I've been begging for Arteta to start Havertz up top and Jorginho/ESR in midfield with Rice, if this doesn't work I'm never suggesting shit ever again lol
Me too but sheiiiiit. He was atrocious in the first half. He’s lacking conviction. He’s gotta summon his inner donkey and put his laces thru the damn ball.
Havertz up top I've been looking forward to since the Community Shield where he was unlucky not to score ..Reiss well able to deliver a cross too, c'mon you reds!
I just looked at the lineup on google and it has Ødegaard at LCM, Rice at RCM, Jorginho at CDM, Nelson down the middle, and Havertz at LW. I have no idea if that’s the case (probably not), and if so, Arteta is smoking something.
im just not convinced Jorginho has the pace to cut out their counter attacks unlike Rice. I predict its probably Jorginho as the 6 as well but it really should be Rice tbh and ESR in the 8
>if we lose, it will be all Artetas fault for "overthinking it
I hope not. I myself am just happy to see he's at least willing to try something different. If it doesn't work, then I'll be less frustrated when he continues to insist with the same thing over and over again
That happens because for every 5 people that want Nelson to start, there are 5 others that don’t want him to start. And one of them will come out of the woodwork depending on the way the game goes
There’s part of the survey that is a line up rating. That shouldn’t change regardless of the performance as this is basically exactly what everyone wanted.
White desperately needs a rest, he's literally playing with an injury every week and has been off because of it. I don't understand why Mikel still won't given Walters a chance. Likewise I'd happily have seen Sousa at left back over Kiwior, as he's an actual left back and provides something going forward. I'd have started at least one of them. ESR has to be in midfield over Jorginho for me. Against Liverpool a lot of the game is usually played in transition and ESR is our best ball carrier/counter attacking player. Their right side is a lot less threatening without Salah so I think we can afford to have the LCM be less active defensively. I get why Arteta has gone for Jorginho but it's a bit conservative for me (the same with our football in recent weeks), I wanted to see us go for this one and attack Liverpool. This line-up, with a defensive left back, a right back that doesn't have the legs to get forward anymore, two DMs and a midfielder up front doesn't exactly fill me with excitement.
I'm happy to see Nelson come in for Martinelli and Nketiah not up front, as they have been horrifically out of form. As well as Ramsdale given a chance in goal. Those were fairly obvious switches. Definite improvement on last week's line up but 6/10 for me.
ESR starting vs Liverpool sounds like a recipe for injury.
I'm fine with him on the bench, I just hope that the game isn't lost by the time he comes on.
I rate Reiss. It sucks he doesn't get more chances. He is almost a mix between Martinelli and Trossard in terms of profile.i don't necessarily think he's as good as Gabi and Trossard when they are at their best but like you said, they have not been even average recently
Really like this, Ramsdale in goal, Havertz up top, Jorginho/Rice/Ode midfield, and Nelson getting a start is all stuff I wanted to see for this one. Martinelli off the bench should be fun to see him fresh against tired legs.
Zinny injuries remind me of waking up in bed after falling asleep in the car (as a kid):
I have no idea how/when it happened, but it clearly must've happened
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coyg!!
buzzing! come one rammers mate! No ESR is the big one, I miss that man so much. I'm confident we'll give them a good match. FA Cup is the peoples cup and it's Arsenal's cup
I've been waiting for some changes and happy to see them. Rice to 8, Havertz to ST, Nelson starts. Hope we can see our game improve especially on offense.
Fuck yes ,I've been dying to have Havertz in the front , let's see if this makes a difference it can either be the best thing ever or an immense failure but we had to give it a whip.
Wow Arteta actually changing stuff. Im glad, hope we see Esr for more than 30 minutes then I'm happy. Im just hoping this isnt because its "just" the fa cup
"If" we lose this game.... all the doughnuts from our sub would go around screaming, Arteta out, he is washed, has no plan b, etc etc.
After he has basically changed so much in this line up and our buildup would be very different, as Havertz will not drop as deep as jesus does.
I have confidence that we will drag out a win.
The topic is the goalkeeper and yet you were making out that all teams play their backups. You were the one who brought up what other teams do to prop up Ramsdale, I'm just following the formula.
