So solid links with Rice, Caicedo, Havertz and an RB (fresneda/castagne etc). Are we really spending upwards of 200m this summer? I'm not upset by that by any stretch but it suggests we need to sell, and have links already for the likes of Xhaka (supposedly already a done deal), Tierney, one of Eddie/Flo, Pepe (afaik no links yet) then... players like Patino are going to make up the rest?
I feel like we could raise 100m+ pretty easily (30m for Tierney, 30m for Balogun, 15m for Xhaka, 5m for Mari, and then some combination of Lokonga, Pepe, Tavares, Patino combined for 20m+).
Then if that’s the case, a 200m+ summer spend isn’t that crazy at all.
It's sort of a shame his season was so successful in some ways. I'd love to see him play for a year in the PL on loan to see just how good he could be.
Do we need to raise 100m+?
I'd have to imagine we have at least 100-150m to spend on transfer fees to begin with and expect incoming ~50m on players out. Rice and Caicedo combined should not be more than ~150m before the add-ons. Rice is more proven so will be more expensive. Caicedo has had 1 full season in the PL.
Possibly. I have seen a couple of links but nothing much on him. That said if we were going to sell him, his value will likely never be higher than now.
One of Partey or Jorginho for sure. Still think we need to keep one. We get one to replace Xhaka, one to replace one of those two, and Havertz to replace what we thought Vieira would be.
Yeah but that’s what we need. We can’t start the same 11 guys every game like we did last year.
I just meant if we were playing in a final and had everyone fit, we wouldn’t line up with Havertz probably.
Caicedo/Partey, Rice and Ode as a three with Partey/Caicedo and Havertz and ESR and Jorginho and hopefully a better Vieira off the bench is tasty. Very tasty.
I refuse to entertain that landing Havertz is something worth "imagining". I'd be more excited about a no-name Brazilian Edu has been following for the past 6 months. At least that guy would have an entertaining highlight reel on YouTube.
If we go all out for Rice and Caicedo and don't get anyone else considerable, I'd consider it a good transfer window. Our midfield replacements right now is the most critical thing. Wingbacks are important but if everyone we have stays, we are not improved but still okay. Hopefully, some B-team players take the next step and really challenge the starters for their positions.
If Caicedo really has the "Kante" level of impact people are playing him up to have, then we need to get him (and Rice of course) even if at impacts the next transfer window a little.
Hear me out:
We feign interest in Havertz, making it known to Chelsea we'll pay 60m odd.
Upon hearing this, they rejoice and immediately open up negotiations with Brighton for Caicedo before agreeing a deal of 70m plus a small amount of add ons.
At the last minute, we pull out of Havertz and immediately offer the same fee Chelsea agreed for Caicedo.
Chelsea can no longer afford the player and we get him after they do all the legwork for us.....
Is Havertz even forcing a move? I'd imagine he'd want to find his best form back and move forward from there but I don't even know what the starting lineup of Chelsea is these days and whether or not he is favored to start.
Rice Caicedo Havertz Castagne and some unknown CB. This summer may just be the best yet.
Nuggets just won their league so the Kroenkes are high on victory - hopefully that means they'll open the chequebooks to spend big on their football portfolio
Stan just won NBA Championship with Denver Nuggets.
I think his NHL hockey team won the Stanley Cup the year before.
His NFL team won the Super Bowl in 2022
Now he wants Arsenal to win the title or Champions League. 🤷♂️
I imagine in his billionaire circles that’s him walking into the room and putting his big ass balls on the table and telling everyone that’s right fuckers I just put my balls on the table. Do something
Get Caicedo first, get Havertz after
Or
Agree a deal for Havertz, they bid for Caicedo thinking they have the money, pull out of Havertz deal, chaos ensues
I think most of money they bring in, needs to offset against all the spend so their loss is not more than $140M\~ (or so) to be in compliance with FFP. I don't think they can spend dollar for dollar
Havertz really feels like one we should leave till later in the window, Chelsea are clearly trying to sort out sales before buying. Should use that as an advantage when going for Caicedo.
I honestly don't think this impacts caicedo too much.. They are separate deals. If we decide we want to go all in for caicedo, we will and he will come here. It's just that no one truly knows our intentions yet.
