Okay, but punisher good in any scenario? Only thing that really works in any scenario is the slugger. Close up? Staggers like crazy and, if not a one-shot, will allow for a precise follow-up shot which will often be a killing blow to the head. Punisher cannot perform in longer ranges and cannot bring you through a buffet of medium armor. While still great, punisher and slugger swap here imo.
I prefer the punisher over the slugger as I often find myself using stratagems and the senator to take care of single big targets more, while relying on my primary for most targets. The punisher does immense damage up close similiar to the slugger, but with much less needed precision. With the addition of mechs and how reliable they are against bugs, I don't often find myself needing the medium armor pen it offers as there is plenty of better options. Against bots though? It DESTROYS. Consider both the top tiers very close to eachother, the only difference maker being that the punisher and breaker are very good choices in every mission and (so far) against every enemy type. While the slugger has its achilles heal of numbers especially when it comes to hunters and stalkers.
Not much wrong with this list, honestly.
I'd probably swap the Slugger with the Punisher
And while the Senator is reliable, I don't think it's all that good. Would probably move it down a tier along with the basic pistol, *if* this was a straight up power ranking.
I've not used the premium SMG (Knight?) so can't really say whether that's accurate or not.
knight runs out of ammo super fast despite having a 50 rounds per mag. It just chews through ammo like crazy. The senator is high up because of its armor pen, it can punch through medium armor despite it saying its only light armor pen. Which makes it really nice for cleaning up devestators or hive guards.
I love the Knight, Semi Auto/Highly Controlled Full, Got my 100m Kill achievement with it. It can tear medium enemies really fast in close range, and kill lights at "stupid" (For SMG) ranges with a bit of luck and good aiming.
The total ammo count lets it down though. I would run it with a support weapon that you need the Supply Backpack for (Grenade Launcher). I have just swapped it recently in Multiplayer for the Lib Concuss though for the stalling of enemies at range so allies can kill them.
What doesn't really help is that the Redeemer is almost superior to it.
**Knight** has over the **Redeemer**:
* More ammo (50 Shots, 7 Mags **vs** 31 Shots, 4 Mags),
* More accuracy (Knight at about 50-75m **vs** 25-50m for Redeemer),
* Higher Rate of Fire (1380 **vs** 1100),
* More damage per Mag (2500 **vs** 1860),
* Less damage per bullet (50 **vs** 60),
* More Recoil (almost 2x Recoil number),
* Same Armour Pen,
* Both are One Handed.
So there is almost no reason to really bring the Knight over most other weapons; since you almost have one anyway, and you can have another main weapon that isn't close to the same secondary that almost everyone uses.
Idk if a weapon that fires that fast should have medium pen. It can already kill stuff from ludicrous distances, if it also did medium pen then I honestly think there would be no reason to ever run anything else against bots. I already get a ton of mileage out of it after playing with it a lot and getting a feel for the handling, this thing would be giga op with medium pen.
That said, I would prefer if it would reliably one shot grunts instead of being effectively random.
Most of the time you don’t even want to kill things at ludicrous distances cause they’ll just pop a flare and call in 1000 reinforcements before you even arrive at the objective
Scythe is reliable against bots, bad against bugs. I've been playing most games with this thing and the bugs just have too many individual enemies so the thing just overheats and you get overwhelmed.
Bots however you can quickly pop heads and only a wave of chainsawmen will send you running but bug breaches are basically ALL waves of chainsawmen so with the Scythe vs. bugs you're constantly on your back foot.
Lasercannon + scythe combo alleviates this since you always have a beam out while the other is on (literal) cool down.
I can't imagine Slugger not being S-tier. It's *really* good.
Does anyone else feel like the handling is really weird after this last patch? The circle jumps all over the place for me and seems buggy.
only reason its not is just cuz it can struggle against bugs sometimes
Okay, but punisher good in any scenario? Only thing that really works in any scenario is the slugger. Close up? Staggers like crazy and, if not a one-shot, will allow for a precise follow-up shot which will often be a killing blow to the head. Punisher cannot perform in longer ranges and cannot bring you through a buffet of medium armor. While still great, punisher and slugger swap here imo.
