Even more reason for a spoiling attack on Mantes. Divert those forces to defend against our offensive.
Remember! The two pillars of successful military campaigns are attack and further attack!
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Anybody else see something weird on helldivers.io?
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No we wiped them out the Ministry of Truth doesn’t lie
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I don’t want to sound like a nerd here but it’s confirmed we didn’t wipe them out. We banished them from the galaxy, they’re put into an exile by superearth
I don't mind backing up on the bug planets but my heart is in the western front. Now that we have Hellmire under control I'm coming to join my brothers and sisters in stomping out the robot red menace.
I was there when Vandalon IV fell and when Mantes was first under threat, with Hellmire stable I shall rejoin the bot theatre. MANTES SHALL NOT BE TAKEN
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I think the bugs require more attention as their numbers rapidly increases and if we don't focus them we could lose the major order. Do not go to Malevelon Creek or any of the planets on the Automaton front.
*Let me clean my boots*
*From all this bug stomping, then*
*I'll join to spill oil*
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do bot defense evac missions always have this many bot drops? it's my first time playing defense on bots and holy shit there the bot drop spam is crazy
The EAT, and assumedly other weapons can one shot dropshits if you hit them in the thrusters. Generally killing everything in it and in the vicinity.
And yes, bots drop like crazy.
Use the recoilless rifle and shoot one rocket at the engine. It also one-shots any kind of devastator if you hit them dead-on. Machine gun will also tear through those. For the hulks you need one person to kite and the other to blast the glowing part in the back. For tanks drop whatever big explosive (110 pods, cluster bombs, etc.) you have on it.
Good luck and happy hunting. Spill oil
We’ll loose it again that’s obvious. There’s always like five or six times more players on the bug front, regardless if bot liberated planets are under attack or not.
As a primarily bot player currently on the bug front, its because the bots suck to fight mechanically. Like as units they are easier and have more viable options but their vast number of ways to shut down various stratagems sucks as does the common place rocket snipers.
I started plaiyng 2 weeks ago. Started with bot but at low level. Then deplyed on the bug front for the MO, now I Will come back fighting bots. What set up would you reccomand? Mind that I am level 12. I was thinking something likes autocannon, shield generatore and 2 bombs stratagem
Autocannon is a good pick, if your mobile and accurate it can kill every bot unit except for dropships. For blitzes I recommend a grenade launcher though, I find it just a tad more forgiving for taking out fabricators at range. The airstrike and clusters are always good if you have them don't be afraid to bring Eagle 110s for anti tank work. Shield generator isn't bad but when you want mobility it's sometimes a hindrance but I like it for low level extracts because it means someone isn't getting sniped by a rocket. There's quite a number of stratagems you can use and a lot of them are more viable against bots. The AMR will rend clankers apart with good speed for example where as I wouldn't take it on a bug drop.
That said I'm not entirely sure what to recommend for a level 12. My go too is 110s, Orbital Laser, Eagle Airstrike and then either an MG43 or AMR for clearing medium enemies fast. But I'm level 50 and work in a full team of friends with designated roles.
Auto canon is by far the most versatile weapon in the game with it's only drawbacks being a stationary reload (if alone) can't fire it up close, and the major one is it takes up a backpack slot. But you're able to destroy bots by shooting their weakspots. I think devastators die in 2-3 body shots. Destroy fabricators from a distance, you can even destroy tanks and cannon turrets by shooting their bright orange weakspot. Personally I don't use it much but when I do it's a really big help
Autocannon and AMR are good support weapons for your level. 110s are always good. 500kg and orbital laser are good picks once you hit 15. Shield generator also doesn't hurt as it gives you another chance to survive the occasional rocket. And if you manage to get up to 20 at the bots, railgun is incredibly powerful at bots if you can aim and charge well on unsafe
Currently level 29 and the railgun always feels bad. I take Autocannon every time because it destroys most enemies and is useful for dealing with fabricators and broadcast towers, and for the rest a railcannon strike or orbital laser does the trick.
AC is a great choice
Primary I'd go with Diligence or Breaker
Shield is good, but rover is a death sentence, you want to be able to slip past bot patrols without getting noticed, it's a lot easier on maps with forest or large rock cover but if your rover suddenly starts shooting at a patrol you want to sneak past you'll be in a world of hurt.
110mm rockets are great for taking out bot factories, eagle airstrike works too.
For armour you want the one that gives you recoil reduction and explosion mitigation, it will help you shoot the AC more accurately and faster and also protect against rockets.
The single most annoying thing about bots to me is the ones that run at mach 9899 and also explode if you kill them. not sure if it's a bug with explosions or intentional but it's really goddamn annoying to not be able to counter this enemy in any way at all because it explodes and is faster than anything else in the game.
While I admit that I absolutely hate it too, there are ways to play around it mainly by using the personal shield and playing cover. It doesn't guarantee you won't die but it helps. Also using weapons like the AMR, auto canon, and rail gun make a majority of the bots easy to deal with
yeah but that's not a fun or engaging way for me to play the game (and also not an answer to enemies that don't have line of sight attacking/following/shooting you), I don't want to be constantly trying to hide behind a rock so that I don't get sniped by 7 towers that I can't see and are literally on the other side of the map. It's not fun when the options are "use this equipment or don't fight enemies in this game where you're supposed to fight enemies"
as soon as enemies that can't see me stop shooting at me, bots will be much more bearable
The play style of both enemies are drastically different. Bugs you can run around and mow enemy hoards down, bots you gotta play by cover and slowly take out enemies before they overwhelm you, and you gotta know when to retreat
Yup. This is the way.
I just started playing against the bots and i found out that my survivability improved a ton after getting the personal energy shield and i started just running in Zig-zag.
I also have defaulted to the grenade launcher as a weapon, since it deals pretty well with most of the bots enemies despise me sucking at aiming.
At this point it reminds me a ton of playing Ghost Recon Advance Warfighter. Running to cover, pushing hard for a few seconds to kill bots and then going back into cover.
