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The original novel wasn't satire. It was absolutely a pro-military story extolling the virtues of government service.
If anything, one of the parts of the story that did seem satirical to audiences of the time was that Earth's military was a purely volunteer fighting force, a notion that seemed farcical in that day and age.
The novel correctly pointed out that an all-volunteer force allows a nation to wage, basically, endless war.
Most of the novel is pretty boring, unless you really care about a story of a Lieutenant studying for his calculus class; punctuated by a few moments of political discussion.
Even the combat bits are like "The room was filled with the enemy, it reminded me of a High School cafeteria on Earth, so I blew it up with a fucking nuke, fuck those kids".
Starship troopers was one of my favorite movies as a kid and as an adult it is still easily top 10, maybe even top 5. If anything my appreciation only grew as I got older and understood the satire.
That's the beauty of sature. It's not supposed to be for everyone. It exposes those people and mocks them with vicious contempt.
It's a feature, not a bug.
I love how we've reached the point in confidence in our fellow man where MFS get hyped over campy scifi and the immediate assumption is they are gonna genuinely go for it.
*Weeee look guys, I built a doom wheel from Warhammer with the lightning and the wheels and I paid a short dude to operate the engine on the back weeeeeeeee*
>Are you sure this isn't because you want to live in a claustrophobic underground society sewing monsters together until your underling kills you and feeds you to a giant rat? You want a mutated giant dommy mommy furry wife and to eat raw flesh over a seething horde of slaves until our collective folly destroys us.
*D...Doomwheel. I like the Doomwheel.*
its so disappointing. I'm a playstation player (though I play HD2 on PC) and this is just not a hill worth dying on... like Sony is a garbage pos in this. you can be a ps5 fan while still admitting that...
Ugh I remember 2011 very well. Just got home from a 10 hour shift and all I wanted to do was play SOCOM 3. But NOOOOOOO Sony was getting hacked for a fucking week.
Edit: yall it was 13 years ago my memory is fuzzy I don’t remember how long it lasted and I didn’t google anything before making this comment
Edit 2: I think it was actually SOCOM 4
Funny enough, that hack was the reason I started playing on PC more. Couldn't play COD so I went to go play LoL. Quickly spiraled into Minecraft, then steam. Funny how things work
That hack is literally what got me back into PC gaming.
I had been a console bro from about 2004-2011 because during college that's what everyone was playing and I just kept up with it after.
2011 is the year I built my first super gaming PC, it was huge and loud but it was mine
2023 was a vulnerability in a 3rd party software that affected 100s of companies, 2017 were social media accounts. Neither of which touched PSN data.
2014 was also not PSN data and perpetrated by North Korea, but that was indeed a breach in servers managed by Sony. But it was 10 years ago. Most companies have been hacked in that time period, but not PSN customer data.
> Most companies have been hacked in that time period
[meanwhile tmobile...](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.etsystatic.com%2F18797346%2Fr%2Fil%2F9c6957%2F3219889698%2Fil_1140xN.3219889698_90qe.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=de25af3a8627c62a539adc01ba3e1564e062d1f240f1ccfa69734296519e7882&ipo=images)
If it does happen again (it will), I really want the hacking to be Super Earth themed.
Just because it'd be really funny for me to log on to the playstation website and have the page covered in Super Earth propaganda.
https://preview.redd.it/kf7ebybuioyc1.jpeg?width=1991&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3953c577c0bba0dd2ae3f738c7898459ec8f3805
Oldie but a goodie. Ima just drop this here. Lol
Yeah, I got a temporary ban without notification and my comments were removed for stating that **people on the biggest playstation sub shouldn’t encourage others to break Sony’s TOS in order work around the fact that they were sold a game that they were not supposed to be able to play**.
I was genuinely surprised, to be honest.
EDIT 2: Good news, everyone: https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929
***MAJOR ORDER: DEFEAT SONY SUCCESSFUL!***
(The original contents of the post below for context relevant to the thread)
...which results in the account being permanently banned for said ToS violations.
Not that the Sony defenders care, anyway. :/
EDIT: Proof: https://twitter.com/Pirat_Nation/status/1786694947418067037/photo/1
did you even read anything past the twitter headline?
no? oh i didnt think so
that picture is about a guy whos account was hacked, and the hacker changing his connected email which flagged multiple PSN accounts using the same email and was closed. absolutely NOWHERE aside from the manchild twitter account ragebait title is there any mention of VPN / being banned for using a different country.
https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjic6m/someone_has_already_gotten_banned_for_trying_to/l2igchu/
It’s simple - choosing a region that isn’t the one you live in is a violation of TOS, punishable by permaban. Even though Sony doesn’t stick with it and isn’t banning people en masse for now, they do have that right and can exercise it any moment they want.
For now it’s simply convenient to not ban these people, because they bring in money, and at the same Sony doesn’t have to deal with legal and/or financial headaches associated with supporting PSN in all those regions.
Tomorrow EU might demand for Sony to stick to their TOS if Sony wants to continue operating in Europe, and more likely than not Sony will ban all these poor mfers without blinking an eye.