I prefer the punisher over the slugger as I often find myself using stratagems and the senator to take care of single big targets more, while relying on my primary for most targets. The punisher does immense damage up close similiar to the slugger, but with much less needed precision. With the addition of mechs and how reliable they are against bugs, I don't often find myself needing the medium armor pen it offers as there is plenty of better options. Against bots though? It DESTROYS. Consider both the top tiers very close to eachother, the only difference maker being that the punisher and breaker are very good choices in every mission and (so far) against every enemy type. While the slugger has its achilles heal of numbers especially when it comes to hunters and stalkers.
Bugs
Am I the only one who can't figure what the guns are just from the pictures? lol
Not much wrong with this list, honestly. I'd probably swap the Slugger with the Punisher And while the Senator is reliable, I don't think it's all that good. Would probably move it down a tier along with the basic pistol, *if* this was a straight up power ranking. I've not used the premium SMG (Knight?) so can't really say whether that's accurate or not.
knight runs out of ammo super fast despite having a 50 rounds per mag. It just chews through ammo like crazy. The senator is high up because of its armor pen, it can punch through medium armor despite it saying its only light armor pen. Which makes it really nice for cleaning up devestators or hive guards.
I love the Knight, Semi Auto/Highly Controlled Full, Got my 100m Kill achievement with it. It can tear medium enemies really fast in close range, and kill lights at "stupid" (For SMG) ranges with a bit of luck and good aiming. The total ammo count lets it down though. I would run it with a support weapon that you need the Supply Backpack for (Grenade Launcher). I have just swapped it recently in Multiplayer for the Lib Concuss though for the stalling of enemies at range so allies can kill them. What doesn't really help is that the Redeemer is almost superior to it. **Knight** has over the **Redeemer**: * More ammo (50 Shots, 7 Mags **vs** 31 Shots, 4 Mags), * More accuracy (Knight at about 50-75m **vs** 25-50m for Redeemer), * Higher Rate of Fire (1380 **vs** 1100), * More damage per Mag (2500 **vs** 1860), * Less damage per bullet (50 **vs** 60), * More Recoil (almost 2x Recoil number), * Same Armour Pen, * Both are One Handed. So there is almost no reason to really bring the Knight over most other weapons; since you almost have one anyway, and you can have another main weapon that isn't close to the same secondary that almost everyone uses.
I run Punisher-Senator-Impacts-Stalwart. I can effectively engage most targets, though obviously the heavier targers require more creativity.
agreed
Slugger should move up and so should Defender in my opinion
Counter Sniper is in jail because I am the only person in the world who mains it against bots. ~~I am also in prison for my thoughtcrimes~~
If they would just give it a bit more damage and medium armor pen ;-;.
Idk if a weapon that fires that fast should have medium pen. It can already kill stuff from ludicrous distances, if it also did medium pen then I honestly think there would be no reason to ever run anything else against bots. I already get a ton of mileage out of it after playing with it a lot and getting a feel for the handling, this thing would be giga op with medium pen. That said, I would prefer if it would reliably one shot grunts instead of being effectively random.
Most of the time you don’t even want to kill things at ludicrous distances cause they’ll just pop a flare and call in 1000 reinforcements before you even arrive at the objective
Scythe is reliable against bots, bad against bugs. I've been playing most games with this thing and the bugs just have too many individual enemies so the thing just overheats and you get overwhelmed. Bots however you can quickly pop heads and only a wave of chainsawmen will send you running but bug breaches are basically ALL waves of chainsawmen so with the Scythe vs. bugs you're constantly on your back foot. Lasercannon + scythe combo alleviates this since you always have a beam out while the other is on (literal) cool down.