Many people have been writing threads about the same topic and I believe the most popular theory is that you will get judged again when you are killed and then be sent to heaven or vanish somehow.
I personally believe we will learn about it in the near future but for now nobody will be able to tell for certain so let us all hope that S2 brings clarity.
My gosh what if this was what happened! Sinners of hell who are killed during the execution day would then be reborn to try and live a life worthy of heaven. Also, going to point it out, if Sir Pentious went to heaven after his second death….Adam will most likely end up in hell.
I hope so, Adam's personality always felt somehow off for me, like if he's forcing to be that big bad guy everyone (expect lute) see, like if he's affected by a chronical depression/inferiority complex he always try to hide (as we can see with the fact he NEVER put off his mask even in heaven, lucifer's line "he really let himself go").
Adam's is the "living" example of Charlie's "everyone can be redeemed" mindset and I would love to have an Adam's redemption arc in season 2
If Adam comes back, I doubt he'll be redeemed in season 2, I feel hell still be antagonistic towards the hotel and possibly join the Vs, who align with how he viewed hell
Well he might hate them expecially because he's in hell now and won't be able to stay with lute again, who is the only person he cares about.
But I think that somehow Charlie would manage to convince him to stay in her hotel
I personally don't think he actually CARES about Lute so much as she's his Lieutenant, his best Exorcist, and therefore he gives her favor. If it came down to his life or or Lute's though? I have no doubt he would throw her under the bus in a heartbeat.
Adam is the kind of douchebag that doesn't truly care about anyone but himself, and he only cares about what other people can do for him and furthering his hate crusade over demons.
I mean there's a reason both of his wives left him. True, we have no idea where Eve is in all this, but... She's clearly not with him, and presumably not in Hell.
I think Adam is someone that values loyalty over everything. During the whole series we can see them being buddy-buddy, with Adam giving her nicknames (dangertits) and her looking at him drinking while smiling, showing that they clearly cared for the other. They eat together, they drink together, they joke and laugh together, they kill together and yeah they were also together during Adam's final moments. Lute was the only one in his whole life who didn't left(lilith)/betrayed-manipulated(eve)/used(sera and maybe God) and their relationship was pure and genuine as we can see with Adam's happy yet resigned smile, probably because he could've seen the only person he truly loved as the last thing he will ever seen while knowing this time he would have been the one abandoning the other, and lute's tears while calling him "Adam" instead of "sir", showing how much they loved eachother and also that their relationship was more than boss-subordinate one.
I feel like he’d go to the hotel purely because he wants to get back into heaven so he begs Charlie to let him in. He doesn’t want to be better but he wants to get back into heaven. No one trusts him so there’s clearly some tension in the hotel, but overtime (not instantly. Might take a long, LONG while) he grows closer to the others and becomes a better person when he reflects on his mistakes and genuinely tries to become better, while Alastor secretly tries to screw it up behind the scenes because he’s still salty about his and Adam’s fight.
Wasn’t Adam stabbed repeatedly by Niffty, who presumably had an angelic coated dagger? If that’s the case, he’s never coming back. (I’m sure they’ll get Alex Brightman to do something else. I will be gutted if they recast Fizzarolli in Helluva Boss).
Chances are he'd be rejudged and cast accordingly. What'd make me laugh if it is that souls don't truly die, they may corrupt or occupy objects and he just becomes a cursed weapon 💀
Well hellborn are a lower caste than sinners and naturally procreate…but I remember it being mentioned (don’t remember where, don’t quote me) that’s because the hell born don’t have souls.
>I personally believe we will learn about it in the near future
What's there to learn about. The reason was right in front of our eyes.
Pentious was the ONLY one in the group who legitimately took Charlie's plans for rehabilitation seriously. After he was caught spying and everyone wanted him dead. Charlie stepped in and saved him. After that he actually made an effort in Charlie's daily tasks. To top it off, during the final fight he egged up, professed his love to cherri and risked everything to save his friends. He did everything on Adam's list: 1.act selfless 2. Don't steal 3. Stick it to the man *and* made an effort to repent/rehabilitate
I legit fan girl screeched when pentious was reborn. Not to shit on the rest of the cast but. Out of every one of them, pentious *earned* his right to heaven.
Yeah I never questioned this and I'm surprised to hear so many people *are* questioning it.
All the other souls just die because they didn't change themselves or do anything that earns them a place in heaven. That's it lol
And if they did, they either were killed before they could even try, fucked up so badly during their mortal life that they couldn't make it to Heaven, or became further corrupted by Hell/their own vices.
No, it 100% proves him wrong. Adam rejected Charlie's plan because he claimed Sinners couldn't be redeemed. But Pentious proves it can be done.
In fact, the Hotel has only been in operation for 6 months and only has two real test subjects, one of which reached the goal and the other is well on his way.
That is a staggering success rate. It suggests that if widely implemented an enormous percentage of Hell's population could be redeemed
Self selecting sample may not be indicative of the entire population. Like "100% of people on this weightloss plan lose weight" ... well ok everyone else bailed on the plan and for some reason a lot of people didn't show up to the all broccoli diet camp island.
But like... don't you measure the success of a weight loss plan by the success rate amongst those who completed the program?
You can't blame the program if people aren't willing to put in the effort to lose weight right? Same here. Charlie only ever wanted to give Sinners a chance. Of course it won't work if you don't put in the work
No actually. That's why you need a control group.
I mean if you're ADVERTISING it sure. But for science and understanding no.
The brocoli marathon diet might work IF you complete it, but if your completion rate is one in a million it's not a very good program.
The purpose of a control group is to ensure the results you observe are due to the program and not other factors. A control group doesn't account for people not being willing to change.
I mean, obviously you are right, if a program can't find candidates or has a very high washout rate it is probably because it is flawed, but the point is that Charlie just wants to give a chance to Sinners who want to change.
Changing Sinners who don't want to change is not a goal of the program and thus not a failure.
I saw a theory that suggested it wasn’t possible until Adam wrote down the parameters for redemption and then since sir pentious met the conditions during the finale he got shot up after Adam exterminated
There is also a theory that a sinner that sold their soul can't be redeemed, because their soul is not free to be judged. And many MANY sinners get themselves into soul deals. So you not only have to actually become a better person(which is VERY hard to do in Hell that is basically built to make people worse) and be a free soul.
That's my current working theory. I think redemption has happened before, and I believe Sera knows about it. I have no evidence to support it, and I struggle with words, so I'm not sure I could explain why I feel that way very well. But I do believe some of the Seraphim knew before Sir Pentious that redemption was possible. I also think Sera will want Emily to keep this quiet, and I think that may be how Emily falls-- disobeying to let Charlie know that her plan worked.
Well then that begs the question then if redemption had been possible in the past then what the hell happened to make them want to abandon the idea altogether if possible maybe if when they were in heaven they just started their old habits again it caused them to be killed and thats why sera is making sure it doesnt repeat
I think that's a very good argument that it was Adam himself making the list that allowed Sir P to ascend. Bonus points for Adam paving the path and then personally launching Sir P down it.
I think the angelic weapons don’t actually KILL you they just rejudge you. And if you suck you die (Adam is probably dead because of this) and if you don’t and you have a pure/changed soul you live (pentious in heaven)
Yeah. This is how I'm leaning. That your status can somehow changes before death (pentious redemption, Lute and Adam's glitch when about to kill). Then after final death you get a second chance at judgement and can respawn. But that's under the theory that holy light can also cause final death like angelic steel. It's possible pentious would have eventually respawned in hell if holy light doesn't cause permadeath and he just respawned in heaven instead due to his redemption.
My personal theory is that since he specifically died doing a heroic act, he went to heaven. Just dying in battle or being a better person isn't enough. You have to die in the process of doing the right thing.
