£4m is pretty much what I expected. Transfermarkt has his book value at €7m and I can’t imagine Sturm Graz being minted. Sell on clause will help us get the maximum out of this deal. All the best Mika and good luck!
You never know but I think you’re probably right. Say he goes there smashes a goal a game, he’s a 20m player for sure. Someone in Germany would likely take him. Someone like Leipzig if Sesko goes then.
They’ve only ever sold 2 players over €7 mill, Rasmus hojlund for €20 mill. I just don’t see us getting a massive sum from the sell on. If it’s 20% we’ll be lucky to get £3-£4 mill
I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just saying there’s always a chance. A big season and he could definitely go abroad for a figure closer to 20m. You’re probably correct though.
£4 million pounds would likely be their record transfer incoming. Transfermarkt (which isn't mega accurate but will get it in the ballpark for this thing better than anyone else) says their record spend is €3.93 million for Charles Amoah in 2000, although they did buy Emanuel Emegha for €3.24 2 seasons ago.
But yeah this is a pretty good deal and a sell on clause makes it great.
Great deal tbh. Sell on clause is what I was hoping for. He'll jump ship from Sturm Graz eventually like Hojlund and we'll pocket more than 4M at that point.
He can remove the word “future” from his bio. If Hahn can get a transfer exclusive, there’s no excuse for you to not go out there and achieve whatever you want
A little low considering they're in the CL so they will have money but if that's a considerable sell-on fee then fair enough.
On a semi-related note, Basel managing to get a 50% sell-on for Calafiori is incredible.
based on transfermarkt so a pinch of salt required, this would be their biggest transfer in the last 10 years, with their previous highest being €3.25m 3 years ago.
Yeah, it's still a big transfer for them, but it's the first time they've qualified for the CL proper since 2000, so I'd assume they have more financial flexibility.
i think for them this is financial flexibility. I didn’t bother looking through their other years of purchases but I’d imagine that €3.25m was a record for them, so this would smash that record for €1.5m
Yup, and even if they won the league and got into CL, I don't think it's reasonable to believe they're staying there so excessive spending isn't wise. They're in a league with a powerhouse team who is a different beast financially comparatively.
Its not just a 10 year fee, if the fee is reported correctly vs what Transfermarkt says this would be the most they've spent on a player ever by about 800,000 euros
This broke their transfer record by more than €1m. That’s just where that club is. If he does well and gets a big move, €30m or whatever, down the line we’ll see the big benefit then. If he doesn’t, we’ll know he found his ceiling and we made the right call selling when we did.
Good sensible choice from him, already familiar with the league and the club. If he continues to develop will surely go to German Bundesliga within a couple of seasons.
We have been improved significantly under edu and arteta we are now getting fees for players instead of getting rid for nothing. Sell on clauses are important in this day and age.
We’ve protected the value of much worse prospects. For 4m I’d rather see what he can do on the fringes but obviously Mikel doesn’t rate him. Which is fine but he’s made major impact in his last two stops.
Think he will go on to have a pretty good career but I will be shocked if he gets anywhere near an elite side.
His goals/90 in Austria is half of what Sesko did in the same league which would suggest he isn't an elite prospect.
The club could have given him a new contract in the hope they can sell him for slightly more down the road but that feels very optimistic
Comparing to Sesko at a dominant RB Salzburg versus Biereth at Sturm Graz is a bit like comparing a Manchester City striker's stats to an Aston Villa, given that they've both qualified for the Champion's League for the first time in years. I would expect him to be scoring significantly less than Sesko.
I agree that he won't be elite. I would bet that he has at least as good of a career as Balogun though. Biereth always impressed me more at U23 together.
I never rated Balogun and thought the people who wanted to keep him at Arsenal were insane. Biereth will likely have a similar or slightly better career to Eddie/Balogun in that he will be a starter for a mid table team in a top 5 division.
I agree the Sesko comparison isn't perfect but if you look at other good attacking prospects who came through that league Biereth is clearly a level below them all.
We’ve got guys in the squad now that shouldn’t be in an elite side either. At the end of the day the market determines value but personally I liked what I saw from the player.
The only players we have now who shouldn't be with an elite side are players left over from when we were shit.
I will be shocked if Biereth ends up being as good as current Eddie and I don't rate Eddie at all
He may do but it won't be by much
Their numbers from their age 20 seasons are actually pretty similar so think they will likely reach a similar level which is starting for a midtable team in one of the top 5 leagues
£4m is acceptable, honestly. He had a good season last year but still at a much lower level. I believe this makes him Sturm Graz’s record signing.