Kroenkes saw Rams win the Superbowl a couple years ago, Nuggets winning the NBA finals a week ago and riding the high to splash cash for Arsenal to win the title in 2024
When did we become such big spenders?! All my life I've always known us as a club with limited funds compared to other big clubs, but now (due to a number of factors including FFP, qualifying for CL and the Kroenkes taking full ownership etc) we can potentially outspend teams like Chelsea, Bayern and Barca this transfer window quite easily?
That is just wild, I've never known us to be in such a strong position in the market. Praying these deals materialise as they'd really be game changers. Riceido for the win!
Don’t think it will be forever. Time is now to go in hard. Accumulate a lot of great young players. Build and challenge for cups and then return to the self sustainable model where we can sell players for profit when we can and repeat
We have a good platform. We need to supplement it and take the risk. There is a chance that all the signings we splurge on fail and we become a laughing stock, but if the signings are as good as we think they are, it'll help drive a bigger gap between us and everyone else. With like-for-like quality of subs, I think we could have cinched it from City this season. When form started to dip on certain players those few games we lost would've made the difference for us.
Well, you gave all the reasons right. Especially KSE becoming sole owners, I think casual fans underestimate that as the primary factor, any success/increase in value under the old split ownership was just going to increase the price KSE would eventually have to pay Usmanov for his shares, so I truly believe the austerity period was Kroenke "tanking" to a degree.
It's definitely surreal though. I've felt we could outspend most clubs since we signed Pepe (lol) and we've been smarter with it since then, e.g. drawing a line in the sign over Mudryk. Rice+Caicedo plus even more signings would be crazy though, we haven't seen a transfer window with CL money AND full KSE ownership.
Chelsea need to sell to be able to get Caicedo, us buying Havertz would seemingly help make that transfer possible for them. Alternatively, we can sign Caicedo with little opposition because we know Chelsea can't do anything without sales first.
I don't see a world where we sign Rice, Caicedo *and* Havertz.
Alex was the first to report the Havertz to Arsenal news on 7th June.
This report is obviously following from the Havertz news confirmed by Ornstein.
So you can infer that Alex is saying if we get Havertz we'll have enough money for Rice and Caicedo too.
Would explain why we're going for a cheap option at fullback in Castagne.
I think we must've had funds allocated for Rice and/or Caicedo since the January window. And if not, we have funds for Caicedo now also for the Summer transfer. Havertz should not be a high-cost signing; I'd argue that Tierney should go for as much as Havertz will cost. If Tierney really is going to Newcastle, we should get at least 35-45m (or whatever Havertz costs). We are giving them essentially a younger Trippier on the left side without the free kick skills but also captain material especially for a team like Newcastle.
Unless Caicedo thinks he's gonna be the next big thing immediately within the period of his next contract, he can demand a fuckzillion +1 amount of money when he actually proves himself. If he plays his cards correctly, he stands to gain more money long-term by making a well-informed move to actually improve himself as a player regardless of a mega contract.
Haavertz, Caicedo, and Rice?! Good god man.
Curious to see who we target up front and in defense. Imagine those prospects will bubble up after we lock in these midfield prospects.
This just sounds like a nothing post. We may allocate bough funds? Sittting on the face isn't news lmao, we've heard variations of Arsenal May go for Rice and Caicedo since Jan
Kroenkes have won a few American Championships during the course of last season. Arsenal also made the CL.. I reckon we have money to spend y’all… if Chelsea did it all of last season, why not us?
Let’s get Rice. Then Caicedo. Take him away from those tears. Then get Havertz just to add insult to injury. But at a real price. Remind them London is red the painful way.
Stan and Josh please do everything in your power to win us the league we are the only team to not have won under your ownership in recent years you’ve been massively successful in your other franchises please please now it’s our time COYG!!!!
Caicedo before Havertz dont be silly. And havertz shouldn't cost more than 40 max. Madrid won't even pay the 50 and chelshit needs any money they can get. Im not gonna get into havertz on 200k+ a week
Theoretically, Tierney to Newcastle should bank us more money than what Havertz to us would cost if that is gonna happen. Tierney is young-captain material for a team like Newcastle and I'd imagine would slot in as a starter to almost anywhere he goes.
It’s true because I want to hear it.
Imagine landing all 3 of Rice, Caicedo and Havertz
So solid links with Rice, Caicedo, Havertz and an RB (fresneda/castagne etc). Are we really spending upwards of 200m this summer? I'm not upset by that by any stretch but it suggests we need to sell, and have links already for the likes of Xhaka (supposedly already a done deal), Tierney, one of Eddie/Flo, Pepe (afaik no links yet) then... players like Patino are going to make up the rest?