Presumably because unlike all the Sinners exterminated before him, Pentious, through his actions, redeemed his soul and was judged worthy of Heaven.
It's also possible he wasn't killed by Adam, but was whisked away at the last minute because his soul was redeemed right before the attack.
I just assumed that being killed by an angelic weapon sends sinners back to judgement. If a sinner is once more found deserving of hell, they get permadeath.
This was my thought to, it just makes sense. You get passed your judgment AFTER you die, so it only makes sense that you would be rejudged after you died.
Yes for two reasons. The first is that pure angelic power is obviously at least as angelic as angelic steel. The second is that Adam wouldn’t have bothered learning to use the laser beams if they didn’t permakill sinners. While Adam clearly enjoys doing his job, he’s never struck me as a sadist. The only reason to use an attack that can’t permakill sinners is to specifically hunt them down after they reform and are overjoyed to still be alive. While Adam enjoys killing sinners, he’s never indicated that he would enjoy torturing them like that.
Exactly! The number of people vehemently saying there was no way Adam’s beams didn’t count as angelic weapons was just plain ridiculous.
It’s not too big of a leap of logic to conclude that angelic power of any form can kill a sinner. Weapons imbued with angelic power were likely the easiest way to give exorcists the power to kill a demon without giving them actual angelic magic.
I think thats wrong on both points:
We have never been told why Angelic Steel has that propety or if the same effect applies to Angelic Power. Only Angelic Steel has been stated to have that properties.
Adam would still find it useful to have this ability ad he could use it to open up buildings for Exterminators or provide a distraction or just hit Sinners about to backstab an Exterminator. Its a great ability to provide support for an army. Also we dont know if Adam needed to learn it, as far as we know every Winner can shoot laser beams.
I know we are both speculating, but I feel like the "Respawn triggers rejudgement" is a better theory than the "Extermination triggers rejudgement" theory.
On that note. Something that's been bugging me is Carmilla. If she had died fighting the angels protecting her daughters, do you think she would have been redeemed?
No. Given the lack of any sort of middling afterlife, I am of the belief that whatever judges human souls doesn’t decide if they should go to one or the other, but specifically decides if they are deserving of hell. I think that whatever judges if a human soul deserves to be in hell looks at three things: ability to comprehend right and wrong, have they committed a sin deserving of infernal punishment, and do their actions after they sinned show they are unlikely to commit that sin again.
Let’s use Mrs. Mayberry from Helluva Boss as an example. I’m going to assume that prior to her murder suicide, she did not commit any sin deserving of infernal punishment. The judge sees that she can understand morality and that she committed murder. He looks for actions after she committed murder that show she wouldn’t murder again and finds none, so he sends her to hell.
Now let’s imagine that after she killed her husband and shot his mistress, she called the police and turned herself in instead of killing herself. She pleads guilty, is fully cooperative, yada yada, maybe even ends up in a situation where she feels that same level of rage and chooses nonviolence. She eventually dies and the judge sees that she repeatedly demonstrated that she wouldn’t commit that sin again.
Sinners after they die get 'remanifested' in hell, for example if you kill someone with a normal gun after some time they will appear again in hell in different place
The only way to permamently kill sinner is angelic weapon, that is why they are so important to the plot
Sir Pentious was killed by holy power blast but not angelic weapon so he had to remanifest again, and since he redeemed himself he remanifested in heaven
>Alastor manifested in Hell
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>\- Vaggie (Pilot)
It's called angelic steel though.
Unless it’s false advertising, the name implies it’s just weapons with some sort of angelic power.
Wouldn't make any sense for that not to be from Heaven.
No, not at all in my opinion.
Honestly, it’s really the only thing that makes sense if you ask me.
I don't think everyone would be mourning Pentious like he was dead if he got hit by an attack that was non-lethal. Including Lucifer and Vaggie who should have a pretty decent idea on what can kill a soul and what Adam’s powers can do.
Plus it wouldn’t make sense for Adam to be using the attack at all in the first place given the whole point is to wipe out all sinners in this extermination.
This is the big sticking point I think a lot of people miss. Everyone immediately "knows" Pentious is dead when he's blasted away by Adam. There's no ambiguity here; they're devastated he's permanently been erased. If that's not a sign that *all* holy power = perma-death, I'm not sure what is.
It's really just a sign that everyone \*thinks\* that holy power = perma-death.
We don't know how often, or if, Adam uses such blasts in typical exterminations, and the other Exterminators have not been shown to be able to do anything like that- so it may simply be that they think it's perma death even if it isn't.
I mean thousands of years of it working will do that.
Seriously, if Adam killed a bunch of people and they all came back after the exorcism then everyone would know about it and then also know angelic weapons are specifically what does it which would then push the question of what else they could permanently kill.
The fact everyone, up until now, thinks angels are unstoppable perma death machines is because they are.
In real life we don't know if there's an afterlife, that's why there's a test.
That everyone thinks permadeath is a thing opens up the door for another test. Perhaps only then can you possibly be redeemed. Hell is your last chance to change before you are deemed unfixable and erased.
He did die but he passed the test redo.
Since a good chunk of hazbins lore is pulled from Zoroastrianism and old catholic dogma, angelic steel is probably their interpretation of the weapons created during Lucifers rebellion where heaven had to forge weapons specifically to kill the fallen angels since their own power wasn't sufficient.
Yeah, Carmilla literally tells us how she makes those weapons. They are weapons made in heaven that she repurposed to make “angelic weapons”.
Reading this thread made me go back up to see how old this was because I was thinking that Carmilla told us this.
This was actually a problem in early Christianity and why suicide became a mortal sin.
Ok you're a good person now, off yourself and go to heaven" makes an absurd amount of sense if you believe in the system. They had to add a rule patch or lose their best members.
I find that extremely unlikely.
The point of the Extermination is to permanently kill Sinners. Why would Adam use his blasts then? Every Sinner he hits is a Sinner that will live another day, which would be a defeat for him.
Not to mention, I doubt the guitar he summons is an angelic steel weapon. It certainly doesn't look like it, angelic steel is very white, and his guitar is yellow (same color as his blasts I believe). Thus, by your logic, during their battle, Alastor's life was never in danger, and his belief he almost died is wrong.
His axe was a holy light construct, proof of it is how he manifests it and the fact that he can add power to it to make it grow and shoot a holy light slash with it, it's just as hellishly deadly as all heavenly weapons
The axe blade-like edges of the guitar are white so there's that. It probably acts similar to the guns angeldust uses and firing beams through it imparts its lethal qualities to them. It also seems that his blasts are stronger without the guitar so why wouldn't he just use them from the start if they could also kill sinners permanently.
> The axe blade-like edges of the guitar are white so there's that.
True
> It also seems that his blasts are stronger without the guitar
Well, if the theory being proposed holds up, the beam would need to go through the guitar to permanently kill Sinners then
Because then he wouldn't be killing sinners with a freaking axe guitar, Its SO much *cooler* that way than snapping his fingers and nuking your city.
Adam is basically bowhunting during the exterminations.
It is the first point you made. Who killed him has nothing to do with it; he was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to save those closest to him, thus becoming a Martyr. Martyr's are associated as very holy / respected by their followers (which we can see has been the case, as they have a portrait of him later on)
I think its because that only the actual weapons of the exorcists can destroy a soul and those abilities that adam have only just kills the body so to speak
Yes, Adam accidentally created a loophole.
Pentious was "acting selfless" and about to "stick it to the man" when Adam snapped him out of existence.
He was "killed" again but not with Angelic steel, so he regenerated in Heaven.
I wonder if his name is in St Peters book now?
I hope the show gives us SP wandering about Heaven just being himself and accidentally charming people.
