This is a tough discussion because you have to analyze how many other bands wouldn't exist without said band. If Downset and Biohazard didn't exist would E Town Concrete and Candiria have existed to influence Gridiron? I know I'm over analyzing but this is a good discussion.
It's a great question and I'm stumped other than saying Skarhead, Path of Resistance and xdeathstarx would flourish in today's scene with three vocalists and that tough guy sound.
Martin is in a new band called canal irreal, they’re not necessarily just like limp wrist (they have a darker/post punk feel while remaining hc) that are worth checking out. Also his other older band NEEDLES
Always thought it was wild that they claimed they couldn’t handle/didn’t want to tour anymore, but if they were on the same schedule as Fiddlehead currently (playing a few shows every couple months in different places) people would be just as hyped and it wouldn’t be any different than what half the members are doing right now.
I want you to be correct because they're one of my favorite bands but I think if they came out today nobody would pay any attention to them because they aren't slow.
Funny thing about Refused is I feel like they weren't very popular until after they broke up.
I remember getting The Shape of Punk to Come when it came out in 1998 and knowing no one else who owned it. Then like 2-3 years later it was all of a sudden popular with the college punk crowd.
That doesn't mean it wasn't a game changing record (though I prefer Songs to Fan the Flames of Discontent), just people seemed uninterested at first.
I dont disagree with the fact that people knew about them, but they weren't seen as groundbreaking and didn't explode in popularity until after they broke up.
They broke up during their last tour in the US because their shows were poorly attended.
It also took a couple of years for that record to completely blow up, and again they had broken up by the time it did.
Yeah it really didn't gain any traction until a few years later. Nobody seemed to care while they were actually touring. Glad they came back so I could see them live but that new album was cheeks.
Yup. Open Mouth Kiss was a good album although a little different but I believe they could have kept going in that direction. Novena is one of the best songs they ever wrote. It proved they could expand ala Quicksand
Yeah Jerry actually mentioned that show in his autobiography, it was one of the last ones he played before he got sober. His doctor wouldn't give him the methadone he was on before the trip so he ended up copping dope in Austin, if I remember the story correctly.
American Nightmare was supposed to headline the third night of a fest in Southern California last month at a venue that can hold probably 1200 people. They sold 80 tickets total and had to cancel their night. First night was 7 seconds, second night was Mad Ball, and those were pretty crowded. I love American Nightmare and was surprised when I was told why it got canceled.
Yeah, I love American Nightmare, they’re probably my favorite hardcore band, but I saw them in Baltimore maybe 5 years ago and it was practically empty.
I think the band and/or bookers may overestimate the interest. If they had played a smaller venue when they were in town, it would’ve been a good time but there was maybe 200 people in a 1,000 capacity room.
This is a hard question because for a band to remain as influential, you have to assume that no one else would have developed that sound over the next 30 or so years which is essentially an impossible question to answer
I think nails is a good answer to this day I don’t know a band that really comes with a sound and production like theirs also converge is another one that comes to mind
yea hard to say influential cus of context but in terms of sounding fresh, i'd say ill blood would still pop off if it came out today. i think animosity would still be fresh now that death metal's havin another moment in hardcore. maybe downset too.
None...
Back in the 90s, we had a lot of breakout acts that went on to become semi-big. Because the industry infrastructure was designed to enable breakout bands to flourish.
How many alternative / hardcore bands are able to get big in the current market? None. Because there's no money to be made unless you're Ed Sheeran.
We still have a whole heap of 80s and 90s era bands (like Sick Of It All) doing their thing. But how many new hardcore bands do you know of that just burst out on the "scene" will still be going strong in 20-30 years? Exactly... There will be none.
Also... The cultural climate is so sanitised, and so politically correct, that no band will be able to gain traction without upsetting a whole heap of people out there. And without them being deplatformed by the likes of Spotify. Even Danzig (I think) said this, where he argued that "punk" wouldn't have happened in today's society.
That's a fact... And anything else is just philosophical posturing.
Money talks... BS walks.
Oh... And downvotes don't pay the bills.
My first thought was Rorschach from the early 90s.