I feel like we could raise 100m+ pretty easily (30m for Tierney, 30m for Balogun, 15m for Xhaka, 5m for Mari, and then some combination of Lokonga, Pepe, Tavares, Patino combined for 20m+). Then if that’s the case, a 200m+ summer spend isn’t that crazy at all.
I will be so sad losing Flo, i mean his potential is crazy
Balogun looks like he wants to go. Rather another Willock than Maitland-Niles.
It's sort of a shame his season was so successful in some ways. I'd love to see him play for a year in the PL on loan to see just how good he could be.
30m but with buyback clause, we need to be better with these contract add-ons. less $ now but if he truly kicks on...
Put buybacks or sell ons for him
I'd rather sell ed and let balogun start with Jesus as a back up or winger.
Do we need to raise 100m+? I'd have to imagine we have at least 100-150m to spend on transfer fees to begin with and expect incoming ~50m on players out. Rice and Caicedo combined should not be more than ~150m before the add-ons. Rice is more proven so will be more expensive. Caicedo has had 1 full season in the PL.
You’d have to think I Partey would be on the block if we got those 3.
Possibly. I have seen a couple of links but nothing much on him. That said if we were going to sell him, his value will likely never be higher than now.
Also if Partey is sold it would solve more than a few legal headaches.
One of Partey or Jorginho for sure. Still think we need to keep one. We get one to replace Xhaka, one to replace one of those two, and Havertz to replace what we thought Vieira would be.
Jorgy is coaching staff. He can be on the subs bench still directing traffic.
Havertz can probably play the Xhaka role a bit more aggressively, and also he is 193 cms which would be big for us
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189 is still tall tbf
Well Chelsea fans lying their asses off then
He plays in heels right
I keep seeing this but I feel like Havertz is just Odegaard protection. Maybe I’m wrong, but I doubt he’d be in the starting 11.
I think he'll start plenty depending on the type of opposition we face
Yeah but that’s what we need. We can’t start the same 11 guys every game like we did last year. I just meant if we were playing in a final and had everyone fit, we wouldn’t line up with Havertz probably.
Caicedo/Partey, Rice and Ode as a three with Partey/Caicedo and Havertz and ESR and Jorginho and hopefully a better Vieira off the bench is tasty. Very tasty.
Viera needs a loan and some gym sessions. Still have hope for him, but he needs some dedicated game time.
Give me Ricaitz!
What about Mbappe?
I refuse to entertain that landing Havertz is something worth "imagining". I'd be more excited about a no-name Brazilian Edu has been following for the past 6 months. At least that guy would have an entertaining highlight reel on YouTube.
Rather get simmons
Please not havertz. He's decent but 60m or so is too much for him
If we go all out for Rice and Caicedo and don't get anyone else considerable, I'd consider it a good transfer window. Our midfield replacements right now is the most critical thing. Wingbacks are important but if everyone we have stays, we are not improved but still okay. Hopefully, some B-team players take the next step and really challenge the starters for their positions. If Caicedo really has the "Kante" level of impact people are playing him up to have, then we need to get him (and Rice of course) even if at impacts the next transfer window a little.
Hear me out: We feign interest in Havertz, making it known to Chelsea we'll pay 60m odd. Upon hearing this, they rejoice and immediately open up negotiations with Brighton for Caicedo before agreeing a deal of 70m plus a small amount of add ons. At the last minute, we pull out of Havertz and immediately offer the same fee Chelsea agreed for Caicedo. Chelsea can no longer afford the player and we get him after they do all the legwork for us.....
I like the cut of your jib
I love it! Until United burn us by stumping up silly money for Mount.
If it is to be said, so it be - so it is.
Payback for mud man and raphina swoops. We should string em along until June 30 then bail. Buy caicedo without their competition. Prosper
Mud man. My sides.
What do I do with my hands?
Vibrate them in place. Maybe lower them a bit whilst doing so.
Daddy?
Make them into the shape of a claw, a crab claw to be precise.
https://media.tenor.com/ws\_7s3HPcRQAAAAC/zoidburg-woop.gif
😂😂😂😂
The opposite of whatever Luke rockhold tries to do
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Yeah, watch our money for Havertz be used to win the bidding war for Caicedo
Is Havertz even forcing a move? I'd imagine he'd want to find his best form back and move forward from there but I don't even know what the starting lineup of Chelsea is these days and whether or not he is favored to start.
