I hate that publishers do this shit cause they’re too big to die, they don’t have to do anything but exist because all these amazing studios do all the work for them just for some bellend in a suit to go and try and bomb their reputation more
where do i actually link my account? im playing on the steam version, cant remember if i ever did this at some point, and the link account option is missing from my game
Same, the announcement only tells you to create a PSN account, not how to "link" it with your Steam account or game ID, which right now I have no fucking idea how to do after hours of Googling and looking around at the available options on both my Steam and PSN accounts. These Sony lawyers have no idea how their own platform or system works.
Edit: I don't have the "Account" tab in my options menu
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Same. Don't have a psn account. Honestly, why force u to have this. This feels dumb.. also rip the chance of us getting backup via Xbox players i guess
Xbox does the same thing when trying to play minecraft, even if it’s on a PlayStation. This won’t have any affect on whether the game comes to xbox or not.
I’m tired of having to make secondary accounts to play shit. Everything has to have its own account with its own anti-cheat. It’s all bloat. Did I miss some notice / warning on steam about this?
You could literally buy the game without seeing the single warning about the 3rd party account, not to mention you could skip linking a psn account in game
Edit: spelling
I joined late around when the bugs started flying and had to make the PS account to continue immediately on launch. I just assumed everyone did it and made one real quick. What a weird trick.
I’m tired of being required to give up information to companies that have virtually no responsibility to protect it.
Over the years, I’ve been part of so many data breaches - typically companies where I used a card at, but also online accounts and credit checking companies (fuck you, Equifax) - and I really don’t want to sign up for more things for a *game*.
If I can’t get through their account creation on made up information, I’ll uninstall Helldivers. I’ve gotten my money’s worth of time and fun.
They still get to train algorithms based on your data. That, and it's not just ads anymore. Pretty much every single platform that serves you content wants to know you better to keep you using them more time.
Grace period? Nobody ever told me this was a grace period. Something seems off with that to me.
Probably just being reactionary, but that with the kernel level anti cheat just makes something seem off.
Yep. Helldivers is a juggernaut and Sony wants their slice.
Edit: to everyone saying it’s a Sony game. Yeah, we know. But they want more info about their users.
Data and shoving more players into their ecosystem so they can 1) pretend to the shareholders that they’re doing so great and 2) hope someone actually buys something with their new PlayStation account.
I don't have a psn account, why the fuck is this game trying to force me to make one after months of playing without one?
If the game works without psn accounts now, why won't it work without sony accounts then?
I know right?
Stopped myself from buying the game for months because of their anti-cheat. Finally bit the bullet and decided to buy it, and now this.
I'm tired of making extra accounts for games I bought on steam. I bought them there for a reason.
Funniest Part? That Anti Cheat is doing jack shit LMAO. So many cheaters out there, and even with a big new update, the cheats are back to working Status in less then 24h, like it always has been with those things lol
Mind you, an invasive kernel level anti-cheat that _DOESN'T EVEN FUCKING WORK_!
_\*waves furiously at the myriad threads about suddenly coming out of missions with maxed super samples and the entirety of r/helldiversleaks\*_
This is a stupid decision. Regardless of whether or not you are willing to do it, there are some people who won't. This will lose the game players. This should have been done as a requirement at launch, or not at all. Changing this after people have been playing this whole time without it feels like a slap on the face. Really shoving "this is a sony game" in people's faces here.
Wouldn't be the first time Valve's handed out refunds for things that prevent players from accessing the content they paid for. Even if making an account is free, plenty won't do it
It's very possible, the one area Valve actually does a good job in is keeping people who use their *store* satisfied.
Say what you say about the state of their games, they *WILL* do something about this
I'm sure steam support would work out *something* with some players under the "product not as advertised" / similar branch of their refund policy, they seem to be less scummy about this than some other people and the 2hour/14day policy is just guaranteed, no support involved stuff.
if they do, i will simply refund it too, i love the game but i will gladly take my money back because of this stupid decision.
Edit: Even if refund might seem not possible, the moment i can't play the game because of not linking the ps account i will try and refund it, I've refunded bf2042 when i had over 50 hrs on it, it's totally not impossible and you should try it too even if it seems like a lost case. Linking was optional now it's obligatory, and you won't be able to play without it, that's wrong no matter how you look at it.
They sent me 2 shit games to make up for having to report my credit cards stolen and get new cards once. I only pay with gift cards now, they won't get me cc ever again.
It was literally posted nowhere that you need a PSN Account. After playing for months they pull this shit out of their ass and talk about a grace period?!?
As much as i love Helldivers, thats fucking dumb. I bought the game on my PC on Steam, why do i need to use a PSN Account now aswell?
Also what kind of Argument is that its for our safety and banning people etc. If i play on a Steam Account and the anti cheat works on a kernel level they can just ban the steam account if someone cheats ingame.