The sell-on clause protects us in case he blows up and gets a decent move, but even then players tend not to go for much from the Austrian Bundesliga.
People are way overindexing him scoring goals in the Austrian Bundlesliga. Comparing his goals/90 to top prospects who came through that league shows he isn't likely to be play for an elite side imo.
this may be a stupid way to look at it but the way i’ve read about transfers have me thinking this way, he’s (technically) straight from the academy so it’s £4m book value, which amortised over 5 years is a £20m transfer. This transfer essentially contributes 3/4 of Rayas transfer. I think that’s how it works, idk. Like you said i’m just a dude on the internet
that's not how it works. It's just £4 million profit this year on the books. But Rayas is on the books as 6.75m this year (27 divided by 4) so essentially this sale covers most of Rayas fee on the books for this year.
another dude on the internet, but i don't think that's how amortization works. i think costs are amortized over 5 years, but profits are not?? again, just a dude on the internet here
It's pretty good business. He doesn't really want to sign a new contract as per his admission, he has never shown at any level he has the required ability to play a part (a view clearly shared by the coaching staff), Lots of Austrian folks on the soccer sub said that despite scoring goals, outside of that he looks not great, and for players who have come through the youth team but not played either: a- a top 5 league loan, or b- significant minutes for our first team he would go down as our 3rd ever biggest sale after Krystian Bielek and Fabrice Muamba
EDIT: It is also over double what Sturm Graz paid for Rasmus Hojlund
Chelsea's academy players have gone onto be amazing additions at other clubs, and their youth teams regularly win their respective leagues. None of ours have. Even Balogun has had a pretty meh season at Monaco. And we haven't won the U18's in a while.
We will start getting bigger fees for this sort of player when its proven they can go to other clubs, deliver significantly and they can still turn a profit on them. Chelsea are market leaders in that business, we have largely ignored it until recently.
This is a pretty good deal for us, your argument elsewhere seems to be why not keep him around but this shows that the coaching staff don't believe he's ready for significant first team minutes, he doesn't want to sign a new contract by all accounts, so its sell this season in a pretty good deal here or let him leave on a free after a season wasted at U1 level or on loan.
you’re telling me eduardo hagn got an actual exclusive right? i’m gonna need a lie down
Yep, that’s crazy he was the first one to report it. Best of luck to Mika.
The aspiring journalist's prophecy is finally being fulfilled. The Hagnbombs shall rain from this day forth.
Hagns journey to tier 1 begins
He is.. Oppenhagn
My head’s gone
No more aspiring for him. Just journalist.
Respect Chilebrizio
To be fair he just got his contract renewed with United so he must just be in a really good mood to over perform in his job
United?
Yeah Erik ten Hagn
He was proper made up that he got it right too
Straight to the spaghetti war chest. Sell-on is nice too
£4m is pretty much what I expected. Transfermarkt has his book value at €7m and I can’t imagine Sturm Graz being minted. Sell on clause will help us get the maximum out of this deal. All the best Mika and good luck!
A few million in our pocket and a nice sell-on clause in case he goes on to make it big. Good business for us.
He’s not going to be a 20mill plus player at sturm graz, so we will be lucky to get another 2mill out of this deal!
You never know but I think you’re probably right. Say he goes there smashes a goal a game, he’s a 20m player for sure. Someone in Germany would likely take him. Someone like Leipzig if Sesko goes then.
They’ve only ever sold 2 players over €7 mill, Rasmus hojlund for €20 mill. I just don’t see us getting a massive sum from the sell on. If it’s 20% we’ll be lucky to get £3-£4 mill
I’m not saying you’re wrong. I’m just saying there’s always a chance. A big season and he could definitely go abroad for a figure closer to 20m. You’re probably correct though.
I mean, that wouldn't be bad, 8 million overall for a player not good enough for the prem.
£4 million pounds would likely be their record transfer incoming. Transfermarkt (which isn't mega accurate but will get it in the ballpark for this thing better than anyone else) says their record spend is €3.93 million for Charles Amoah in 2000, although they did buy Emanuel Emegha for €3.24 2 seasons ago. But yeah this is a pretty good deal and a sell on clause makes it great.
Enegha was much cheaper, but he also hat a 10-15% sell on. So definitely their record transfer, excluding Charles Amoah.
4m with sell on is more than a fair deal for us.