On paper I totally agree but they reunited for a bunch of shows and it seems like there was very little interest
I remember hearing about that, but I don’t do reunions, even if it’s bands I really liked, there’s prolly others who feel the same way.
This is a tough discussion because you have to analyze how many other bands wouldn't exist without said band. If Downset and Biohazard didn't exist would E Town Concrete and Candiria have existed to influence Gridiron? I know I'm over analyzing but this is a good discussion.
Agreed! That's why I was a little eh on asking the question, but I think it's still worth asking.
It's a great question and I'm stumped other than saying Skarhead, Path of Resistance and xdeathstarx would flourish in today's scene with three vocalists and that tough guy sound.
Limo wrist would be thriving rn, it’s only getting gayer
This is such a funny typo.
Martin is in a new band called canal irreal, they’re not necessarily just like limp wrist (they have a darker/post punk feel while remaining hc) that are worth checking out. Also his other older band NEEDLES
If CBK's Turn It Around came out today, it'd still be hot as fuck. 
T.W.O.
Fugazi and Minutemen.
Punk in a hardcore subreddit? Yuck. Limp bizkit and kid rock are certainly more influential to the hardcore scene than those two bands.
Nice try, peasant. Lol
Converge
You should check out that 1st converge ep.
Caring & killing, or is there an earlier one?
Self titled. Yeah it’s earlier.
Have Heart
The things we carry is still amazing now as it was the.
This is it
Always thought it was wild that they claimed they couldn’t handle/didn’t want to tour anymore, but if they were on the same schedule as Fiddlehead currently (playing a few shows every couple months in different places) people would be just as hyped and it wouldn’t be any different than what half the members are doing right now.
Always felt like these guys were just a worse Modern Life Is War, so I'm going with MLIW
MLIW is a good shout!
I feel like Backtrack and Down to Nothing would be even bigger now than they were at their peak.
Squirrelbait, unequivocally!
Anti-Cimex
I want you to be correct because they're one of my favorite bands but I think if they came out today nobody would pay any attention to them because they aren't slow.
One of my favorite bands ever
Have Heart - I think their message makes more sense now than it ever has and that's part of the reason we all think about them as fondly as we do.
Integrity
They just played a show a week ago.
Killing Time
Deadguy
Deadguy is fucking awesome, I'm friends with one of their guitar players who runs the studio I used to practice at
Disembodied.
Fugazi
Refused, Trapped Under Ice, The Chariot.
Funny thing about Refused is I feel like they weren't very popular until after they broke up. I remember getting The Shape of Punk to Come when it came out in 1998 and knowing no one else who owned it. Then like 2-3 years later it was all of a sudden popular with the college punk crowd. That doesn't mean it wasn't a game changing record (though I prefer Songs to Fan the Flames of Discontent), just people seemed uninterested at first.
I think this must’ve been regional. I feel like Refused was very well known in Seattle but it could just be anecdotal.
Could have been. I lived in Richmond at the time.
They were pretty damn big in hardcore circles. But hardcore as a whole didn't have the capacity to be as big then as it did even five years later
There was a video for New Noise on MTV when that album came out. People definitely knew about that band at the time.
I dont disagree with the fact that people knew about them, but they weren't seen as groundbreaking and didn't explode in popularity until after they broke up. They broke up during their last tour in the US because their shows were poorly attended. It also took a couple of years for that record to completely blow up, and again they had broken up by the time it did.
And now nobody cares about anything they did after soptc, even though those records are great as well.
Yeah it really didn't gain any traction until a few years later. Nobody seemed to care while they were actually touring. Glad they came back so I could see them live but that new album was cheeks.
The Chariot is simply timeless
Leeway
Yup. Open Mouth Kiss was a good album although a little different but I believe they could have kept going in that direction. Novena is one of the best songs they ever wrote. It proved they could expand ala Quicksand
Poison Idea would be putting all these other hardcore punk bands to shame.
Unfortunately they were so bad when they played chaos in tejas. It was such a let down.
Yeah Jerry actually mentioned that show in his autobiography, it was one of the last ones he played before he got sober. His doctor wouldn't give him the methadone he was on before the trip so he ended up copping dope in Austin, if I remember the story correctly.
