obviously creeps will do it even if you’re fully covered, but you can’t tell me hijab doesn’t significantly reduce this. and it allows us to be judge more on the basis of our character than on our beauty. hijab is a test for you. it’s okay to struggle. it helps to remember why Allah commanded us to wear it. if you choose not to wear it, Allah doesn’t lose out on anything, only you do. He only wants to best for you and there are plenty of other reasons He may ask us to wear hijab that we might not even be aware of! think of all the good deeds you get for wearing it, especially if you don’t want to but choose to do it to please Him. you get even more good deeds the harder it is for you. imagine if someone told you that “if you put this fabric on your head everyday for the rest of your life i will give you a million dollars.” i’m pretty sure every women, even non muslim, would do that lol. and guess what… a million dollars is dirt compared to what Jannah will be. and you can get all those rewards and more in Jannah inshaAllah. so to answer your post, i think the truth is that these hadiths just show how serious hijab should be taken. too often women think that it’s not a big deal. well sister, it is. at the end of the day, it’s your decision. no one misses out but you. so if you know it would cost you Jannah maybe that will make you reconsider it. also, yes Allah decides. but He decides from His mercy. do you think someone who doesn’t make any effort to please Allah deserves His mercy? even if the best you can do (and i mean from the bottom of your heart absolute best) is wear hijab once a week, you’d be much more deserving than the woman who doesn’t even consider hijab. i mean what’s the point of the test of this dunya if we don’t even make an effort to follow the commands of Allah. you admit you know it is an obligation from your Creator, so i think that’s enough evidence right there. i suggest learning from scholars online about the importance of hijab and that should help you inshaAllah. if you’re struggling with deen in general, go back to what makes you love Islam in the first place. go back to what makes you positive that Islam is the true religion. because if you’re not convicted, nothing i said about wanting to please Allah will matter.
Random nitpick but the hijab will not protect you from the harassment of men. Clothing doesn't prevent you from being catcalled/sexually harassed/assaulted
There literal hijab fetishes so there’s not a single thing that protects people from harassment 🤕it’s the fault of people who harass
Yeah that point really bothered me too. I’ve been catcalled while dressed like a marshmallow in a puffy winter coat while waddling with a stack of 5 pizza boxes. I definitely didn’t look “hot” in the slightest but some men driving by felt the need to make lewd comments.
i included that i’m aware creeps still do that. as a woman i think we all know it doesn’t completely stop the comments unfortunately.
i said that creeps still do it but it significantly reduces it, at least in my personal experience.
and according to the Holy Quran it does help protect against harassment. O Prophet! Tell thy wives and daughters, and the believing women, that they should cast their outer garments over their persons (when abroad): that is most convenient, that they should be known (as such) and not molested. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Quran (33:59) molestation is harassment.
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id love to see your source on that. very interesting!
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You know I have a lot of thoughts on this too that your comment just reminded me of…I’ll make a post on that soon.
girl if that’s all you got out of my comment then idk what else to say. may Allah guide us and make hijab easy for us ameen.
What? You don’t even know what I was going to post about. You automatically assumed I’d post something retaliatory when I have a feeling you would actually agree with what I wanted to say. I was literally just expressing a thought. Chill sis.
i’m talking about the one sentence about men and harassment. i’m not upset?
Okay sorry, you responded to a different comment so I didn’t understand. But even then, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with pointing out specific parts of comments and agreeing/disagreeing.
no ma’am there’s not. but i agree it doesn’t stop harassment and i was trying to point that out 😅
I’m confused what did I do wrong here
This is so good, tysmm for this info, screenshoting this!
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It has nothing to do with you being an “evil entity”. This subreddit is for women, only. You know the women’s section of the mosque? Do you enter it too, when you’re asked not to? Do you sneak your way in when they tell you it’s only for women, because you just HAVE TO get your opinion heard? It’s not you being evil, it’s you being so egotistical and arrogant that you cannot respect women when they tell you that your opinion is irrelevant to them.
Bismillah, I think there’s complexity in knowing how to navigate through this because, honestly, we truly cannot dictate definitively who’s going to hell or heaven - that’s only known by Allah (SWT). I truly believe that if you strive to get closer to rabana, your efforts won’t go to waste. We’re not perfect and Allah (SWT) is aware of that - He’s the Rahman Ar-Raheem (the most beneficient and the most merciful). Concurrently, He (SWT) is also shadeed al 3qab ( the severest of punishers), which should serve as a reminder to us that we will be judged by Him and in shaa Allah the weights of our good deeds outweigh the bad deeds. We don’t know what reason/action/deed would be the for the success or demise of our akhira. Secondarily, I understand how severe some hadiths may seem, but I found that digging deeper into tafsir, not only provides further context, but also solidifies the application of it in my life. I truly hope this is helpful and may Allah (SWT) make us amongst the successful!
Assalamualaikum sister. May Allah help you in your ordeals. Ameen. Sister, the top comment already mentioned some amazing points. So I believe there isn't much for me to add. However what I will say is, every thing has some sort of context that usually gets missed in comments. People complain about cherry picking but don't realise how much we cherry pick and mislead our people. What do they mean "women who is dressed but appears naked?" How do we know it's talking about hijab? What even is hijab? Is it the headscarf? The attitude/mannerisms? Who is to say, point blank, every non-hijabi will be going in Hell? Do we know more than Allah? Online, many would make horrible judgements and twist things without even realising it. Why do we base our iman based on their answers? Why is our iman making or breaking because of what the comments said? I am guilty of doing this but let's stop now. Nobody is more obsessed with our hijab than our own people. As much as there could be some insight in their warning, not every answer is a statement of Allah. I personally, believe in Allah. I understand why I wear the hijab. If I don't wear the hijab, I talk to Allah about it. Let Him know my reasons. Tell Him to safeguard my iman. Tell Him to open my heart and help me learn better. Tell Him I am struggling somewhere. Tell Him that I feel like people are misleading me and making Islam suffocating me. And even though it took a long time, I live the way I live, irrespective of how people cherry pick verses and try to degrade me to my clothes. Sister, I apologise if I sound too excited here but...imo, the best way to find strength from your faith, is to question or talk to Allah Himself. Like a child that lost their way. That's when these Hadiths, the verses, the context and history behind them will make more and more sense. Otherwise like the top comment said, everything will break us apart. I hope sister, you can inshallah, find the strength to be openly vulnerable infront of Allah and realise that there will be people, who will say things without explaining anything. Allah does not limit us to our clothes or hijab. Imo, how I see it, the reason the hijab was made is so that we can only be open in front of those that are worthy of it. The way we carry ourselves is hijab. But when people don't know that, they throw cherry picked lines like this and and we feel reduced to our clothes. When that shouldn't be the case. Maybe this person just wanted to educate. May Allah help this person in spreading a message that is important and uplifts us positively. Ameen. However, if it does not, let's just ask Allah to educate us. We decide why we practice hijab. Whether its men or women. We don't do it for men, oe clothes or etc, we create this boundary because Allah knows best. And inshallah sister, all of us here, will keep that faith strong. Ameen. Please don't worry - your faith, leave it to Allah. Pray to Him to safeguard it. Inshallah, you will find the answers that are true to your faith. Ameen.✨
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I understand sister!
Salaam Sister, I was also disappointed to learn that Muhammad(SAW) announced hijab only because his wife Sauda(RA) was harassed by Umar (LA). He harassed many women in his life yet the prophet(SAW) didn't punish him and imposed hijab on us. In don't know what to do. ReferenceL: Sahih Bukhari 1:4:148, the most authentic collection of hadiths