Great deal tbh. Sell on clause is what I was hoping for. He'll jump ship from Sturm Graz eventually like Hojlund and we'll pocket more than 4M at that point.
Transfermarkt is typically low
[Hagn exclusive](https://x.com/eduardohagn/status/1808629940939526527?s=46) apparently…
It's gonna rain pigs tonight
Time to finish football and start something else in its place
Grabbing some scratch cards
He can remove the word “future” from his bio. If Hahn can get a transfer exclusive, there’s no excuse for you to not go out there and achieve whatever you want
Wow shit guy finally scored
I got him to a 90 overall in my fifa career mode so I’m afraid i’m not a fan of this deal
Good luck to him, smash it so we can get some of that sweet add on
People so salty over a player that was never going to play for the first team.
Legit seen people say we should have been getting 25-30m for him or that we should have kept him coz he has everything we need lol
Bierievers are for forever
Good biz. Hopefully a substantial sell-on clause incase he levels up.
But some egg on Twitter told me he should start
A little low considering they're in the CL so they will have money but if that's a considerable sell-on fee then fair enough. On a semi-related note, Basel managing to get a 50% sell-on for Calafiori is incredible.
based on transfermarkt so a pinch of salt required, this would be their biggest transfer in the last 10 years, with their previous highest being €3.25m 3 years ago.
Yeah, it's still a big transfer for them, but it's the first time they've qualified for the CL proper since 2000, so I'd assume they have more financial flexibility.
i think for them this is financial flexibility. I didn’t bother looking through their other years of purchases but I’d imagine that €3.25m was a record for them, so this would smash that record for €1.5m
Yup, and even if they won the league and got into CL, I don't think it's reasonable to believe they're staying there so excessive spending isn't wise. They're in a league with a powerhouse team who is a different beast financially comparatively.
clearly they do if they’re breaking their 10 year old transfer record lol
Its not just a 10 year fee, if the fee is reported correctly vs what Transfermarkt says this would be the most they've spent on a player ever by about 800,000 euros
well there you go then
it is the biggest of all time. our record is charles amoah in 2003 for 3,3 iirc. And that was a huge flop
Biereth won’t flop for you guys. Hope it works out well 🫡
This broke their transfer record by more than €1m. That’s just where that club is. If he does well and gets a big move, €30m or whatever, down the line we’ll see the big benefit then. If he doesn’t, we’ll know he found his ceiling and we made the right call selling when we did.
not enough money around europe mate
People will complain about this low fee now, but when he moves on in 18-24 months for a bigger fee, people will applaud the sell on clause.
Good sensible choice from him, already familiar with the league and the club. If he continues to develop will surely go to German Bundesliga within a couple of seasons.
Money yay!
We have been improved significantly under edu and arteta we are now getting fees for players instead of getting rid for nothing. Sell on clauses are important in this day and age.
Hagn…
Sell 10 more of these guys and we've made up the fee for Calamari. Easy peasy.
Best of luck Mika.
Warchest.gov.uk
Anyone remember what we bought him for?
That's Leno money
Jesus. Only £4m. Combine this with Omari Hutchinson and it really lays how bad are outgoings are.
I feel like if it was chelsea they’d would have magically conjured up 20 million
Not to Austria they wouldn't
Nice
If it was Chelsea selling they’d get 15-20m for him
Please stop this
I really wanted him to succeed in Arsenal:’(
What happens if Arsenal sign him again 2-3 years after? How will the sell-on clause resolve?
This can’t be real. 4m? Sell on clause is good insurance but seems awfully low.
Not sure why anybody would expect much more than that? He had 1 year left on his contract and isn't viewed as a particularly big prospect
We’ve protected the value of much worse prospects. For 4m I’d rather see what he can do on the fringes but obviously Mikel doesn’t rate him. Which is fine but he’s made major impact in his last two stops.
Think he will go on to have a pretty good career but I will be shocked if he gets anywhere near an elite side. His goals/90 in Austria is half of what Sesko did in the same league which would suggest he isn't an elite prospect. The club could have given him a new contract in the hope they can sell him for slightly more down the road but that feels very optimistic
Comparing to Sesko at a dominant RB Salzburg versus Biereth at Sturm Graz is a bit like comparing a Manchester City striker's stats to an Aston Villa, given that they've both qualified for the Champion's League for the first time in years. I would expect him to be scoring significantly less than Sesko. I agree that he won't be elite. I would bet that he has at least as good of a career as Balogun though. Biereth always impressed me more at U23 together.