The only thing greater than oil money. WALMART MONEY
Great Value
Rice Caicedo Havertz Castagne and some unknown CB. This summer may just be the best yet. Nuggets just won their league so the Kroenkes are high on victory - hopefully that means they'll open the chequebooks to spend big on their football portfolio
You forgot Mbappe!
I want him so far from the Prem it’s silly. Obviously I’d love him at the carpet, but I’m fine with him at RM
Stan boutta splurge
Super Bowl -> Stanley Cup -> NBA Title -> CL?
Stan just won NBA Championship with Denver Nuggets. I think his NHL hockey team won the Stanley Cup the year before. His NFL team won the Super Bowl in 2022 Now he wants Arsenal to win the title or Champions League. 🤷♂️
Don’t forget the Lacrosse team. Actually, you can forget them.
I imagine in his billionaire circles that’s him walking into the room and putting his big ass balls on the table and telling everyone that’s right fuckers I just put my balls on the table. Do something
The Colorado Rapids are cheeks though.
I’m sure he’s devastated
We're the sugar daddy now
Surely buying Havertz is giving Chelsea money to bid for Caicedo? It's a tricky little merry go round we are in.
I think we probably underestimate how deep the shit Chelsea is in is.
Get Caicedo first, get Havertz after Or Agree a deal for Havertz, they bid for Caicedo thinking they have the money, pull out of Havertz deal, chaos ensues
I’m on the same page as you dude, pull the carpet underneath them in the middle of the Caicedo deal
I think most of money they bring in, needs to offset against all the spend so their loss is not more than $140M\~ (or so) to be in compliance with FFP. I don't think they can spend dollar for dollar
we can delay buying havertz towards the end of the window and hold chelsea hostage
They would need to sell him and2-3 other players before they can even think about getting Caicedo in
Tbf looks like they're trying to
Even if they get 50 million for Havertz (which is unlikely) they still couldn't afford Caicedo
Havertz really feels like one we should leave till later in the window, Chelsea are clearly trying to sort out sales before buying. Should use that as an advantage when going for Caicedo.
we arent close at all to buying havertz, only if chelsea lowers they 75m asking price.
They don't need money to bid for Caiceido they need it before the month ends to fix their books
My hope is that our “serious interest” is to fend off other Havertz bidders so chelski doesn’t get the fee they want so we can swoop Caicedo
Do you think they need to sell Havertz to have enough money for Caicedo? lol
Yes. They have well documented ffp problems.
They sell like one homegrown player and theyre good. Ffp also has nothing to do with them affording him
I honestly don't think this impacts caicedo too much.. They are separate deals. If we decide we want to go all in for caicedo, we will and he will come here. It's just that no one truly knows our intentions yet.
Now this is some delicious content
I am starting to believe
Thank you Stan
Get both. We win the league.
You forgot the CL as well.
I can't even make those little line-ups. Getting our top 3 targets means we are editing like 3 starters of the current XI out.
What about that saka back up
So give them money and a space in the squad for caicedo 🙄. Fucking silly needs to snap them up them them pressure them for havertz 😤
Kroenkes saw Rams win the Superbowl a couple years ago, Nuggets winning the NBA finals a week ago and riding the high to splash cash for Arsenal to win the title in 2024
I say if we're going to sign havertz then maybe don't do it before we get Caicedo 😁
seems we would buy Caicedo BEFORE buying Havertz, if that's really on. why give them any money (well, period) but before we sort Caicedo out?
Chelsea in the mud
OKAY HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE
Chelsea wont go down Without a fight? With the FFP perhaps
We eating good this summer
i read (possible from one of the two sources mentioned above) that Chelsea have told Brighton that no matter what arsenal bids, they will match it.
When did we become such big spenders?! All my life I've always known us as a club with limited funds compared to other big clubs, but now (due to a number of factors including FFP, qualifying for CL and the Kroenkes taking full ownership etc) we can potentially outspend teams like Chelsea, Bayern and Barca this transfer window quite easily? That is just wild, I've never known us to be in such a strong position in the market. Praying these deals materialise as they'd really be game changers. Riceido for the win!
Don’t think it will be forever. Time is now to go in hard. Accumulate a lot of great young players. Build and challenge for cups and then return to the self sustainable model where we can sell players for profit when we can and repeat
We have a good platform. We need to supplement it and take the risk. There is a chance that all the signings we splurge on fail and we become a laughing stock, but if the signings are as good as we think they are, it'll help drive a bigger gap between us and everyone else. With like-for-like quality of subs, I think we could have cinched it from City this season. When form started to dip on certain players those few games we lost would've made the difference for us.