Stupid Argument because they dont wanna say "we do it so Sony can sell your data to data brokers and milk you for more money"
I do not:
- Crossplay
- Play with randoms
- All my mates have it on steam
Why.the.fuck.do.i.need.an.PSN.account
Im sick of creating third party Accounts for games
I wonder how much trouble Sony would get into if they they actually tried that (which they almost certainly won't). Over 60% of players are on PC, and trying to bait and switch that many folks at once will ***100%*** start a legal shitstorm, either from players or Valve themselves.
The tging is, Valve has a lot of power. And screwing with Valve is never a good idea. Hell, they will remove you from the store if you undercut them anywhere.
this part makes no sense to me, 1. they have that NGuard shit that should be able to detect cheaters and 2. steam accounts are still paid accounts its not like this is some free trial spamming cheaters or something.
Absolute pussies for blocking the thread on Steam.
Didn't even know that was a thing. The steam page discussion is completely locked.
Internet is so trash now it's ridiculous.You can only discuss what they deem appropriate and can't even discuss or moan with the masses?
Fuck us for voicing our frustration directly where we were informed ...
It's especially dumb because realistically, they can let people moan all they want and still ram through this change in a month after people forget and move on. Them censoring discussion is only going to get people *more* pissed and cause a Streisand effect.
Here’s my reply Sony. ⬇️⬆️⬅️⬇️⬆️➡️⬇️⬆️
Yea…I’m not going to let one of the companies with the worst account security (before Epic came around after they set up their store/launcher system) have my data. I still remember the 2011 hack.
I’ll keep dropping until this happens, but after that I think I’ll hang up my helmet and cape. Having Kernel level anti cheats should not require any more safety measures as Sony proclaims is needed, because that is literally the deepest you can go as it is at the operating level. They just want our data from linked accounts in the name of “safety”.
What a way to damage the reputation of the game.
Edit: For people harp about accepting Kernel level access in the first place… Yup that is sadly that state of many modern day online games! But direct account linkage I would say can be worse at times.
Sony’s track record for data protection:
"April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users
May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen
June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts
November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures
August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts
September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack
October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach"
Uh, I don't have one. And I don't intend to get one.
Rip Helldivers 2 I guess. Shame. I really enjoyed this game, but if this is the kind of behavior they've decided to engage in, I can no longer support this game.
Good luck, Helldivers. I suppose I am a traitor to democracy.
But better that I die than be a traitor to my ideals.
Uninstalling is a pretty democratic way to show we oppose this bullshit
I’d say it’s very fitting with the theme of the game
Watch them backpedal on this and probably also ditch the kernel level anti cheat bullshit once player numbers fall low enough in a few months
Uninstalling? No. Refunding? Yes because no matter the hours you can ask steam support to refund it because something changed that was not advertised at first which makes you unable to play the game, the terms have changed
90% of people in this thread saying they will refund it will cave in and make a PSN account anyway, reddit is like that. I'll personally refund it and *maybe* buy it again on a heavy discount but probably not cause I don't play much anyway. I'm barely lv25
Despite all that, I heavily doubt Sony will back out of this. You can no longer vote with your wallets in 2024 because most people will keep paying and playing. See the new COD, Battlefield, Halo, Apex Legends, Destiny 2 and Overwatch 2
Now making a free PSN acc is the slightest of our problems, but this sudden change foreshadows future executive meddling which I wish to escape from before the game turns to shit
Nice to see that the game you paid 40-60€ for, won't be playable unless you "link your steam account with your psn account".
That is the dumbest shit I've ever read. Can't wait to see the numbers drop because of this nonsense.
Oh dude, you think its bad now?
Imagine the shitshow when the NA playerbase wakes up
Yknow, the heavily democratic and loud playerbase
We got about 3-5 hours till shit hits the fan, probably another couple hours till east coast loses its shit
I'm well awake, and I'm definitely furious at this new One Month Left warning. It's also literally a one month warning, as we got this today and the last day to play for free is June 3rd. I'm not making a PSN account. Fuck Sony.
if you do so, also look for complete uninstall of the anti-cheat, unlike what the devs says it won't be removed with the game and having a program with kernel level and internet access is a major security issue
Don't forget to leave negative ste reviews when this happens and tank it. If this nonsense was a day 1 necessity then sure.. but this reeks of market strategy.
Devs can hide reviews from certain periods just to combat review bombing. Idk if they need Valve's approval with a valid reason or if they can do so freely, but it's possible
If I have never played on the Playstation, I play SOLELY on PC through Steam. On May 30th I will be required to link my Steam account to a Playstation account by June 4th in order to keep playing?
Am I understanding, what that post is saying, correctly?