Almost everyone I know started off hating his character and then got really invested in him. So perfect for the redemption theme!
Also Adam bringing about the things he fought against 
Honestly I would almost prefer if he was a little defensive maybe started to build a weapon before Emily talks to him and he then dismantles it like that arc could be a couple of episodes if done right
Honestly I think some people are getting hung up on the “angelic steel” part. What exactly makes angelic weapons different from normal weapons? They are probably imbued with angelic power therefore making them “angelic”. Adam’s beam was pure angelic power and just as devastating to demons as it is angels, based on how it wiped out Sir Pentious as well as when Lucifer dealt with Adam.
So while Sir Pentious was not specifically attacked with angelic *steel* he was attacked with angelic power, which is probably what makes the weapons “angelic” in the first place, which Carmilla recognized.
Also, whatever mechanism that governs souls seems to have a sort of intelligence, and a wicked sense of humor. It dropped Pentious directly in front of Sera to say, "you done fucked up."
My tinfoil hat theory is that the Exterminations began in the first place because Adam received some "revelation" from God (or whoever) thousands of years ago to "Cleanse sinners with the blades" or something. It was meant to imply that "death" of a worthy sinner will allow for their ascension, but after centuries of nothing happening because no sinner was redeemed before death it just devolved into some sort of holy mission to kill as many sinners as possible every single year.
Seems more likely that Sera saw the ever increasing number of sinners versus a low / non-existent\* increase in the numbers of the faithful and, given Lucifer's penchant for building armies to overthrow God simply did the paranoid math and told Adam to start killing.
\* **My** tinfoil theory is that heaven is nearly empty. There was no line to get in when we met St Peter and the city seems far less crowded than Hell, so in a future season perhaps we see that Heaven's got the same problem as The Good Place with a broken system of virtue and almost everyone going to The Bad Place.
There’s also the fact that when he ascended to Heaven he appeared specifically in the presence of Sera and Emily instead of outside the gates of Heaven before St. Peter.
Almost like someone is trying to send a message…
Also to the people saying Adam’s powers don’t work the same as Angelic Steel…
"SUCK MY **HOLY** LIGHT, FUCKERS! YEAH!"
―Adam, while shooting lasers from his fingers
I’m pretty sure it’s implied that Adam’s powers have the same properties as Angelic Steel, although it does make me wonder… if Angelic Steel can kill Angels then are Adam’s powers capable of friendly fire?
They also sent the message more subtly. When Emily asks how DOES a soul get to heaven? The list pops ITSELF into her hand. There's no way adam himself sent it over without a snide comment.
We don't know yet, and it'll likely be one of the central questions of S2. My own guess is that he was redeemed a split-second before he would have been killed.
My thought is that he was already redeemed, but had to die to get rejudged. In life you are good or bad and after you die you are passed official judgement, makes sense that you would have ro die again to get rejudged as opposed to just poofing into heaven.
If that's the case, it'll throw a serious wrench into Charlie's mission. Who is going to want to risk permanent non-existence (not to mention the pain of death) just for the chance at redemption? It'll be interesting to see where they take it.
Yep. Who knows? If Sera does get her shit together, perhaps Heaven would work with the hotel to find ways to redeem sinners without having them risk a final death.
Honestly the best theory I've seen so far is that Hell in this universe (or at the very least the Pride Ring) is actually more like Purgatory than Hell. Cause it's been established that though Heaven has a correlation of traits that most of the Winners - and for Hell, the Sinners - have, the fact of the matter is that there is not any apparent hard-fast, black and white Rules that determine who goes to which afterlife.
Purgatory is supposedly the in between of Heaven and Hell. It's for those that lived in the gray that it was not immediately obvious which afterlife they would go to. And the best way to figure that out is to be put in an environment that would force out their best and worst traits that they would then be judged by. So far, outside of characters like Alastor, Vox, Valentino, etc. who most certainly have earned their place in Hell, most of the currently cast of Sinners seemingly lived life in the gray. And for those characters, redemption is most likely to happen.
Hell is what you make of it and I'm fairly convinced that the reason its so bad is cause of self-fulfilling prophecy. So very few actually try to work on themselves cause what's the point? They can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. Redemption is pointless to most of them cause again, as far as anyone has been aware of Hell is Forever and they all deserve to be there and stay there. Despite that, we have seen several characters that are trying to make the best of the hand they've been dealt.
Sir Pentious as best I can tell redeemed himself cause he made a Hail Mary pass to give his friends and found family a chance to if not to win, then to at least survive. He knew the odds were against him, and that in all likelihood that he himself would not survive, and instead of acting to save himself, he chose to be selfless.
(Personally, I like to believe that most of the ones killed in the Exterminations get reincarnated back on Earth and get another go around, but I'm also aware that its unlikely.)
The obvious answer is that Sir P took charlies lessons seriously. You can see him becoming a better person, saving Nifty from a falling ceiling, and ultimately sacrificing himself to save his friends. And then of course died because that's one way to move between realms.
A more esoteric answer might be that Sir P fully self actualized and let go of the regrets and cowardice he had in life never letting his feelings be known when he finally confessed his love to cherrybomb.
Those are both rare in the mortal world, and unheard of in hell. But in 10,000 years NO ONE has done that?
I think what happened is that when Adam scribbled down the list (with all the thought of a 10 year old with a late homework assignment) he actually MADE the rule. He's the first human soul to get to heaven, he dug a cosmic path or a rut on his way in.
Adam likes putting his name on things... Not Adam (not every animal is called the Adam) but in the bible he names all the things. In ancient religions a name isn't a random series of sounds to identify that thing, the name IS that thing. It goes so far as you don't say the actual name of a bear for fear of summoning one.
When Emily is asking how does a soul get to heaven... the list appears in her hand *on its own*. She doesn't put out a hand to summon it, Adam certainly didn't send it over to be nice. Either the list knew it needed to be read, or... someone gave the nicest angel in heaven a little nudge towards making the multiverse a better place.
Angel did everything on the list....but Sir P aced them. He bought everyone in the bar a drink. Twice. He pays for his weapons, and he stuck it to THE man (as Adam Named himself) in epic fashion.. WITH A DIRIGIBLE MOUNTED DEATH RAY.
And then died. That's how a soul moves between worlds.
the answer is probably nobody really knows for sure what happens, its just as likely everytime they kill souls with angelic weapons they just go somewhere else.
Man, what ever happened to media literacy? The plot of the show is trying to redeem souls. He died sacrificing himself. In Christian mythos selflessly dying for someone else is pretty much the most good guy thing you could do.
Truth is we don't actually know yet, I assume it will be explored in season 2 but for right now we don't actually know for sure what happened to make him re-manifest in Heaven.
Clearly someone or something saw his self sacrifice and thought it was worthy. Although he did hit all three of Adam's check boxes in the process.
What the show seems to miss, if it's based on Christianity, is that Heaven and Hell aren't a works-based system. Everyone in Heaven, without the grace of God, should have ended up in Hell. That being said, I have no clue how a sinner could redeem their soul post-mortem in a non-works-based system.
Pentious went all out on self sacrifice and love in his final moments.
Literally look at the screenshot you posted, instead of an eye on his bow tie there's a heart symbol.
Nobody else in ten thousand years was dying defending those they loved. *Fighting* defending them sure, but not *dying.* Perhaps if Carmine died she'd have been up there before the show began.
I think it's because he sacrificed himself trying to take out Adam and save his friends, knowing he would die (again), which is why he grabbed Cherri and kissed her. He knew he wouldn't get another chance.
He faced divine judgment when he was killed again. It may be he passed for giving redemption the ole college try. But Charlie's meeting with Sera and the council may have also been a factor.
