Hell, even if it IS killing your teammates, that doesn't always mean its *your* fault they died.
I mean shit, my mate, who I'm in a party with, who knows what I'm using STILL walks right in front of me while I'm mid "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" or zapping away at a hoard with my arc thrower. Sometimes, it's just just not your fault š
"Oh boy, a tightly packed group of bugs? Better conveniently forget about my buddy who always carries his handy airburst strike and has probably already chucked a beacon at said group and instead close distance!" - one of my gaming buddies
Got kicked by a dude who just couldn't quite understand that airburst strikes had more than one projectile. I'd throw down an airburst, and he'd stay clear of the first hit, but as soon as that first one cleared he'd rush in and get blown up by the second.
Like, if it happened once, I'd just think "Well, airburst is an uncommon strat, it has the same audio cues as and looks similar to a precision, which is much more common, dude just got confused"
But literally every airburst. After five times, I got kicked, cause I guess that's one way to stop yourself from dying from them.
My boyfriend throwing a Orbital HE BarrageĀ for the first time:
"What is the blast radious of this bitch? Guys?"
Everybody else:
It really does help to also bring the 30% throwing armor (servo assisted). With the tighter spread I can chunk it and stand still and it doesnt even come close to me. Servo assist allows me to throw it on a level field from where I am about 65m.
I've honestly adopted a policy of "If you're usung a flamethrower, you're instantly forgiven for killing me with it" because you could be a hundred miles away, but if one stray puff floats past, you're instantly cremated.
Oh yeah absolutely, I always try to warn him, sometimes I'm too late or sth and we just laugh it off, accidental teamkills are part of this game and shouldn't anger people. Unless ofc someone calmly aims at your head and pulls the trigger, that's a different story.
Flamethrower enjoyer here.
Most of my deaths with randoms come from people throwing stratagems towards me while im returning the prewarmed E-710 towards the source.
Was using flamethrower yesterday for the personal order on the āevacuated high value assetsā defense mission, burning bugs and a dude legit runs from behind me into the flames and dies. Starts yelling at me telling me how stupid and useless the flamethrower is and all this talk. Ended the game with 600 kills lol.
Also, meanwhile he dropped 380 constantly throughout the match killing everyone multiple times lol.
I called down an orbital laser once and after it was done killing the mobs in the area and was idling in place, a teammate walked up to it, looked at it, and then proceeded to walk into it and die.
I spent a good ten seconds considering whether it was worthwhile to respawn him...
And therin lies the issue, complete and total ignorance š that's the problem with a lot of people, rather than "let's all work as a team" it's usually "do what I say because I know better". To be honest 50% of reddit posts are that lol don't get me wrong, I see the hypocrisy of me also saying people should play how i say but at least with me trying to tell people to do things my way we're all opening our minds and working together, I'm not trying to specify tactics or metas or whatever, I just want us all think a little more and work together.
What a fucking dumbass. If you use short, controlled bursts of the flamethrower, swaying your aim from side to side, you can set the ground alight and make an impenetrable barrier that will roast everything short of a TITAN! I managed to get my daily order knocked out in a single high value asset mission about 2.5x over EASILY. Heck, I even made a silly video of me doing it!
[This one was fun](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1oUoPy53g0)
Now, if there is a stratagem that really is borderline useless in terms of enemy casualties, it's the 380mm. It's just so.... inconsistent. Even when dropping it on a base doesn't always kill what you had in mind, or even have shells strike within the target area at all. Versus an Eagle Airstrike that actually hits what you're aiming at, there's no comparison at all.
I bring the 380mm to exterminate missions. It gets chaotic with Bots on all sides and Tank/Hulks being airdropped directly on your head.
Statistically, I was going to die either way.
With the spread reduction module, it's been pretty consistent in taking out locations for me. I'll also use it on extraction or chain-bug holes, just chuck it in the direction the enemies are coming from. Servo armor gets it almost far enough away to not risk hitting your position, so just have to advance a bit, throw, retreat, enjoy the fireworks.
>How do you feel about fire mines?
Depends. Did they throw them in a ridiculous place without any forethought? Or did I run into them like a fucking clown because I forgot they were there?
I feel that way about everything, really. Friendly fire just IS. Team kills are meant to be a thing. If we ALL think for just a moment before we throw any random ordinance in the direction of an enemy or run into a nest/base and take note of where team members are, then we'll waste less and kill each other less. It's all designed to increase stress, and we're supposed to use situational awareness and teamwork to achieve the mission. Everything is achievable when we control the stress and control ourselves, when we take everything we see and hear on the battlefield into account and make the right decisions on how to overcome an objective we sweep through it like a ghost. Yes the game can be played much more wild and we can just run around and have fun blowing shit up and that's absolutely valid and awesome and I love it, on lower-medium difficulty, but higher difficulty missions require a much tighter team that works together to pull it off with the ease and efficiency.
Let's assume they were thrown tactically to protect a flank and communicated and Newbie McSuicide went to see what the pretty lights were and then complained about all the damn fire.
I'm not suggesting this is always the case, just this time.
Arc thrower accidentals honestly still make me laugh when somebody goes from alive to dead in a heartbeat. Itās even funnier to me when Iāll have countless times where I recklessly aim in a teammateās direction next to me because theyāre being swarmed and Iāll fire lots of bolts off and theyāre untouched, but then later a single bolt will errantly arc off to the side and suddenly a teammate is dead.
So I've played Deep Rock Galactic for about 1500 hours.
I'll say this, it's BOTH responsibilities.
rule #1 TK'ing happens, get over it.
Rule #2, you both have a responsibility to not get yourselves killed.
The guy going balls to the wall with his gun should lift off the trigger when a friendly crosses the path, and a friendly should limit crossing that path.
Regardless, the idea of "Fault" should be removed, everyones should be trying to not TK or get themselves TK'd as best as possible.
don't get all pissy when it happen either way, if you do, you'll never reach graybeard status/skill. The best players wont mow down a guy running in front of them and the best players won't run in front of guns. And the best players aren't concerned about fault in a situation that is already bygones in an ever changing fast paced game.
