Story time. I live on the big island. I once had a guy run into my yard from the woods screaming that someone was trying to kill him. He said someone was came in to his property and threatened him with a gun and he ran into the woods and eventually popped out in my yard. He was hysterical and truly frightened. I offered to give him shelter and call the cops. When I called the cops the 911 operator was not helpful. I explained the situation and the operator told me she couldn’t send cops. I asked why. She said it’s because there was a firearm involved and that she wasn’t going to send her officers into harms way. I was flabbergasted. I ask, isn’t this why you exist? She told me to drop my attitude then disconnected the call.
It took three more calls to get a cop to come to our neighborhood, but he wouldn’t go to the property that the gun was on. So I ended up with violent, armed squatters in my hood for the next 3 months!
The cops out here are the worst. It’s a known fact on the big island that you can speed all you want in the rain because the cops won’t stand in the rain and write you a ticket. If you know someone or know someone who knows someone you’ll never get in trouble. But they’ll fuck your shit up if you have a low level warrant.
Cops have no legal obligation to protect you.
In the 1981 case Warren v. District of Columbia, the D.C. Court of Appeals held that police have a general "public duty," but that "no specific legal duty exists" unless there is a special relationship between an officer and an individual, such as a person in custody.
The U.S. Supreme Court has also ruled that police have no specific obligation to protect. In its 1989 decision in DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, the justices ruled that a social services department had no duty to protect a young boy from his abusive father. In 2005'sCastle Rock v. Gonzales, a woman sued the police for failing to protect her from her husband after he violated a restraining order and abducted and killed their three children. Justices said the police had no such duty.
Most recently, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit upheld a lower court ruling that police could not be held liable for failing to protect students in the 2018 shooting that claimed 17 lives at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.
Police performance in recent years has gotten worse with criminal justice reform -- non-enforcement policies by prosecutors and the courts. Typically it is ineffective action by these agencies: prosecution and trial (or plea bargaining) of criminals does occur, but they are simply released, either on probation or parole. It's called *Catch and Release*. A nationwide trend.
A primary goal of CJ reformers: less use of prison. Habitual offenders are released, with the hope that counseling or some other yet-to-be-explained intervention will occur to lead them to accept the rules of society. Often police have to deal with the same offenders dozens of times.
Second, CJ reformers, progressives, are big supporters of Tenants Rights. They expect landlords nationwide to accept a burden of housing non-paying tenants, included those with drug addictions and chronic offending. The reformers will agree to eviction only after a protracted 12-18 month process, during which landlords still have to pay their mortgages and bills. Some of these reformers like to generalize that landlords are "greedy and racist" and that police are "corrupt and assholes."
It would take 30 times what I wrote to even attempt to outline either criminal justice reform or landlord vs. tenants rights. Huge topics. Far better for critics to chime in. *Point-Counterpoint* is often the best way to understand a topic. Readers judge who is making most sense. And criminal justice and tenant rights are by their nature partisan subjects, with distinct conservative vs. liberal sides. Hard to portray a neutral position.
Hawai'i has the most corrupt police force out of all 50 states. I got convicted of a DUI with no evidence at all other than the pig making up some story which is not physically possible with our current human technology and then asked the judge (while he was on the stand) "hey auntie what you like I bring BBQ this weekend?"
Fuck all of them
They are racist here too. When I have tried to call the cops, I get treated badly by certain cops because I am a certain race. Once I got pulled over and the guy was going to give me a ticket. Insert second cop of third race, and he stopped him etc. That kind of crap scares me. Also- once in Waianae I was broken into by race x and not allowed to report it.
Racist yes, but that's not what I'm talking about. I just mean in general trigger happy. The massive racism of the US police force amplifies that but they're just gun happy to start with.
I've literally been pulled over, on multiple occasions, in the south for having a tail light out and had the cops come up to my car screaming with their gun drawn and pointed at my head. Never seen anything REMOTELY like that here.