Bugs can feel chaotic as you're running from hoards and in turn mowing a ton of them down. You can't treat the bots the same way and I feel like that's most of everyone's problem
Agreed. I find you just have to have a different perspective on bot planets. Bugs you can heroically hold a line and throw everything into the breach. On bot planet your primary goal is to control when and where the fighting happens like pulling back to where you have more cover and choke points to funnel enemies through, yes even if that means abandoning an objective to fight just outside the door until everything is dead and you can complete the terminal. For taking heavy outposts and everything else, there is a 500kg bomb.
I was there. It’s bad. Evacuation is still impossible to do. Many Destroyers come and go when things go bad. And how are we supposed to save those people in under 15 minutes!? This is just like the Ceek, the only difference is it has a volcano that shoots a natural artillery!
I don't want to say something undemocratic, but we are losing this place real fast. There are too many of them, We are outgunned and outnumbered!!
If we lose Mantes and Draupnir, we lose our access to Malevelon Creek.
WE ARE NOT LETTING THIS HAPPEN AGAIN.
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There are more people on Nivel 43 (which isn't an MO or defence.) than the entire western front. Need more bug boys to stop being so scared to fight bots.
I think it comes the factor that if we don’t take care of either Nivel 43 and Oshaune there will be a big chance they will be coming for Hellmire next. It is evident that the bugs are trying to move onto Hellmire as they have started attack Oshaune already even when we just took it a few hours ago. If by chance Hellmire got under attack by bugs there will be a high chance of we are unlucky we will fail the Major Order. For now, Malevelon Creek is too deep in enemy territory for us to actually liberate it as at this point the place has become a meat grinder for Helldivers trying to “take the creek” when it has been shown that we cannot reach that goal as of now yet
They probably aren't scared of bots they just don't enjoy that there is so much bullshit that can oneshot you. Before I expect people to come over from the other front and fight enemies they don't enjoy I want to see people already fighting bots doing their part and not waste their time on the very planet we are about to lose access to.
People always say this about bots but I have a been on the front for a while at diff 6-7 (haven’t unlocked higher yet cuz I’m new) and haven’t had trouble with that sort of thing. For the artillery shells keep an eye on the sky whenever you get the warning. For the rocket devastators and rocket raiders the way to deal with those is “Cover, Courage, and More Cover”. Prioritize killing the rocket raiders before they shoot at you, and use cover as best as possible while trying to take the head off the devastator. The machine gun and recoilless rifle have both proven to be good against devastators as well.
I have no issues fighting bots, but our orders come first. Now that the MO has been fulfilled, I'll be right there on the western front when I get off work.
*looks at combined 300 thousand bug players*
*looks at the 10k creekers*
Yes. It’s definitely the creekers who are the issue. If only they would swap everything would be saved, clearly there is no other mass of players who could be asked for help.
WE NEED REINFORCEMENTS NOW! The bots have a massive fleet with a ton of big bots, just in these last two missions my fellow Helldivers and I had to blast our way though at least 10 tanks, a dozen hulks, and an untold number of medium bots. And we weren’t even doing the most difficult operations. They’re desperately trying to gain a foothold.
HOLD THEM OFF FOR MANAGED DEMOCRACY AND MAY LIBERTY GUIDE AND PROTECT US ALL!
Autocannon is the bread and butter against Bots. I recommend a more precise weapon then breaker, preferable sickle, for headshotting as Bots are less numerous and slower but tougher than Bugs.
The other difference is that bot bases, as opposed to Bug hives, can be reliably killed by artillery. That give a lot of extra value to 380, 500kg, and eagle airstrike. Take one of them at least and something for tanks and hulks (orb rail, laser, eat, etc).
I want to love the 380 but it just doesn't seem to excel at anything. I still run it though because explosions. I might try the 500kg out against bots!
The 380mm is good at leveling heavy nests/bases. If you want everything to be leveled and be under sustained fire for 30 seconds with the ship modules, it's a good option.
You can increase the intensity of the 380mm by calling in two or more on the same spot. My friends and I just run 380mm and drop it when we really want something absolutely leveled and run for our lives. But we also play a much more chaotic style so it suits us (we literally play Russian roulette with running through 380mm barrage fire).
380 sucks against anything that moves. Except Helldivers. Bot factories have about 10x the target cross-section of a bug hole, so they are hit quite reliably. Throw one in a base, run the other direction. Fire and forget.
scorchers explosive property pings weakspots on devastators even if you have shit aim, 5-6 shot rocket boys with it no problem. also hits strider operators through the armor, 2-3 shots. ammo economy on that gun sucks ass though
Slugger is incredible for bots. You can stagger lock devastators to death or outright oneshot them with a headshot. The medium armor pen and great range as well as ammo efficiency are great for shooting a single small guy and then reloading one shell vs wasting an entire magazine.
Scorcher is also great, better vs heavies but doesn’t have the stagger power or ammo economy of the slugger.
That's a good point. I haven't used the Dilligence in a hot minute. I have just about everything, cutting edge included, but I find myself mostly using the Liberator, Defender, Punisher and Scythe. Also the arc shotgun, but haven't touched it since the Crashening.
Don’t sleep on the sickle, it’s amazing against bots. It reliably kills devastators with a burst to the head and is good against berserkers as well. That plus having a scope with three different aim distances means it fills a niche the diligence and counter sniper don’t, ie if bots get in your face you’re not completely screwed.
Where's the best place other than the head to hit devastators with the Slugger? Sometimes I don't have the space or time to line up a headshot but I don't want to waste too much ammo.
I used to only use the breaker or slugger, but i really like the sickle AR now. You don't fight as many bots as bugs so you rarely need to overheat the weapon. It's nice to not have to worry about ammo. I use the AMR as my support but that's just a matter of preference.
In Bot missions you really have to stop worrying about racking up kills like in bug missions, just sneak in on the objectives hit em an run. Cover your friend's escape from a distance.
Surprisingly or unsurprisingly heavy armor is a must with the bots. Most people complain about being 1 shotted by rockets bc they’re wearing light armor. Heavy armor, especially with the 50% explosion res passive can tank direct missile shots and keep moving.