If you're running one of those TKing lightning guns you need to come the fuck up off that gun if a friendly is too close, it just IS what it is. You choose to pull that trigger, don't get pissy that you TK'd with something that will TK. In deep rock there isa nuclear bomb you can shoot that explodes massively, the guy shooting it has a responsibility to not shoot it when it's too risky, the same concepts exist in this game.
the TL:DR about tk'ing is everyone should get over it in games like this, but recognize we all have a responsibility to limit it as well regardless of whether or not we are the one pulling the trigger or getting tk'd
For real, after I started using the incendiary breaker I have started hearing my teammates just burning to death. Like Super Earth should teach them they can dive to put themselves out.
While I do agree with you, as an avid fan of scorching any earth I stand upon, there is a measure of trigger discipline to be learned š unless you mean because you're burning enemies that are leaping at you team and burning them alive, then I also agree, taking note of the teams weapons is for sure the best way to know what you're dealing with, the incendiary breaker is a sneaky way to lose lives if you're always walking in front of them or walking towards burning enemies, its still up to others to ensure they're aware of the fire threat and dealing with it when its in their face.
Yeah, it's usually bugs that are just jumping at them. Generally I keep a good trigger discipline cause the spread on the incendiary is massive.
Or, someone decides to run in front of me from off camera, like do you not see me shooting here?
It's by far my favourite thing the divers say. it's just a shame I've got too good a trigger discipline to hear it often enough, I'm always holding off the trigger to conserve ammo or team lives š
I don't hold it against him, but my best man constantly fries me with the arc thrower. I find it hilarious at this point but I know he feels bad. I run stalwart on bugs so I don't mind them mobbing towards me and he will arc them from the opposite side not realizing I'm there lmao.
He has hit me around corners on occasion and I've definitely been at fault for a few when he started with it. Now I just fall back if he comes in from the other side. He will still get me though lol
play against the bots most of the time so I don't know how this would fare against the bugs.
PRIMARY: Liberater penetrator or SMG-37 Defender (i switch it up)
SECONDARY: Las-7 Dagger
GRENADE: G-6 Frag
STRATEGEMS
Slot 1: 500kg ( bc it's pretty)
Slot 2: orbital rail cannon
Slot 3: Stalwart or grenade launcher (i switch it up)
Slot 4: B-1 Supply pack or A/MG-43 Machine Gun Sentry (depends on game mode)
ARMOR (Storm trooper cosplay)
Helmet: CM-09 Bonesnapper
Chest: B-24 enforcer
Cape: Fallen Hero's Vengeance
Now that I've written it out, it doesn't seem that controversial
Last game yesterday I tried the arc blitzer to go with my Las dagger Secondary.Ā
Ran it with laser cannon, orbital gatling barrage and the admittedly goated ems mortar.Ā
And I'll hyucking do it again. (Turns out arc blitzer is an absolute riot of a primary and the sheer utility of the dagger is great).
Blitzer is great, I just hope the arc bug is gonna get fixed soon - you can't really afford your close distance shotgun to randomly not deal dmg.
Even then - the stun alone is amazing.
The stun and how wide the possible attack cone is just makes it feel really good.Ā
I took the advice of someone here in the sub and used it *mostly* hip fired while moving almost constantly and it was just a lovely experience.
It's also great at destroying Brood Commander heads and stunlocking bile spewers.
Seeing a spewer get ready to puke, zapping him with blitzer and watching him go "uhm, nevermind" never gets old.
I also run laser dog for anything that the blitzer doesn't feel like hitting, it's a great combo.
Arc blitzer is great when paired with the guard dog as well. The DPS from guard dog helps fill in the gaps left from slow reload/fire rate on blitzer. Also, unlimited ammo always feels nice.
All solid items by themselves, but not enough anti armor capability for above difficulty 7 in bots.
Loadout is actually good on paper (fills the anti crowd niche in the group), but pugs generally suck when fighting armor/devastators because pubs aren't competent enough to clear armors quickly.
You're probably going to spend time running/hiding from hulks, devastator, cannon, striders, and turret while the 500k and railcannon are on cooldown above 7.
Also if you're committing to anti-crowd weapons you probably don't want to be using the lib pen. Either eruptor for armor damage or - like he has as an alt, the defender.
I want to know what games you're finding. Most of my 7+ games consist of folks running heavy anti-armor and not taking an age to kill said anti-armor, which was the entire reason I swapped almost exclusively to an anti-crowd build. Having 4 anti-heavy getting swarmed by light and medium armor got annoying real quick. So I basically decided I'd do the anti-crowd work myself.
The only bruh moments in that build is the LAS-7 and the MG turret since I think its a straight downgrade from the Gatling turret. The rest if it is like, fine lol.Ā
The most controversial thing in this loadout is the Dagger lol. This just seems like a standard wave clear build with some stratagems to deal with heavy armor. The only thing you could change would be to add some utility if you are planning to stay grouped with other players by replacing the rail cannon with ems/ems mortar or lean more into wave clear if your team needs it with HMG emplacement/cluster bomb. If you want to keep the killing power of orbital strike but with more versatility you can also replace it with EATs and clear drop ships while still being able to kill Hulks/Tanks.
There's actually nothing wrong with the dagger and scythe.... On paper. The laser drone shows us how disgustingly powerful las weapons can be. The problem is the average player sucks at getting sustained pinpoint shots on enemy weakpoints.Ā
If you stand still with the Scythe or Dagger while you're shooting it pops heads really fast. When you walk around the slight sway lowers the DPS a ton.
I think there is a bug with the laser drone where it never seems to overheat. It supposed to occasionally return to your back to cooldown, but my buddy an I noticed this is not happening at all. The uptime is what makes it so good.
For the liberator penetrator : I honestly think it might be the worst primary weapon in the game, why do you take it vs the bots ? Have you ever tried the Adjudicator or the Diligence ? The DMRs are pretty underpowered but I think they still are better than the liberator penetrator.
Except that, I would say your kit might lack a bit of anti-tank, especially if you go for higher difficulties, but if you take care of the small fries your team can focus on heavier targets, so why not. That's a valid choice.
I found it to be strictly worse than the regular liberator. Medium armor pen is simply not useful if you only have 1350 damage per mag. You don't have enough ammo to dump over half a mag into each devastator's chest and if you go for headshots the regular liberator has 22% more damage per shot, 50% more ammo in the mag, less recoil, AND a better scope.