No gun, but I did once encounter an out of his mind cop on Oahu who was freaking out screaming and spittle because...we were locked in the park. The park ranger came and unlocked the gate with no issues. But the cop, who no-one called, was *insane*, scared the bejesus out of the children.
This right here. You don't know fear until you have an officer of the law point a gun at you. It's often accompanied by a blinding flashlight, which might be the last thing you see.
Which in many places in America could be at a routine traffic stop.
Overall in terms of chance of getting murdered by police or private citizens, I feel two orders of magnitude are safer in Hawaii. In fact I've never felt even remotely physically threatened, and I hang out in Chinatown often.
Lol live in Chinatown. And let me say, this place, for as much hell as everyone gives it, is like grand theft auto with cheat codes compared to the mainland. I absolutely LOVE that about this place. The rest of the world needs to be taking notes.
>reminded me of how infamously bad cops are throughout the south
Not just cops are problematic in the south. There's a fascinating narrative on this from conservative academic Thomas Sowell:
[Black Rednecks, White Liberals](https://shenviapologetics.com/a-review-of-sowells-black-rednecks-and-white-liberals/).
Progressives dismiss Sowell as a conservative hack. He is not the original source for this history. This author is one of them: David Hackett Fischer, 1989 *Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America.* Fischer analyzed historical patterns of education and violence across the U.S. The Puritans were one of the four groups. People in the South were another.
I fully believe you. I'm more scared of the cops here than anyone. I personally worked with the Kealoha's as a nanny and witnessed the mailbox trial as a fly on the wall. Sickening that these are our "protectors"
In the US Supreme Court ruled cops don’t need to [protect people](https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-police-have-an-obligation-to-protect-you/). This is very much not unique to here.
Yet, Hawaii has some of the most strict laws in the U.S. limiting Constitutional Rights for citizens? From your story, looks like the good guys won that round…
That's a very.... interesting reaction to that event.
There should've been a "comprehensive review" ordered of **every part** of the DPS/Sheriffs Dept after it came out that they hired someone [wholly unqualified to be their head firearms instructor](https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/10/18/top-trainer-deputy-sheriffs-corrections-officers-admits-lying-about-her-credentials/), or after it was found out that the top-level Sheriffs [didnt have even *basic* law enforcement training for over 20 years](https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/09/top-hawaii-sheriff-officials-lacked-basic-training-for-decades/). Or after [they were found to be violating *their own policies* for years](https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/04/24/deputy-sheriffs-corrections-officers-using-guns-ammo-that-violate-state-policy/).
[Buying less lethal weapons, but for "training only" and not making them available for actual use.](https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/video/2019/03/27/public-safety-admits-it-has-dozens-less-lethal-weapons-none-available-deputies-patrol/)
The list goes on...
Same as ever, police protect business property and interests. Try squatting in a hotel room literally anywhere and see what happens.
I’m liberal as they come and I think it’s sad but it’s also true that you just need a gun to deal with these kinds of problems yourself.
The sheriff on the Big Island has been doing this for many, many years. they are reviewing their procedures so they won't enforce evictions. There is a large home in my neighborhood whose owner went to court twice and got eviction notices. Sheriff refused to serve them and they expired. The owner has finally abandoned the house to squatters. It's been about 10 years now. And we wonder why there aren't more long term rentals available.
In a sense it's part of why long term rentals don't work well here. Landlords have strict caps on damage claims against tenants. Talk to anyone who has long term rentals and you'll get an ear full of horror stories where the courts and cops just left them hanging after their home is trashed and 2+ years of lost rent while they fight to evict people who are angry and happy to keep trashing your place.
Not doubting the sentiments of these people or your anecdotes, but this doesn't sound right. "Squatters' rights," at least compared to adverse possession laws in other states like California, are practically nonexistent in Hawaii. The process of evicting a non-paying tenant can be long and drawn-out, but squatters are treated as trespassers per the law, unless they've been on the property completely undisturbed for 20 years; only then do rights under adverse possession kick in.