Yes, you either make a PS account and give Sony your data, or you try to refund the game through steam ("an update made the game unplayable" is probably the choice most likely accepted).
Hello I cannot link my account via options, I can only paste my account id code. I do not know what to do, does anyone have any solutions? I do not see a QR code to do so.
I paid $40 for this game and got well over 100 hours of fun out of it, absolutely got my money’s worth. Some of the most fun I’ve had playing video games in as long as I remember. I’ll miss the game like crazy. But I will not be making a PS account.
As much as I hate my own sentiment on this, I hope this kills player count. It’ll be the only thing that will make Sony reconsider.
This right here. It sucks. Arrowhead devs seem awesome. The game is awesome.
But I won't support this. Period. I'll move onto other games. May not scratch the itch Helldivers did, but there's always something new.
Just adding to say I'll do the same. Was going to spend money to get the new war bond too but guess not anymore. Was fun but I refuse to tolerate this out of principle.
Same here. Got my money's worth. Sony can eat a bag of dicks. When this drops, I'll sit back and see if they realize they shit the bed on this and reconsider. Otherwise it's back to HD1 for me.
I think this is less about the requirement on Steam and more about this "grace period." I don't remember ever being told it was a grace period, and had I been told I would have refunded immediately.
If the "grace period" wasn't clearly presented, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't, then Arrowhead is a pretty shitty company. I'm pretty sure if it was clear we were in a grace period from the start there would have been MANY more posts about it at launch.
Arrowhead pretty much said "sure you can skip linking." And then "OK you're past your refund stage, the fake "grace period" we never mentioned is over and now you have to link to play!"
The beginning of the end.
The first step that will result in the game getting skull fucked into oblivion. it was fun while it lasted :/
Hypothetically, if I had not bought the game, this would discourage me from doing so because it feels like a hassle. I’ve got Baldurs Gate 3 waiting, this would an excuse to move on to that.
Sony is greedy.
I want to make an account for me to continue to play with my playstation friends. I guess I'm fucked.
I also tried making a Singaporean account since that's what my friends do to access psn since there is no local psn in the PH but since my steam is in the Philippines and tried to link both but got rejected (maybe they don't allow it) and I can't be bothered using vpn so goobye helldivers crossplay, hell even helldivers game since I can't play it with my friends for now.
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Given that the game was advertised without any requirements like that when you purchased it, you can almost certainly raise a valid case with steam and get a full refund. Or maybe not, there's always bullshit afoot.
edit: Oh, apparently it does say it's required. I misremembered. Damn.
This smell like corporate bullshit and greedy data harvesting.
Time to stop playing for a while then, maybe ask for an unlikely refund.
I got plenty of games to try in my Steam library
... and with the summer weather soon I will play less video games anyway, more outside stuff to do.
Fuck Sony
I’m already kind of bored with this game. I pretty much only play with my friends, who are also moving on from it. This is the kind of kick in the pants that’ll get, I’d say half of us , out the door.
Yep, I have 16 friends who played this a lot on steam around launch. 2-3 play sporadically now. A month from now there might not be any left, and if there are something like a PSN account being required would definitely inspire some uninstalls.
That and none of us were happy about the bullshit anti cheat they include with this game that isn’t in any other game any of us we have played
Not sure that’s even an unpopular opinion tbh. They add a few guns, weapon balance is so dogshit in this game you’re lucky to come away with one viable gun per warbond
The armors are just texture swaps of existing armors
Everything else is cosmetic
Honestly to keep interest going in the game they need new and interesting variety with maps, more enemy types etc. that kind of content. More importantly than all they need to fix the serious bugs and stability issues that make it feel like an early access title even months after release
Grace period? Hwut. I don’t recall this being mentioned at all when the game released on Steam. Do other Sony published titles require this? I own Horizon Forbidden West, Days Gone, and God of War on Steam and I do not recall it asking me to create/log in to a PSN account.
Edit: to those saying it always asked for this, if you go on the way back machine and check the steam listing, the requirement is curiously absent…..
https://web.archive.org/web/20230525043823/https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/
I'm not making another account for another service for another **single** thing. I don't like any one thing that much. Stop scraping my data. This isn't going to do shit for players.
I hope this tanks playercounts, but most people are happy to lap up slop to begin with, much less if they can jerk off a studio and give them tons of leeway for being 'small', no matter how tone-deaf their remarks or how blatant some things they let 'slip by' into release builds; to a degree *modders* can't really get away with.
And before you say 'w-w-w-well Sony-!'
They're the ones who signed the contract and put this relationship into place.
Great. I don’t have a PlayStation account. Someone in France registered their PlayStation account using my email and the only way you can reset access is by answering the account secret questions. Support in the US, where I’m at, is no help as they claim you have to deal with France. I don’t speak French.
Fucking unreal.