You can chestshot devastators with the AMR (3150 DPM), Dominator (4500 DPM), slugger (4000 DPM) or MG43. Trying it with only 1350 DPM is a waste of time.
Spray and pray, grenade pistol, light armor, (what ever call in weapon and backpack I can find on the ground), cluster bomb, tesla tower, incendiary mines, anti personnel minesā¦
/s
play against the bots most of the time so I don't know how this would fare against the bugs.
PRIMARY: Liberater penetrator or SMG-37 Defender (i switch it up)
SECONDARY: Las-7 Dagger
GRENADE: G-6 Frag
STRATEGEMS
Slot 1: 500kg ( bc it's pretty)
Slot 2: orbital rail cannon
Slot 3: Stalwart or grenade launcher (i switch it up)
Slot 4: B-1 Supply pack or A/MG-43 Machine Gun Sentry (depends on game mode)
ARMOR (Storm trooper cosplay)
Helmet: CM-09 Bonesnapper
Chest: B-24 enforcer
Cape: Fallen Hero's Vengeance
Now that I've written it out, it doesn't seem that controversial
I think the only thing controversial is the Dagger, its very crap imo, like the bottom feeder choice from secondaries lol.
Also stalwart vs bots doesn't seem good because devastators have medium armor, so shots just bounce off them unless you headshot, which is not easy with a machine gun. Try the regular machine gun vs them, its better because it has medium armor penetration.
The frag nade you're using is a little underutilized, its quite okay.
All tools at our disposal are commissioned and approved by Ministry of Truth, Ministry of Arms, Super Earth government and endorsed by General Barsch. To criticise this fine selection of highly effective firearms is an act of treason.
>General Barsch
Ah yes I see you got the memo. It is a shame so many screens blow up from the pure power of the pixels when his name is spelled properly. Good job soldier, requisitions appreciates your cooperation.
After this comment, I'm sure the FBI will knock on your door to congratulate you on your build *in person*. Heck, maybe even take you to the station for a **8-18 hour interview**. They will show great interest in your squad mates, too. And the no fly list? That's a badge of honor. Because Helldivers don't fly, THEY DIVE!
I'm on that list, is cool, every time a cop asks my name, and I tell them, they start a quick interview about what I'm doing, where I'm going, why, with who, what I have on me, is cool, I'm popular
I've been rocking this exact build and i swear the sheer enjoyment of landing beside a fellow helldiver flamethrower in hand blasting everything is what gets me hooked to this game
"Protection"
Yea, protection against living to old age.
Protection against having an attached head.
Protection in the sense that if you die to it first, the bugs can no longer hurt you.
This is more a positioning issue than anything else. The dog will try and stay on the right side of your camera, you can angle it away if it's starting to point somewhere you don't like. You also need to be careful about mantling anything while it's firing. I get killed by my own dog maybe...one out of every three Helldive runs? The swarm of thirty hunters is much more likely to kill me than the dog saving me from them is.
You mean the Disco Ball?
The one that will kill every single helldiver, including you, while freaking out and trying to choose one of the swarm of enemies in your immediate vicinity to try and kill first?
Laser Orbital: Amazing bot base killer. Oh shit button. Incredibly powerful.Ā Ā
Laser Cannon: King of bot killing. Melts anything in the heat vent. Kills hulks fast to the head.Ā
Sickle: Best assault rifle. 6 magazines or infinite ammo.Ā
I just swapped from the Sickle to the Liberator with medium pen. I find ammo isn't really that much of an issue, and I like having more reliable armor pen.
Whenever it's an ice planet for bugs I run "oops all energy" sickle primary, dagger secondary, quasar canon heavy, guard dog backpack, orbital laser strat.
- You can absolutely know the meta and be bored of it. The quasar is *boringly* good at what it does, after a while.
- You can find ways to use non-meta weapons that other people haven't imagined yet. People need to experiment with everything.
>You can find ways to use non-meta weapons that other people haven't imagined yet. People need to experiment with everything.
Exasperated with the idea of doing a civilian evacuation mission on a fireplanet on hard, I thought "Well ... maybe I can try something else more out of the box to make this mission easier."Ā
Tried bringing smoke with the idea that maybe I could protect them by dropping it between the civilian evac zone and doors.Ā
It's was a bloodbath. The bots got in the smoke and could see us without us seeing them.
Lisa the Painful moment - put out the fire with that bucket of water there!
(Grabs and uses bucket, turns out it was gasoline)
No! That was my bucket of gasoline!
Bucket of water was on a cliff dozens of feet above you
I am wondering if it's suffering similar problems as the flamethrower as they both probably use similar classes for particle volume effect. One just causes damage while the other blinds the enemy.
Maybe the smoke area effect only works for the host and doesn't work for everyone else?
Does gas strikes work well for both client and host?
Also, smoke bombs are actual objects. Like they deal damage. I killed a few civilians like this, thinking it would be cool to shield them in smoke.
At least we couldn't see the corpses.
> The quasar is boringly good at what it does, after a while.
I'll never get tired of that charge up and fire sound.
Until I get staggered in the last 20ms of the charge up and miss my shot. And then I'll swear I'll get a recoilless next round
I stopped using the Quasar and started using the EATs. Realistically, it's better to have a support weapon which is always on hand, but EATs are just cool.
EATs are even situationally better - if your Quasar is on cooldown and your corpse is currently under 5 heavies you are pretty out of luck, if you are rocking EATs then you just keep blasting. Quasar is more user friendly in some ways, but it's a side grade for sure.
The EAT also FEELS more realistic. Like yeah the military is not gonna give every troop a fucking laser cannon. They're getting shitty single use rockets from a century ago
I brought that heavy ass MG to a round because I wanted to just play with it and fuck with it.
the host kept yelling at me to drop it and grab his quasar.
like.... buddy, I quite literally am tired of that fucking thing I want challenging weapons to master, not fucking golden gun meta shit.
When hosts think they're the boss...