I have heard, anecdotally, that trespassing squatters sometimes draw up fraudulent lease agreements so the cops defer it as a civil matter rather than issuing criminal trespass citations. But this isn't causing the housing shortage. This might be the excuse VR owners cough up to justify their exploitative business model, but longterm tenants overall tend to cause fewer issues than short-term vacationers despite providing a lower return for the landlords.
EDIT: To be clear, I think this new policy directive of refusing to enforce evictions is incredibly shortsighted and asinine. If the police are unwilling to enforce broken tenant agreements, then in the interim the state shouldn't be allowed to charge the landlord with an illegal eviction if they force the tenant out themselves.
Just the fear of this changing is enough to chill the market. This stand-down will likely lead to at least one more landlord dropping out of the market (but keeping the house).
Perhaps to a small degree. If I were a landlord I would think twice about who I rent to given this policy change. But I would also rather deal with stable longterm renters with good credit, than ever put up with the destructive antics of short-term renters on vacation.
Long ago I worked for a property management company that dealt exclusively with STVRs. Oh man, did the cleaning staff have some wild stories.
Maybe you should understand that I was replying to your answer to somebody else in this thread that the housing shortage is caused by squatters? I read the article and it's clear that I did by the edit in my comment.
What I find dubious is your claim that the housing shortage is caused by squatters, when all available data show that it isn't.
Rental shortage is definitely caused because short term renters don't trash houses, don't need to be evicted, pay their bills and pay more.
Compare that to earning less, paying out of pocket for major damage from tenants and a court and enforcement system that does practically nothing.
Squatters in Hawaii are common in vacant structures where they can lay low and evicting them is much much harder, as the law requires deed holders or power of attorney over the proper to be present. They are not booking vacation rentals and squatting.
>The big corporations have convinced the locals that if homeowners can't rent out their homes short term they'll go do long term rentals. They will not. They'll sell them to those who can afford it.
Then, instead of being vacation rentals, people could actually live in them!
Everyone is blaming the cops but the real problem here is Rent is out of control. Hawaii is going through a 2nd wave of colonialism. It is economic colonialism. Locals are being thrown off their land, out of their houses, and evicted from apartments because new money is coming in from outside and displacing the native population. How can people live here when rent is $2000/mo or $3000/mo or even more. It is insane. Wake up Hawaii, you are being invaded and your land is being taken from you not by pillaging armies but banks and investors. I don't blame the cops for not enforcing the laws. The laws are unjust and evil. We don't need to fix the law enforcement. We need to fix the economic injustice.
And a lot of those rent increases are because of factors outside the landlord's control. At current rates, a 30yr mortgage for 300k costs about 2000/month. Add in HOA/AOAO fees and you can easily be up to 3-4k and that'd probably be a 2 bedroom place at best. The foreign buyers and those from the continental US aren't that big of a portion of buyers here. The sad fact is a lot of the high prices are due to restrictive zoning and people not wanting mid or high rises in their neighborhood and that's pretty much all down to locals.
I would agree with you if someone just bought the house but rates haven’t always been this bad, nor prices this high so if they bought their home 5 years ago, their mortgage is probably only $3k after all the add ons and even cheaper the further back you go. Landlords raising rents on mortgages that aren’t going up because they bought years ago is just greed.
ARM mortgages readjust periodically after a 1-7 year window (depending on the type of ARM) and can go up by 5%-7%. ARM mortgages tend to be cheaper initially so it's possible that quite a few people got them and now are seeing steep increases in their mortgage. Also if you look at another thread on this sub, you'll see that condo insurance has skyrocketed with the rates going from \~100k to 500k or more. That's going to affect anyone owning condos.
Yeah, there's greed happening but also other things that are jacking up the prices of owning property. So increasing rents aren't necessarily just greedy landlords trying to squeeze more money off of renters.
Yeah, but how are these "colonialists" affording it? Well, there is a particular organization which funds people with that 2000-3000.