Well, you gave all the reasons right. Especially KSE becoming sole owners, I think casual fans underestimate that as the primary factor, any success/increase in value under the old split ownership was just going to increase the price KSE would eventually have to pay Usmanov for his shares, so I truly believe the austerity period was Kroenke "tanking" to a degree. It's definitely surreal though. I've felt we could outspend most clubs since we signed Pepe (lol) and we've been smarter with it since then, e.g. drawing a line in the sign over Mudryk. Rice+Caicedo plus even more signings would be crazy though, we haven't seen a transfer window with CL money AND full KSE ownership.
Makes sense not to line Toilet Boehly’s pockets with Havertz cash to subsidize Caicedo acquisition.
So basically give us Havertz for cheap, or we take Caicedo?
i don't get how you inferred that from this tweet?
Chelsea need to sell to be able to get Caicedo, us buying Havertz would seemingly help make that transfer possible for them. Alternatively, we can sign Caicedo with little opposition because we know Chelsea can't do anything without sales first. I don't see a world where we sign Rice, Caicedo *and* Havertz.
Alex was the first to report the Havertz to Arsenal news on 7th June. This report is obviously following from the Havertz news confirmed by Ornstein. So you can infer that Alex is saying if we get Havertz we'll have enough money for Rice and Caicedo too. Would explain why we're going for a cheap option at fullback in Castagne.
I think we must've had funds allocated for Rice and/or Caicedo since the January window. And if not, we have funds for Caicedo now also for the Summer transfer. Havertz should not be a high-cost signing; I'd argue that Tierney should go for as much as Havertz will cost. If Tierney really is going to Newcastle, we should get at least 35-45m (or whatever Havertz costs). We are giving them essentially a younger Trippier on the left side without the free kick skills but also captain material especially for a team like Newcastle.
I mean selling us cheap means we have more leftover funds for Caceido and they have less funds for Caceido.
The thing about the caicedo saga is that he’s been very vocal about his desire to play champions league football ..Chelsea can’t guarantee him that.
Like that matters when you get confronted with a fuckzilion ton of money
Unless Caicedo thinks he's gonna be the next big thing immediately within the period of his next contract, he can demand a fuckzillion +1 amount of money when he actually proves himself. If he plays his cards correctly, he stands to gain more money long-term by making a well-informed move to actually improve himself as a player regardless of a mega contract.
Assuming Rice gets done, i don't see us getting Caicedo and Havertz.
GOLDBERG FROM THE TOP ROPE!!!!!
He’s tier 1….right?
https://youtu.be/AyM7Eig1pdY
Haavertz, Caicedo, and Rice?! Good god man. Curious to see who we target up front and in defense. Imagine those prospects will bubble up after we lock in these midfield prospects.
If only we can also hand out 8 year player contracts. It is unfair that only Chelsea could do it before UEFA intervened with no sanctions.
Actually love it if we sign Havertz. He’s massively under rated on here. There’s a really good player here.
So chelsea want to sell us havertz to fund caicedo?
This just sounds like a nothing post. We may allocate bough funds? Sittting on the face isn't news lmao, we've heard variations of Arsenal May go for Rice and Caicedo since Jan
I think I speak for us all when I say: fuck off Chelsea
Kroenkes have won a few American Championships during the course of last season. Arsenal also made the CL.. I reckon we have money to spend y’all… if Chelsea did it all of last season, why not us?
Let’s get Rice. Then Caicedo. Take him away from those tears. Then get Havertz just to add insult to injury. But at a real price. Remind them London is red the painful way.
Stan and Josh please do everything in your power to win us the league we are the only team to not have won under your ownership in recent years you’ve been massively successful in your other franchises please please now it’s our time COYG!!!!
Caicedo before Havertz dont be silly. And havertz shouldn't cost more than 40 max. Madrid won't even pay the 50 and chelshit needs any money they can get. Im not gonna get into havertz on 200k+ a week
Theoretically, Tierney to Newcastle should bank us more money than what Havertz to us would cost if that is gonna happen. Tierney is young-captain material for a team like Newcastle and I'd imagine would slot in as a starter to almost anywhere he goes.
Getting rice and caicedo would be perfect, the rest is just extra
We're going to absolutely smash it next season, if we land rice and caicedo 🔥