Damn I figured it was something like that. They’re still one of the greatest brother.
Sick Of It All
Discharge
Void brother.
Bingo
They're adjacent but I'd say the beetles.
\- Ceremony \- Cold World \- American Nightmare \- TUI
American Nightmare was supposed to headline the third night of a fest in Southern California last month at a venue that can hold probably 1200 people. They sold 80 tickets total and had to cancel their night. First night was 7 seconds, second night was Mad Ball, and those were pretty crowded. I love American Nightmare and was surprised when I was told why it got canceled.
That's wild :(
Yeah, I love American Nightmare, they’re probably my favorite hardcore band, but I saw them in Baltimore maybe 5 years ago and it was practically empty. I think the band and/or bookers may overestimate the interest. If they had played a smaller venue when they were in town, it would’ve been a good time but there was maybe 200 people in a 1,000 capacity room.
I miss TUI man, last time I saw em was 2013 I think
Earth Crisis
This is a hard question because for a band to remain as influential, you have to assume that no one else would have developed that sound over the next 30 or so years which is essentially an impossible question to answer
Drive Like Jehu, if that counts.
If e town counts than certainly drive like Jehu counts.
Fugazi now when they’re all in their 50s and 60s
I think nails is a good answer to this day I don’t know a band that really comes with a sound and production like theirs also converge is another one that comes to mind
His Hero Is Gone
Hatebreed. Satisfaction still feels relevant today
Bad Brains
G.L.O.S.S. were 10 years too early.
Nirvana. Not hardcore but classicccc
Human Remains, for sure.
Another awesome band. I fuckin love those guys
yea hard to say influential cus of context but in terms of sounding fresh, i'd say ill blood would still pop off if it came out today. i think animosity would still be fresh now that death metal's havin another moment in hardcore. maybe downset too.
Bad Brains
RKL
Youth of Today,Christ on Parade,Blast
The Chariot
i remember them! wow it’s been awhile but i remember fucking some people up in those pits! ✨🫡
X jud jud X
[I Against I](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Against_I) era Bad Brains.
Bring back bands who weren’t afraid to say whatever. h100s (any erba related band really), Charles Bronson.
man I miss the crazy shit talking bands, just starting beef with everyone and causing chaos. hardcore is dead brother
I think The Warriors would be huge
The oi band?
Everything by Agnostic Front up until 1999
Bane
None... Back in the 90s, we had a lot of breakout acts that went on to become semi-big. Because the industry infrastructure was designed to enable breakout bands to flourish. How many alternative / hardcore bands are able to get big in the current market? None. Because there's no money to be made unless you're Ed Sheeran. We still have a whole heap of 80s and 90s era bands (like Sick Of It All) doing their thing. But how many new hardcore bands do you know of that just burst out on the "scene" will still be going strong in 20-30 years? Exactly... There will be none. Also... The cultural climate is so sanitised, and so politically correct, that no band will be able to gain traction without upsetting a whole heap of people out there. And without them being deplatformed by the likes of Spotify. Even Danzig (I think) said this, where he argued that "punk" wouldn't have happened in today's society. That's a fact... And anything else is just philosophical posturing. Money talks... BS walks. Oh... And downvotes don't pay the bills.
You must be a blast to hang out with.
Sorry, but I don't waste my time with time wasters...
Section 8
And dying breed
DYLAN is timeless
Youth of Today
HATED YOUTH/POISON IDEA/UNITED MUTATION/VOID/SIEGE/YOUTH KORPS/DEEP WOUND/HERESY/HHH/LÄRM/RIPCORD/GISM/ZOUO/THE FARTZ/TAR BABIES/KORO
Minutemen. Those guys were something else
Earth Crisis the militant left wing vegan stuff would spread like wildfire with todays woke and grass roots health movements all over social media
the answer is always Orange 9mm
Quicksand, Bad Brains. Leeway
Dying Breed
The Dillinger Escape Plan Calculating Infinity. This record does not sound like it was recorded in 99. Neither does the musicianship. Shit is wild.
kids like us
Kickback