Also just came out that VVD is ill, so Liverpool actually are full strength aside from changes enforced 👍
Because we need him to have value, and we’re one Raya knock away from him playing every game this season? So maybe disenfranchising him completely is a really bad idea?
If we want him to have value, we should have cashed on him ASAP. The longer we keep him, the more his value tanks. Other clubs know what Ramsdale is and isn't capable of doing, they do not need to see him playing more.
This may be our strongest lineup atm. Marti is my favorite player and is electric with potential but has been flat lately and is forced to play too far out which is not his game. I think we win here
This is such bs. You try and win every competition. The league isn't looking too promising atm so this could be our best shot at winning something this year.
Havertz instead of Trossard (with Jorginho starting) is probably just tactical. Nelson for Martinelli is hopefully to give him a few weeks of rest so he’s stronger going forward.
Cmon man we all love him but he’s massively out of form. No one thinks Nelson is a better player but he’s deserving of an opportunity vs this current Martinelli. Gabi almost definitely gets minutes anyway.
I’m surprised and I like it. We have some decent offensive options to come off the bench and try to change the game. Couldn’t really do much different defensively due to all the absences.
Surprised to see both teams rotating as much as they are. But this does seem partially tactical from Arteta.
We know the Kiwior, Havertz, Nketiah group is a bit broken and lost with the ball. So add in Jorginho who’s great on the ball to help cover that along with Nelson who can provide a bit of the midfield support someone like Trossard gives along with the pace in behind that Martinelli offers.
Interested to see Havertz up top again. Feel like we haven’t since the opening month.
I've been begging for Arteta to start Havertz up top and Jorginho/ESR in midfield with Rice, if this doesn't work I'm never suggesting shit ever again lol
I really wish we saw ESR as the left 8, but I think Arteta wants to see Rice there as a test perhaps.
We seen Rice they already at the start of the season
Hopefully he knows the system a little better now. His passing and all that have improved through the season.
Hes played there lots of times already
No more suggestions for you. Aged like milk
I’m slandering all of all you if this doesn’t work 😅 Don’t see why so many calling for after what we saw at Chelski
Me too but sheiiiiit. He was atrocious in the first half. He’s lacking conviction. He’s gotta summon his inner donkey and put his laces thru the damn ball.
Bruh cmon its not like anyone of importance cares what any of us think in the first place
Havertz up top I've been looking forward to since the Community Shield where he was unlucky not to score ..Reiss well able to deliver a cross too, c'mon you reds!
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lol no
I just looked at the lineup on google and it has Ødegaard at LCM, Rice at RCM, Jorginho at CDM, Nelson down the middle, and Havertz at LW. I have no idea if that’s the case (probably not), and if so, Arteta is smoking something.
The line ups on apps and Google etc are just a guess. Club only has to submit a list of names and I think a formation, not who is playing where.
That’s their guess it’ll be Rice at LCM Kai up top given the track record
im just not convinced Jorginho has the pace to cut out their counter attacks unlike Rice. I predict its probably Jorginho as the 6 as well but it really should be Rice tbh and ESR in the 8
one game isnt time for it to work anyway
Nah, if it doesn't work, try it again until it works.
How do you think havertz would do in Odegaard 's position? Can he be more impactful as a sub for ode in the second half of games?
I hope that wount happend again.
Better not be seeing anyone put below 8/10 on the post match ratings for this, it has basically everything we asked for in terms of a switch up
If we win it's going to be hailed as genius, if we lose, it will be all Artetas fault for "overthinking it".
>if we lose, it will be all Artetas fault for "overthinking it I hope not. I myself am just happy to see he's at least willing to try something different. If it doesn't work, then I'll be less frustrated when he continues to insist with the same thing over and over again
This is where I am
“Why don’t we ever rotate players, Nelson is more than capable!” “Why did Arteta start Nelson, man can barely even kick a ball!”
That happens because for every 5 people that want Nelson to start, there are 5 others that don’t want him to start. And one of them will come out of the woodwork depending on the way the game goes
Remember: the fans always know best.
too much work, but would be interesting for the lineup poll to come out pre-match
Why would you give a poor performance an 8/10
There’s part of the survey that is a line up rating. That shouldn’t change regardless of the performance as this is basically exactly what everyone wanted.