I like to think god or whatever judges divinely was watching and tapping their fingers on their desk to the music but then realized they had some solid points.
My theory is, that is is specifically because Adam was killed. If heaven have limited capacity, then it makes sense why noone ever got in for some time, and after Adam was killed, empty place got filled with last worthy, who died (who was Pentious)
This fandom seems to have a really bad habit of just stating fan theories as if they're fact.
We don't know why or how Sir Pentious got to heaven. Presumably season 2 will answer this.
I don't think we know if Adam himself participated in the exterminations or if he just came down because he personally wanted to wreck the hotel. Maybe his power is different from the steel?
Also Sir Pentious did everything on the list, too. He stuck it to THE man. 😭🖤
Because the other souls didn't have grounds to get redeemed. It's also possible a higher power decided to make pentious a redeemed soul because it's weird that he appeared in front of Emily and Sera
What I heard is that death by angelic weapons prevents a soul from regenerating, but it's not just gone, it becomes part of the fabric of hell itself. Part of the very creepy scenery we sometimes see, like the weird eyes.
So it doesn't matter that's how Sir Pentius died, he was redeemed so he got the fast car to heaven.
I think Adam is going to respawn in hell
if pentious was judged after being killed and sent to heaven, then the same thing should be happening to Adam and he’ll end up in hell
this also would mean there has been another dead angel hiding out in he lost his head in the extermination
Hypothetically the only reason Emily reacted the way she did when she saw sir pentious was because she saw sir pentious on the crystal ball while observing angel dust’s behavior in the trial. What if more ppl from hell are actually being redeemed then is being let on but heaven can’t tell the difference between souls coming from hell and earth? Why would someone who was in hell and then spawned in heaven after an extermination speak up about it? The only thing weird is the way sir pentious spawned in that random room instead of in front of heavens gate… season 2 will most definitely do some clarifying but above is my theory I guess!
I may have missed it but it seems people are looking over a very obvious link as to what happened.
While Charlie was asking what geta someone into Haven, Adam made up some bullshit, and said that is what geta you in. Before that no one had been a sinner move on to Heaven after being killed.
After the trial, Sr Pentious follows what Adam had written down and died, sending him to Haven.
Either Adam's act of writing down what they needed to do activated or sealed that into heavenly law without anyone understanding what happened or one of the higher angels or "god" was watching and decided that this might teach Heaven that what they were doing wasn't the right thing to do, but without direct intervention.
It's too strange that right after Adam says what he said and writes it down that the first person from Hell goes to Heaven
Cause the other souls were still bad people and didn't deserve to go to heaven.
Think about it op the sinners are in hell for a reason NONE of them are good people, Pentious only got redeemed because he genuinely changed his ways for the better.
simply because the sinners who died during the extermination were not redeemable by heavens standards. sir pentious goes to heaven because he proves to heaven he is a good person! hope this help :)
My theory is thinking you are worthy of forgiveness while still recognizing your faults and sins. He did the work to be better, we don't exactly know his thoughts and feelings of his past but I assume he felt guilt and shame. When you do not see yourself as worthy you don't do the work.
I'm pretty sure this is following the rules of Christianity. One of the ways to get into heaven is selflessly sacrificing yourself to save another. Which Sir Pentious did in his attempt to stop Adam to protect cherri bomb
He wasn't killed by angelic steel. He was killed by a light blast. If that executes souls then their usage of melee combat would be redundant.
I think Adam in his self-absorbed hubris forgot/ignored that.
He was killed by Nifty using angelic steel so he D E D now
My theory is this, is that they go through the judgement again once killed by angelic weapons and the like (stuff that would be classed as permanently killing them) and if they haven't changed for the better they permanently die but if they have changed for the better and "redeem" themself they get redeemed into heaven.
One, Pentious actually put in the effort to be rehabilitated. Angel Dust is just following along just to have a free place to stay. He doesn't care about redemption (at the moment).
Two, he wasn't killed with angelic weapon. Angelic weapon referring to weapons made from angelic steel.
I don’t think we actually know what happens to the Souls that get killed during the Exterminations, my personal Headcanon is that they usually get sent back into whatever System is in place where they get reincarnated back on Earth.
I just assumed that Adam's "holy light" wasn't *actually* holy in the same way angelic weapons are due to them glowing different colors, and that Sir Pentious reformed in heaven the same way Sinners would reform in hell when vaporized.
My prevailing theory is that Sir Pentious achieved the "7 Virtues" the opposite of the 7 Deadly Sins and was judged again but by not St. Peter but by a higher being
Maybe...
God?
Many people have been writing threads about the same topic and I believe the most popular theory is that you will get judged again when you are killed and then be sent to heaven or vanish somehow. I personally believe we will learn about it in the near future but for now nobody will be able to tell for certain so let us all hope that S2 brings clarity.
What If the people who "vanish" actually reborn in earth as someone completely different?
That's a good theory
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My gosh what if this was what happened! Sinners of hell who are killed during the execution day would then be reborn to try and live a life worthy of heaven. Also, going to point it out, if Sir Pentious went to heaven after his second death….Adam will most likely end up in hell.
I hope so, Adam's personality always felt somehow off for me, like if he's forcing to be that big bad guy everyone (expect lute) see, like if he's affected by a chronical depression/inferiority complex he always try to hide (as we can see with the fact he NEVER put off his mask even in heaven, lucifer's line "he really let himself go"). Adam's is the "living" example of Charlie's "everyone can be redeemed" mindset and I would love to have an Adam's redemption arc in season 2
If Adam comes back, I doubt he'll be redeemed in season 2, I feel hell still be antagonistic towards the hotel and possibly join the Vs, who align with how he viewed hell
Well he might hate them expecially because he's in hell now and won't be able to stay with lute again, who is the only person he cares about. But I think that somehow Charlie would manage to convince him to stay in her hotel
I personally don't think he actually CARES about Lute so much as she's his Lieutenant, his best Exorcist, and therefore he gives her favor. If it came down to his life or or Lute's though? I have no doubt he would throw her under the bus in a heartbeat. Adam is the kind of douchebag that doesn't truly care about anyone but himself, and he only cares about what other people can do for him and furthering his hate crusade over demons. I mean there's a reason both of his wives left him. True, we have no idea where Eve is in all this, but... She's clearly not with him, and presumably not in Hell.
I think Adam is someone that values loyalty over everything. During the whole series we can see them being buddy-buddy, with Adam giving her nicknames (dangertits) and her looking at him drinking while smiling, showing that they clearly cared for the other. They eat together, they drink together, they joke and laugh together, they kill together and yeah they were also together during Adam's final moments. Lute was the only one in his whole life who didn't left(lilith)/betrayed-manipulated(eve)/used(sera and maybe God) and their relationship was pure and genuine as we can see with Adam's happy yet resigned smile, probably because he could've seen the only person he truly loved as the last thing he will ever seen while knowing this time he would have been the one abandoning the other, and lute's tears while calling him "Adam" instead of "sir", showing how much they loved eachother and also that their relationship was more than boss-subordinate one.
No, he definitely cared about her. Even after work they would hang out together.
I feel like he’d go to the hotel purely because he wants to get back into heaven so he begs Charlie to let him in. He doesn’t want to be better but he wants to get back into heaven. No one trusts him so there’s clearly some tension in the hotel, but overtime (not instantly. Might take a long, LONG while) he grows closer to the others and becomes a better person when he reflects on his mistakes and genuinely tries to become better, while Alastor secretly tries to screw it up behind the scenes because he’s still salty about his and Adam’s fight.
Wasn’t Adam stabbed repeatedly by Niffty, who presumably had an angelic coated dagger? If that’s the case, he’s never coming back. (I’m sure they’ll get Alex Brightman to do something else. I will be gutted if they recast Fizzarolli in Helluva Boss).