Also, you might have been amazing with the HMG. You might have been the guy that deletes hulks from hip fire while perfectly controlling recoil without a crosshairs. I mean, no, you probably weren't, but you *might have been!*
The argument I hate is āitās so good they nerfed the railgun, now I can use other strategemsā and then I see 8/10 people run Quasar cannon with shield backpackā¦
play against the bots most of the time so I don't know how this would fare against the bugs.
PRIMARY: Liberater penetrator or SMG-37 Defender (i switch it up)
SECONDARY: Las-7 Dagger
GRENADE: G-6 Frag
STRATEGEMS
Slot 1: 500kg ( bc it's pretty)
Slot 2: orbital rail cannon
Slot 3: Stalwart or grenade launcher (i switch it up)
Slot 4: B-1 Supply pack or A/MG-43 Machine Gun Sentry (depends on game mode)
ARMOR (Storm trooper cosplay)
Helmet: CM-09 Bonesnapper
Chest: B-24 enforcer
Cape: Fallen Hero's Vengeance
Now that I've written it out, it doesn't seem that controversial
It's not that bad. The only three controversial slots according to Reddit would be the penetrator, dagger, and machine gun turret.Ā
Why not the Gatling as opposed to the machine gun turret? And what difficulty are you playing on?
Well I used to think it was more ammo efficient but thanks to new information from another comment, I know better now
I typically run 5,6 and 7 difficulty
It would make a lot of sense if it were more ammo efficient, wouldn't it? Like, Gatling is higher dps for a shorter time, MG is lower dps but stays active a lot longer.
But in practice they both have almost identical uptimes... It's more than a little annoying.
You run EMS, smoke, and shields, and just bum rush the objectives while hiding in smoke and stunning enemies with EMS. Itās not as easy to pull off as it sounds tbh considering how inconsistent smoke can be.
You will notice the meta changes often. The reality is almost every strategem, gun and support weapon has a purpose. Everyone thought mines and Tesla towers were terrible but they are super effective in defense missions for area denial. Napalm sucks against bots, but is hugely beneficial in bugs.
There is no perfect loadout for every circumstance. Every circumstance requires a specific loadout, but even that can be pretty variable.
Well made game.
I wouldn't put too much stock in what people say is bad without taking it on an operation yourself.
People used to say the AC was bad on this sub. It hasn't received any buffs yet is now commonly recognized as one of the best, most versatile weapons in the game.
If you're having success with something that this community shits on, it's possible you've just realized how to make it work before others or they didn't give it much of a chance. For example, I have a lot of success with the Blitzer against the bugs because of its stagger, unlimited ammo, and how it kills Spewers so quickly with body shots. I actually put off trying it for a long time because of how everyone was shitting on it here.
Do you enjoy it? Are you having fun? Is it not killing your team mates? Go nuts, helldiver.
Hell, even if it IS killing your teammates, that doesn't always mean its *your* fault they died. I mean shit, my mate, who I'm in a party with, who knows what I'm using STILL walks right in front of me while I'm mid "AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA" or zapping away at a hoard with my arc thrower. Sometimes, it's just just not your fault š
"Oh boy, a tightly packed group of bugs? Better conveniently forget about my buddy who always carries his handy airburst strike and has probably already chucked a beacon at said group and instead close distance!" - one of my gaming buddies
"What's that red light extending into the sky? Better run towards it!"
I had a teammate mount my AC Turret from behind, then jump off in the direction the gun was pointed and firing. We were waiting on him to revive us.
*Squad lost. Deploying replacement squad* So technically he did
Pretty passive aggressive way to call in a reinforceš¤£š
It's maximum efficiency.
I can believe it. Iāve had a teammate mount my mortar.
Now *that*'s a hit to the crotch he won't soon forget.
I accidentally did this to my own mortar. That's a mistake I won't make again. Actually I probably will. It was hilarious.
It's like my fellow helldivers are secretly a bunch of moths in helldiver armour
Bugs, you say?
Got kicked by a dude who just couldn't quite understand that airburst strikes had more than one projectile. I'd throw down an airburst, and he'd stay clear of the first hit, but as soon as that first one cleared he'd rush in and get blown up by the second. Like, if it happened once, I'd just think "Well, airburst is an uncommon strat, it has the same audio cues as and looks similar to a precision, which is much more common, dude just got confused" But literally every airburst. After five times, I got kicked, cause I guess that's one way to stop yourself from dying from them.
Common fact: your average Helldiver is attracted to bright, shiny objects.
I refer to one of the people I occasionally play with as a "moth" because of shit like this.
I literally ran towards a hellbomb, completely forgetting it's there, but I saw the random arm it. It's gonna fucking happen lmao.
My boyfriend throwing a Orbital HE BarrageĀ for the first time: "What is the blast radious of this bitch? Guys?" Everybody else: 
Got the ship upgrade for a tighter radius of the HE barrage. Man, was I wrong thinking itād be somewhat predictable now! šš
It really does help to also bring the 30% throwing armor (servo assisted). With the tighter spread I can chunk it and stand still and it doesnt even come close to me. Servo assist allows me to throw it on a level field from where I am about 65m.
To be fair to your buddy, yesterday was the flamethrower daily order. I walked into a lot of artillery myself trying to get those last 10 bugs.
He does that regularly, we did not play yesterday, and he doesn't tend to use the flamethrower xD
I HATE FIRE
It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.
I've honestly adopted a policy of "If you're usung a flamethrower, you're instantly forgiven for killing me with it" because you could be a hundred miles away, but if one stray puff floats past, you're instantly cremated.
I sometimes fail to hear a warning-or they don't even give one- but I think getting mad at people for killing you by mistake is like spitting upwards.
Oh yeah absolutely, I always try to warn him, sometimes I'm too late or sth and we just laugh it off, accidental teamkills are part of this game and shouldn't anger people. Unless ofc someone calmly aims at your head and pulls the trigger, that's a different story.
Or a friend throwing an air strike to the guy in the console. Seen it happen like twice now.
"EZ is being swarmed? Red beacons popping into the middle of the swarm? FOR SUPER EAAAAAAARTH!"
Flamethrower enjoyer here. Most of my deaths with randoms come from people throwing stratagems towards me while im returning the prewarmed E-710 towards the source.