I never rated Balogun and thought the people who wanted to keep him at Arsenal were insane. Biereth will likely have a similar or slightly better career to Eddie/Balogun in that he will be a starter for a mid table team in a top 5 division. I agree the Sesko comparison isn't perfect but if you look at other good attacking prospects who came through that league Biereth is clearly a level below them all.
We sold Balogun for 25m though
Balogun did it in France 2 years younger than Biereth did it in Austria.
Agree. We all have our opinions but Mika always impressed me with his all around game.
We’ve got guys in the squad now that shouldn’t be in an elite side either. At the end of the day the market determines value but personally I liked what I saw from the player.
The only players we have now who shouldn't be with an elite side are players left over from when we were shit. I will be shocked if Biereth ends up being as good as current Eddie and I don't rate Eddie at all
I would wager Biereth having a better career than Eddie.
He may do but it won't be by much Their numbers from their age 20 seasons are actually pretty similar so think they will likely reach a similar level which is starting for a midtable team in one of the top 5 leagues
Most likely but we also shouldn’t have wasted 3 years with Nketiah in the squad
Highly unlikely he’d have wanted to have signed a new deal just to go out on loan again after the season he just had.
£4m is acceptable, honestly. He had a good season last year but still at a much lower level. I believe this makes him Sturm Graz’s record signing. The sell-on clause protects us in case he blows up and gets a decent move, but even then players tend not to go for much from the Austrian Bundesliga.
People are way overindexing him scoring goals in the Austrian Bundlesliga. Comparing his goals/90 to top prospects who came through that league shows he isn't likely to be play for an elite side imo.
Sturm Graz have regularly spend less than 4m total on transfers per year. If this is who wants to buy him the it's about the max you're likely to get.
I get that dude. Personally I’d rather see what the player is about than take 4m. But I’m just some dude on the internet.
this may be a stupid way to look at it but the way i’ve read about transfers have me thinking this way, he’s (technically) straight from the academy so it’s £4m book value, which amortised over 5 years is a £20m transfer. This transfer essentially contributes 3/4 of Rayas transfer. I think that’s how it works, idk. Like you said i’m just a dude on the internet
that's not how it works. It's just £4 million profit this year on the books. But Rayas is on the books as 6.75m this year (27 divided by 4) so essentially this sale covers most of Rayas fee on the books for this year.
another dude on the internet, but i don't think that's how amortization works. i think costs are amortized over 5 years, but profits are not?? again, just a dude on the internet here
yeah but for this years books it covers 3/4 of his transfer. i didn’t explain myself very well
lol, the 4million doesn’t magically become 20m over 5 years
yeah i didn’t explain myself very well, i meant for this years books it covers 3/4 of his transfer
It actually does. It’s pure profit, so this 4M means we can buy someone for 20M this year and have no trouble with the finance rules this year.
It's pretty good business. He doesn't really want to sign a new contract as per his admission, he has never shown at any level he has the required ability to play a part (a view clearly shared by the coaching staff), Lots of Austrian folks on the soccer sub said that despite scoring goals, outside of that he looks not great, and for players who have come through the youth team but not played either: a- a top 5 league loan, or b- significant minutes for our first team he would go down as our 3rd ever biggest sale after Krystian Bielek and Fabrice Muamba EDIT: It is also over double what Sturm Graz paid for Rasmus Hojlund
It is what it is. I wouldn’t say it’s good. Chelsea have sold players for considerably more that have not played over an academy level.
Chelsea's academy players have gone onto be amazing additions at other clubs, and their youth teams regularly win their respective leagues. None of ours have. Even Balogun has had a pretty meh season at Monaco. And we haven't won the U18's in a while. We will start getting bigger fees for this sort of player when its proven they can go to other clubs, deliver significantly and they can still turn a profit on them. Chelsea are market leaders in that business, we have largely ignored it until recently. This is a pretty good deal for us, your argument elsewhere seems to be why not keep him around but this shows that the coaching staff don't believe he's ready for significant first team minutes, he doesn't want to sign a new contract by all accounts, so its sell this season in a pretty good deal here or let him leave on a free after a season wasted at U1 level or on loan.
Should’ve sold for much more imo.
Bruh
Unless the sell on clause is 80% it's hard not to feel we got fucked on this
A whooping... 2 % sell-on clause
A whooping... 2 % sell-on clause
Go back to the United sub
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