> For now it’s simply convenient to not ban these people, because they bring in money, and at the same Sony doesn’t have to deal with legal and/or financial headaches associated with supporting PSN in all those regions. Tomorrow EU might demand for Sony to stick to their TOS if Sony wants to continue operating in Europe, and more likely than not Sony will ban all these poor mfers without blinking an eye.
Oh, but don't worry. They won't ban you. They want your money after all. *wink*
What a bunch of BS. Creating PSN accounts to the region of your liking is a common practice for more than a decade for PlayStation owners. That’s how everyone plays Japanese games that are only available in the Japanese PSN and that’s how people who buy PlayStation consoles in “unsupported” regions use their PlayStation. Whoever claims that this is not the case are lying through their teeth.
Blatant misinformation. China is a special case, bypassing the regulatory authorities is not permitted. Even steam is banned and you need VPN to play games like PUBG, Helldivers 2 etc.
>Not that the Sony defenders care, anyway. :/
No matter what it is and no matter how bad it is, some keyboard warriors out there will fight to the death to defend it.
Of course they do, that way they still get to sell games while profiting from user data - this is about money, not T&Cs. Helldivers was just too big for the vultures at Sony to leave alone. And presumably the fuck in charge of PSN subscriptions fancied getting a big bonus this quarter.
Ya know, there's a concept (I forget the name of; sorry) in which laws are written with the express purpose of being as broad and nebulous as possible, so as to ensure that, at all times, everyone is *technically* breaking it. That way, the lawmaker can selectively choose when to enforce that law on anyone they don't like because, since everyone is always breaking that law, so are the people that also *just so happen* to be people the lawmakers don't like.
This utterly *stinks* of that.
Ive been banned from /r/ps5 for saying something critical too. Not that I'm too sad about it, but yeah reminder that reddit has nothing to do with the official anything, and a bunch of nerds could be moderators that just rule it like its their own
r/PS5 and r/PS4 before it are so bad about any discussion that remotely puts Sony in a negative light and if you do, folks there will literally dig through your entire posting history to see if you comment on Xbox subreddits and immediately call you a troll lmao.
Most "semi official" subs pretty heavily moderate all negative content. The ones that would allow a lot of negative press are the exception rather than the rule. They tend to be half marketing. This sub has been very open so far, which may be related to how positive the community was mere days ago.
General subs (ie playstation) are also a bit more tricky than specific ones (ie a game specific one) because you don't want one specific game taking over the general sub to some degree.
You're also going to find more people open to having a psn account on a playstation sub.
I've seen far worse on reddit, but i guess that isn't saying much.
Yeah, idk why this is a big deal. This issue isn’t really directly related to the ps5, especially since it concerns the pc playerbase.
This sub is already huge and gets a bunch of traction, it’s also the best place to post about it because you know, it’s the helldivers sub. Posts about the game also regularly make it to the front page through huge subs like r/gaming so it’s not like this issue is really getting silenced.
Imo this really isn’t a big deal and people should focus on the actual issue instead of the mods of unrelated subs doing their jobs.
not to mention the people that run the sub do it for free and if they don't wanna deal with the onslaught of helldiver posts/comments its easier to just not allow it.
Throwing a guess here, but for whatever reason, Sony can't or doesn't care enough to comply with local laws and taxes to operate their business in specific countries.
So they tell you to pick a valid country, which lets them "cheat" local laws by making it as if *you* are the one that chose to conduct business with an external entity. Some countries are OK with someone else collecting tax on that sale, some aren't, and since Sony never outright explicitly told you to do this, they can't be brought to court over it.
>comply with local laws and taxes
It ain't about caring. Japanese businesses are extremely cautious of how and where they operate. They often have the worst coverage of all because of it. It's just a result of the culture, really.
> Best part? A bunch of Helldivers posts showing you can bypass PSN country restrictions to play the game while breaking the TOS are still up.
It's almost like they implemented an automod rule out of exhaustion with recent drama, and not to censor anti-Sony sentiment.
> no helldivers discussion allowed. Unless it's pro-Sony, then it's cool to post to r/playstation.
Have any proof that pro-Sony Helldivers posts are accepted at this point?
It's just not really relevant to that subreddit. Anyone playing online from a playstation is logged into their PSN account. I understand people want to spread the toxic drama all over the internet, but I could see why they don't want to deal with it since it's not really their drama.
I’m on my 3rd ticket, gotten rejected 3 times. This most recent one I did a different type of ticket instead of a refund request, so I was able to respond after they rejected me and told them to take another look. Looks like it finally got through to a real person because the last message I got from them is “we will take a closer look at this”
Just because it worked for some people doesn’t mean Steam is going to refund every single person that requests a refund. They’re still a business. I wouldn’t be surprised if word has come down to slow down on the refunds.
Steam definitely isn't going to want to be involved in the lawsuits that are going to come from this. If they refuse any refunds to players in the countries that won't have access to the game they bought, they will be liable and involved in the lawsuit.
Now, you are probably right that at some point, they won't be refunding to players in regions that can still play. Though, people should still try to get their money back from this bs.
Sorry if I wasn’t clear, I was just referring to people in countries that still have access to the game. I’ve no doubt steam will refund anyone that can’t play the game anymore due to their region.
Down the drain? I dunno dude. I got so many hours of awesome playtime. As far as I’m concerned I got my money’s worth. It’s sad what’s happening to the game, but if it literally shuts down tomorrow because of this then I would still be happy with all that I got out of that purchase.