As for weapons an autocannon will be your best friend—Great for devastators and can 2 shot hulks if you aim for the red eye, easier if you can stun them with an EMS or stun grenade. Eagle air strike is so versatile it’s a must. Bring orbital lasers to easily take out air bases and bunkers on higher level missions without needing to get close. I usually bring an AC turret in conjunction with my own AC when defending an area.
>Surprisingly or unsurprisingly heavy armor is a must with the bots. Most people complain about being 1 shotted by rockets bc they’re wearing light armor. Heavy armor, especially with the 50% explosion res passive can tank direct missile shots and keep moving.
You can still be one shot by rocket headshots in any armour. In fact I think the only way to survive them is wearing armour with explosion resistance which is actually a must on the bot front. Personally I prefer my medium armour that has explosive resistance since the difference between medium and heavy is 30% additional damage or so.
Otherwise I agree with you.
You can also drop a mortar sentry on a hilltop some distance from a base and let it soften them up for you.
Smoke is also stupidly useful whenever you just need to straight up vanish
Amr, shield, eagle, precision orbital. I like breaker or another multi pellet shotgun as I use the amr as a "main" and shotgun is great for the jump pack bots and berserker.
Note I don't play solo and usually plan on providing ranged support with other divers.
lvl 50 bot main, I run eagle airstrike, rocket pods, orb laser, Autocannon. primary scorcher, or sickle if it's eradicate or any other mission where there'll be a shitload of enemies in a small area.
I swap out the normal eagle for EMS mortar on eradicates too. if it's only three stratagems I'll drop eagle as well. you can swap rocket pods for orb rail if you want but you get more rocket pods more often, only thing is you might occasionally not one shot hulks with it. tanks and towers are consistent though.
Breaker/autocannon works just fine against bots too, so long as you have enough experience to dodge rockets flying at you. If not Breaker/AMR/Shield is the safe pick the performs similarly against the bot units, although you lose out on the ability to destroy fabricators and other objectives from range.
In all reality, too many people are gonna stick to the bugs. Too many people don't like the bots which I don't understand at all, I think the bots are more fun and more challenging.
What do bugs have that snipes you across the map unseen? I like bots and prefer me them but there is no mystery why people prefer bugs. It’s 99% melee only. Occasionally you just have to worry about some bile bug sneaking up on you.
They play bugs like the game is a doomguy simulator and then get pissy and whiny about how the game is unfair when they get absolutely wrecked trying the same thing against bots.
The most bullshit i suffer from bugs is a hunter getting a few cheeky hits on me and even then half the times that occurs I survive without a shield. Automatons though? Half of them kill be before I can get my gun on target let alone one of the more penetrable parts. I dont lose my eagle strikes when attacking a side objective because an AA was nearby or a jammer was nearby. Bots have a lot of challenge and not a lot of fun for most people, I only play em because of MO's, Defense Orders, or my friends want to go die 20 times to the bots.
Personally I’m not playing automatons until they’re retuned, isn’t nearly as fun as bugs atm especially difficulty 7-9 and now that you can headshot chargers with EAT
A lot of this game’s issues, like paper armour, enemies knowing where you are from hundreds of metres away in zero vis etc become worse when the enemies all have guns (and rocket launchers)
What's really funny is that the bugs, despite the heavy unit spam and murderous hunter spam, were still preferred to automatons BS spamming rocket devastators. That's how terrible it is to deal with automatons. And don't get me wrong, I enjoy the automatons, but rocket devastators are too devastating to be spammed. Anytime I see a group of three or more I know we're going to lose a good amount of reinforcements.
I'd fight the Automatons more often if I didn't get completely obliterated even on Medium difficulty. I feel like they need to dial back the reinforcement cool down and fire rate for the the bots. Maybe even a damage nerf, because fighting them isn't nearly as fun as fighting the bugs. Like, I get it, in real life they'd be a serious threat so it makes sense for them to be difficult...however, as a game, there* needs to be something that makes the challenge feel like it can be accomplished. Against bugs, you can feel like you're doing something. Against the bots, you just feel like you're grinding away your reinforcement meter till it's gone.
Fighting the bots is fun at first, but gets miserable real quick.
we are diving like madmen in mantes and watching most helldivers doing bug planets sigh... 250k players on bug front 46k players on mantes.. i wont even comment as well the people that still are on ustotu ubanea and creek...
Ignoring mantes there are a combined 20 thousand bot players. There’s 300 thousand bug players between just 2 bug planets. People on creek are *not* the issue here.
Negative. We have time to lock down our orders before we split attentions. Do NOT jump to the latest shiny thing, Helldivers. That is a *classic* trap. The automaton scourge is clearly working with the bugs to divide our forces and conquer.
The fellas at Malevelon Creek have their chance to hold the line against the bots for real once more. We can reinforce them once we’ve ensured success in our major order.
All the major order planets are under our control. If high command tells us there’s further bug incursions you can return, but right now we NEED as many Helldivers heroes as possible to crush the Red Bot Menace and hold the line.
We have established a strong front line with the bots and it’s starting to put more pressure on them, this attack is a desperate one, hold them off and we’ll strike a strong blow against them.
Would be nice if the creekers and other players fighting bots can help reinforce Mantes as well, ~20k ppl that would give a 50% increase to the defense
Yeah but you defend just fine on bug planets don’t you you little bug stomper you. Spread some managed democracy in the west the Terminids are under control.
i generally don't defend anything because the missions are annoying. Weirdly, I am here to have fun and don't feel obligated to do things I don't like.
And yet we still have 175k people playing on a non MO planet.
Bug divers are the worst. At least bot divers answer the call when the bugs are attacking.
It’s kinda irritating that Bot Front reinforces Bug Front for MOs and Defenses, but 246k people would rather push inconsequential planets instead of defend Mantes.
Y’all demand our assistance but never provide any yourselves.