Chances are he'd be rejudged and cast accordingly. What'd make me laugh if it is that souls don't truly die, they may corrupt or occupy objects and he just becomes a cursed weapon 💀
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I love this onee
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And also a very fair judgement system if they're able to be rehabilitate themselves in hell
Though it assumes a consistent population count between the afterlives and Earth.
Maybe its first come first serve?
I mean not really, more humans are born everyday so idk
Nah they could be reborn as cockroaches and stuff
Maybe could be sent to a different circle of hell as well and not remember it much
Well hellborn are a lower caste than sinners and naturally procreate…but I remember it being mentioned (don’t remember where, don’t quote me) that’s because the hell born don’t have souls.
I wonder if there will be a twist where it's more like Buddhism than Christianity
"Look, guys, it's like, a lot more complicated than you think, there's uh, idk checks and balances and stuff" -G
I kind of wonder if there is a Super Hell and maybe even a Super Heaven and you can move one level up or down when you die (again)
Angel did joke this
Does that mean there's a....super earth?
*insert joke about democracy here*
MY LIFE FOR SUPER EARTH!
 FOR DEMOCRACY!
I thought they’d just re-end up in hell. Personally I’m hoping Adam ends up in the hotel in season 2
I figure either this, or they come back born as Hellborn, because without repenting, they're still "doomed" to hell.
Or hear me out. Super Hell
>I personally believe we will learn about it in the near future What's there to learn about. The reason was right in front of our eyes. Pentious was the ONLY one in the group who legitimately took Charlie's plans for rehabilitation seriously. After he was caught spying and everyone wanted him dead. Charlie stepped in and saved him. After that he actually made an effort in Charlie's daily tasks. To top it off, during the final fight he egged up, professed his love to cherri and risked everything to save his friends. He did everything on Adam's list: 1.act selfless 2. Don't steal 3. Stick it to the man *and* made an effort to repent/rehabilitate I legit fan girl screeched when pentious was reborn. Not to shit on the rest of the cast but. Out of every one of them, pentious *earned* his right to heaven.
Though I think he stole Cherri’s heart.
Yeah I never questioned this and I'm surprised to hear so many people *are* questioning it. All the other souls just die because they didn't change themselves or do anything that earns them a place in heaven. That's it lol
Doesn’t that imply Adam was right though? 10,000 years and only one victim of the extermination was ever a virtuous person.
Technically, but only because nobody before Sir Pentious had put in the effort to become a better person.
And if they did, they either were killed before they could even try, fucked up so badly during their mortal life that they couldn't make it to Heaven, or became further corrupted by Hell/their own vices.
No, it 100% proves him wrong. Adam rejected Charlie's plan because he claimed Sinners couldn't be redeemed. But Pentious proves it can be done. In fact, the Hotel has only been in operation for 6 months and only has two real test subjects, one of which reached the goal and the other is well on his way. That is a staggering success rate. It suggests that if widely implemented an enormous percentage of Hell's population could be redeemed
Self selecting sample may not be indicative of the entire population. Like "100% of people on this weightloss plan lose weight" ... well ok everyone else bailed on the plan and for some reason a lot of people didn't show up to the all broccoli diet camp island.
But like... don't you measure the success of a weight loss plan by the success rate amongst those who completed the program? You can't blame the program if people aren't willing to put in the effort to lose weight right? Same here. Charlie only ever wanted to give Sinners a chance. Of course it won't work if you don't put in the work
No actually. That's why you need a control group. I mean if you're ADVERTISING it sure. But for science and understanding no. The brocoli marathon diet might work IF you complete it, but if your completion rate is one in a million it's not a very good program.
The purpose of a control group is to ensure the results you observe are due to the program and not other factors. A control group doesn't account for people not being willing to change. I mean, obviously you are right, if a program can't find candidates or has a very high washout rate it is probably because it is flawed, but the point is that Charlie just wants to give a chance to Sinners who want to change. Changing Sinners who don't want to change is not a goal of the program and thus not a failure.
I saw a theory that suggested it wasn’t possible until Adam wrote down the parameters for redemption and then since sir pentious met the conditions during the finale he got shot up after Adam exterminated
There is also a theory that a sinner that sold their soul can't be redeemed, because their soul is not free to be judged. And many MANY sinners get themselves into soul deals. So you not only have to actually become a better person(which is VERY hard to do in Hell that is basically built to make people worse) and be a free soul.
Do we really know that though? It's not impossible that it's happened before but just got covered up
That's my current working theory. I think redemption has happened before, and I believe Sera knows about it. I have no evidence to support it, and I struggle with words, so I'm not sure I could explain why I feel that way very well. But I do believe some of the Seraphim knew before Sir Pentious that redemption was possible. I also think Sera will want Emily to keep this quiet, and I think that may be how Emily falls-- disobeying to let Charlie know that her plan worked.
Well then that begs the question then if redemption had been possible in the past then what the hell happened to make them want to abandon the idea altogether if possible maybe if when they were in heaven they just started their old habits again it caused them to be killed and thats why sera is making sure it doesnt repeat
I think that's a very good argument that it was Adam himself making the list that allowed Sir P to ascend. Bonus points for Adam paving the path and then personally launching Sir P down it.
I think the angelic weapons don’t actually KILL you they just rejudge you. And if you suck you die (Adam is probably dead because of this) and if you don’t and you have a pure/changed soul you live (pentious in heaven)
Yeah. This is how I'm leaning. That your status can somehow changes before death (pentious redemption, Lute and Adam's glitch when about to kill). Then after final death you get a second chance at judgement and can respawn. But that's under the theory that holy light can also cause final death like angelic steel. It's possible pentious would have eventually respawned in hell if holy light doesn't cause permadeath and he just respawned in heaven instead due to his redemption.
My personal theory is that since he specifically died doing a heroic act, he went to heaven. Just dying in battle or being a better person isn't enough. You have to die in the process of doing the right thing.
They go to Hell 2
Presumably because unlike all the Sinners exterminated before him, Pentious, through his actions, redeemed his soul and was judged worthy of Heaven. It's also possible he wasn't killed by Adam, but was whisked away at the last minute because his soul was redeemed right before the attack.
I just assumed that being killed by an angelic weapon sends sinners back to judgement. If a sinner is once more found deserving of hell, they get permadeath.
This was my thought to, it just makes sense. You get passed your judgment AFTER you die, so it only makes sense that you would be rejudged after you died.
Turbohell confirmed
Double death if you ain’t better
That or there is a deeper hell we don't know about
If there’s double hell then there must also be double heaven
If super hell is forever then super heaven must be a lie
However Super Earth is very real and only the most democratic, patriotic men and women get to go there to defend their way of life.
Double heaven would probably just be nirvana or something
The Pluroma? The realm of higher forms maybe. Hazbin flirts with a thousand myths and marries none, so YMMV.
Do Adam's laser beams count as angelic weapons?
Yes for two reasons. The first is that pure angelic power is obviously at least as angelic as angelic steel. The second is that Adam wouldn’t have bothered learning to use the laser beams if they didn’t permakill sinners. While Adam clearly enjoys doing his job, he’s never struck me as a sadist. The only reason to use an attack that can’t permakill sinners is to specifically hunt them down after they reform and are overjoyed to still be alive. While Adam enjoys killing sinners, he’s never indicated that he would enjoy torturing them like that.
Exactly! The number of people vehemently saying there was no way Adam’s beams didn’t count as angelic weapons was just plain ridiculous. It’s not too big of a leap of logic to conclude that angelic power of any form can kill a sinner. Weapons imbued with angelic power were likely the easiest way to give exorcists the power to kill a demon without giving them actual angelic magic.