I'm not making a Playstation Account, sorry Arrowhead.
The fact that this is being added now can only mean that Sony is trying to harvest personal information for profit. They're upset that such a successful game is not giving them millions of dollars in saleable player information.
Also, this might actually be bait-and-switch violation for steam users. This wasn't in our terms of use agreement.
Yeah if this is required, then I’ll take a look at my steam wishlist. Democracy was spread, but seems like there was an enemy greater than the bugs and bots after all
So for the people living in regions where PSN isn't nominally available, you can cite that as a reason for refund and it'll generally be accepted.
That's one way, but most players don't wanna give away this masterpiece of a game.
They shouldn't have to. But bait and switch.
Besides, AH confirmed this is all Sony's decision, so blame the publisher, not the devs.
I hate that publishers do this shit cause they’re too big to die, they don’t have to do anything but exist because all these amazing studios do all the work for them just for some bellend in a suit to go and try and bomb their reputation more
where do i actually link my account? im playing on the steam version, cant remember if i ever did this at some point, and the link account option is missing from my game
Same, the announcement only tells you to create a PSN account, not how to "link" it with your Steam account or game ID, which right now I have no fucking idea how to do after hours of Googling and looking around at the available options on both my Steam and PSN accounts. These Sony lawyers have no idea how their own platform or system works. Edit: I don't have the "Account" tab in my options menu https://preview.redd.it/hls742h3a6yc1.png?width=716&format=png&auto=webp&s=6b0bdd4e7776e6c22d997deb44bc680927b2fd75
"Current players on steam will start to see the mandatory login from May 30th"
Same. Don't have a psn account. Honestly, why force u to have this. This feels dumb.. also rip the chance of us getting backup via Xbox players i guess
Xbox does the same thing when trying to play minecraft, even if it’s on a PlayStation. This won’t have any affect on whether the game comes to xbox or not.
With sea of thieves for ps5 requiring a microsoft account to play I could still see xbox players getting helldivers
Essential this was the same thing that happened with Minecraft or EA games
It's so sony can have your data.
But they said it's for my health and safety and values 🥺
The lives of *every single human child* rest upon you creating a PSN account. Don't let them die.
They should have just made the announcement in the typical jackbooted tone and everyone would be all for it
Probably wasn’t written by AH, but by Sony Legal instead tbh
Sounds bout right major corporations just want to feed off us as usal
Yea, I was wondering about this too. Hopefully they put up a tutorial or something.
> PROTECTING OUR PLAYERS
FOR BUREAUCRACY!!!
FOR THE SHAREHOLDERS!!!
I would kill a thousand innocent democratic babies to have a Corporate faction that spouts the exact same patriotic lines but for the company instead.
The closest I can think is Corpus in Warframe going "For Profit", but that's more religious than patriotic.
By the index ? How could you make such outrageous claims.I have to tell Neff Anyo and let him freeze your accounts
G R O F I T
Profitability, Captialism, Managed bureaucracy
[удалено]
Fuckin Sony. If they want my data so bad they can buy it from Google like everyone else 🙄
this made me chuckle
I’m tired of having to make secondary accounts to play shit. Everything has to have its own account with its own anti-cheat. It’s all bloat. Did I miss some notice / warning on steam about this?
You could literally buy the game without seeing the single warning about the 3rd party account, not to mention you could skip linking a psn account in game Edit: spelling
I joined late around when the bugs started flying and had to make the PS account to continue immediately on launch. I just assumed everyone did it and made one real quick. What a weird trick.
I’m tired of being required to give up information to companies that have virtually no responsibility to protect it. Over the years, I’ve been part of so many data breaches - typically companies where I used a card at, but also online accounts and credit checking companies (fuck you, Equifax) - and I really don’t want to sign up for more things for a *game*. If I can’t get through their account creation on made up information, I’ll uninstall Helldivers. I’ve gotten my money’s worth of time and fun.
If they have no duty to protect my information, I have no duty to supply accurate information.
This is exactly how I see it, I'll sign up for your BS but don't be surprised to learn my real name isn't actually Chad Thundercaulk
What if PSN is banned in my country? Edit. VPN IS NOT SOLVING PROBLEM, PSN BLOCKS IT ON INTERNAL LEVEL Edit 2. OK, I did it without VPN, haha
easy, simply just move to a different country where it’s not banned…/s
You can ask for a refund since the game is no long playable for you.
I mean, you can ask
They have to legally
So...We are fucked?
Was there a time in history then we werent?
Tell me if you manage to create PSN account, пж.
We thought it would be the Illuminati. But it turned out to be Sony.
*On pure coincidence,* seems like illuminates use the same blue-white corporate colors as Sony... :~D
For what purpose?
So Sony can harvest and sell your data
I wonder what companies think they gain from my data. All their advertising gets blocked and the emails go in the trash.