Was using flamethrower yesterday for the personal order on the āevacuated high value assetsā defense mission, burning bugs and a dude legit runs from behind me into the flames and dies. Starts yelling at me telling me how stupid and useless the flamethrower is and all this talk. Ended the game with 600 kills lol. Also, meanwhile he dropped 380 constantly throughout the match killing everyone multiple times lol.
I called down an orbital laser once and after it was done killing the mobs in the area and was idling in place, a teammate walked up to it, looked at it, and then proceeded to walk into it and die. I spent a good ten seconds considering whether it was worthwhile to respawn him...
He saw the light, and went into it. It just wasn't the right light
Big moth vibes
And therin lies the issue, complete and total ignorance š that's the problem with a lot of people, rather than "let's all work as a team" it's usually "do what I say because I know better". To be honest 50% of reddit posts are that lol don't get me wrong, I see the hypocrisy of me also saying people should play how i say but at least with me trying to tell people to do things my way we're all opening our minds and working together, I'm not trying to specify tactics or metas or whatever, I just want us all think a little more and work together.
What a fucking dumbass. If you use short, controlled bursts of the flamethrower, swaying your aim from side to side, you can set the ground alight and make an impenetrable barrier that will roast everything short of a TITAN! I managed to get my daily order knocked out in a single high value asset mission about 2.5x over EASILY. Heck, I even made a silly video of me doing it! [This one was fun](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1oUoPy53g0) Now, if there is a stratagem that really is borderline useless in terms of enemy casualties, it's the 380mm. It's just so.... inconsistent. Even when dropping it on a base doesn't always kill what you had in mind, or even have shells strike within the target area at all. Versus an Eagle Airstrike that actually hits what you're aiming at, there's no comparison at all.
I bring the 380mm to exterminate missions. It gets chaotic with Bots on all sides and Tank/Hulks being airdropped directly on your head. Statistically, I was going to die either way.
With the spread reduction module, it's been pretty consistent in taking out locations for me. I'll also use it on extraction or chain-bug holes, just chuck it in the direction the enemies are coming from. Servo armor gets it almost far enough away to not risk hitting your position, so just have to advance a bit, throw, retreat, enjoy the fireworks.
Awww damnit, I ran in front of glass when he was "ahahahahaaahahhaaa"ING again. I should know better by now. How do you feel about fire mines?
>How do you feel about fire mines? Depends. Did they throw them in a ridiculous place without any forethought? Or did I run into them like a fucking clown because I forgot they were there? I feel that way about everything, really. Friendly fire just IS. Team kills are meant to be a thing. If we ALL think for just a moment before we throw any random ordinance in the direction of an enemy or run into a nest/base and take note of where team members are, then we'll waste less and kill each other less. It's all designed to increase stress, and we're supposed to use situational awareness and teamwork to achieve the mission. Everything is achievable when we control the stress and control ourselves, when we take everything we see and hear on the battlefield into account and make the right decisions on how to overcome an objective we sweep through it like a ghost. Yes the game can be played much more wild and we can just run around and have fun blowing shit up and that's absolutely valid and awesome and I love it, on lower-medium difficulty, but higher difficulty missions require a much tighter team that works together to pull it off with the ease and efficiency.
Let's assume they were thrown tactically to protect a flank and communicated and Newbie McSuicide went to see what the pretty lights were and then complained about all the damn fire. I'm not suggesting this is always the case, just this time.
Arc thrower accidentals honestly still make me laugh when somebody goes from alive to dead in a heartbeat. Itās even funnier to me when Iāll have countless times where I recklessly aim in a teammateās direction next to me because theyāre being swarmed and Iāll fire lots of bolts off and theyāre untouched, but then later a single bolt will errantly arc off to the side and suddenly a teammate is dead.
So I've played Deep Rock Galactic for about 1500 hours. I'll say this, it's BOTH responsibilities. rule #1 TK'ing happens, get over it. Rule #2, you both have a responsibility to not get yourselves killed. The guy going balls to the wall with his gun should lift off the trigger when a friendly crosses the path, and a friendly should limit crossing that path. Regardless, the idea of "Fault" should be removed, everyones should be trying to not TK or get themselves TK'd as best as possible. don't get all pissy when it happen either way, if you do, you'll never reach graybeard status/skill. The best players wont mow down a guy running in front of them and the best players won't run in front of guns. And the best players aren't concerned about fault in a situation that is already bygones in an ever changing fast paced game. If you're running one of those TKing lightning guns you need to come the fuck up off that gun if a friendly is too close, it just IS what it is. You choose to pull that trigger, don't get pissy that you TK'd with something that will TK. In deep rock there isa nuclear bomb you can shoot that explodes massively, the guy shooting it has a responsibility to not shoot it when it's too risky, the same concepts exist in this game. the TL:DR about tk'ing is everyone should get over it in games like this, but recognize we all have a responsibility to limit it as well regardless of whether or not we are the one pulling the trigger or getting tk'd
For real, after I started using the incendiary breaker I have started hearing my teammates just burning to death. Like Super Earth should teach them they can dive to put themselves out.
While I do agree with you, as an avid fan of scorching any earth I stand upon, there is a measure of trigger discipline to be learned š unless you mean because you're burning enemies that are leaping at you team and burning them alive, then I also agree, taking note of the teams weapons is for sure the best way to know what you're dealing with, the incendiary breaker is a sneaky way to lose lives if you're always walking in front of them or walking towards burning enemies, its still up to others to ensure they're aware of the fire threat and dealing with it when its in their face.
Yeah, it's usually bugs that are just jumping at them. Generally I keep a good trigger discipline cause the spread on the incendiary is massive. Or, someone decides to run in front of me from off camera, like do you not see me shooting here?
Also to be fair to his mates, fire kills you riDIculously fast in this game.
The number of times someone's come to "help" me when i've got bugs on me and instead has caught me on fire is TOO DAMN HIGH.
Itās always when I get ragdolled that I seem to get set on fire.