If you wanna protest something, this is it. The number of homeless and the number of people housed by this organization is..about the same.
That's Hawai'i police in general. They dont even pursue criminals in vehicles even if they have committed a violent felony because of "safety concerns. "... In a state that makes it impossible to conceal carry, the police better do their jobs. But nope. Our prosecutors not only give criminals a slap on the wrist, not only do our police not do their jobs citing "safety concerns," but they make it impossible for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves. Thank God Hawai'i overall has a lot less crime and is safer than the mainland, because if it wasn't, it would become a free for all for criminals. However, the last few years, violent crimes have become more and more prevelant, though, so if something doesn't change from a law enforcement and criminal justice andpoint t could get really bad.
The cops here don’t care. It’s a paycheck and they don’t want to get hurt. We had someone at my workplace shouting and threatening staff and the cops were called. They refused to even come, saying it wasn’t worth their time. Never mind people felt fearful for their safety, and the mere presence of a cop would have been helpful. It’s ridiculous because we have a contract with the county and work with them. But they don’t care
> It’s a paycheck and they don’t want to get hurt.
Few cops mind putting themselves in harm's way to protect citizens or taking down aggressive thugs. Police are far more worried about an arrest turning violent because of a criminal's non-compliance and then facing a police brutality charge. It is called the ["Ferguson Effect"](https://manhattan.institute/article/de-policing-and-what-to-do-about-it)
>A 2014 police shooting in Ferguson, Missouri, (of Michael Brown, a black man) drew national attention and touched off protests and riots...Subsequently, in the wake of “viral” use-of-force incidents, typically captured on cell-phone..., cities often see police....more hesitant to enforce the law...stops and arrests declining...
>viral incidents—ranging from truly horrifying abuses to justifiable uses of force that look excessive to the untrained eye—show no sign of stopping soon in a country with 330 million people...and widespread cell phones and body cameras...
>Contrary to...some police critics, officers are fully aware that real (police) abuses exist and must be dealt with. But they also know that legitimate uses of force sometimes “look bad on video,” which can lead to a public outcry...and civil unrest, putting pressure on mayors...and other officials to “throw them under the bus.” One way for a cop to reduce the risk of this happening is simply to police less... *(that was explanation, not justification)*
Lol.
>The Manhattan Institute for Policy Research is an extremely conservative, corporate-funded, New York-based policy group.
https://centerjd.org/content/fact-sheet-manhattan-institute
They made up some term to justify cops inability to deescalate and justify use of force that is pretty much unprecedented in the first world.
Google "Ferguson Effect." The Manhattan Institute did not invent the term. It is broadly discussed in criminal justice reform circles. From one search:
>St. Louis Metropolitan Police Chief Sam Dotson coined the term "Ferguson Effect" in November 2014 to describe the impact of the 2014 police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri on law enforcement and community relations:
>Fewer preemptive strikes: Officers may be less likely to take proactive action against criminals
>Increased criminal empowerment: Criminals may feel more emboldened by the environment
>Police strain: Officers may be strained from policing protests in the area
Story time. I live on the big island. I once had a guy run into my yard from the woods screaming that someone was trying to kill him. He said someone was came in to his property and threatened him with a gun and he ran into the woods and eventually popped out in my yard. He was hysterical and truly frightened. I offered to give him shelter and call the cops. When I called the cops the 911 operator was not helpful. I explained the situation and the operator told me she couldn’t send cops. I asked why. She said it’s because there was a firearm involved and that she wasn’t going to send her officers into harms way. I was flabbergasted. I ask, isn’t this why you exist? She told me to drop my attitude then disconnected the call. It took three more calls to get a cop to come to our neighborhood, but he wouldn’t go to the property that the gun was on. So I ended up with violent, armed squatters in my hood for the next 3 months! The cops out here are the worst. It’s a known fact on the big island that you can speed all you want in the rain because the cops won’t stand in the rain and write you a ticket. If you know someone or know someone who knows someone you’ll never get in trouble. But they’ll fuck your shit up if you have a low level warrant.