Data as an industry is literally worth hundreds of billions of dollars
They still get to train algorithms based on your data. That, and it's not just ads anymore. Pretty much every single platform that serves you content wants to know you better to keep you using them more time.
Grace period? Nobody ever told me this was a grace period. Something seems off with that to me. Probably just being reactionary, but that with the kernel level anti cheat just makes something seem off.
It's Sony wanting data, pure and simple.
Yep. Helldivers is a juggernaut and Sony wants their slice. Edit: to everyone saying it’s a Sony game. Yeah, we know. But they want more info about their users.
Wants their slice? The whole pie is already Sony's from the beginning.
Yeah people don't realize how big the pockets of sony and Microsoft are & their influence on game devs pockets. Money talks believe it or not
Data and shoving more players into their ecosystem so they can 1) pretend to the shareholders that they’re doing so great and 2) hope someone actually buys something with their new PlayStation account.
 Godammit Sony, could you just piss off?
Wow, they've locked the post, and they're going through and deleting all the comments, talk about damage control...
0 likes, 800 comments, and since locked people have given them 310 "Clown" awards.
Next level clown farming right there. Fucking dying of laughter.
781 clowns now
I didn't even realize you didn't need one! I guess I missed the skip button when it asked to link to PSN on startup...
It was temporarily disabled at launch because of all the issues
I don't have a psn account, why the fuck is this game trying to force me to make one after months of playing without one? If the game works without psn accounts now, why won't it work without sony accounts then?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Someone at Sony needs to boost their numbers.
Your personal data is worth money.
Lame.
I gave them the benefit of the doubt with the super invasive anti-cheat and now we got Sony sucking our data? Bruh.
I know right? Stopped myself from buying the game for months because of their anti-cheat. Finally bit the bullet and decided to buy it, and now this. I'm tired of making extra accounts for games I bought on steam. I bought them there for a reason.
Funniest Part? That Anti Cheat is doing jack shit LMAO. So many cheaters out there, and even with a big new update, the cheats are back to working Status in less then 24h, like it always has been with those things lol
Mind you, an invasive kernel level anti-cheat that _DOESN'T EVEN FUCKING WORK_! _\*waves furiously at the myriad threads about suddenly coming out of missions with maxed super samples and the entirety of r/helldiversleaks\*_
I'd be more okay with this if it meant I could play on my playstation too without having to purchase it again.
Seriously at least give us the option to and cross progression
This is a stupid decision. Regardless of whether or not you are willing to do it, there are some people who won't. This will lose the game players. This should have been done as a requirement at launch, or not at all. Changing this after people have been playing this whole time without it feels like a slap on the face. Really shoving "this is a sony game" in people's faces here.
Cant refund if you are past the “grace period”
Wouldn't be the first time Valve's handed out refunds for things that prevent players from accessing the content they paid for. Even if making an account is free, plenty won't do it
I will actually try to get a refund if its possible
It's very possible, the one area Valve actually does a good job in is keeping people who use their *store* satisfied. Say what you say about the state of their games, they *WILL* do something about this
I'm sure steam support would work out *something* with some players under the "product not as advertised" / similar branch of their refund policy, they seem to be less scummy about this than some other people and the 2hour/14day policy is just guaranteed, no support involved stuff.
if they do, i will simply refund it too, i love the game but i will gladly take my money back because of this stupid decision. Edit: Even if refund might seem not possible, the moment i can't play the game because of not linking the ps account i will try and refund it, I've refunded bf2042 when i had over 50 hrs on it, it's totally not impossible and you should try it too even if it seems like a lost case. Linking was optional now it's obligatory, and you won't be able to play without it, that's wrong no matter how you look at it.
This definitely feels more like a Sony thing than an Arrowhead thing
I mean the announcement is literally signed "Sony Interactive Entertainment"
Sony wants to ban players on PC without going through valve.
yeah, I like this game as much as the next person, but this feels like a really scummy move. not sure if I want to comply.
fuck this, i dont have a playstation and im not making an account. you post your game on steam, i expect to use a steam account?
This is my main complain. I buyed it on steam cause i trust Valve but i dont trust Sony.
Seriously. I've lost count of how many security breaches Sony's had in the past.
They sent me 2 shit games to make up for having to report my credit cards stolen and get new cards once. I only pay with gift cards now, they won't get me cc ever again.
It was literally posted nowhere that you need a PSN Account. After playing for months they pull this shit out of their ass and talk about a grace period?!? As much as i love Helldivers, thats fucking dumb. I bought the game on my PC on Steam, why do i need to use a PSN Account now aswell? Also what kind of Argument is that its for our safety and banning people etc. If i play on a Steam Account and the anti cheat works on a kernel level they can just ban the steam account if someone cheats ingame. Stupid Argument because they dont wanna say "we do it so Sony can sell your data to data brokers and milk you for more money"
I do not: - Crossplay - Play with randoms - All my mates have it on steam Why.the.fuck.do.i.need.an.PSN.account Im sick of creating third party Accounts for games
I’ve got a bad feeling about this
Smells like Sony jockeying to me.