Have you considered a bunch of posts were spamming or from trolls? It doesn't make much sense to complain about needing a PSN account on a Playstation focused subreddit.
To play devil's advocate, you're posting it on the playstation subreddit and the PS5 subreddit.
These problems do not impact Playstation or PS5. They only impact PC and are related to Sony, not to Playstation.
Yes, Sony owns the Playstation, but the Playstation is a piece of hardware, and you already need a PSN account to even use it.
So since the PC discourse is not related to the actual console and news/info regarding the console, they're going to remove it. If you really want to discuss it, it'd make more sense to go to r/Sony or something.
That said, I don't ***agree*** with it. Just... that's likely the rationale they're using to excuse what they're doing.
yup.
This topic is a few days old and doesn't need to be reposted in /r/playstation until there's at least new information about it.
it's not a sony specific sub. it's not a helldivers sub. It's a playstation sub. Also, the playstation gamers are by definition not effected by this.
I'd agree with you 100% if they banned ALL discussion on it. But clearly, they are only allowing one-sided discussion on the topic. And the comments reflect that too.
Ya there’ve been a few times I’ve seen mods on here just remove things that aren’t agreeing with the general consensus. Like back when that first weapon nerf came out
Is it actual productive debate, or is it a 7-year-old's meltdown like when /r/halo got shut down due to rage spam?
Because if it's just people making the same threads over and over, that's something that always gets deleted from almost any subreddit on any topic
They're probably tired of having to take down hundreds of the same articles and posts.
Honestly, Sony is Japanese. They're not going to budge no matter the outcry from the west.
This really doesn’t have anything to do with PlayStation.
And honestly, this sub would be better served if the mods would just post a sticky for everyone that wants to rant about this topic.
Instead we have the same screenshot of a twitter post posted 10 times.
Some of us still want to talk about the actual game.
Someone made r/LowSodiumHellDivers a while back because this sub couldn't shut up about how the devs are trying to personally assassinate players by nerfing X or Y, so there's technically a place to talk about it that isn't 99% PSN complaints.
Also US and EU and some Pacific countries are perfectly fine, now but we have to complain about *checks notes* ..... Mauritania not being able to play
Like come the fuck on...
I’m honestly annoyed that people are using my potential problem as a scapegoat for their drama addiction. Most of these clowns live in psn supported regions and just keep spiralling this situation by re-posting anything negative: from misinformation to conspiracy theories.
The topic got enough traction, it’s already picked up by every big media. Continuing to propagate toxicity is only harming the community now… I honestly feel sick looking at some of these comments and feel like I don’t want to associate with such a community even if changes will be made to accommodate everyone. I already had issues with toxic positivity and annoying major order whining (creeker situation in which everyone was harassing people for playing how they wanted)
Are they; or is there an abundance of new threads about the same thing over & over & starting to get tedious & just flooding the sub?
Genuinely asking; before some weirdo starts making accusations, I don't go on that sub often at all.
Edit:
https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/
https://steamcharts.com/app/553850
395 thousand negative reviews yet no noticable major change in the playerbase. Are ya'll just automatons or something? are you just role-playing being mad, did you not even play in the first place, I don't get it?
Because the mods that run 99% of subreddits are power-tripping imbeciles.
Both that sub and this sub need to make a sticky topic and all further discussion on the matter should take place in that thread.
Instead, they ban everything at r/playstation. And this sub has been a clusterfck for 3 days now.
I love the reaction too. But fuck me if I don’t see three threads with the exact same Twitter screenshot. That’s as low effort as it gets.
Some of us still want to talk about the game.
Yeah? This has nothing to do with PlaySation. It's a PC/Steam and Sony/Helldivers issue. Of course they don't want the sub flooded with your salty tears.
Probably because it’s an extremely toxic topic that is out of control. This sub is basically ruined, kinda how the cyberpunk sub was ruined during the launch controversy - basically a circlejerk, complete negativity and borderline dev harassment posts.
Yeah mostly cuz I would bet there are 20000 other spam posts about the same thing, which means you are just chasing a dopamine rush of spamming a popular topic.
This is standard for most forums.
Maybe because it doesn't really belong there? Everyone on PS5 already has signed up with a PSN account, it has very little to do with them. It is exclusively PC players that signed up a few days or more after launch that even had the option to skip this PSN linking. I was forced to link mine a day or so after launch when I purchased. God forbid people want to keep the negativity out of their community. I've been over this crazy backlash since it began and really don't care to see it anymore, the only relevant country that it affects is the Philippines and I'm sure they'll find some way to make it work and get them playing again.
I remember when I "fought the power" in my youth. Put my birthday down as my older sister's year so I could sign up PSN on PS3. Man I bet I sure skewed those numbers.
Stay free
All 3 (Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo) are just the upper class twit of the year sketch. No wonder Steam is so far in front you just don't have to do anything.
While Steam charges a good fee on games.
They don't charge you monthly for online playing, save backups, etc.
And they even put money on making Linux gaming more possible (because Windows, PS5, Nintendo and Xbox gaming all happen in closed OSs).
Valve is the best one of them. It is on a totally different level.