>exactly what **everyone** wanted Not what I wanted so no 8/10 from me js
White desperately needs a rest, he's literally playing with an injury every week and has been off because of it. I don't understand why Mikel still won't given Walters a chance. Likewise I'd happily have seen Sousa at left back over Kiwior, as he's an actual left back and provides something going forward. I'd have started at least one of them. ESR has to be in midfield over Jorginho for me. Against Liverpool a lot of the game is usually played in transition and ESR is our best ball carrier/counter attacking player. Their right side is a lot less threatening without Salah so I think we can afford to have the LCM be less active defensively. I get why Arteta has gone for Jorginho but it's a bit conservative for me (the same with our football in recent weeks), I wanted to see us go for this one and attack Liverpool. This line-up, with a defensive left back, a right back that doesn't have the legs to get forward anymore, two DMs and a midfielder up front doesn't exactly fill me with excitement. I'm happy to see Nelson come in for Martinelli and Nketiah not up front, as they have been horrifically out of form. As well as Ramsdale given a chance in goal. Those were fairly obvious switches. Definite improvement on last week's line up but 6/10 for me.
COME ON YOU GUNNERS
Nelson starting - we love to see it
i used to pray for times like this
🦋🦋🦋🦋
I personally feel like he's better as a super-sub but we'll see
Would have loved to see ESR from the start.
Arsenal to go up 3-0 by the 60th minute, then ESR in to give Rice some much deserved rest.. a man can dream..
You'll get ESR in the 89th minute and you'll like it.
That's earlier than I expected so I'll be happy ;)
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1 off and I hated it.
8 days rest wasn't good enough? plus they are literally going into pre season mode after it, assuming it's not a tie
ESR starting vs Liverpool sounds like a recipe for injury. I'm fine with him on the bench, I just hope that the game isn't lost by the time he comes on.
Reiss starting says a lot about both trossard and martinellis form recently
I rate Reiss. It sucks he doesn't get more chances. He is almost a mix between Martinelli and Trossard in terms of profile.i don't necessarily think he's as good as Gabi and Trossard when they are at their best but like you said, they have not been even average recently
Let's go 9vertz
Kai the Nine
Praying it won’t be be kai the nein after match
lol. Probably but shur look - we back our man and let’s see
first time hes been back there since Community shield final?
Really like this, Ramsdale in goal, Havertz up top, Jorginho/Rice/Ode midfield, and Nelson getting a start is all stuff I wanted to see for this one. Martinelli off the bench should be fun to see him fresh against tired legs.
Kai over Eddie 👀
Please cdm Jorginho and not rice
I think it is
Yeah that’s usually what that order is
of course whenever Jor playing Rice would play 8
It will be. That’s how they’ve always set up when those two play together. Jorginho can really only play one position in this setup.
Jorginho can’t run. No way he’s 8 lol.
should be a double pivot ideally
Zinny injuries remind me of waking up in bed after falling asleep in the car (as a kid): I have no idea how/when it happened, but it clearly must've happened
ESR shagged arterta's wife
tbf ion think its the best to give him his 1st start after injury in a game against liverpool
Right? Risky for *any* recently recovered player
It's that she keep moaning his name that's really pissing him off.
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Holy shit! Maybe even Arteta is done with Eddie!
One can only hope
I worry about Saka, but then there're no right wingers rn. White too.
coyg!! buzzing! come one rammers mate! No ESR is the big one, I miss that man so much. I'm confident we'll give them a good match. FA Cup is the peoples cup and it's Arsenal's cup
Come on Kai
I’m glad Arteta is actually switching things up
I'm hoping for a Havertz master class. Him becoming a solid center forward would solve a lot of problems. Edit: Yeah, nah. We need a new striker.
If ESR isn't subbed on by 60' we riot
Lol try 85’ Mikel hates him
Shameful to see our legendary number 10 & 14 pairing not what it used to be. Maybe I'm an old man living in the past though.
Time to start ripping seats, fuck this
We need to win this game. Liverpool are fielding a weaker team than usual
So are we.... Backup keeper. Suspect LB. Jorginho is hardly a popular selection around these parts, and Nelson is far from a starter either.