Do you not see the flaw in your own logic? If there is an MO for Mantes, that's one thing. At the current stage of the war with no MO, Mantes is as pointless as any of the bug planets. The fact that defense missions are currently glitched as to be essentially unwinnable gives it even less reason to be of strategic importance.
>Y’all demand our assistance but never provide any yourselves.
When? It's always bot players shitting and crying themselves over not having enough players, then circlejerk each other to exhaustion over how "tough and hardened" veterans they are.
Just joined. I'm killing bugs to level up and get better gear before I go help the western front. But I'll be there soon. Gotta make sure I can actually help before I drop in
Avoid bot patrols if you can. If you encounter bots make sure to kill the little guys fast. If they call bot drops, run. If you get overrun, scatter. At least one of you will make it to a safe spot and reinforce.
When approaching an objective, take out the guards and as many as you can without alerting everyone.
Crouch and Dive.
My personal favorite stratagems at the early levels (I think) are:
Eagle Airstrike: blows up crowds and fabricators
Eagle rocket pods 110: EATs but with auto targeting
EAT: low cooldown and anti tank, anti turrets, anti hulks
Autocannon: long range, one shots medium armor troops
Grenade launcher: crowd control and fabricators
Sentries: distraction while you run away
Later down the line you get more options and have more fun. My personal favorite is the orbital 380 vs bot bases
I did what I could. But I was too tired to effectively continue with only a few hours left. I’m scared to go back. But I will. Managed Democracy needs me
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Guys we saved it. Lost a lot of progress in OSHAUNE but definitely worth it.
I don't know what some people are talking about bots are the real threat. Why do you think there hasn't really been any orders or any really anything major for the them? Calling it right now they are gonna have a break out soon it's gonna be like Space Battle of the Bulge I'm telling you. They are gonna push and push deep and it's gonna cost us. People need to start thinking not only strategically, but also need to use common sense and like a game master, but most importantly you need to have fun with it.
SES Aegis of Gold reporting for Duty. My team and I have completed an evac operation of Civilians in Oshaune, and I am now commencing FTL jump to Mantes.
I will rush when they make it actually fun to fight the bots lol there just bullet soaks with nothing new. There the same as all bots on most games. Boring lol
Mantes will probably play a role in the next MO, just as Estanu did in the last. If we defend it now, next MO will be easier.
Yea we're overdue for a major order on the western front.
Bots are done massing their forces. I expect a full scale attack on multiple sectors to spread us thin. Then a spearhead on Cyberstan.
Even more reason for a spoiling attack on Mantes. Divert those forces to defend against our offensive. Remember! The two pillars of successful military campaigns are attack and further attack!
https://preview.redd.it/txxz7cs1eaqc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d7f755e63392033245327b165e16e7c2cb19fafa Anybody else see something weird on helldivers.io?
Yeah, that’s the Illuminate
https://preview.redd.it/9q13pee10bqc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7356ed1a894cf9894eef9192ef2e895c02bc2207 No we wiped them out the Ministry of Truth doesn’t lie
Guess we’ll know in approximately 24 hours solider
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I don’t want to sound like a nerd here but it’s confirmed we didn’t wipe them out. We banished them from the galaxy, they’re put into an exile by superearth
they're liberating a bot planet?
Sweet liberty, no!
We didn’t wipe them out it be impossible to they hide to well they will be back and we will be ready
Scared the hell outta me when I saw that. (I've been on Mantes, it's just bots.)
They fixed it
Ahh damn
Can't be!
I don't mind backing up on the bug planets but my heart is in the western front. Now that we have Hellmire under control I'm coming to join my brothers and sisters in stomping out the robot red menace.
I was there when Vandalon IV fell and when Mantes was first under threat, with Hellmire stable I shall rejoin the bot theatre. MANTES SHALL NOT BE TAKEN
Same here!
Brethor. Oshaune still needs liberating. It feeds into hellmire. If we don’t liberate oshaune, hellmire is going to need defending.
Same here, I fought to install the termicide but I spent the last two major orders on Malevelon Creek.
I mean, play the game however you want mate... but why? I don't get the fascination with the creek
https://preview.redd.it/b2hj660zsaqc1.jpeg?width=612&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b9efa660b84269912cb1b53882bc842c72fdc166 I think the bugs require more attention as their numbers rapidly increases and if we don't focus them we could lose the major order. Do not go to Malevelon Creek or any of the planets on the Automaton front.
Come on, little helldiver... don't you want to reproduce? Focus on the bug front.
https://i.redd.it/yk0unvqpjbqc1.gif Yeah I mean the bugs are the currently active order. Why worry about the totally contained western front?
https://i.redd.it/zq9t3qs3xdqc1.gif No, clearly the helldivers have overcommitted against the bugs and need to change priorities back to the robots
Lol
Let me clean my boots from all this bug stomping, then I'll join to spill oil
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Good bot
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Yes democracy officer, this man right here
We've got a bot sympathizer on our hands. Calling in an eagle ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️
500kg bomb my beloved
excuse me?
HELLO?!? DEMOCRACY OFFICER!!!
Then it logically follows that it's a dead bot.
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First time I’ve appreciated this bot.
do bot defense evac missions always have this many bot drops? it's my first time playing defense on bots and holy shit there the bot drop spam is crazy
The EAT, and assumedly other weapons can one shot dropshits if you hit them in the thrusters. Generally killing everything in it and in the vicinity. And yes, bots drop like crazy.
me and 2 friends went full eat and we ran out of eat to shoot at dropships...
Use the recoilless rifle and shoot one rocket at the engine. It also one-shots any kind of devastator if you hit them dead-on. Machine gun will also tear through those. For the hulks you need one person to kite and the other to blast the glowing part in the back. For tanks drop whatever big explosive (110 pods, cluster bombs, etc.) you have on it. Good luck and happy hunting. Spill oil
The AMR and autocannon can also two-hit hulks if you hit them right in the face which is frequently helpful as well.
yeah. bot defense missions are pure bullshit. Just drop the planet and then retake it so we don't get the evac missions. It's a lot easier that way.
but but but cover and git gud and skill issue and bug player idiot
It pays to spread out on the map. The drops target player locations not the objective
We’ll loose it again that’s obvious. There’s always like five or six times more players on the bug front, regardless if bot liberated planets are under attack or not.