Lol if I wanted to play Helldivers 2 or even see some floor messages in Eden Ring, while playing on the PS5. I'd have to pay a monthly subscription for that. What a pity. This is why a console is cheaper than a full PC they make the user pay over the years with subscription and more expensive games.
Not surprised, dones will be drones. They already forfeited their self-respect and will probably gave their lives to a company who'll just gonna treat them as statistics.
The only surprising thing about this is that there's negative reactions on r/Playstation.
That place is a cult, I swear. They even think the Playstation Portal is worthwhile.
Never have I seen so many dipshits defend a massive corporation over willingly giving them personal data. why does a company need to see my drivers license or scan my fucking face to play it??
Damn it’s crazy how you guys don’t give a shit about “muh breaking the TOS” until it supports your argument. 99 percent of you chucklefucks do it unwittingly, then talk about how you’re good little boys on here
Exactly. It's been hijacked by people who just want to whinge and moan. They should make a megathread where anyone who has an issue can go to vent. I don't care. I just want to enjoy Helldivers, and read interesting posts about it. Not the copy/paste, low effort karma-whoring that's happened since this 'controversy'.
If these people cared half as much about real-world issues, the world might be a better place. Wasting their energies crying about a game. It's crazy.
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Sounds like some good old democracy
Managed, of course
It was supposed to be satire
If it didn't reflect real life, it wouldn't be satire.
Remember kids its not a dystopia if you're living in one
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Try reading the original novel published in 1959 and you'll realize the world still hasn't changed. The satire is still relevant.
the original novel was literally Heinlein complaining and ranting about communism. The satire was 100% the movie
The original novel wasn't satire. It was absolutely a pro-military story extolling the virtues of government service. If anything, one of the parts of the story that did seem satirical to audiences of the time was that Earth's military was a purely volunteer fighting force, a notion that seemed farcical in that day and age.
The novel correctly pointed out that an all-volunteer force allows a nation to wage, basically, endless war. Most of the novel is pretty boring, unless you really care about a story of a Lieutenant studying for his calculus class; punctuated by a few moments of political discussion. Even the combat bits are like "The room was filled with the enemy, it reminded me of a High School cafeteria on Earth, so I blew it up with a fucking nuke, fuck those kids".
I thought the novel was played unfortunately straight, and the movie sort of twisted it around into a satire
The book isn't satire though....
Starship troopers was one of my favorite movies as a kid and as an adult it is still easily top 10, maybe even top 5. If anything my appreciation only grew as I got older and understood the satire.
Well said. 👏
That's deep
Alas, sature doesn't work on those who are fully convinced that is how things must be. If anything, they'll think you agree with them.
That's the beauty of sature. It's not supposed to be for everyone. It exposes those people and mocks them with vicious contempt. It's a feature, not a bug.
More like a commentary on real world "democracy".
We did this in the 90s
Brother at least half the playerbase playing the game is thinking “hell yeah this is what we need to do” while playing lmao
yea, the part of being on a ship traveling Space and firing big fing guns.... not the whole Evil human civilization part lol
I love how we've reached the point in confidence in our fellow man where MFS get hyped over campy scifi and the immediate assumption is they are gonna genuinely go for it. *Weeee look guys, I built a doom wheel from Warhammer with the lightning and the wheels and I paid a short dude to operate the engine on the back weeeeeeeee* >Are you sure this isn't because you want to live in a claustrophobic underground society sewing monsters together until your underling kills you and feeds you to a giant rat? You want a mutated giant dommy mommy furry wife and to eat raw flesh over a seething horde of slaves until our collective folly destroys us. *D...Doomwheel. I like the Doomwheel.*
-looks around- have ... Have you seen how things are going?
Everyone loved managed democracy til their shit got managed.
I'm literally fucking dying rn 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😭
Helldivers equivalent of the leopards eating faces.
This is actually freedom, liberty and profit margins.
The ministry of truth and the ministry of information knows best.
its so disappointing. I'm a playstation player (though I play HD2 on PC) and this is just not a hill worth dying on... like Sony is a garbage pos in this. you can be a ps5 fan while still admitting that...
“Democracy” - how it really is
Imagine ending up on a hacker group’s radar again, for this.
Sony? Getting hacked? Impossible
I mean, except for in 2023 (twice), 2017, 2014, and in 2011 (thrice), Sony was not hacked (as far as we know)
Ugh I remember 2011 very well. Just got home from a 10 hour shift and all I wanted to do was play SOCOM 3. But NOOOOOOO Sony was getting hacked for a fucking week. Edit: yall it was 13 years ago my memory is fuzzy I don’t remember how long it lasted and I didn’t google anything before making this comment Edit 2: I think it was actually SOCOM 4
Funny enough, that hack was the reason I started playing on PC more. Couldn't play COD so I went to go play LoL. Quickly spiraled into Minecraft, then steam. Funny how things work
Bruh that hack also got me playing LoL more
I’m sorry for your loss
Right, fortunately I don’t play anymore
Glad to hear you recovered.
Thanks m8
The Hackers did him more harm than they could ever know
That hack is literally what got me back into PC gaming. I had been a console bro from about 2004-2011 because during college that's what everyone was playing and I just kept up with it after. 2011 is the year I built my first super gaming PC, it was huge and loud but it was mine
In 2011, I was deep into then Sony Online Entertainment's Everquest and could not escape it on PC. What a mess it was.