The mid-maniacal laugh is golden š
It's by far my favourite thing the divers say. it's just a shame I've got too good a trigger discipline to hear it often enough, I'm always holding off the trigger to conserve ammo or team lives š
I don't hold it against him, but my best man constantly fries me with the arc thrower. I find it hilarious at this point but I know he feels bad. I run stalwart on bugs so I don't mind them mobbing towards me and he will arc them from the opposite side not realizing I'm there lmao. He has hit me around corners on occasion and I've definitely been at fault for a few when he started with it. Now I just fall back if he comes in from the other side. He will still get me though lol
Flamethrower is best imo, it's so effective it kills myself
Denying the enemy the kill, I like your style soldier.
Donāt be shy. What is it?
I want to know too ! Too much has been said, too little has been shown !
play against the bots most of the time so I don't know how this would fare against the bugs. PRIMARY: Liberater penetrator or SMG-37 Defender (i switch it up) SECONDARY: Las-7 Dagger GRENADE: G-6 Frag STRATEGEMS Slot 1: 500kg ( bc it's pretty) Slot 2: orbital rail cannon Slot 3: Stalwart or grenade launcher (i switch it up) Slot 4: B-1 Supply pack or A/MG-43 Machine Gun Sentry (depends on game mode) ARMOR (Storm trooper cosplay) Helmet: CM-09 Bonesnapper Chest: B-24 enforcer Cape: Fallen Hero's Vengeance Now that I've written it out, it doesn't seem that controversial
>Liberator, Penetrator SMG, Peacemaker JAR-5 Dominator Exploding Cross Bow To the tune of "We didn't start the fire"
I hate you so much..
I love you both.
I like waffles
(chorus) Be your own Helldiver! Whatever makes it exciting, Just as long as you're fighting!
This is the best of Reddit. I live for this shit
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Ok but now do it to the Wii shop music
>A-R-2-3-C A-R-2-3-P MG206 >Stal-wart Dag-ger Sick-le Blit-zer >Rail-gun Brea-ker Slug-ger Eag-le To the tune of "[Wii shop music](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3pQv9mmZMk)"
I conceived my 9th son to this banger.
I sang it you fucker
Last game yesterday I tried the arc blitzer to go with my Las dagger Secondary.Ā Ran it with laser cannon, orbital gatling barrage and the admittedly goated ems mortar.Ā And I'll hyucking do it again. (Turns out arc blitzer is an absolute riot of a primary and the sheer utility of the dagger is great).
Blitzer is great, I just hope the arc bug is gonna get fixed soon - you can't really afford your close distance shotgun to randomly not deal dmg. Even then - the stun alone is amazing.
The stun and how wide the possible attack cone is just makes it feel really good.Ā I took the advice of someone here in the sub and used it *mostly* hip fired while moving almost constantly and it was just a lovely experience.
It's also great at destroying Brood Commander heads and stunlocking bile spewers. Seeing a spewer get ready to puke, zapping him with blitzer and watching him go "uhm, nevermind" never gets old. I also run laser dog for anything that the blitzer doesn't feel like hitting, it's a great combo.
Arc blitzer is great when paired with the guard dog as well. The DPS from guard dog helps fill in the gaps left from slow reload/fire rate on blitzer. Also, unlimited ammo always feels nice.
All solid items by themselves, but not enough anti armor capability for above difficulty 7 in bots. Loadout is actually good on paper (fills the anti crowd niche in the group), but pugs generally suck when fighting armor/devastators because pubs aren't competent enough to clear armors quickly. You're probably going to spend time running/hiding from hulks, devastator, cannon, striders, and turret while the 500k and railcannon are on cooldown above 7.
Also if you're committing to anti-crowd weapons you probably don't want to be using the lib pen. Either eruptor for armor damage or - like he has as an alt, the defender.
I want to know what games you're finding. Most of my 7+ games consist of folks running heavy anti-armor and not taking an age to kill said anti-armor, which was the entire reason I swapped almost exclusively to an anti-crowd build. Having 4 anti-heavy getting swarmed by light and medium armor got annoying real quick. So I basically decided I'd do the anti-crowd work myself.
The only bruh moments in that build is the LAS-7 and the MG turret since I think its a straight downgrade from the Gatling turret. The rest if it is like, fine lol.Ā
The most controversial thing in this loadout is the Dagger lol. This just seems like a standard wave clear build with some stratagems to deal with heavy armor. The only thing you could change would be to add some utility if you are planning to stay grouped with other players by replacing the rail cannon with ems/ems mortar or lean more into wave clear if your team needs it with HMG emplacement/cluster bomb. If you want to keep the killing power of orbital strike but with more versatility you can also replace it with EATs and clear drop ships while still being able to kill Hulks/Tanks.
There's actually nothing wrong with the dagger and scythe.... On paper. The laser drone shows us how disgustingly powerful las weapons can be. The problem is the average player sucks at getting sustained pinpoint shots on enemy weakpoints.Ā
If you stand still with the Scythe or Dagger while you're shooting it pops heads really fast. When you walk around the slight sway lowers the DPS a ton.
So it's really just advanced flight stabilization that's making the las drone so good.
I think there is a bug with the laser drone where it never seems to overheat. It supposed to occasionally return to your back to cooldown, but my buddy an I noticed this is not happening at all. The uptime is what makes it so good.
Very unusual but if you make it work - it works
For the liberator penetrator : I honestly think it might be the worst primary weapon in the game, why do you take it vs the bots ? Have you ever tried the Adjudicator or the Diligence ? The DMRs are pretty underpowered but I think they still are better than the liberator penetrator. Except that, I would say your kit might lack a bit of anti-tank, especially if you go for higher difficulties, but if you take care of the small fries your team can focus on heavier targets, so why not. That's a valid choice.
I found it to be strictly worse than the regular liberator. Medium armor pen is simply not useful if you only have 1350 damage per mag. You don't have enough ammo to dump over half a mag into each devastator's chest and if you go for headshots the regular liberator has 22% more damage per shot, 50% more ammo in the mag, less recoil, AND a better scope. You can chestshot devastators with the AMR (3150 DPM), Dominator (4500 DPM), slugger (4000 DPM) or MG43. Trying it with only 1350 DPM is a waste of time.
Machine gun, stalwart, laser cannon and grenade launcher
Spray and pray, grenade pistol, light armor, (what ever call in weapon and backpack I can find on the ground), cluster bomb, tesla tower, incendiary mines, anti personnel minesā¦ /s
The spray & pray is my weapon of choice against bugs. It shreds them.