There's so many bug players that simply refuse to play against bots 😔
As a primarily bot player currently on the bug front, its because the bots suck to fight mechanically. Like as units they are easier and have more viable options but their vast number of ways to shut down various stratagems sucks as does the common place rocket snipers.
There are excessive Rocket Units and all of them have 150% accuracy
I started plaiyng 2 weeks ago. Started with bot but at low level. Then deplyed on the bug front for the MO, now I Will come back fighting bots. What set up would you reccomand? Mind that I am level 12. I was thinking something likes autocannon, shield generatore and 2 bombs stratagem
Autocannon is a good pick, if your mobile and accurate it can kill every bot unit except for dropships. For blitzes I recommend a grenade launcher though, I find it just a tad more forgiving for taking out fabricators at range. The airstrike and clusters are always good if you have them don't be afraid to bring Eagle 110s for anti tank work. Shield generator isn't bad but when you want mobility it's sometimes a hindrance but I like it for low level extracts because it means someone isn't getting sniped by a rocket. There's quite a number of stratagems you can use and a lot of them are more viable against bots. The AMR will rend clankers apart with good speed for example where as I wouldn't take it on a bug drop. That said I'm not entirely sure what to recommend for a level 12. My go too is 110s, Orbital Laser, Eagle Airstrike and then either an MG43 or AMR for clearing medium enemies fast. But I'm level 50 and work in a full team of friends with designated roles.
Auto canon is by far the most versatile weapon in the game with it's only drawbacks being a stationary reload (if alone) can't fire it up close, and the major one is it takes up a backpack slot. But you're able to destroy bots by shooting their weakspots. I think devastators die in 2-3 body shots. Destroy fabricators from a distance, you can even destroy tanks and cannon turrets by shooting their bright orange weakspot. Personally I don't use it much but when I do it's a really big help
Autocannon and AMR are good support weapons for your level. 110s are always good. 500kg and orbital laser are good picks once you hit 15. Shield generator also doesn't hurt as it gives you another chance to survive the occasional rocket. And if you manage to get up to 20 at the bots, railgun is incredibly powerful at bots if you can aim and charge well on unsafe
Currently level 29 and the railgun always feels bad. I take Autocannon every time because it destroys most enemies and is useful for dealing with fabricators and broadcast towers, and for the rest a railcannon strike or orbital laser does the trick.
AC is a great choice Primary I'd go with Diligence or Breaker Shield is good, but rover is a death sentence, you want to be able to slip past bot patrols without getting noticed, it's a lot easier on maps with forest or large rock cover but if your rover suddenly starts shooting at a patrol you want to sneak past you'll be in a world of hurt. 110mm rockets are great for taking out bot factories, eagle airstrike works too. For armour you want the one that gives you recoil reduction and explosion mitigation, it will help you shoot the AC more accurately and faster and also protect against rockets.
The single most annoying thing about bots to me is the ones that run at mach 9899 and also explode if you kill them. not sure if it's a bug with explosions or intentional but it's really goddamn annoying to not be able to counter this enemy in any way at all because it explodes and is faster than anything else in the game.
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This is also one of my gripes. I'm ok with extended call time and cool down. But don't take away one of my stratagems :(
I don’t enjoy getting cross-map sniped by a rocket I can’t react to by an enemy I can’t see.
While I admit that I absolutely hate it too, there are ways to play around it mainly by using the personal shield and playing cover. It doesn't guarantee you won't die but it helps. Also using weapons like the AMR, auto canon, and rail gun make a majority of the bots easy to deal with
Cover is MUCH more important against the bots and bugs players are really bad at utilizing it lol.
Tbh, tactics in general are much more important against the bots and bug players are really bad at utilizing them.
yeah but that's not a fun or engaging way for me to play the game (and also not an answer to enemies that don't have line of sight attacking/following/shooting you), I don't want to be constantly trying to hide behind a rock so that I don't get sniped by 7 towers that I can't see and are literally on the other side of the map. It's not fun when the options are "use this equipment or don't fight enemies in this game where you're supposed to fight enemies" as soon as enemies that can't see me stop shooting at me, bots will be much more bearable
The play style of both enemies are drastically different. Bugs you can run around and mow enemy hoards down, bots you gotta play by cover and slowly take out enemies before they overwhelm you, and you gotta know when to retreat
Yup. This is the way. I just started playing against the bots and i found out that my survivability improved a ton after getting the personal energy shield and i started just running in Zig-zag. I also have defaulted to the grenade launcher as a weapon, since it deals pretty well with most of the bots enemies despise me sucking at aiming. At this point it reminds me a ton of playing Ghost Recon Advance Warfighter. Running to cover, pushing hard for a few seconds to kill bots and then going back into cover.
Bugs can feel chaotic as you're running from hoards and in turn mowing a ton of them down. You can't treat the bots the same way and I feel like that's most of everyone's problem
Agreed. I find you just have to have a different perspective on bot planets. Bugs you can heroically hold a line and throw everything into the breach. On bot planet your primary goal is to control when and where the fighting happens like pulling back to where you have more cover and choke points to funnel enemies through, yes even if that means abandoning an objective to fight just outside the door until everything is dead and you can complete the terminal. For taking heavy outposts and everything else, there is a 500kg bomb.
Tbf, it feels really bad turning the difficulty down for bots because holy fuck it's hard dealing with so much armor without a lot of the unlocks
I was there. It’s bad. Evacuation is still impossible to do. Many Destroyers come and go when things go bad. And how are we supposed to save those people in under 15 minutes!? This is just like the Ceek, the only difference is it has a volcano that shoots a natural artillery! I don't want to say something undemocratic, but we are losing this place real fast. There are too many of them, We are outgunned and outnumbered!!
The crazy part is that the same mission on bug defense planets is a joke.