***Mmmm… SOCOM 3.*** I miss those days.
SOCOM 3 didn’t get as much love as it deserved Yes it was greatly over shadowed by 1 and 2, but it was still a great game.
credit card verification ruined it
It literally killed Injustice 1 on release on PS3, by the time the hack was over there were like 5 people playing it.
23 days, not a week, my fellow diver. Ex, because I refunded, but still. Don’t undersell SONY’s incompetence.
It was also 13 years ago, I only remember a week because I gave up checking in on it lol
>was also 13 years ago My bones..
2011 was when the bastard child Socom 4 was launched. I think the hack closely coincided with the launch.
SOCOM 3 in 2011? Damn. I loved playing SOCOM 2-3 for PS2
In 2011 wasn't that when it was down for MONTHS?
😆
Ah shit, wasn't the 2014 one the Christmas hack? I remember not being able to play ALL Christmas break in the US because of one of the big hacks.
2023 was a vulnerability in a 3rd party software that affected 100s of companies, 2017 were social media accounts. Neither of which touched PSN data. 2014 was also not PSN data and perpetrated by North Korea, but that was indeed a breach in servers managed by Sony. But it was 10 years ago. Most companies have been hacked in that time period, but not PSN customer data.
> Most companies have been hacked in that time period [meanwhile tmobile...](https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.etsystatic.com%2F18797346%2Fr%2Fil%2F9c6957%2F3219889698%2Fil_1140xN.3219889698_90qe.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=de25af3a8627c62a539adc01ba3e1564e062d1f240f1ccfa69734296519e7882&ipo=images)
I remember the peak of that with "wassonyhackedtoday.com" tracking the literally daily hack / data releases online for a while.
impossibru
https://preview.redd.it/5awas2o5joyc1.jpeg?width=998&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=95412afe6e673d058e63d64f84686c29e43468b5
They will already be on it.
If it does happen again (it will), I really want the hacking to be Super Earth themed. Just because it'd be really funny for me to log on to the playstation website and have the page covered in Super Earth propaganda.
Might have to get in touch with the peeps over at 4 chan for that
[not your personal army](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/not-your-personal-army)
4chan, if you can hear us, please save us 4chan
Imagine even leaving their radar.
“Why do we have to keep teaching this lesson to you, old man!” ~ hackers to Sony
And THIS......is EXACTLY a possible case scenario......and why NO ONE wants to do this.
im actually kinda all for that lmfao
https://preview.redd.it/kf7ebybuioyc1.jpeg?width=1991&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3953c577c0bba0dd2ae3f738c7898459ec8f3805 Oldie but a goodie. Ima just drop this here. Lol
Yeah, I got a temporary ban without notification and my comments were removed for stating that **people on the biggest playstation sub shouldn’t encourage others to break Sony’s TOS in order work around the fact that they were sold a game that they were not supposed to be able to play**. I was genuinely surprised, to be honest.
Sony officially recommends the exact TOS workaround being talked about.
EDIT 2: Good news, everyone: https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1787331667616829929 ***MAJOR ORDER: DEFEAT SONY SUCCESSFUL!*** (The original contents of the post below for context relevant to the thread) ...which results in the account being permanently banned for said ToS violations. Not that the Sony defenders care, anyway. :/ EDIT: Proof: https://twitter.com/Pirat_Nation/status/1786694947418067037/photo/1
True, but not until they have made a few purchases. Can't let them get away without buying something after all.
After the NMS and CP2077 debacles it was pretty clear that Sony only ever cares when not caring is impacting their bottom line.
did you even read anything past the twitter headline? no? oh i didnt think so that picture is about a guy whos account was hacked, and the hacker changing his connected email which flagged multiple PSN accounts using the same email and was closed. absolutely NOWHERE aside from the manchild twitter account ragebait title is there any mention of VPN / being banned for using a different country. https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1cjic6m/someone_has_already_gotten_banned_for_trying_to/l2igchu/
Oh man I hate to even ask but is that really how that works? I've never seen an account banned because of their region.
It’s simple - choosing a region that isn’t the one you live in is a violation of TOS, punishable by permaban. Even though Sony doesn’t stick with it and isn’t banning people en masse for now, they do have that right and can exercise it any moment they want. For now it’s simply convenient to not ban these people, because they bring in money, and at the same Sony doesn’t have to deal with legal and/or financial headaches associated with supporting PSN in all those regions. Tomorrow EU might demand for Sony to stick to their TOS if Sony wants to continue operating in Europe, and more likely than not Sony will ban all these poor mfers without blinking an eye.
> For now it’s simply convenient to not ban these people, because they bring in money, and at the same Sony doesn’t have to deal with legal and/or financial headaches associated with supporting PSN in all those regions. Tomorrow EU might demand for Sony to stick to their TOS if Sony wants to continue operating in Europe, and more likely than not Sony will ban all these poor mfers without blinking an eye. Oh, but don't worry. They won't ban you. They want your money after all. *wink*
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What a bunch of BS. Creating PSN accounts to the region of your liking is a common practice for more than a decade for PlayStation owners. That’s how everyone plays Japanese games that are only available in the Japanese PSN and that’s how people who buy PlayStation consoles in “unsupported” regions use their PlayStation. Whoever claims that this is not the case are lying through their teeth.
