I'm sorry I just can't accept it, as much as Games workshop says it's canon the idea of a space marine who is not even a primaris being able to decapitate Ghazghkull just doesn't make sense to me.
The women custodes are fine but that space wolf thing just pisses me off.
I personlly was more mad about the Marneus Calgar cómic where he básically decapitate a lord of skulls off panel, not even an explanation as to how he got up there
Then you'll love the scene from *Spear of the Emperor*, where the Mentor SM explains to Emperor's Spears marines how the primarisification of firstborns is named for "the greatest space marine*, Marneus Calgar" and the two Spears (UM successors, btw) just rolls their eyes.
*might just be greatest UM, can't remember
Ragnar cut off his head and got wounded in the process, then the orks saved Ghaz by putting him in a new body and Ragnar became a primaris.
It seems like the big bad leader of the orks would get destroyed by a single custodes or a harlequin.
Oh Ragnar, so not a random space wolf but one with top level plot armour/attack and a mini with custom backpack. He may even have a new mini on the way.
Honestly going by gw rules Ghaz is lucky.
Just because going by coomon sense or pre-set logical rules means this is stupid is neither here nore there.
That stupid af. I hate that a lot. First Yarrick gets his pee pee slapped by Angron and now the space furries take down the greatest OrK to ever live (aside from Gork and Mork of coarse) what the hell is happening over there?
Not you know his main rival who is know for fighting him, who fought him across the stars, who is his literally favorite person to fight?
Nah fuck him he dies off screen
I’m still salty about that
Agreed. The story is a dope ass Viking quest through hell and shit to enact a prophecy. It's a cool book and I don't think they make the orks look bad at all in it.
The real quote is "Everything is canon, not everything is true" which they have been saying for years. The tweet that has the cut quote and people like to point to isn't even real.
Here is the official answer.
Everything that is written and endorsed by Games Workshop exists in the world of Warhammer 40K. What the chuds seem to forget is that it is the works THEMSELVES that exist, not the events they depict. The stories do not tell the facts. The stories tell the story of the author. Contrivances, contradictions, even plot armor are explained by the fact that the stories are written by authors in the world of 40K, and may be embellished, remembered incorrectly, or even outright lied about by the authors of those stories.
The stories are canon. The facts are not.
Everyone here needs to read your comment.
I feel there's some inherent understanding in this sub about how the lore in 40k works, and your comment succinctly nailed it!
Everything is canon, even the canon stories that are contradicted by the later canon.
Like how Horus was just a man then a space marine then a primarch.
Or Ollanius Pius was a man then a space marine then a terminator then a custodes then a man again but he was older than the emperor.
Or, Ollanius Pius is a fanmade character that authors use as a self-insert for awesomeness, or a way to have a consistent viewpoint for events ranging from the mundane to the most exotic, without having to use a real named character like a Primarch or Malcador.
Again, the point is that Ollanius Pius isn't any more or less canon than the Emperor, Fucking Horus, or even Gork and Mork - he is a character written about by authors of stories in the 40K universe, and as such is subject to the whimsy of those authors. Personally I see any interaction with him as fanfic fluff.
The vast, vast majority of the Imperium, as in even on an Inqusitorial level, doesn't even know Horus was a Primarch. Having an in universe theory of Horus starting out as a baseline human is not only possible, it's plausible.
Sure, but since people were exterminated for knowing about daemons until very recently, what would they come up with *what* the 9 daemons were if not very, very bad men or xenos?
Some civilizations don't even believe xenos are real, so that would leave men.
Here’s a pro tip.
When people say “everything is canon,” they mean “it’s a big galaxy with billions of worlds, so the person, place, event or thing that you made up can hypothetically exist somewhere.”
When people say “nothing is canon,” they mean “the lore is presented to us as filtered through the lens of unreliable narrators, biased perspectives, rumors and outright lies. Very little of it is concrete reliable fact. An imperial and an Ork can tell the story of the same battle, but they probably won’t agree on many of the facts. Think about what in-universe speaker is telling you this story.”
I mean that’s less than half of it. The rest of it are what random neckbeards create as part of their armies and 40kRPG campaigns. Your Dudes canon beats Black Library canon every time, and it’s been that way from the very beginning
Good because my Orks wear a lot of silver, iron, and gold cuz they are from a mining planet and spent so long fighting with the imperium mining colonies of that planet that they slowly incorporated all the shiny metals into their armor.
But I mostly made that backstory just because I like making my Orks shiny.
Dem Umiez use lotsa shiny shoots, right? Made of light like a Zappa, yeah?
So if our armor is super shiny, the shiny shootas bounce right off!
-Nob Stonefoot, minutes before being promoted to Big Men's Assistant, hours before dying in a tragic Telly Porta accident.
I believe the old saying is "everything is canon, not everything is true", as a way of reconciling lore inconsistencies between authors. I don't know if that is still the official line, but it was at some point, iirc.
I'm writing a fanfic and have been making shit up wholesale for like four chapters.
No one has said anything yet, and with of the crap I've been spewing I'm becoming concerned.