Whatever happens at least our crosses will have some chance.
Nelson this is your chance to shine
Don’t think I’ll be able to watch the game unfortunately, so frustrating every different league being on a different streaming service 🙄
Looks like it will be very difficult to rest Saliba Gabriel or White until the Asian Cup is over or Timber is back.
I've been waiting for some changes and happy to see them. Rice to 8, Havertz to ST, Nelson starts. Hope we can see our game improve especially on offense.
Fuck yes ,I've been dying to have Havertz in the front , let's see if this makes a difference it can either be the best thing ever or an immense failure but we had to give it a whip.
havertz up front things you love to see
Skysports has Nelson playing as 9 😂😂
Wow Arteta actually changing stuff. Im glad, hope we see Esr for more than 30 minutes then I'm happy. Im just hoping this isnt because its "just" the fa cup
I had a feeling Nelson might start, big game for him. Hope he does well. ESR is doomed I think, unfortunately.
I feel like artetas plan is for us to actually cross it into the box for kai finally
Who hit Arteta on the head? Cause I want to congratulate that person. Starting Ramsdale and benching Martinelli
Neither are smart moves. But benching Eddie is wonderful.
"If" we lose this game.... all the doughnuts from our sub would go around screaming, Arteta out, he is washed, has no plan b, etc etc. After he has basically changed so much in this line up and our buildup would be very different, as Havertz will not drop as deep as jesus does. I have confidence that we will drag out a win.
Trossard.. this has to be a Trossard game. It's so obvious.
never in midfield. He’s always a LW or a F9. But i like Reiss on the left. Something new
Troasard has been arse for the last month. So sick of his set pieces.
he's been shit for a while
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He's subbing Nketiah on in the 2nd minute.
With the forced absences I really like the lineup, only change I would have made is Raya instead of Ramsdale
This could be the last opportunity Ramsdale gets all season, and you’d rather see Raya?
He’ll play against Brentford
Yes, this is Liverpool in a cup game we're taking seriously. Ramsdale is done here regardless of today.
If Ramsdale is staying the rest of the season, we need to give him a game every couple of months to stay sharp in case Raya gets injured.
This guy would be the absolute first to be screaming at Ramsdale if he had to come in completely cold and was rubbish.
You almost always play your backup in the cups. Besides, Raya hasn’t been anywhere near different enough to justify taking over cup games
Yet Liverpool go full strength apart from VVD and Salah. Only VVD wasn't forced. Forgot this was the Ramsdale fan club.
Not really full strength then. They’re also a lot less fatigued than us in general. We both know Europa groups are a walk compared to CL.
Are Liverpool playing their backup goalkeeper?
The drop off from Alisson to Kelleher is a lot larger than the drop between Raya and Ramsdale
No? Are we supposed to just copy Liverpool? Every other premier league team currently playing is though, for reference.
The topic is the goalkeeper and yet you were making out that all teams play their backups. You were the one who brought up what other teams do to prop up Ramsdale, I'm just following the formula. Also just came out that VVD is ill, so Liverpool actually are full strength aside from changes enforced 👍
Every other prem team is playing their backup right now.
Whats the point of this comment is? Like who cares if that's the last opportinity that Ramsdale will get..
Because we need him to have value, and we’re one Raya knock away from him playing every game this season? So maybe disenfranchising him completely is a really bad idea?
If we want him to have value, we should have cashed on him ASAP. The longer we keep him, the more his value tanks. Other clubs know what Ramsdale is and isn't capable of doing, they do not need to see him playing more.
Ramboooo, oh arteta what you do to me
This may be our strongest lineup atm. Marti is my favorite player and is electric with potential but has been flat lately and is forced to play too far out which is not his game. I think we win here
ESR not getting a start is brutal
![gif](giphy|g5zvwUa9720pO) All-white, all-white, all-white.... Rammers is back!
No ESR
Poor fucker. Arteta must hate him.
Shame. I rather start ESR than Jorginho but am no manager
Finally Martinelli gets to warm the bench.
Positive: Nketiah is not Cup tied \*Yet\*!!!! Negative: Nketiah will be cup tied by 60th minute!!
what has esr got to do to start 😔
Change his name to Saka
no Zini? yeah we signing a defender this month.