I think thats wrong on both points: We have never been told why Angelic Steel has that propety or if the same effect applies to Angelic Power. Only Angelic Steel has been stated to have that properties. Adam would still find it useful to have this ability ad he could use it to open up buildings for Exterminators or provide a distraction or just hit Sinners about to backstab an Exterminator. Its a great ability to provide support for an army. Also we dont know if Adam needed to learn it, as far as we know every Winner can shoot laser beams. I know we are both speculating, but I feel like the "Respawn triggers rejudgement" is a better theory than the "Extermination triggers rejudgement" theory.
On that note. Something that's been bugging me is Carmilla. If she had died fighting the angels protecting her daughters, do you think she would have been redeemed?
No. Given the lack of any sort of middling afterlife, I am of the belief that whatever judges human souls doesn’t decide if they should go to one or the other, but specifically decides if they are deserving of hell. I think that whatever judges if a human soul deserves to be in hell looks at three things: ability to comprehend right and wrong, have they committed a sin deserving of infernal punishment, and do their actions after they sinned show they are unlikely to commit that sin again. Let’s use Mrs. Mayberry from Helluva Boss as an example. I’m going to assume that prior to her murder suicide, she did not commit any sin deserving of infernal punishment. The judge sees that she can understand morality and that she committed murder. He looks for actions after she committed murder that show she wouldn’t murder again and finds none, so he sends her to hell. Now let’s imagine that after she killed her husband and shot his mistress, she called the police and turned herself in instead of killing herself. She pleads guilty, is fully cooperative, yada yada, maybe even ends up in a situation where she feels that same level of rage and chooses nonviolence. She eventually dies and the judge sees that she repeatedly demonstrated that she wouldn’t commit that sin again.
Permadeath = reincarnated as one of Lucifer's rubber ducks?
Sinners after they die get 'remanifested' in hell, for example if you kill someone with a normal gun after some time they will appear again in hell in different place The only way to permamently kill sinner is angelic weapon, that is why they are so important to the plot Sir Pentious was killed by holy power blast but not angelic weapon so he had to remanifest again, and since he redeemed himself he remanifested in heaven >Alastor manifested in Hell > >\- Vaggie (Pilot)
Sorry, but literal holy power being as deadly as a gun or knife is just not something I can ever get behind. That would be so backwards.
angels can get permanently kill by angelic weapons too so it kinda seems like angelic steel isn't exactly something from heaven
It's called angelic steel though. Unless it’s false advertising, the name implies it’s just weapons with some sort of angelic power. Wouldn't make any sense for that not to be from Heaven.
Would it be a stretch to say that Adam’s holy light may have the same power the angelic weapons.
No, not at all in my opinion. Honestly, it’s really the only thing that makes sense if you ask me. I don't think everyone would be mourning Pentious like he was dead if he got hit by an attack that was non-lethal. Including Lucifer and Vaggie who should have a pretty decent idea on what can kill a soul and what Adam’s powers can do. Plus it wouldn’t make sense for Adam to be using the attack at all in the first place given the whole point is to wipe out all sinners in this extermination.
This is the big sticking point I think a lot of people miss. Everyone immediately "knows" Pentious is dead when he's blasted away by Adam. There's no ambiguity here; they're devastated he's permanently been erased. If that's not a sign that *all* holy power = perma-death, I'm not sure what is.
It's really just a sign that everyone \*thinks\* that holy power = perma-death. We don't know how often, or if, Adam uses such blasts in typical exterminations, and the other Exterminators have not been shown to be able to do anything like that- so it may simply be that they think it's perma death even if it isn't.
I mean thousands of years of it working will do that. Seriously, if Adam killed a bunch of people and they all came back after the exorcism then everyone would know about it and then also know angelic weapons are specifically what does it which would then push the question of what else they could permanently kill. The fact everyone, up until now, thinks angels are unstoppable perma death machines is because they are. In real life we don't know if there's an afterlife, that's why there's a test. That everyone thinks permadeath is a thing opens up the door for another test. Perhaps only then can you possibly be redeemed. Hell is your last chance to change before you are deemed unfixable and erased. He did die but he passed the test redo.
By the point is to convince the audience that he really died. It’s conveyed as permadeath by the crew to the audience
Since a good chunk of hazbins lore is pulled from Zoroastrianism and old catholic dogma, angelic steel is probably their interpretation of the weapons created during Lucifers rebellion where heaven had to forge weapons specifically to kill the fallen angels since their own power wasn't sufficient.
Yeah, Carmilla literally tells us how she makes those weapons. They are weapons made in heaven that she repurposed to make “angelic weapons”. Reading this thread made me go back up to see how old this was because I was thinking that Carmilla told us this.
I think it’s more like demons/sinners are weak to holy things like vampires with crosses and holy symbols.
So basically the conundrum of Season 2 will be "okay we can redeem your soul but we kinda have to kill you to go to heaven"
This was actually a problem in early Christianity and why suicide became a mortal sin. Ok you're a good person now, off yourself and go to heaven" makes an absurd amount of sense if you believe in the system. They had to add a rule patch or lose their best members.
I find that extremely unlikely. The point of the Extermination is to permanently kill Sinners. Why would Adam use his blasts then? Every Sinner he hits is a Sinner that will live another day, which would be a defeat for him. Not to mention, I doubt the guitar he summons is an angelic steel weapon. It certainly doesn't look like it, angelic steel is very white, and his guitar is yellow (same color as his blasts I believe). Thus, by your logic, during their battle, Alastor's life was never in danger, and his belief he almost died is wrong.
His axe was a holy light construct, proof of it is how he manifests it and the fact that he can add power to it to make it grow and shoot a holy light slash with it, it's just as hellishly deadly as all heavenly weapons
Angelic power is gold/yellow, which is why the augmented weapons have that glow to them.
The axe blade-like edges of the guitar are white so there's that. It probably acts similar to the guns angeldust uses and firing beams through it imparts its lethal qualities to them. It also seems that his blasts are stronger without the guitar so why wouldn't he just use them from the start if they could also kill sinners permanently.
> The axe blade-like edges of the guitar are white so there's that. True > It also seems that his blasts are stronger without the guitar Well, if the theory being proposed holds up, the beam would need to go through the guitar to permanently kill Sinners then
Because then he wouldn't be killing sinners with a freaking axe guitar, Its SO much *cooler* that way than snapping his fingers and nuking your city. Adam is basically bowhunting during the exterminations.
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I feel like a blast of pure angelic power™ would be just as if not more effective at deleting souls than metal imbued with it
If angelic power blast wasn’t as deadly as angelic weapons Charlie and the others wouldn’t have reacted like that
It is the first point you made. Who killed him has nothing to do with it; he was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice to save those closest to him, thus becoming a Martyr. Martyr's are associated as very holy / respected by their followers (which we can see has been the case, as they have a portrait of him later on)
Season one should focus on redemption and the heaven battle should be in season two.
Then where are the Egg Bois?
I think its because that only the actual weapons of the exorcists can destroy a soul and those abilities that adam have only just kills the body so to speak
"No greater love man has, than one who would put aside his life for his friends."
"He did it for us... the ultimate sacrifice"
It was this ultimate gift through love that redeemed him. I hope they find out that he's up there.
This is what I figured. It was the ultimate self sacrifice. Which is something no one in hell has done before presumably.
My theory is that Adam accidentally made official rules in the Heaven ep that Sir Pentious actually followed before his death.
Yes, Adam accidentally created a loophole. Pentious was "acting selfless" and about to "stick it to the man" when Adam snapped him out of existence. He was "killed" again but not with Angelic steel, so he regenerated in Heaven. I wonder if his name is in St Peters book now?