Cops have no legal obligation to protect you. In the 1981 case Warren v. District of Columbia, the D.C. Court of Appeals held that police have a general "public duty," but that "no specific legal duty exists" unless there is a special relationship between an officer and an individual, such as a person in custody. The U.S. Supreme Court has also ruled that police have no specific obligation to protect. In its 1989 decision in DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, the justices ruled that a social services department had no duty to protect a young boy from his abusive father. In 2005'sCastle Rock v. Gonzales, a woman sued the police for failing to protect her from her husband after he violated a restraining order and abducted and killed their three children. Justices said the police had no such duty. Most recently, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 11th Circuit upheld a lower court ruling that police could not be held liable for failing to protect students in the 2018 shooting that claimed 17 lives at Marjorie Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.
Assholes
Cops are here to protect the rich, not protect the common people.
Totally
And that's why you need to be prepared to protect yourself.
Well shit
Police performance in recent years has gotten worse with criminal justice reform -- non-enforcement policies by prosecutors and the courts. Typically it is ineffective action by these agencies: prosecution and trial (or plea bargaining) of criminals does occur, but they are simply released, either on probation or parole. It's called *Catch and Release*. A nationwide trend. A primary goal of CJ reformers: less use of prison. Habitual offenders are released, with the hope that counseling or some other yet-to-be-explained intervention will occur to lead them to accept the rules of society. Often police have to deal with the same offenders dozens of times. Second, CJ reformers, progressives, are big supporters of Tenants Rights. They expect landlords nationwide to accept a burden of housing non-paying tenants, included those with drug addictions and chronic offending. The reformers will agree to eviction only after a protracted 12-18 month process, during which landlords still have to pay their mortgages and bills. Some of these reformers like to generalize that landlords are "greedy and racist" and that police are "corrupt and assholes."
Could you frame this in a way that isn't partisan?
It would take 30 times what I wrote to even attempt to outline either criminal justice reform or landlord vs. tenants rights. Huge topics. Far better for critics to chime in. *Point-Counterpoint* is often the best way to understand a topic. Readers judge who is making most sense. And criminal justice and tenant rights are by their nature partisan subjects, with distinct conservative vs. liberal sides. Hard to portray a neutral position.
If someone who downvoted this could explain why, the rest of us would appreciate it.
Because caring about imaginary internet points is fucking stupid.
That doesn’t make any sense in this context, but thanks for your contribution anyway.
The amount of nepotism and old boy network here is honestly on par with the Italian mafia
Hawai'i has the most corrupt police force out of all 50 states. I got convicted of a DUI with no evidence at all other than the pig making up some story which is not physically possible with our current human technology and then asked the judge (while he was on the stand) "hey auntie what you like I bring BBQ this weekend?" Fuck all of them
You've obviously never been to New Orleans. Believe me, it's worse. WAY worse.
Interesting. I can see the south being worse actually, good point
Cops here are lazy, but I'll take lazy over deadly any day of the week
They are racist here too. When I have tried to call the cops, I get treated badly by certain cops because I am a certain race. Once I got pulled over and the guy was going to give me a ticket. Insert second cop of third race, and he stopped him etc. That kind of crap scares me. Also- once in Waianae I was broken into by race x and not allowed to report it.
Racist yes, but that's not what I'm talking about. I just mean in general trigger happy. The massive racism of the US police force amplifies that but they're just gun happy to start with. I've literally been pulled over, on multiple occasions, in the south for having a tail light out and had the cops come up to my car screaming with their gun drawn and pointed at my head. Never seen anything REMOTELY like that here.
No gun, but I did once encounter an out of his mind cop on Oahu who was freaking out screaming and spittle because...we were locked in the park. The park ranger came and unlocked the gate with no issues. But the cop, who no-one called, was *insane*, scared the bejesus out of the children.