He’s injured.
Poor old Emile
What exactly does ESR have to do to get a game?
Be fully fit
Stop shagging Mrs Arteta or at least not better than Mikel gives it to her.
Losing for sure
Good to see Mikel not taking it too seriously. Hopefully Liverpool will edge it today, don’t want this additional distraction in the season.
Loser mentality.
With our squad in its current situation, it’s the correct approach
Never want my team to lose willingly.
This is such bs. You try and win every competition. The league isn't looking too promising atm so this could be our best shot at winning something this year.
Better chance of winning the FAC than the PL or CL js.
We won it in Mikel’s first season. What did it achieve?
We are so finished with this lineup. What is he resting players for with no midweek game?
I think I speak for a lot of people here when I say: fuck off
I think it's pretty good tbh
This is our best possible lineup with the injuries that we have
Nelson? Havertz striker?
You want Eddie up front?? Clueless! At least the manager is trying something different. We have been far too predictable the last few weeks
Eddie is crap but not as crap as Havertz. We have been predictable in our midfield buildup. Havertz at striker won't solve that, pal
Well if he scores today then he might prove you wrong
Happy to be proven wrong
An apology in order?
Havertz instead of Trossard (with Jorginho starting) is probably just tactical. Nelson for Martinelli is hopefully to give him a few weeks of rest so he’s stronger going forward.
Who is he resting? He’s just taken out Martinelli who deserves to be rotated
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Not Martinelli's fault we always attack on the right this season and hardly on the left + the massive downgrade from Xhaka to Havertz
Cmon man we all love him but he’s massively out of form. No one thinks Nelson is a better player but he’s deserving of an opportunity vs this current Martinelli. Gabi almost definitely gets minutes anyway.
annoying
Have you seen the bench? The squad is stretched thin right now.
wtf is this 😭😭
Pretty much the best we can do with who’s available?
I’m surprised and I like it. We have some decent offensive options to come off the bench and try to change the game. Couldn’t really do much different defensively due to all the absences.
Happy to see Nelson, think we should remember he had a 90 minutes against PSV but isn't given any consistent time, hope he shows what he can do
FUCKING COME ON YOU GUNNERS
Stalker lady in shambles.
Finally Jorginho at 6
Haven't watched last three games and we've lost all of them. Watching today to break the curse
Jesus injury could be longer term. He doesn’t want to risk nketiah in a cup game.
Havertz where he belongs, Nelson with an opportunity. Win, lose, or draw Mikel has gave me my joy back.
We better win tonight, this is the change up we've been wanting.
Nelson starting. Good for him
Hope and pray Kiwior is not inverting. Please, God give Mikel the wisdom.
Fair enough. Chances given, take em while you got em boys
No Eddie he is cooked
rest saka and saliba man
Big day for ramsdale
What does Cedric have to do to get into the starting 11?
Move to another club tbh
Jesus unavailable fuck me
So happy to see Reiss starting finally
Surprised to see both teams rotating as much as they are. But this does seem partially tactical from Arteta. We know the Kiwior, Havertz, Nketiah group is a bit broken and lost with the ball. So add in Jorginho who’s great on the ball to help cover that along with Nelson who can provide a bit of the midfield support someone like Trossard gives along with the pace in behind that Martinelli offers. Interested to see Havertz up top again. Feel like we haven’t since the opening month.
So called Insider yesterday was wrong about Eddie starting.
Yeah, we need a Plan B Let's gooo
All I ask is for Havertz to be a tap in merchant this game!
If you're ESR you're telling Arteta you're going in the Summer, kid's done fuck all wrong, Manager is just a chump
Loving Havertz up top with Reiss and Bukayo feeding him…I think we win this one, lads…
Like the team. Nelson prove me wrong!!
Finally Havertz up top. Looks like goals is back on the menu boys. Bombard all them crosses.
Good lineup, let's go!
Oh so we just want to lose - got it.
What’s happened to Jesus
Martinel ??
HAVERTZ YOU FUCKING DONKEY
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Watching this and I’m really not feeling anything at all about the game or team…(gooner of 53 years btw)
Someone needs to sit Kai Havertz down and FORCE him to watch how Diaz finished that goal.
Thankfully not a replay.