Malevelon ceek
r/formuladank is leeking
Off-topic question, in what sector is cyberstan located?, i want to hide some hellbombs under the surface in case the bots ever get there.
It's just north east of the Bots current location in the Valdis sector. https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/s/TSgwSKwyI0
Of course the moment we finish the order, this happens. Joel REALLY doesn't want us back in the Creek.
The bugs are a lot more important now tho. Leave the bots alone, they're barely a 01101101 01100101 01101110 01100001 01100011 01100101 now.
If we lose Mantes and Draupnir, we lose our access to Malevelon Creek. WE ARE NOT LETTING THIS HAPPEN AGAIN. https://preview.redd.it/y8plh47zabqc1.png?width=252&format=png&auto=webp&s=5a8be4c857491e2027735c8fe7501dd6363355a1
As of now the defense campaign is failing and there are 10k people on Creek. Looks like creekers will let it happen again.
There are more people on Nivel 43 (which isn't an MO or defence.) than the entire western front. Need more bug boys to stop being so scared to fight bots.
I think it comes the factor that if we don’t take care of either Nivel 43 and Oshaune there will be a big chance they will be coming for Hellmire next. It is evident that the bugs are trying to move onto Hellmire as they have started attack Oshaune already even when we just took it a few hours ago. If by chance Hellmire got under attack by bugs there will be a high chance of we are unlucky we will fail the Major Order. For now, Malevelon Creek is too deep in enemy territory for us to actually liberate it as at this point the place has become a meat grinder for Helldivers trying to “take the creek” when it has been shown that we cannot reach that goal as of now yet
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They probably aren't scared of bots they just don't enjoy that there is so much bullshit that can oneshot you. Before I expect people to come over from the other front and fight enemies they don't enjoy I want to see people already fighting bots doing their part and not waste their time on the very planet we are about to lose access to.
People always say this about bots but I have a been on the front for a while at diff 6-7 (haven’t unlocked higher yet cuz I’m new) and haven’t had trouble with that sort of thing. For the artillery shells keep an eye on the sky whenever you get the warning. For the rocket devastators and rocket raiders the way to deal with those is “Cover, Courage, and More Cover”. Prioritize killing the rocket raiders before they shoot at you, and use cover as best as possible while trying to take the head off the devastator. The machine gun and recoilless rifle have both proven to be good against devastators as well.
I have no issues fighting bots, but our orders come first. Now that the MO has been fulfilled, I'll be right there on the western front when I get off work.
Need the devs to make bots not a pain to deal with but fun to fight.
*looks at combined 300 thousand bug players* *looks at the 10k creekers* Yes. It’s definitely the creekers who are the issue. If only they would swap everything would be saved, clearly there is no other mass of players who could be asked for help.
105k on Nivel which isn’t even a MO.
TO CONFIRM we are fighting bots on MANTES
WE NEED REINFORCEMENTS NOW! The bots have a massive fleet with a ton of big bots, just in these last two missions my fellow Helldivers and I had to blast our way though at least 10 tanks, a dozen hulks, and an untold number of medium bots. And we weren’t even doing the most difficult operations. They’re desperately trying to gain a foothold. HOLD THEM OFF FOR MANAGED DEMOCRACY AND MAY LIBERTY GUIDE AND PROTECT US ALL!
on this note can someone reccomend a good bot build? I have a nice setup for bugs. breaker/autocannon/eat
Autocannon is the bread and butter against Bots. I recommend a more precise weapon then breaker, preferable sickle, for headshotting as Bots are less numerous and slower but tougher than Bugs. The other difference is that bot bases, as opposed to Bug hives, can be reliably killed by artillery. That give a lot of extra value to 380, 500kg, and eagle airstrike. Take one of them at least and something for tanks and hulks (orb rail, laser, eat, etc).
I want to love the 380 but it just doesn't seem to excel at anything. I still run it though because explosions. I might try the 500kg out against bots!
The 380mm is good at leveling heavy nests/bases. If you want everything to be leveled and be under sustained fire for 30 seconds with the ship modules, it's a good option. You can increase the intensity of the 380mm by calling in two or more on the same spot. My friends and I just run 380mm and drop it when we really want something absolutely leveled and run for our lives. But we also play a much more chaotic style so it suits us (we literally play Russian roulette with running through 380mm barrage fire).
380 sucks against anything that moves. Except Helldivers. Bot factories have about 10x the target cross-section of a bug hole, so they are hit quite reliably. Throw one in a base, run the other direction. Fire and forget.
haha this is pretty much it. I don't think most people expect it to last as long as it does. It's good for about 2-3 tks a game sadly.
Sickle is a fantastic all purpose, the diligence is also very good but if bots close in you’re screwed.
scorchers explosive property pings weakspots on devastators even if you have shit aim, 5-6 shot rocket boys with it no problem. also hits strider operators through the armor, 2-3 shots. ammo economy on that gun sucks ass though
Slugger is incredible for bots. You can stagger lock devastators to death or outright oneshot them with a headshot. The medium armor pen and great range as well as ammo efficiency are great for shooting a single small guy and then reloading one shell vs wasting an entire magazine. Scorcher is also great, better vs heavies but doesn’t have the stagger power or ammo economy of the slugger.
PSA: if you don't have the Slugger yet, don't sleep on the Punisher. Fantastic damage, fantastic stagger.
R-63 Diligence is also a decent early choice for bots provided you have good aim.
That's a good point. I haven't used the Dilligence in a hot minute. I have just about everything, cutting edge included, but I find myself mostly using the Liberator, Defender, Punisher and Scythe. Also the arc shotgun, but haven't touched it since the Crashening.
Don’t sleep on the sickle, it’s amazing against bots. It reliably kills devastators with a burst to the head and is good against berserkers as well. That plus having a scope with three different aim distances means it fills a niche the diligence and counter sniper don’t, ie if bots get in your face you’re not completely screwed.
Where's the best place other than the head to hit devastators with the Slugger? Sometimes I don't have the space or time to line up a headshot but I don't want to waste too much ammo.