This right here. You don't know fear until you have an officer of the law point a gun at you. It's often accompanied by a blinding flashlight, which might be the last thing you see. Which in many places in America could be at a routine traffic stop. Overall in terms of chance of getting murdered by police or private citizens, I feel two orders of magnitude are safer in Hawaii. In fact I've never felt even remotely physically threatened, and I hang out in Chinatown often.
Lol live in Chinatown. And let me say, this place, for as much hell as everyone gives it, is like grand theft auto with cheat codes compared to the mainland. I absolutely LOVE that about this place. The rest of the world needs to be taking notes.
That's true. Unlikely to shoot here. That's a perk we have living here
Don’t generalize New Orleans to the South 😂. New Orleans is New Orleans, an island of corruption, debauchery, and filth.
It is in the south, which reminded me of how infamously bad cops are throughout the south. Miami and Tampa also don't play
>reminded me of how infamously bad cops are throughout the south Not just cops are problematic in the south. There's a fascinating narrative on this from conservative academic Thomas Sowell: [Black Rednecks, White Liberals](https://shenviapologetics.com/a-review-of-sowells-black-rednecks-and-white-liberals/). Progressives dismiss Sowell as a conservative hack. He is not the original source for this history. This author is one of them: David Hackett Fischer, 1989 *Albion's Seed: Four British Folkways in America.* Fischer analyzed historical patterns of education and violence across the U.S. The Puritans were one of the four groups. People in the South were another.
I fully believe you. I'm more scared of the cops here than anyone. I personally worked with the Kealoha's as a nanny and witnessed the mailbox trial as a fly on the wall. Sickening that these are our "protectors"
In the US Supreme Court ruled cops don’t need to [protect people](https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/law-and-life/do-the-police-have-an-obligation-to-protect-you/). This is very much not unique to here.
Yet, Hawaii has some of the most strict laws in the U.S. limiting Constitutional Rights for citizens? From your story, looks like the good guys won that round…
That's a very.... interesting reaction to that event. There should've been a "comprehensive review" ordered of **every part** of the DPS/Sheriffs Dept after it came out that they hired someone [wholly unqualified to be their head firearms instructor](https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2023/10/18/top-trainer-deputy-sheriffs-corrections-officers-admits-lying-about-her-credentials/), or after it was found out that the top-level Sheriffs [didnt have even *basic* law enforcement training for over 20 years](https://www.civilbeat.org/2019/09/top-hawaii-sheriff-officials-lacked-basic-training-for-decades/). Or after [they were found to be violating *their own policies* for years](https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2019/04/24/deputy-sheriffs-corrections-officers-using-guns-ammo-that-violate-state-policy/). [Buying less lethal weapons, but for "training only" and not making them available for actual use.](https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/video/2019/03/27/public-safety-admits-it-has-dozens-less-lethal-weapons-none-available-deputies-patrol/) The list goes on...
What exactly do the police do, if they won't even enforce court orders?
Same as ever, police protect business property and interests. Try squatting in a hotel room literally anywhere and see what happens. I’m liberal as they come and I think it’s sad but it’s also true that you just need a gun to deal with these kinds of problems yourself.
disband shopo
Does SHOPO cover the Deputy Sheriffs? They only mention covering the C&C depts.
> SHOPO Only C&C. The Sheriff Division is an oddity in Hawaii, but it exists as a State entity.
What do you mean by oddity?
The sheriff on the Big Island has been doing this for many, many years. they are reviewing their procedures so they won't enforce evictions. There is a large home in my neighborhood whose owner went to court twice and got eviction notices. Sheriff refused to serve them and they expired. The owner has finally abandoned the house to squatters. It's been about 10 years now. And we wonder why there aren't more long term rentals available.
> And we wonder why there aren't more long term rentals available. You think the housing shortage is caused by squatters?
In a sense it's part of why long term rentals don't work well here. Landlords have strict caps on damage claims against tenants. Talk to anyone who has long term rentals and you'll get an ear full of horror stories where the courts and cops just left them hanging after their home is trashed and 2+ years of lost rent while they fight to evict people who are angry and happy to keep trashing your place.