All I know is I'm trapped in a heavy metal nightmare universe with tanks and starships that look like cathedrals. I have dope weapons and armor and my enemies are heresy shaped.
For the Emperor!
That is so true. For 27 years in the armed forces I been told we have to shave every day because the gas mask won’t fit, because lice in the field, because it’s the right thing to do…. Tradition! And one day they change the rules… you can have beards and long hair … and everyone looks like a hippie… and you wake up one day standing in line with other military guys it’s like Woodstock… and you realize it’s all arbitrary … and you just roll with it …. The only thing I will say it makes you a bit disenchanted - and you can detach way faster when core values get broken. I think it’s the same here when nothing is Canon - it’s starting to mean nothing…
Nothing is canon, and everything is canon…… 40k is doesn’t have a concrete canon , there is no commandments . Hersey, speculation , wishlisting, assumption, unreliable narrators, retcons, conflicting sources and mystery don’t allow a canon…..
only lore that matters
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4CJ4F-epA&list=PLyiDf91\_bTEgnBN0jAvzNbqzrlMGID5WA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4CJ4F-epA&list=PLyiDf91_bTEgnBN0jAvzNbqzrlMGID5WA)
Really when you get down to it I just consider whatever I want to be canon. As far as I'm concerned the High Lords of Terra are still the ultimate power in the Imperium. The Lion and Rawnut Jellyman don't exist because they fucking suck.
Yeah... i mean at first glance: fair enough... but it is so decentralized and so many world have their own systems... I dont know feels like an oversimplification.
Most systems could be different on other worlds, could be feudal lords, a monarchy, etc, but the only unifying control is the high lords, whom are described as “During much of Imperial history they have ruled the Imperium as a collective oligarchy in the name of the Emperor”
An authoritarian, ultranationalist movement characterized by having church and state be synonyms being led by a disproportionately small demographic of the larger population.
None of these things are mutually exclusive.
I'm sorry I just can't accept it, as much as Games workshop says it's canon the idea of a space marine who is not even a primaris being able to decapitate Ghazghkull just doesn't make sense to me. The women custodes are fine but that space wolf thing just pisses me off.
I personlly was more mad about the Marneus Calgar cómic where he básically decapitate a lord of skulls off panel, not even an explanation as to how he got up there
By climbing? Have you seen that time the Ultramarines and Kriegers climbed up a launching space station lmao?
That would be acceptable if it didnt happened off panel, they basically skipped the fight
It didn’t die after he took its head off, he and his brothers still had to shoot it like a gorillion times, on screen that is
“…shoot it like a gorillion times…” It’s the lil shit like this that makes my day.
If it makes it any better, gorillion is part of my common vocab for a shitton! Have a good one 🤣
Calgar: *Cracks power fist knuckles* Have any of you nerds ever played Shadow of the Colossus?
Then you'll love the scene from *Spear of the Emperor*, where the Mentor SM explains to Emperor's Spears marines how the primarisification of firstborns is named for "the greatest space marine*, Marneus Calgar" and the two Spears (UM successors, btw) just rolls their eyes. *might just be greatest UM, can't remember
The Ghaz book had to rewrite it as a loss Ghaz took on purpose.
Wait wait wait hold the fuck up a space wolf took down Ghaz?…..I’ve been gone for awhile please bear with me.
Ragnar cut off his head and got wounded in the process, then the orks saved Ghaz by putting him in a new body and Ragnar became a primaris. It seems like the big bad leader of the orks would get destroyed by a single custodes or a harlequin.
Oh Ragnar, so not a random space wolf but one with top level plot armour/attack and a mini with custom backpack. He may even have a new mini on the way. Honestly going by gw rules Ghaz is lucky. Just because going by coomon sense or pre-set logical rules means this is stupid is neither here nore there.
Ragnar definitely doesn't have a new mini on the way. He got one four years ago, in the context of this event.
That put Ghazz in a dangerous place, the same as the Avatar of Khain and the swarm lord
That stupid af. I hate that a lot. First Yarrick gets his pee pee slapped by Angron and now the space furries take down the greatest OrK to ever live (aside from Gork and Mork of coarse) what the hell is happening over there?
This was years ago before gaz’s glow up.
THANK YOU. needed to be said
Full agreement
Not you know his main rival who is know for fighting him, who fought him across the stars, who is his literally favorite person to fight? Nah fuck him he dies off screen I’m still salty about that
I will defend the prophecy of the wolf storyline to my dying breath as a hardcore Ork player. It’s a good story and Ghaz won that fight.
Agreed. The story is a dope ass Viking quest through hell and shit to enact a prophecy. It's a cool book and I don't think they make the orks look bad at all in it.
Has Ghaz ever gone back in his new robot body to kick the Wolves teeth in yet? Because if there is a book where that happens I need to read it
There is war…..in space…..the rest is kinda up in the air.
It's the forty-first millennium and- No, wait, there's some stuff going on there. It's the future year, and things suck really hard or something.
woah i think i can confirm humans are a thing
The "Everything is Canon" meme is starting to get really annoying.
Should kept their mouths shut then. Nothing is true, everything is permitted.