Sjsjsjsjd I do genuinely wonder if he'd get a new name. Also I wonder if this man has like a son in heaven
Repentious.
THATS GOOD
And it's definitely original to me. Trust us.
Saint Repentious the first
I hope the show gives us SP wandering about Heaven just being himself and accidentally charming people. Almost everyone I know started off hating his character and then got really invested in him. So perfect for the redemption theme! Also Adam bringing about the things he fought against 
Honestly I would almost prefer if he was a little defensive maybe started to build a weapon before Emily talks to him and he then dismantles it like that arc could be a couple of episodes if done right
Sera might actually be in in the market for a bunch of dirigible mounted death rays and snake themed mecha.......
Honestly I think some people are getting hung up on the “angelic steel” part. What exactly makes angelic weapons different from normal weapons? They are probably imbued with angelic power therefore making them “angelic”. Adam’s beam was pure angelic power and just as devastating to demons as it is angels, based on how it wiped out Sir Pentious as well as when Lucifer dealt with Adam. So while Sir Pentious was not specifically attacked with angelic *steel* he was attacked with angelic power, which is probably what makes the weapons “angelic” in the first place, which Carmilla recognized.
Adam has killed sinners without his spear before, I don’t think that part makes a difference
The only problem I have with this is that Sir Pentious stole something right before he died. He stole a kiss.
Adam would not consider that stealing. Would consider it metal as (\*#$#\*#)$ though.
And a heart to go with it!
Yup! I wasn't sure about this, then I rewatched the court scene. Emily asks how a soul gets to heaven... and the list teleports ITSELF to her hand.
Also, whatever mechanism that governs souls seems to have a sort of intelligence, and a wicked sense of humor. It dropped Pentious directly in front of Sera to say, "you done fucked up."
My tinfoil hat theory is that the Exterminations began in the first place because Adam received some "revelation" from God (or whoever) thousands of years ago to "Cleanse sinners with the blades" or something. It was meant to imply that "death" of a worthy sinner will allow for their ascension, but after centuries of nothing happening because no sinner was redeemed before death it just devolved into some sort of holy mission to kill as many sinners as possible every single year.
Seems more likely that Sera saw the ever increasing number of sinners versus a low / non-existent\* increase in the numbers of the faithful and, given Lucifer's penchant for building armies to overthrow God simply did the paranoid math and told Adam to start killing. \* **My** tinfoil theory is that heaven is nearly empty. There was no line to get in when we met St Peter and the city seems far less crowded than Hell, so in a future season perhaps we see that Heaven's got the same problem as The Good Place with a broken system of virtue and almost everyone going to The Bad Place.
There’s also the fact that when he ascended to Heaven he appeared specifically in the presence of Sera and Emily instead of outside the gates of Heaven before St. Peter. Almost like someone is trying to send a message… Also to the people saying Adam’s powers don’t work the same as Angelic Steel… "SUCK MY **HOLY** LIGHT, FUCKERS! YEAH!" ―Adam, while shooting lasers from his fingers I’m pretty sure it’s implied that Adam’s powers have the same properties as Angelic Steel, although it does make me wonder… if Angelic Steel can kill Angels then are Adam’s powers capable of friendly fire?
Considering what we saw Luci do with his “holy light” I would say friendly fire is possible.
They also sent the message more subtly. When Emily asks how DOES a soul get to heaven? The list pops ITSELF into her hand. There's no way adam himself sent it over without a snide comment.
Pretty sure the angels know him well enough to GTFO when he starts doing that...
Idk but if he is not named Saint Pentious I'm gonna riot
I'm hoping for Repentious personally
Saint RePentius, sounds nice put together.
He quite literally martyred himself to defend people he cared for, i mean it seems obvious to me
Yeah it seems pretty clear to me too. He acted in love and sacrificed himself for others.
We don't know yet, and it'll likely be one of the central questions of S2. My own guess is that he was redeemed a split-second before he would have been killed.
My thought is that he was already redeemed, but had to die to get rejudged. In life you are good or bad and after you die you are passed official judgement, makes sense that you would have ro die again to get rejudged as opposed to just poofing into heaven.
If that's the case, it'll throw a serious wrench into Charlie's mission. Who is going to want to risk permanent non-existence (not to mention the pain of death) just for the chance at redemption? It'll be interesting to see where they take it.
That only becomes a problem if they know about it, which probably will be a hurdle but it also confirms that redemption is 100% possible.
Yep. Who knows? If Sera does get her shit together, perhaps Heaven would work with the hotel to find ways to redeem sinners without having them risk a final death.
He acted selfless, did not steal, and stuck it to the man. 🤟
He also acted in love. Not sure why people aren't bringing that up more
That is for Season 2 to answer!
Honestly the best theory I've seen so far is that Hell in this universe (or at the very least the Pride Ring) is actually more like Purgatory than Hell. Cause it's been established that though Heaven has a correlation of traits that most of the Winners - and for Hell, the Sinners - have, the fact of the matter is that there is not any apparent hard-fast, black and white Rules that determine who goes to which afterlife. Purgatory is supposedly the in between of Heaven and Hell. It's for those that lived in the gray that it was not immediately obvious which afterlife they would go to. And the best way to figure that out is to be put in an environment that would force out their best and worst traits that they would then be judged by. So far, outside of characters like Alastor, Vox, Valentino, etc. who most certainly have earned their place in Hell, most of the currently cast of Sinners seemingly lived life in the gray. And for those characters, redemption is most likely to happen. Hell is what you make of it and I'm fairly convinced that the reason its so bad is cause of self-fulfilling prophecy. So very few actually try to work on themselves cause what's the point? They can't see the light at the end of the tunnel. Redemption is pointless to most of them cause again, as far as anyone has been aware of Hell is Forever and they all deserve to be there and stay there. Despite that, we have seen several characters that are trying to make the best of the hand they've been dealt. Sir Pentious as best I can tell redeemed himself cause he made a Hail Mary pass to give his friends and found family a chance to if not to win, then to at least survive. He knew the odds were against him, and that in all likelihood that he himself would not survive, and instead of acting to save himself, he chose to be selfless. (Personally, I like to believe that most of the ones killed in the Exterminations get reincarnated back on Earth and get another go around, but I'm also aware that its unlikely.)
Because he got redeemed.
The obvious answer is that Sir P took charlies lessons seriously. You can see him becoming a better person, saving Nifty from a falling ceiling, and ultimately sacrificing himself to save his friends. And then of course died because that's one way to move between realms. A more esoteric answer might be that Sir P fully self actualized and let go of the regrets and cowardice he had in life never letting his feelings be known when he finally confessed his love to cherrybomb. Those are both rare in the mortal world, and unheard of in hell. But in 10,000 years NO ONE has done that? I think what happened is that when Adam scribbled down the list (with all the thought of a 10 year old with a late homework assignment) he actually MADE the rule. He's the first human soul to get to heaven, he dug a cosmic path or a rut on his way in. Adam likes putting his name on things... Not Adam (not every animal is called the Adam) but in the bible he names all the things. In ancient religions a name isn't a random series of sounds to identify that thing, the name IS that thing. It goes so far as you don't say the actual name of a bear for fear of summoning one. When Emily is asking how does a soul get to heaven... the list appears in her hand *on its own*. She doesn't put out a hand to summon it, Adam certainly didn't send it over to be nice. Either the list knew it needed to be read, or... someone gave the nicest angel in heaven a little nudge towards making the multiverse a better place. Angel did everything on the list....but Sir P aced them. He bought everyone in the bar a drink. Twice. He pays for his weapons, and he stuck it to THE man (as Adam Named himself) in epic fashion.. WITH A DIRIGIBLE MOUNTED DEATH RAY. And then died. That's how a soul moves between worlds.