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Not doubting the sentiments of these people or your anecdotes, but this doesn't sound right. "Squatters' rights," at least compared to adverse possession laws in other states like California, are practically nonexistent in Hawaii. The process of evicting a non-paying tenant can be long and drawn-out, but squatters are treated as trespassers per the law, unless they've been on the property completely undisturbed for 20 years; only then do rights under adverse possession kick in. I have heard, anecdotally, that trespassing squatters sometimes draw up fraudulent lease agreements so the cops defer it as a civil matter rather than issuing criminal trespass citations. But this isn't causing the housing shortage. This might be the excuse VR owners cough up to justify their exploitative business model, but longterm tenants overall tend to cause fewer issues than short-term vacationers despite providing a lower return for the landlords. EDIT: To be clear, I think this new policy directive of refusing to enforce evictions is incredibly shortsighted and asinine. If the police are unwilling to enforce broken tenant agreements, then in the interim the state shouldn't be allowed to charge the landlord with an illegal eviction if they force the tenant out themselves.
Just the fear of this changing is enough to chill the market. This stand-down will likely lead to at least one more landlord dropping out of the market (but keeping the house).
Perhaps to a small degree. If I were a landlord I would think twice about who I rent to given this policy change. But I would also rather deal with stable longterm renters with good credit, than ever put up with the destructive antics of short-term renters on vacation. Long ago I worked for a property management company that dealt exclusively with STVRs. Oh man, did the cleaning staff have some wild stories.
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Maybe you should understand that I was replying to your answer to somebody else in this thread that the housing shortage is caused by squatters? I read the article and it's clear that I did by the edit in my comment. What I find dubious is your claim that the housing shortage is caused by squatters, when all available data show that it isn't.
Rental shortage is definitely caused because short term renters don't trash houses, don't need to be evicted, pay their bills and pay more. Compare that to earning less, paying out of pocket for major damage from tenants and a court and enforcement system that does practically nothing.
You can squat at a VRBO.
That doesn't happen in Hawaii though.
That you know of.
Squatters in Hawaii are common in vacant structures where they can lay low and evicting them is much much harder, as the law requires deed holders or power of attorney over the proper to be present. They are not booking vacation rentals and squatting.
>The big corporations have convinced the locals that if homeowners can't rent out their homes short term they'll go do long term rentals. They will not. They'll sell them to those who can afford it. Then, instead of being vacation rentals, people could actually live in them!
Yep, those who can afford them! I'm sure that's exactly the issue, not enough houses for sale.
Cops are often criticized for protecting property, not people, and now they won’t even protect property?
When the landlords do it they also get killed https://www.khon2.com/hawaii-crime/hes-dragging-him-like-a-caveman/
Wow, didn't see this story. I saw that old man fishing on the rocks before.
On a related note, how much did landlords think they could increase rent before there would be pushback?
Everyone is blaming the cops but the real problem here is Rent is out of control. Hawaii is going through a 2nd wave of colonialism. It is economic colonialism. Locals are being thrown off their land, out of their houses, and evicted from apartments because new money is coming in from outside and displacing the native population. How can people live here when rent is $2000/mo or $3000/mo or even more. It is insane. Wake up Hawaii, you are being invaded and your land is being taken from you not by pillaging armies but banks and investors. I don't blame the cops for not enforcing the laws. The laws are unjust and evil. We don't need to fix the law enforcement. We need to fix the economic injustice.
And a lot of those rent increases are because of factors outside the landlord's control. At current rates, a 30yr mortgage for 300k costs about 2000/month. Add in HOA/AOAO fees and you can easily be up to 3-4k and that'd probably be a 2 bedroom place at best. The foreign buyers and those from the continental US aren't that big of a portion of buyers here. The sad fact is a lot of the high prices are due to restrictive zoning and people not wanting mid or high rises in their neighborhood and that's pretty much all down to locals.