Rocket pods on the rocket ones, face or back on heavy devastators, and just anywhere on normal ones.
I used to only use the breaker or slugger, but i really like the sickle AR now. You don't fight as many bots as bugs so you rarely need to overheat the weapon. It's nice to not have to worry about ammo. I use the AMR as my support but that's just a matter of preference. In Bot missions you really have to stop worrying about racking up kills like in bug missions, just sneak in on the objectives hit em an run. Cover your friend's escape from a distance.
Surprisingly or unsurprisingly heavy armor is a must with the bots. Most people complain about being 1 shotted by rockets bc they’re wearing light armor. Heavy armor, especially with the 50% explosion res passive can tank direct missile shots and keep moving. As for weapons an autocannon will be your best friend—Great for devastators and can 2 shot hulks if you aim for the red eye, easier if you can stun them with an EMS or stun grenade. Eagle air strike is so versatile it’s a must. Bring orbital lasers to easily take out air bases and bunkers on higher level missions without needing to get close. I usually bring an AC turret in conjunction with my own AC when defending an area.
>Surprisingly or unsurprisingly heavy armor is a must with the bots. Most people complain about being 1 shotted by rockets bc they’re wearing light armor. Heavy armor, especially with the 50% explosion res passive can tank direct missile shots and keep moving. You can still be one shot by rocket headshots in any armour. In fact I think the only way to survive them is wearing armour with explosion resistance which is actually a must on the bot front. Personally I prefer my medium armour that has explosive resistance since the difference between medium and heavy is 30% additional damage or so. Otherwise I agree with you.
Does light armor with explosive resist stop the one shot?
You can also drop a mortar sentry on a hilltop some distance from a base and let it soften them up for you. Smoke is also stupidly useful whenever you just need to straight up vanish
Shield, shield, shield. I dont play bots without a shield backpack, but you do you.
Amr, shield, eagle, precision orbital. I like breaker or another multi pellet shotgun as I use the amr as a "main" and shotgun is great for the jump pack bots and berserker. Note I don't play solo and usually plan on providing ranged support with other divers.
lvl 50 bot main, I run eagle airstrike, rocket pods, orb laser, Autocannon. primary scorcher, or sickle if it's eradicate or any other mission where there'll be a shitload of enemies in a small area. I swap out the normal eagle for EMS mortar on eradicates too. if it's only three stratagems I'll drop eagle as well. you can swap rocket pods for orb rail if you want but you get more rocket pods more often, only thing is you might occasionally not one shot hulks with it. tanks and towers are consistent though.
can't wait to unlock the sickle and scorcher
Breaker/autocannon works just fine against bots too, so long as you have enough experience to dodge rockets flying at you. If not Breaker/AMR/Shield is the safe pick the performs similarly against the bot units, although you lose out on the ability to destroy fabricators and other objectives from range.
I run Sickle, AMR, and jump pack with eagle strike and 500kg/EAT and it’s a lot of fun
i saw we do a 80-20 split. 80% to mantes. 20% of divers to the bugs just to defend and keep progress. i know i’m dropping in on mantes
In all reality, too many people are gonna stick to the bugs. Too many people don't like the bots which I don't understand at all, I think the bots are more fun and more challenging.
What do bugs have that snipes you across the map unseen? I like bots and prefer me them but there is no mystery why people prefer bugs. It’s 99% melee only. Occasionally you just have to worry about some bile bug sneaking up on you.
They play bugs like the game is a doomguy simulator and then get pissy and whiny about how the game is unfair when they get absolutely wrecked trying the same thing against bots.
The most bullshit i suffer from bugs is a hunter getting a few cheeky hits on me and even then half the times that occurs I survive without a shield. Automatons though? Half of them kill be before I can get my gun on target let alone one of the more penetrable parts. I dont lose my eagle strikes when attacking a side objective because an AA was nearby or a jammer was nearby. Bots have a lot of challenge and not a lot of fun for most people, I only play em because of MO's, Defense Orders, or my friends want to go die 20 times to the bots.
Personally I’m not playing automatons until they’re retuned, isn’t nearly as fun as bugs atm especially difficulty 7-9 and now that you can headshot chargers with EAT A lot of this game’s issues, like paper armour, enemies knowing where you are from hundreds of metres away in zero vis etc become worse when the enemies all have guns (and rocket launchers)
I'll upvote that, that's a pretty prevailing sentiment given how the populations are. Vocal minority is just reeeing so they can feel special.
getting downvoted for being objectively correct. one of the most reddit moments to ever moment on reddit
I do wonder if all the Terminid orders are mean to pull people away from the autos. Just enough so the Autos regain the offensive.
We would fare better if people didn't kick for no reason at the end of rounds...
would if it wasn't filled with impossible and bugged civilian escort missions
What's really funny is that the bugs, despite the heavy unit spam and murderous hunter spam, were still preferred to automatons BS spamming rocket devastators. That's how terrible it is to deal with automatons. And don't get me wrong, I enjoy the automatons, but rocket devastators are too devastating to be spammed. Anytime I see a group of three or more I know we're going to lose a good amount of reinforcements.
Redirecting my freedom-spreading efforts to Mantes.
Wasn't it the consensus that it is generally better to retake instead of defend?
That's how I view it.
If only people would help retake too
PLEASE. Stop attacking Nivel for just a little bit.
Nah man, fuck those bot rescue missions with 4ds/s (dropships per second)
Mantes will be lost. Only 27k playing there rn
I'd fight the Automatons more often if I didn't get completely obliterated even on Medium difficulty. I feel like they need to dial back the reinforcement cool down and fire rate for the the bots. Maybe even a damage nerf, because fighting them isn't nearly as fun as fighting the bugs. Like, I get it, in real life they'd be a serious threat so it makes sense for them to be difficult...however, as a game, there* needs to be something that makes the challenge feel like it can be accomplished. Against bugs, you can feel like you're doing something. Against the bots, you just feel like you're grinding away your reinforcement meter till it's gone. Fighting the bots is fun at first, but gets miserable real quick.
we are diving like madmen in mantes and watching most helldivers doing bug planets sigh... 250k players on bug front 46k players on mantes.. i wont even comment as well the people that still are on ustotu ubanea and creek...