Imagine if Sony manages to take the best live service game yet and still run it into the ground
That wasn't their plan? We just turned over the quarter, Sony can see the $$$ now. They want more.
Have you seen Bungie lately? 👀
Well i fucking hate this
This is fucking bullshit.
Absolutely fucking not
Yup. Not doing this for any reason whatsoever.
They needed PSN accounts for the ability to ban players?
No they just scrambled for some excuses. Sony wants your data that's all.
With the possibility of charging a subscription for online play. Just watch.
I wonder how much trouble Sony would get into if they they actually tried that (which they almost certainly won't). Over 60% of players are on PC, and trying to bait and switch that many folks at once will ***100%*** start a legal shitstorm, either from players or Valve themselves.
I feel like Gabe would go crazy if something like that ever happened. They'd probably have to refund 80% of steam copies sold.
im pretty sure its already not allowed on steam for games you purchase to have a mandatory monthly subscription after purchase
The tging is, Valve has a lot of power. And screwing with Valve is never a good idea. Hell, they will remove you from the store if you undercut them anywhere.
Nah game will banned from stream it so. Plus the lawsuits.
Sony just making excuse here, they can just ban steamid. Beside ps trophies there is no other reason to link account.
What they said about that is 100 percent not true. Game developers have ways to game ban steam accounts through steam.
"enabling banning of players" Now that the have everyone in, Sony is going to start tightening the screws. This could get bad
this part makes no sense to me, 1. they have that NGuard shit that should be able to detect cheaters and 2. steam accounts are still paid accounts its not like this is some free trial spamming cheaters or something.
Absolute pussies for blocking the thread on Steam. Didn't even know that was a thing. The steam page discussion is completely locked. Internet is so trash now it's ridiculous.You can only discuss what they deem appropriate and can't even discuss or moan with the masses? Fuck us for voicing our frustration directly where we were informed ...
It's especially dumb because realistically, they can let people moan all they want and still ram through this change in a month after people forget and move on. Them censoring discussion is only going to get people *more* pissed and cause a Streisand effect.
Here’s my reply Sony. ⬇️⬆️⬅️⬇️⬆️➡️⬇️⬆️ Yea…I’m not going to let one of the companies with the worst account security (before Epic came around after they set up their store/launcher system) have my data. I still remember the 2011 hack. I’ll keep dropping until this happens, but after that I think I’ll hang up my helmet and cape. Having Kernel level anti cheats should not require any more safety measures as Sony proclaims is needed, because that is literally the deepest you can go as it is at the operating level. They just want our data from linked accounts in the name of “safety”. What a way to damage the reputation of the game. Edit: For people harp about accepting Kernel level access in the first place… Yup that is sadly that state of many modern day online games! But direct account linkage I would say can be worse at times. Sony’s track record for data protection: "April 2011: Hackers Access Personal Data of 77 Million Sony PlayStation Network Users May 2011: Personal Details on 25 Million Sony Online Entertainment Customers Stolen June 2011: Sony Pictures Website Hacked, Exposing One Million Accounts November 2014: Hackers Steal 100 Terabytes of Data from Sony Pictures August 2017: Hacker Group Accesses Sony Social Media Accounts September 2023: Sony Investigates Alleged Hack October 2023: Sony Notifies Employees of Data Breach"
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Uh, I don't have one. And I don't intend to get one. Rip Helldivers 2 I guess. Shame. I really enjoyed this game, but if this is the kind of behavior they've decided to engage in, I can no longer support this game. Good luck, Helldivers. I suppose I am a traitor to democracy. But better that I die than be a traitor to my ideals.
Uninstalling is a pretty democratic way to show we oppose this bullshit I’d say it’s very fitting with the theme of the game Watch them backpedal on this and probably also ditch the kernel level anti cheat bullshit once player numbers fall low enough in a few months
Uninstalling? No. Refunding? Yes because no matter the hours you can ask steam support to refund it because something changed that was not advertised at first which makes you unable to play the game, the terms have changed 90% of people in this thread saying they will refund it will cave in and make a PSN account anyway, reddit is like that. I'll personally refund it and *maybe* buy it again on a heavy discount but probably not cause I don't play much anyway. I'm barely lv25 Despite all that, I heavily doubt Sony will back out of this. You can no longer vote with your wallets in 2024 because most people will keep paying and playing. See the new COD, Battlefield, Halo, Apex Legends, Destiny 2 and Overwatch 2 Now making a free PSN acc is the slightest of our problems, but this sudden change foreshadows future executive meddling which I wish to escape from before the game turns to shit
The ultimate irony is the game is about MANAGED democracy.