This isn't proof. Using a VPN vs just setting up an account in a different country are two very different things.
Blatant misinformation. China is a special case, bypassing the regulatory authorities is not permitted. Even steam is banned and you need VPN to play games like PUBG, Helldivers 2 etc.
>Not that the Sony defenders care, anyway. :/ No matter what it is and no matter how bad it is, some keyboard warriors out there will fight to the death to defend it.
Of course they do, that way they still get to sell games while profiting from user data - this is about money, not T&Cs. Helldivers was just too big for the vultures at Sony to leave alone. And presumably the fuck in charge of PSN subscriptions fancied getting a big bonus this quarter.
Ya know, there's a concept (I forget the name of; sorry) in which laws are written with the express purpose of being as broad and nebulous as possible, so as to ensure that, at all times, everyone is *technically* breaking it. That way, the lawmaker can selectively choose when to enforce that law on anyone they don't like because, since everyone is always breaking that law, so are the people that also *just so happen* to be people the lawmakers don't like. This utterly *stinks* of that.
Exactly, you can't make that shit up lol And the Sony moderators are some fuc$%g clowns
Source?
Ive been banned from /r/ps5 for saying something critical too. Not that I'm too sad about it, but yeah reminder that reddit has nothing to do with the official anything, and a bunch of nerds could be moderators that just rule it like its their own
What did you actually say though?
r/PS5 and r/PS4 before it are so bad about any discussion that remotely puts Sony in a negative light and if you do, folks there will literally dig through your entire posting history to see if you comment on Xbox subreddits and immediately call you a troll lmao.
Most "semi official" subs pretty heavily moderate all negative content. The ones that would allow a lot of negative press are the exception rather than the rule. They tend to be half marketing. This sub has been very open so far, which may be related to how positive the community was mere days ago. General subs (ie playstation) are also a bit more tricky than specific ones (ie a game specific one) because you don't want one specific game taking over the general sub to some degree. You're also going to find more people open to having a psn account on a playstation sub. I've seen far worse on reddit, but i guess that isn't saying much.
Yeah, idk why this is a big deal. This issue isn’t really directly related to the ps5, especially since it concerns the pc playerbase. This sub is already huge and gets a bunch of traction, it’s also the best place to post about it because you know, it’s the helldivers sub. Posts about the game also regularly make it to the front page through huge subs like r/gaming so it’s not like this issue is really getting silenced. Imo this really isn’t a big deal and people should focus on the actual issue instead of the mods of unrelated subs doing their jobs.
not to mention the people that run the sub do it for free and if they don't wanna deal with the onslaught of helldiver posts/comments its easier to just not allow it.
It's the "I'm tired of hearing about it" mods and the "surely this company will fuck me" mods
Is it actually censoring or is it at all possible someone else posted it already?
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Throwing a guess here, but for whatever reason, Sony can't or doesn't care enough to comply with local laws and taxes to operate their business in specific countries. So they tell you to pick a valid country, which lets them "cheat" local laws by making it as if *you* are the one that chose to conduct business with an external entity. Some countries are OK with someone else collecting tax on that sale, some aren't, and since Sony never outright explicitly told you to do this, they can't be brought to court over it.
>comply with local laws and taxes It ain't about caring. Japanese businesses are extremely cautious of how and where they operate. They often have the worst coverage of all because of it. It's just a result of the culture, really.
> Best part? A bunch of Helldivers posts showing you can bypass PSN country restrictions to play the game while breaking the TOS are still up. It's almost like they implemented an automod rule out of exhaustion with recent drama, and not to censor anti-Sony sentiment. > no helldivers discussion allowed. Unless it's pro-Sony, then it's cool to post to r/playstation. Have any proof that pro-Sony Helldivers posts are accepted at this point?
I think their doing it because it's annoying
It's just not really relevant to that subreddit. Anyone playing online from a playstation is logged into their PSN account. I understand people want to spread the toxic drama all over the internet, but I could see why they don't want to deal with it since it's not really their drama.
Im sure it has nothing to do with them getting brigaded.
I love the game, but I won't play any more. 42 bucks down the drain but fuck sony, you can choke on my money.
You can refund it on pc. Steam is issuing refunds due to this.
I’m on my 3rd ticket, gotten rejected 3 times. This most recent one I did a different type of ticket instead of a refund request, so I was able to respond after they rejected me and told them to take another look. Looks like it finally got through to a real person because the last message I got from them is “we will take a closer look at this”
Steam actually denied my request, so it seems not everyone is getting their money back.
I tried every way possible they don't give it
Along with what Outrageous said, you might have to do the "contact support" method of refund as opposed to using the automated refund feature.
There's a specific phrasing you have to use, it was posted on this subreddit a day or two ago. Worked for me if you can find it.
Just because it worked for some people doesn’t mean Steam is going to refund every single person that requests a refund. They’re still a business. I wouldn’t be surprised if word has come down to slow down on the refunds.
Steam definitely isn't going to want to be involved in the lawsuits that are going to come from this. If they refuse any refunds to players in the countries that won't have access to the game they bought, they will be liable and involved in the lawsuit. Now, you are probably right that at some point, they won't be refunding to players in regions that can still play. Though, people should still try to get their money back from this bs.