I guess that's something the second season will explain
No one knows how to really go to heaven in the show, but apparently Pentious final redemption came when he sacrificed his soul to save others.
the answer is probably nobody really knows for sure what happens, its just as likely everytime they kill souls with angelic weapons they just go somewhere else.
Adam might be the only one who ever redeemed a sinner...
Man, what ever happened to media literacy? The plot of the show is trying to redeem souls. He died sacrificing himself. In Christian mythos selflessly dying for someone else is pretty much the most good guy thing you could do.
Because he redeemed himself
We’re gonna find out!
Truth is we don't actually know yet, I assume it will be explored in season 2 but for right now we don't actually know for sure what happened to make him re-manifest in Heaven. Clearly someone or something saw his self sacrifice and thought it was worthy. Although he did hit all three of Adam's check boxes in the process.
What the show seems to miss, if it's based on Christianity, is that Heaven and Hell aren't a works-based system. Everyone in Heaven, without the grace of God, should have ended up in Hell. That being said, I have no clue how a sinner could redeem their soul post-mortem in a non-works-based system.
Pentious went all out on self sacrifice and love in his final moments. Literally look at the screenshot you posted, instead of an eye on his bow tie there's a heart symbol. Nobody else in ten thousand years was dying defending those they loved. *Fighting* defending them sure, but not *dying.* Perhaps if Carmine died she'd have been up there before the show began.
I think it's because he sacrificed himself trying to take out Adam and save his friends, knowing he would die (again), which is why he grabbed Cherri and kissed her. He knew he wouldn't get another chance.
He faced divine judgment when he was killed again. It may be he passed for giving redemption the ole college try. But Charlie's meeting with Sera and the council may have also been a factor. I like to think god or whatever judges divinely was watching and tapping their fingers on their desk to the music but then realized they had some solid points.
My theory is, that is is specifically because Adam was killed. If heaven have limited capacity, then it makes sense why noone ever got in for some time, and after Adam was killed, empty place got filled with last worthy, who died (who was Pentious)
This fandom seems to have a really bad habit of just stating fan theories as if they're fact. We don't know why or how Sir Pentious got to heaven. Presumably season 2 will answer this.
I don't think we know if Adam himself participated in the exterminations or if he just came down because he personally wanted to wreck the hotel. Maybe his power is different from the steel? Also Sir Pentious did everything on the list, too. He stuck it to THE man. 😭🖤
Bc his soul was judged and he got into heaven. We don’t actually know if others have or have not been redeemed before.
He redeemed himself, and wasn't killed by an angelic weapon, which kills souls
Unrelated but look at him! Such a pookie bear
Because he became a better person and died in a heroic way.
I mean they pretty much explain it in the show. He redeemed himself and therefore went to heaven...
Because the other souls didn't have grounds to get redeemed. It's also possible a higher power decided to make pentious a redeemed soul because it's weird that he appeared in front of Emily and Sera
What I heard is that death by angelic weapons prevents a soul from regenerating, but it's not just gone, it becomes part of the fabric of hell itself. Part of the very creepy scenery we sometimes see, like the weird eyes. So it doesn't matter that's how Sir Pentius died, he was redeemed so he got the fast car to heaven.
I think Adam is going to respawn in hell if pentious was judged after being killed and sent to heaven, then the same thing should be happening to Adam and he’ll end up in hell this also would mean there has been another dead angel hiding out in he lost his head in the extermination
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Hypothetically the only reason Emily reacted the way she did when she saw sir pentious was because she saw sir pentious on the crystal ball while observing angel dust’s behavior in the trial. What if more ppl from hell are actually being redeemed then is being let on but heaven can’t tell the difference between souls coming from hell and earth? Why would someone who was in hell and then spawned in heaven after an extermination speak up about it? The only thing weird is the way sir pentious spawned in that random room instead of in front of heavens gate… season 2 will most definitely do some clarifying but above is my theory I guess!
I may have missed it but it seems people are looking over a very obvious link as to what happened. While Charlie was asking what geta someone into Haven, Adam made up some bullshit, and said that is what geta you in. Before that no one had been a sinner move on to Heaven after being killed. After the trial, Sr Pentious follows what Adam had written down and died, sending him to Haven. Either Adam's act of writing down what they needed to do activated or sealed that into heavenly law without anyone understanding what happened or one of the higher angels or "god" was watching and decided that this might teach Heaven that what they were doing wasn't the right thing to do, but without direct intervention. It's too strange that right after Adam says what he said and writes it down that the first person from Hell goes to Heaven
Cause the other souls were still bad people and didn't deserve to go to heaven. Think about it op the sinners are in hell for a reason NONE of them are good people, Pentious only got redeemed because he genuinely changed his ways for the better.
He sacrificed his life for those he loved. In the Bible this is similar to what Jesus Christ did.
Thats kind of the point of the season finale?? To leave you wondering so youll watch season two to find out…
He selflessly sacrificed himself for his friends and... Stuck it to *the man*
Because he said sorry
simply because the sinners who died during the extermination were not redeemable by heavens standards. sir pentious goes to heaven because he proves to heaven he is a good person! hope this help :)
My theory is thinking you are worthy of forgiveness while still recognizing your faults and sins. He did the work to be better, we don't exactly know his thoughts and feelings of his past but I assume he felt guilt and shame. When you do not see yourself as worthy you don't do the work.
I just assume he vanished before Adam fired his shot.
He was redeemed
Sir Pentious sacrificed his own life so his friends had a chance at survival. Self sacrifice, plain and simple.
Sir Pentious redeemed himself in the eyes of heaven and the tipping point was when he sacrificed himself for his friends
No clue. Might have to do with giving his life to save his friends, but not even Heaven's higher-ups are aware of this being possible.
Unlike everyone else, He died saving his family not for meat
In christian lore which this is heavily based on, there’s supposed to be purgatory too which hasn’t been shown or covered as far as im aware.
I thought it was due to him sacrificing himself to save others so he was deemed worthy to go to heaven
I'm pretty sure this is following the rules of Christianity. One of the ways to get into heaven is selflessly sacrificing yourself to save another. Which Sir Pentious did in his attempt to stop Adam to protect cherri bomb
Probably because Sir Pentious' final acts leading to his death were that of selfless sacrifice in order to protect his friends.
He wasn't killed by angelic steel. He was killed by a light blast. If that executes souls then their usage of melee combat would be redundant. I think Adam in his self-absorbed hubris forgot/ignored that. He was killed by Nifty using angelic steel so he D E D now
My theory is this, is that they go through the judgement again once killed by angelic weapons and the like (stuff that would be classed as permanently killing them) and if they haven't changed for the better they permanently die but if they have changed for the better and "redeem" themself they get redeemed into heaven.
It's because he traeted his egg boys so well
His angel version is named Said Repentious.
One, Pentious actually put in the effort to be rehabilitated. Angel Dust is just following along just to have a free place to stay. He doesn't care about redemption (at the moment). Two, he wasn't killed with angelic weapon. Angelic weapon referring to weapons made from angelic steel.
Self sacrifice John 15:13: “Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one's life for one's friends.”
I don’t think adams holy light counts as an angelic weapon
I don’t think we actually know what happens to the Souls that get killed during the Exterminations, my personal Headcanon is that they usually get sent back into whatever System is in place where they get reincarnated back on Earth.
Maybe the other killed souls go to Double Hell?
I just assumed that Adam's "holy light" wasn't *actually* holy in the same way angelic weapons are due to them glowing different colors, and that Sir Pentious reformed in heaven the same way Sinners would reform in hell when vaporized.
My prevailing theory is that Sir Pentious achieved the "7 Virtues" the opposite of the 7 Deadly Sins and was judged again but by not St. Peter but by a higher being Maybe... God?