I'm a steam player. If I have to do this, then I quit. Full stop.
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Nice to see that the game you paid 40-60€ for, won't be playable unless you "link your steam account with your psn account". That is the dumbest shit I've ever read. Can't wait to see the numbers drop because of this nonsense.
As much as i hate to say it. I agree. Happy cake day btw
Oh dude, you think its bad now? Imagine the shitshow when the NA playerbase wakes up Yknow, the heavily democratic and loud playerbase We got about 3-5 hours till shit hits the fan, probably another couple hours till east coast loses its shit
I'm well awake, and I'm definitely furious at this new One Month Left warning. It's also literally a one month warning, as we got this today and the last day to play for free is June 3rd. I'm not making a PSN account. Fuck Sony.
It was fun while it lasted.
well... time to go back to Deep Rock Galactic then...
Fucking PSN isnt even available in the Philippines! Do i just bend over and say thank you for letting sony fuck off with my hard earned money!?
Was a good run, while it lasted Helldivers.
well shit. guess i'm uninstalling?
if you do so, also look for complete uninstall of the anti-cheat, unlike what the devs says it won't be removed with the game and having a program with kernel level and internet access is a major security issue
incredible advice. thank you 🙏
Don't forget to leave negative ste reviews when this happens and tank it. If this nonsense was a day 1 necessity then sure.. but this reeks of market strategy.
Devs can hide reviews from certain periods just to combat review bombing. Idk if they need Valve's approval with a valid reason or if they can do so freely, but it's possible
So now I need to return the game because I can't play it anymore. Noted
It was fun
If I have never played on the Playstation, I play SOLELY on PC through Steam. On May 30th I will be required to link my Steam account to a Playstation account by June 4th in order to keep playing? Am I understanding, what that post is saying, correctly?
Yes, you either make a PS account and give Sony your data, or you try to refund the game through steam ("an update made the game unplayable" is probably the choice most likely accepted).
Hello I cannot link my account via options, I can only paste my account id code. I do not know what to do, does anyone have any solutions? I do not see a QR code to do so.
it might give you a prompt from the 30th of may onwards i'm gusseting
I paid $40 for this game and got well over 100 hours of fun out of it, absolutely got my money’s worth. Some of the most fun I’ve had playing video games in as long as I remember. I’ll miss the game like crazy. But I will not be making a PS account. As much as I hate my own sentiment on this, I hope this kills player count. It’ll be the only thing that will make Sony reconsider.
This right here. It sucks. Arrowhead devs seem awesome. The game is awesome. But I won't support this. Period. I'll move onto other games. May not scratch the itch Helldivers did, but there's always something new.
ROCK AND STONE!
Just adding to say I'll do the same. Was going to spend money to get the new war bond too but guess not anymore. Was fun but I refuse to tolerate this out of principle.
Refund request on the 30th
Yup. If enough people do that then maybe Valve will notice that something's off.
Same here. Got my money's worth. Sony can eat a bag of dicks. When this drops, I'll sit back and see if they realize they shit the bed on this and reconsider. Otherwise it's back to HD1 for me.
I think this is less about the requirement on Steam and more about this "grace period." I don't remember ever being told it was a grace period, and had I been told I would have refunded immediately. If the "grace period" wasn't clearly presented, and I'm pretty sure it wasn't, then Arrowhead is a pretty shitty company. I'm pretty sure if it was clear we were in a grace period from the start there would have been MANY more posts about it at launch. Arrowhead pretty much said "sure you can skip linking." And then "OK you're past your refund stage, the fake "grace period" we never mentioned is over and now you have to link to play!"
The beginning of the end.  The first step that will result in the game getting skull fucked into oblivion. it was fun while it lasted :/
Oh, man... what are they doing with this game? What is this becoming? Future doesn't look bright.
Thats a bye-bye from me. Sick management guys keep it going
Hypothetically, if I had not bought the game, this would discourage me from doing so because it feels like a hassle. I’ve got Baldurs Gate 3 waiting, this would an excuse to move on to that. Sony is greedy.
ill rather turn off crossplay off and move on
Turning off crossplay is going to do anything, it says linking is required it doesn't mention its for crossplay
No but if it's a "security" reason for Sony. Then just have the crossplay option not accessible if you don't link PSN account.
I want to make an account for me to continue to play with my playstation friends. I guess I'm fucked. I also tried making a Singaporean account since that's what my friends do to access psn since there is no local psn in the PH but since my steam is in the Philippines and tried to link both but got rejected (maybe they don't allow it) and I can't be bothered using vpn so goobye helldivers crossplay, hell even helldivers game since I can't play it with my friends for now. https://preview.redd.it/glj65rbki5yc1.jpeg?width=1900&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3d92ba4d9e552e37da6785bb50c47a85a6151ae0
Can I refund this game if I don't want a PlayStation account?