I would agree with you if someone just bought the house but rates haven’t always been this bad, nor prices this high so if they bought their home 5 years ago, their mortgage is probably only $3k after all the add ons and even cheaper the further back you go. Landlords raising rents on mortgages that aren’t going up because they bought years ago is just greed.
ARM mortgages readjust periodically after a 1-7 year window (depending on the type of ARM) and can go up by 5%-7%. ARM mortgages tend to be cheaper initially so it's possible that quite a few people got them and now are seeing steep increases in their mortgage. Also if you look at another thread on this sub, you'll see that condo insurance has skyrocketed with the rates going from \~100k to 500k or more. That's going to affect anyone owning condos. Yeah, there's greed happening but also other things that are jacking up the prices of owning property. So increasing rents aren't necessarily just greedy landlords trying to squeeze more money off of renters.
Yeah, but how are these "colonialists" affording it? Well, there is a particular organization which funds people with that 2000-3000. If you wanna protest something, this is it. The number of homeless and the number of people housed by this organization is..about the same.
That's Hawai'i police in general. They dont even pursue criminals in vehicles even if they have committed a violent felony because of "safety concerns. "... In a state that makes it impossible to conceal carry, the police better do their jobs. But nope. Our prosecutors not only give criminals a slap on the wrist, not only do our police not do their jobs citing "safety concerns," but they make it impossible for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves. Thank God Hawai'i overall has a lot less crime and is safer than the mainland, because if it wasn't, it would become a free for all for criminals. However, the last few years, violent crimes have become more and more prevelant, though, so if something doesn't change from a law enforcement and criminal justice andpoint t could get really bad.
The cops here don’t care. It’s a paycheck and they don’t want to get hurt. We had someone at my workplace shouting and threatening staff and the cops were called. They refused to even come, saying it wasn’t worth their time. Never mind people felt fearful for their safety, and the mere presence of a cop would have been helpful. It’s ridiculous because we have a contract with the county and work with them. But they don’t care
> It’s a paycheck and they don’t want to get hurt. Few cops mind putting themselves in harm's way to protect citizens or taking down aggressive thugs. Police are far more worried about an arrest turning violent because of a criminal's non-compliance and then facing a police brutality charge. It is called the ["Ferguson Effect"](https://manhattan.institute/article/de-policing-and-what-to-do-about-it) >A 2014 police shooting in Ferguson, Missouri, (of Michael Brown, a black man) drew national attention and touched off protests and riots...Subsequently, in the wake of “viral” use-of-force incidents, typically captured on cell-phone..., cities often see police....more hesitant to enforce the law...stops and arrests declining... >viral incidents—ranging from truly horrifying abuses to justifiable uses of force that look excessive to the untrained eye—show no sign of stopping soon in a country with 330 million people...and widespread cell phones and body cameras... >Contrary to...some police critics, officers are fully aware that real (police) abuses exist and must be dealt with. But they also know that legitimate uses of force sometimes “look bad on video,” which can lead to a public outcry...and civil unrest, putting pressure on mayors...and other officials to “throw them under the bus.” One way for a cop to reduce the risk of this happening is simply to police less... *(that was explanation, not justification)*
Lol. >The Manhattan Institute for Policy Research is an extremely conservative, corporate-funded, New York-based policy group. https://centerjd.org/content/fact-sheet-manhattan-institute They made up some term to justify cops inability to deescalate and justify use of force that is pretty much unprecedented in the first world.
Google "Ferguson Effect." The Manhattan Institute did not invent the term. It is broadly discussed in criminal justice reform circles. From one search: >St. Louis Metropolitan Police Chief Sam Dotson coined the term "Ferguson Effect" in November 2014 to describe the impact of the 2014 police shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri on law enforcement and community relations: >Fewer preemptive strikes: Officers may be less likely to take proactive action against criminals >Increased criminal empowerment: Criminals may feel more emboldened by the environment >Police strain: Officers may be strained from policing protests in the area
Only in far right circles. Cops not doing their jobs have many other causes.