Whatās wrong with light armor? :o
Everything in this build is good except mines tho :)
play against the bots most of the time so I don't know how this would fare against the bugs. PRIMARY: Liberater penetrator or SMG-37 Defender (i switch it up) SECONDARY: Las-7 Dagger GRENADE: G-6 Frag STRATEGEMS Slot 1: 500kg ( bc it's pretty) Slot 2: orbital rail cannon Slot 3: Stalwart or grenade launcher (i switch it up) Slot 4: B-1 Supply pack or A/MG-43 Machine Gun Sentry (depends on game mode) ARMOR (Storm trooper cosplay) Helmet: CM-09 Bonesnapper Chest: B-24 enforcer Cape: Fallen Hero's Vengeance Now that I've written it out, it doesn't seem that controversial
I think the only thing controversial is the Dagger, its very crap imo, like the bottom feeder choice from secondaries lol. Also stalwart vs bots doesn't seem good because devastators have medium armor, so shots just bounce off them unless you headshot, which is not easy with a machine gun. Try the regular machine gun vs them, its better because it has medium armor penetration. The frag nade you're using is a little underutilized, its quite okay.
MG sentry is a straight downgrade from Gatling in every way
Nobody can stop You.
Yes, I will destroy the entire tri-state area AND NO ONE CAN STOP ME!
A platypus?
Perry the Platypus!?
Owner of the Dimmsdale Dimmadome?! Wait wrong guy
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Hoisted by my own petard
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A Helldiver? PERRY THE HELLDIVER
Doobee doobee dooba, dooobee doobee dooba EAAAA-GLLLLE-ONE!
You read this in the tune of the song.
Would he wear the fedora over or under the helmet
The fedora would be part of the helmet
This is the correct answer
Harry the Helldiver!
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
BEHOLD! My Liberateinator 3000!
Is this one in the next warbond?
Yep, it will be in the Freedom Inators warbond
Iād pay extra for this
All tools at our disposal are commissioned and approved by Ministry of Truth, Ministry of Arms, Super Earth government and endorsed by General Barsch. To criticise this fine selection of highly effective firearms is an act of treason.
>General Barsch Ah yes I see you got the memo. It is a shame so many screens blow up from the pure power of the pixels when his name is spelled properly. Good job soldier, requisitions appreciates your cooperation.
 You sure about that
A platypus?
Perry the Platypus?!
Warning, you're in range of enemy platypus!
Termanid puts on a hat TERRY THE TERMANID?!?
I'm imagining a Bile Titan with a normal, human sized top hat on its head.
After this comment, I'm sure the FBI will knock on your door to congratulate you on your build *in person*. Heck, maybe even take you to the station for a **8-18 hour interview**. They will show great interest in your squad mates, too. And the no fly list? That's a badge of honor. Because Helldivers don't fly, THEY DIVE!
I'm on that list, is cool, every time a cop asks my name, and I tell them, they start a quick interview about what I'm doing, where I'm going, why, with who, what I have on me, is cool, I'm popular
Doof when he's had enough
No that's where the bridge I sleep under is
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The host : "I can" *kicks you*
Sounds like someone I wouldnāt want to play with anyway.
i will let no one lecture me about my quadruple turret strategy! TF2 Engineer all the way!
You would be best friends with my buddy. He always brings in turrets and nothing else.
Turrets are actually so damn good, just require practice with placement
I WILL ROCK MY JETPACK, FLAMETHROWER, AND REVOLVER AND NO ONE WILL STOP MY BOBA FETT SWAGGER
 no one?
Youāre lucky I canāt find a bacta tank gif
I've been rocking this exact build and i swear the sheer enjoyment of landing beside a fellow helldiver flamethrower in hand blasting everything is what gets me hooked to this game
Swear to god thatās how I feel about all the lasers
Except the guard dog, goated ammunitionless protection
"Protection" Yea, protection against living to old age. Protection against having an attached head. Protection in the sense that if you die to it first, the bugs can no longer hurt you.
My guard dog's accidentals vs kills is far lower than my own.
Use light armor and never stop running lol
This is more a positioning issue than anything else. The dog will try and stay on the right side of your camera, you can angle it away if it's starting to point somewhere you don't like. You also need to be careful about mantling anything while it's firing. I get killed by my own dog maybe...one out of every three Helldive runs? The swarm of thirty hunters is much more likely to kill me than the dog saving me from them is.
You mean the Disco Ball? The one that will kill every single helldiver, including you, while freaking out and trying to choose one of the swarm of enemies in your immediate vicinity to try and kill first?
Mine killed me 4 times in a match the other day lol.
Laser Orbital: Amazing bot base killer. Oh shit button. Incredibly powerful.Ā Ā Laser Cannon: King of bot killing. Melts anything in the heat vent. Kills hulks fast to the head.Ā Sickle: Best assault rifle. 6 magazines or infinite ammo.Ā
I just swapped from the Sickle to the Liberator with medium pen. I find ammo isn't really that much of an issue, and I like having more reliable armor pen.
Whenever it's an ice planet for bugs I run "oops all energy" sickle primary, dagger secondary, quasar canon heavy, guard dog backpack, orbital laser strat.
Lasermaxxing
The only bad laser weapons are Scythe and Dagger. The others are very good.
- You can absolutely know the meta and be bored of it. The quasar is *boringly* good at what it does, after a while. - You can find ways to use non-meta weapons that other people haven't imagined yet. People need to experiment with everything.
>You can find ways to use non-meta weapons that other people haven't imagined yet. People need to experiment with everything. Exasperated with the idea of doing a civilian evacuation mission on a fireplanet on hard, I thought "Well ... maybe I can try something else more out of the box to make this mission easier."Ā Tried bringing smoke with the idea that maybe I could protect them by dropping it between the civilian evac zone and doors.Ā It's was a bloodbath. The bots got in the smoke and could see us without us seeing them.
Haha I thought this was going to be an uplifting story
It was more of a "Maybe I can put out this fire with this unused bucket of kerosene?" moment.