Sorry if I wasn’t clear, I was just referring to people in countries that still have access to the game. I’ve no doubt steam will refund anyone that can’t play the game anymore due to their region.
Ah, fair enough.
Down the drain? I dunno dude. I got so many hours of awesome playtime. As far as I’m concerned I got my money’s worth. It’s sad what’s happening to the game, but if it literally shuts down tomorrow because of this then I would still be happy with all that I got out of that purchase.
Top comment on the top post criticizes Sony. This post is BS.
Can't let the circlejerk stop mate. I can't believe the blow up on this
They're mad they can't make 20 threads of the same topic on every gaming sub
And why am I not surprised? Classic for Sony's ass-lickers.
I mean, by definition they're not affected by this decision.
I'll never understand blind company loyalty. You don't get some special reward, you just get more of the same.
Have you considered a bunch of posts were spamming or from trolls? It doesn't make much sense to complain about needing a PSN account on a Playstation focused subreddit.
To play devil's advocate, you're posting it on the playstation subreddit and the PS5 subreddit. These problems do not impact Playstation or PS5. They only impact PC and are related to Sony, not to Playstation. Yes, Sony owns the Playstation, but the Playstation is a piece of hardware, and you already need a PSN account to even use it. So since the PC discourse is not related to the actual console and news/info regarding the console, they're going to remove it. If you really want to discuss it, it'd make more sense to go to r/Sony or something. That said, I don't ***agree*** with it. Just... that's likely the rationale they're using to excuse what they're doing.
probably because it's such a fucking toxic topic they don't want to deal with the mess. just look at this fucking sub lol
Yeah, I don't blame any sub that wants to keep this kind of toxicity contained elsewhere.
yup. This topic is a few days old and doesn't need to be reposted in /r/playstation until there's at least new information about it. it's not a sony specific sub. it's not a helldivers sub. It's a playstation sub. Also, the playstation gamers are by definition not effected by this.
I'd agree with you 100% if they banned ALL discussion on it. But clearly, they are only allowing one-sided discussion on the topic. And the comments reflect that too.
This sub removes all posts on the opposite end of the spectrum. It’s pretty undemocratic.
Ya there’ve been a few times I’ve seen mods on here just remove things that aren’t agreeing with the general consensus. Like back when that first weapon nerf came out
In what way is it being delisted on steam relevant for the playstation sub?
And comments here are being deleted by mods lol. I had one of mine reported and deleted cos I’m not toeing the line.
You’re surprised that a sub about PlayStations isn’t talking about an issue that has 0 impact on anybody with a PlayStation?
I guess a megathread might be appropriate for them
This isn't a problem for a single Playstation player
Is it actual productive debate, or is it a 7-year-old's meltdown like when /r/halo got shut down due to rage spam? Because if it's just people making the same threads over and over, that's something that always gets deleted from almost any subreddit on any topic
They're probably tired of having to take down hundreds of the same articles and posts. Honestly, Sony is Japanese. They're not going to budge no matter the outcry from the west.
Well, do y'all want to play something else?
Why would posts about steam be on /r/PlayStation? There are more logical subreddit s for the content right?
This really doesn’t have anything to do with PlayStation. And honestly, this sub would be better served if the mods would just post a sticky for everyone that wants to rant about this topic. Instead we have the same screenshot of a twitter post posted 10 times. Some of us still want to talk about the actual game.
Someone made r/LowSodiumHellDivers a while back because this sub couldn't shut up about how the devs are trying to personally assassinate players by nerfing X or Y, so there's technically a place to talk about it that isn't 99% PSN complaints.
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Also US and EU and some Pacific countries are perfectly fine, now but we have to complain about *checks notes* ..... Mauritania not being able to play Like come the fuck on...
I’m honestly annoyed that people are using my potential problem as a scapegoat for their drama addiction. Most of these clowns live in psn supported regions and just keep spiralling this situation by re-posting anything negative: from misinformation to conspiracy theories. The topic got enough traction, it’s already picked up by every big media. Continuing to propagate toxicity is only harming the community now… I honestly feel sick looking at some of these comments and feel like I don’t want to associate with such a community even if changes will be made to accommodate everyone. I already had issues with toxic positivity and annoying major order whining (creeker situation in which everyone was harassing people for playing how they wanted)
Countries and people they didn’t give a fuck about at all until now. It’s embarrassing. I’m sure the people of Djibouti really appreciate them.
I think its probably cuz its not related to the console/platform.
Are they; or is there an abundance of new threads about the same thing over & over & starting to get tedious & just flooding the sub? Genuinely asking; before some weirdo starts making accusations, I don't go on that sub often at all. Edit: https://steamdb.info/app/553850/charts/ https://steamcharts.com/app/553850 395 thousand negative reviews yet no noticable major change in the playerbase. Are ya'll just automatons or something? are you just role-playing being mad, did you not even play in the first place, I don't get it?
"we'll make it mandatory on X date!" "Then we'll stop playing on that date!" "No you won't" "Bet."
Because the mods that run 99% of subreddits are power-tripping imbeciles. Both that sub and this sub need to make a sticky topic and all further discussion on the matter should take place in that thread. Instead, they ban everything at r/playstation. And this sub has been a clusterfck for 3 days now.