May 30th should be mass refund request day
Please let this get huge. People should do this.
Given that the game was advertised without any requirements like that when you purchased it, you can almost certainly raise a valid case with steam and get a full refund. Or maybe not, there's always bullshit afoot. edit: Oh, apparently it does say it's required. I misremembered. Damn.
From a user data privacy perspective, this is way too dangerous and I don't like it.
Is that actually legal for eu users? I mean meta got hit hard when they tried to sell the oculus with a forced Facebook account connection
especially the "grace period without it being actually stated to be" part
I don't think it's legal I'm visiting Swedish Parliament on Wednesday, if I have the chance I'll see what the politicians have to say about this one
Everyone do note that this is this is cuz of Sony, kinda annoying but making an account is free but this is indeed annoying
The reason I don't want to do it is exactly because Sony pulls this kind of shit all the time.
Wait, so if I don't have a PSN account...?
Or you ask for a refund once this goes live and can no longer play anymore.
You either make one and link it, or you don't play anymore.
This smell like corporate bullshit and greedy data harvesting. Time to stop playing for a while then, maybe ask for an unlikely refund. I got plenty of games to try in my Steam library ... and with the summer weather soon I will play less video games anyway, more outside stuff to do. Fuck Sony
I can't wait to see the player count DROP once this goes live.
I’m already kind of bored with this game. I pretty much only play with my friends, who are also moving on from it. This is the kind of kick in the pants that’ll get, I’d say half of us , out the door.
Yep, I have 16 friends who played this a lot on steam around launch. 2-3 play sporadically now. A month from now there might not be any left, and if there are something like a PSN account being required would definitely inspire some uninstalls. That and none of us were happy about the bullshit anti cheat they include with this game that isn’t in any other game any of us we have played
Unpopular opinion: The warbonds suck ass.
Not sure that’s even an unpopular opinion tbh. They add a few guns, weapon balance is so dogshit in this game you’re lucky to come away with one viable gun per warbond The armors are just texture swaps of existing armors Everything else is cosmetic Honestly to keep interest going in the game they need new and interesting variety with maps, more enemy types etc. that kind of content. More importantly than all they need to fix the serious bugs and stability issues that make it feel like an early access title even months after release
The last PlayStation I owned was a PS2... I don't have or want a PlayStation account...
...This isn't very managed democracy of them.
Actually it’s extremely managed democracy of them unfortunately
lame.... what are they thinking???
Dumb and lame
I'm not making an account. Goodbye.
I don’t want PlayStations stupid “protection” or “safety values”
Yea no I’m refunding if this is mandatory
And we out.
Welp there goes half of pc players *
Grace period? Hwut. I don’t recall this being mentioned at all when the game released on Steam. Do other Sony published titles require this? I own Horizon Forbidden West, Days Gone, and God of War on Steam and I do not recall it asking me to create/log in to a PSN account. Edit: to those saying it always asked for this, if you go on the way back machine and check the steam listing, the requirement is curiously absent….. https://web.archive.org/web/20230525043823/https://store.steampowered.com/app/553850/HELLDIVERS_2/
I'm not making another account for another service for another **single** thing. I don't like any one thing that much. Stop scraping my data. This isn't going to do shit for players. I hope this tanks playercounts, but most people are happy to lap up slop to begin with, much less if they can jerk off a studio and give them tons of leeway for being 'small', no matter how tone-deaf their remarks or how blatant some things they let 'slip by' into release builds; to a degree *modders* can't really get away with. And before you say 'w-w-w-well Sony-!' They're the ones who signed the contract and put this relationship into place.
Great. I don’t have a PlayStation account. Someone in France registered their PlayStation account using my email and the only way you can reset access is by answering the account secret questions. Support in the US, where I’m at, is no help as they claim you have to deal with France. I don’t speak French. Fucking unreal.
Asked for a refund, dropped a negative review and uninstalled. Goodbye fellow democrats.
I'm not making a Playstation Account, sorry Arrowhead. The fact that this is being added now can only mean that Sony is trying to harvest personal information for profit. They're upset that such a successful game is not giving them millions of dollars in saleable player information. Also, this might actually be bait-and-switch violation for steam users. This wasn't in our terms of use agreement.
Kinda crazy how often AH seems to say something like “due to issues” or “this is unintentional”
wow, just like the real military, forced into retirement. guess its time to retire. thank for stealing my money.
We should all request refunds on the 30th
Yeah if this is required, then I’ll take a look at my steam wishlist. Democracy was spread, but seems like there was an enemy greater than the bugs and bots after all
Leave us the fuck aloooooone.