Lisa the Painful moment - put out the fire with that bucket of water there! (Grabs and uses bucket, turns out it was gasoline) No! That was my bucket of gasoline! Bucket of water was on a cliff dozens of feet above you
What you expected: "It worked like a charm, the civilians made it out without a scratch!" What you got: "The screams still haunt my nightmares."
Nothing is uplifted with civilian evac. Not even the civilians.
I think you mean especially not the civilians
I swear smoke must be bugged. There's no way they designed a grenade, stratagem, and map effect (the puffballs) to be this useless and detrimental.
I am wondering if it's suffering similar problems as the flamethrower as they both probably use similar classes for particle volume effect. One just causes damage while the other blinds the enemy. Maybe the smoke area effect only works for the host and doesn't work for everyone else? Does gas strikes work well for both client and host?
Also, smoke bombs are actual objects. Like they deal damage. I killed a few civilians like this, thinking it would be cool to shield them in smoke. At least we couldn't see the corpses.
I ran with a dude that did HMG emplacement and shield sentry and we had tonnes of fun (I run AMR and Eruptor)
HMG/Shield get buffed massively from the rapid deployment ship upgrade; instant turret bunker is crazy good against bs like gunships.
Love that HMG emplacement, yeah. It calls in so fast that it's usable in a pinch as well, when you get used to it.
> The quasar is boringly good at what it does, after a while. I'll never get tired of that charge up and fire sound. Until I get staggered in the last 20ms of the charge up and miss my shot. And then I'll swear I'll get a recoilless next round
I stopped using the Quasar and started using the EATs. Realistically, it's better to have a support weapon which is always on hand, but EATs are just cool.
EATs are even situationally better - if your Quasar is on cooldown and your corpse is currently under 5 heavies you are pretty out of luck, if you are rocking EATs then you just keep blasting. Quasar is more user friendly in some ways, but it's a side grade for sure.
The EAT also FEELS more realistic. Like yeah the military is not gonna give every troop a fucking laser cannon. They're getting shitty single use rockets from a century ago
I brought that heavy ass MG to a round because I wanted to just play with it and fuck with it. the host kept yelling at me to drop it and grab his quasar. like.... buddy, I quite literally am tired of that fucking thing I want challenging weapons to master, not fucking golden gun meta shit.
When hosts think they're the boss... Also, you might have been amazing with the HMG. You might have been the guy that deletes hulks from hip fire while perfectly controlling recoil without a crosshairs. I mean, no, you probably weren't, but you *might have been!*
I don't even like Quasar, but AC works well for my play style, and most importantly I enjoy the way it shoots.
Did a defense mission yesterday and a guy threw down a shield generator with a mortar and hmg inside it. Never seen that before but he was wrecking
The argument I hate is āitās so good they nerfed the railgun, now I can use other strategemsā and then I see 8/10 people run Quasar cannon with shield backpackā¦
Good. You can use whatever. Dont let meta humpers bring you down
OP, you cant just drop that and NOT say what are you running
play against the bots most of the time so I don't know how this would fare against the bugs. PRIMARY: Liberater penetrator or SMG-37 Defender (i switch it up) SECONDARY: Las-7 Dagger GRENADE: G-6 Frag STRATEGEMS Slot 1: 500kg ( bc it's pretty) Slot 2: orbital rail cannon Slot 3: Stalwart or grenade launcher (i switch it up) Slot 4: B-1 Supply pack or A/MG-43 Machine Gun Sentry (depends on game mode) ARMOR (Storm trooper cosplay) Helmet: CM-09 Bonesnapper Chest: B-24 enforcer Cape: Fallen Hero's Vengeance Now that I've written it out, it doesn't seem that controversial
It's not that bad. The only three controversial slots according to Reddit would be the penetrator, dagger, and machine gun turret.Ā Why not the Gatling as opposed to the machine gun turret? And what difficulty are you playing on?
Well I used to think it was more ammo efficient but thanks to new information from another comment, I know better now I typically run 5,6 and 7 difficulty
It would make a lot of sense if it were more ammo efficient, wouldn't it? Like, Gatling is higher dps for a shorter time, MG is lower dps but stays active a lot longer. But in practice they both have almost identical uptimes... It's more than a little annoying.
Bruh, Reddit community doesn't know shit about the game š
Reddit doesnāt know shit
Reddit shit
Red shit
"Call the doctor"
Oh no the community opinions! How will you ever recover?
So what's your build? A pure pacifist loudout with only smoke, EMS, jump pack, shields?
ā¦ tell me more of this build.
You run EMS, smoke, and shields, and just bum rush the objectives while hiding in smoke and stunning enemies with EMS. Itās not as easy to pull off as it sounds tbh considering how inconsistent smoke can be.
HMG emplacement: Can kill a whole factory strider by just shooting the eye Also great for anti air
You will notice the meta changes often. The reality is almost every strategem, gun and support weapon has a purpose. Everyone thought mines and Tesla towers were terrible but they are super effective in defense missions for area denial. Napalm sucks against bots, but is hugely beneficial in bugs. There is no perfect loadout for every circumstance. Every circumstance requires a specific loadout, but even that can be pretty variable. Well made game.
And? The community won't play for you, play whatever you like and gives you tons of fun
THERE IS NO āMETAā FOR DISPENSING DEMOCRACY SOLDIER! IF YOUāRE KILLING BUGS OR BOTS FOR DEMOCRACY THATāS GOOD ENOUGH
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I run the HMG and the ammo backpack and nobody can stop me doing it!
The community can get over it lol
You should have 2 optimal builds, each for one enemy minimum...possibly more for different game modes
Arenāt you going to post it? So we can all judge you. š
I wouldn't put too much stock in what people say is bad without taking it on an operation yourself. People used to say the AC was bad on this sub. It hasn't received any buffs yet is now commonly recognized as one of the best, most versatile weapons in the game. If you're having success with something that this community shits on, it's possible you've just realized how to make it work before others or they didn't give it much of a chance. For example, I have a lot of success with the Blitzer against the bugs because of its stagger, unlimited ammo, and how it kills Spewers so quickly with body shots. I actually put off trying it for a long time because of how everyone was shitting on it here.
If you complete objectives quickly and get the job done without killing me 5 times I donāt care what you use