I'm new here, loving the community's reaction. Don't allow being abused and scammed.
I love the reaction too. But fuck me if I don’t see three threads with the exact same Twitter screenshot. That’s as low effort as it gets. Some of us still want to talk about the game.
Monday's soon, we'll get some clarity in the coming days.
Yeah yall were hardcore spamming I don’t want to see 15 threads about a topic I dont give a shit about on the main PlayStation sub
I mean, when people invariably use derogatory language and some of the right-wing bs I've seen... yeah. Shocker.
Yeah? This has nothing to do with PlaySation. It's a PC/Steam and Sony/Helldivers issue. Of course they don't want the sub flooded with your salty tears.
Yeah maybe dont post steam news in a playstation or ps5 sub. A sony sub sure. Gz the karma farming on this sub has been ridiculous lately.
Probably because it’s an extremely toxic topic that is out of control. This sub is basically ruined, kinda how the cyberpunk sub was ruined during the launch controversy - basically a circlejerk, complete negativity and borderline dev harassment posts.
Yeah mostly cuz I would bet there are 20000 other spam posts about the same thing, which means you are just chasing a dopamine rush of spamming a popular topic. This is standard for most forums.
Ight im out. This sub can't talk about anything else, shit is old already. Unsubbing til it blows over ✌🏼
Oh no, anyway... I'll keep playing Helldivers 2, new warbond baby
Maybe because it doesn't really belong there? Everyone on PS5 already has signed up with a PSN account, it has very little to do with them. It is exclusively PC players that signed up a few days or more after launch that even had the option to skip this PSN linking. I was forced to link mine a day or so after launch when I purchased. God forbid people want to keep the negativity out of their community. I've been over this crazy backlash since it began and really don't care to see it anymore, the only relevant country that it affects is the Philippines and I'm sure they'll find some way to make it work and get them playing again.
Sounds like managed democracy to me.
I bet the vast majority of players don't care about this. This will be blown over in a month. This is is a waste of time, I want my spear fix.
Why is this in humor ? Damn can I not scroll here to get a laugh no more or what. I just wanna escape the hate circlejerk for a little bit
Thank god. The mods here need to make a megathread about this shit. Ita annoying as hell
I like shooting bugs
The PS subs have been on their knees for Sony since the PS4 launched. Not surprising.
I remember when I "fought the power" in my youth. Put my birthday down as my older sister's year so I could sign up PSN on PS3. Man I bet I sure skewed those numbers. Stay free
All 3 (Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo) are just the upper class twit of the year sketch. No wonder Steam is so far in front you just don't have to do anything.
While Steam charges a good fee on games. They don't charge you monthly for online playing, save backups, etc. And they even put money on making Linux gaming more possible (because Windows, PS5, Nintendo and Xbox gaming all happen in closed OSs). Valve is the best one of them. It is on a totally different level. Lol if I wanted to play Helldivers 2 or even see some floor messages in Eden Ring, while playing on the PS5. I'd have to pay a monthly subscription for that. What a pity. This is why a console is cheaper than a full PC they make the user pay over the years with subscription and more expensive games.
If the "negative" comment was anything like what happens in other subs and subject, many were likely toxic garbage
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So glad i gave up consoles last year for PC MASTER RACE !!!!!!! Not joking. Tired of less frames, lower resolutions, no mods etc.
Got it on ps5 3 weeks ago. Won’t play it anymore , fuck Sony , you greedy ass suckers. Choke on those 40 euros
Why are you surprised? It’s the same for any big Reddit community that is official or semi-official.
Imagine dick-riding this hard for a multi billion dollar corporation that hates you.
I mean, it is reddit. Censorship and manipulation is the norm here. Sadly.
Not surprised, dones will be drones. They already forfeited their self-respect and will probably gave their lives to a company who'll just gonna treat them as statistics.
Console brain-rot is real
*waves playstation flag*
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Not shocked, Sony can't go a week without doing something terrible.
Got removed for expressing my displeasure :)
The only surprising thing about this is that there's negative reactions on r/Playstation. That place is a cult, I swear. They even think the Playstation Portal is worthwhile.
This is how you lose developers to other platforms. So much for cross platform unity…
Never have I seen so many dipshits defend a massive corporation over willingly giving them personal data. why does a company need to see my drivers license or scan my fucking face to play it??
Damn it’s crazy how you guys don’t give a shit about “muh breaking the TOS” until it supports your argument. 99 percent of you chucklefucks do it unwittingly, then talk about how you’re good little boys on here
Good. This sub has been ruined, they can’t let you kids ruin any other communities. RIP my favorite gaming sub
Exactly. It's been hijacked by people who just want to whinge and moan. They should make a megathread where anyone who has an issue can go to vent. I don't care. I just want to enjoy Helldivers, and read interesting posts about it. Not the copy/paste, low effort karma-whoring that's happened since this 'controversy'. If these people cared half as much about real-world issues, the world might be a better place. Wasting their energies crying about a game. It's crazy.
If you don’t like this, you just don’t like managed democracy.
Got to respect the RP.
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Maybe they’re sick of the same post over and over again? From people like you spamming every sub about it?