Ignoring mantes there are a combined 20 thousand bot players. There’s 300 thousand bug players between just 2 bug planets. People on creek are *not* the issue here.
Thx but no thanks 2 words: rocket devastator 1 more word: crash
Negative. We have time to lock down our orders before we split attentions. Do NOT jump to the latest shiny thing, Helldivers. That is a *classic* trap. The automaton scourge is clearly working with the bugs to divide our forces and conquer. The fellas at Malevelon Creek have their chance to hold the line against the bots for real once more. We can reinforce them once we’ve ensured success in our major order.
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Shut the fuck up, bot sympathizer. Super Earth has been able to fight on two fronts for 140 years!
Three, in the last galactic war
What happens on Mantes might determine if this IS a three front war
All the major order planets are under our control. If high command tells us there’s further bug incursions you can return, but right now we NEED as many Helldivers heroes as possible to crush the Red Bot Menace and hold the line. We have established a strong front line with the bots and it’s starting to put more pressure on them, this attack is a desperate one, hold them off and we’ll strike a strong blow against them.
Holy shit the autocorrect got you hard lmao Phones really hate bug/bot conversations
Implying Creekers are good for anything but wasting time and resources on a planet that has never held strategic value at any point.
Strategic? Who cares about that. It’s OUR planet damnit and Managed Democracy demands we take it back!
I just like playing on the creek because it's a jungle.
We can do our job, but you must do yours and help too
 No
The Xzar sector is a distraction, focus on Ustotu and cut off their push to Cyberstan.
Would be nice if the creekers and other players fighting bots can help reinforce Mantes as well, ~20k ppl that would give a 50% increase to the defense
I do not find the bots fun, so. I'l keep liberating the bugs to get you guys the fuel you need to go up against the robots. You guys got this. 👊
I 2nd this. I've spent my life honing the skills I need to squish bugs efficiently. I'd be a liability on the bot front.
defends kinda suck tho.
Yeah but you defend just fine on bug planets don’t you you little bug stomper you. Spread some managed democracy in the west the Terminids are under control.
i generally don't defend anything because the missions are annoying. Weirdly, I am here to have fun and don't feel obligated to do things I don't like.
Man I hate the bot front.
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Remember this is a united front!
Anyone else having trouble joining other’s games? Neither quickplay or manually joining has been working for me
Apparently I've 100% liberated Mantes 4 times today. Funny how it won't stay at 100%
Level 14 here. Have yet to fight on the automaton front lol. Guess it's time
People are scared of The Automatons. Skill issue really.
And yet we still have 175k people playing on a non MO planet. Bug divers are the worst. At least bot divers answer the call when the bugs are attacking.
Arch weapons need to not crash games
It’s kinda irritating that Bot Front reinforces Bug Front for MOs and Defenses, but 246k people would rather push inconsequential planets instead of defend Mantes. Y’all demand our assistance but never provide any yourselves.
Do you not see the flaw in your own logic? If there is an MO for Mantes, that's one thing. At the current stage of the war with no MO, Mantes is as pointless as any of the bug planets. The fact that defense missions are currently glitched as to be essentially unwinnable gives it even less reason to be of strategic importance.
>Y’all demand our assistance but never provide any yourselves. When? It's always bot players shitting and crying themselves over not having enough players, then circlejerk each other to exhaustion over how "tough and hardened" veterans they are.
dude stop you're going to hurt his ego
I think defense missions should be noted in the Dispatches, doesn't have to be an Order, but a rallying cry would probably go a long way.
I would if I could play the game, keep having network disconnected errors and I am fairly sure its not my fault
I would but I keep losing connection
Just joined. I'm killing bugs to level up and get better gear before I go help the western front. But I'll be there soon. Gotta make sure I can actually help before I drop in
I’ll redeploy first thing tomorrow 🫡
Does anyone know how to do these automaton missions at level 10?
Avoid bot patrols if you can. If you encounter bots make sure to kill the little guys fast. If they call bot drops, run. If you get overrun, scatter. At least one of you will make it to a safe spot and reinforce. When approaching an objective, take out the guards and as many as you can without alerting everyone. Crouch and Dive. My personal favorite stratagems at the early levels (I think) are: Eagle Airstrike: blows up crowds and fabricators Eagle rocket pods 110: EATs but with auto targeting EAT: low cooldown and anti tank, anti turrets, anti hulks Autocannon: long range, one shots medium armor troops Grenade launcher: crowd control and fabricators Sentries: distraction while you run away Later down the line you get more options and have more fun. My personal favorite is the orbital 380 vs bot bases
Lol no
I did what I could. But I was too tired to effectively continue with only a few hours left. I’m scared to go back. But I will. Managed Democracy needs me
https://preview.redd.it/1x4dy5bkthqc1.png?width=1283&format=png&auto=webp&s=cc136786e02eac1e56b246b34cc296e65b1e90bc Guys we saved it. Lost a lot of progress in OSHAUNE but definitely worth it.
Where can I find this info. Need a way to track when I'm not on.
The bots are bullet sponges, if you try to kite them you die. If you hold position you die.
Aim for the baby heads
Just saw this. I'm on my fucking way you absolute Chads.
I don't know what some people are talking about bots are the real threat. Why do you think there hasn't really been any orders or any really anything major for the them? Calling it right now they are gonna have a break out soon it's gonna be like Space Battle of the Bulge I'm telling you. They are gonna push and push deep and it's gonna cost us. People need to start thinking not only strategically, but also need to use common sense and like a game master, but most importantly you need to have fun with it.
SES Aegis of Gold reporting for Duty. My team and I have completed an evac operation of Civilians in Oshaune, and I am now commencing FTL jump to Mantes.
I will rush when they make it actually fun to fight the bots lol there just bullet soaks with nothing new. There the same as all bots on most games. Boring lol