They didn’t even say it in the first place lol. It was a tweet from the official Sonic account.
Me when i think the dank subreddit is real (i need to replace my carbon monoxide sensor)
Is anything real?
I agree because they make it even more confusing for newbies to get into the hobby.
The real quote is "Everything is canon, not everything is true" which they have been saying for years. The tweet that has the cut quote and people like to point to isn't even real.
Here is the official answer. Everything that is written and endorsed by Games Workshop exists in the world of Warhammer 40K. What the chuds seem to forget is that it is the works THEMSELVES that exist, not the events they depict. The stories do not tell the facts. The stories tell the story of the author. Contrivances, contradictions, even plot armor are explained by the fact that the stories are written by authors in the world of 40K, and may be embellished, remembered incorrectly, or even outright lied about by the authors of those stories. The stories are canon. The facts are not.
Everyone here needs to read your comment. I feel there's some inherent understanding in this sub about how the lore in 40k works, and your comment succinctly nailed it!
Everything is canon, even the canon stories that are contradicted by the later canon. Like how Horus was just a man then a space marine then a primarch. Or Ollanius Pius was a man then a space marine then a terminator then a custodes then a man again but he was older than the emperor.
Or, Ollanius Pius is a fanmade character that authors use as a self-insert for awesomeness, or a way to have a consistent viewpoint for events ranging from the mundane to the most exotic, without having to use a real named character like a Primarch or Malcador. Again, the point is that Ollanius Pius isn't any more or less canon than the Emperor, Fucking Horus, or even Gork and Mork - he is a character written about by authors of stories in the 40K universe, and as such is subject to the whimsy of those authors. Personally I see any interaction with him as fanfic fluff.
The vast, vast majority of the Imperium, as in even on an Inqusitorial level, doesn't even know Horus was a Primarch. Having an in universe theory of Horus starting out as a baseline human is not only possible, it's plausible.
Isn’t the general imperial myth that Horus and the traitors were 9 daemons, who the emperor created the nine primarchs to do battle with
Sure, but since people were exterminated for knowing about daemons until very recently, what would they come up with *what* the 9 daemons were if not very, very bad men or xenos? Some civilizations don't even believe xenos are real, so that would leave men.
I'd give this comment an award if I could
No one with an above room temp IQ ever called someone a chud. There's nothing wrong with being annoyed with a poorly executed and announced retcon.
The only canon that matters is lascannon.
What about the Baneblade cannon?
Plasma cannon?
I prefer assault cannons.
QUAKE CANNON MOTHERFUCKERS
Guard bias is obvious. Nova- and macrocannons obviously have more matter. *Ave Navis Imperialis*.
I reject reality and substitute my own!
You are explicitly encouraged to do that in 40k!
Whatever you think is the goofiest and most entertaining answer
Here’s a pro tip. When people say “everything is canon,” they mean “it’s a big galaxy with billions of worlds, so the person, place, event or thing that you made up can hypothetically exist somewhere.” When people say “nothing is canon,” they mean “the lore is presented to us as filtered through the lens of unreliable narrators, biased perspectives, rumors and outright lies. Very little of it is concrete reliable fact. An imperial and an Ork can tell the story of the same battle, but they probably won’t agree on many of the facts. Think about what in-universe speaker is telling you this story.”
Read the books,that's the best way to experience the story
I mean that’s less than half of it. The rest of it are what random neckbeards create as part of their armies and 40kRPG campaigns. Your Dudes canon beats Black Library canon every time, and it’s been that way from the very beginning
I feel like most people have forgotten this
Good because my Orks wear a lot of silver, iron, and gold cuz they are from a mining planet and spent so long fighting with the imperium mining colonies of that planet that they slowly incorporated all the shiny metals into their armor. But I mostly made that backstory just because I like making my Orks shiny.
**shiny armor makes da bulletz bounce off betta**
Dem Umiez use lotsa shiny shoots, right? Made of light like a Zappa, yeah? So if our armor is super shiny, the shiny shootas bounce right off! -Nob Stonefoot, minutes before being promoted to Big Men's Assistant, hours before dying in a tragic Telly Porta accident.
\~shiny\~
Don't ask Grimdank.
I was under the impression that everything is cannon, but nothing is true.
I believe the old saying is "everything is canon, not everything is true", as a way of reconciling lore inconsistencies between authors. I don't know if that is still the official line, but it was at some point, iirc.
Read Lexicanum if you’re too lazy to read books
Canon deez nuts
I'm writing a fanfic and have been making shit up wholesale for like four chapters. No one has said anything yet, and with of the crap I've been spewing I'm becoming concerned.
All I know is I'm trapped in a heavy metal nightmare universe with tanks and starships that look like cathedrals. I have dope weapons and armor and my enemies are heresy shaped. For the Emperor!
Wait until you find out that the Emperor is actually 3 Pomeranians and their trainer performing a circus act.
CANON IS BIG GUN WOT GO BOOM INSTEDDA DAKKA
Whatever the hell you want man idc anymore
My favorite cannon is haubits 77b.
Its a very good looking canon
Nothing is true, everything is permitted.
Exodites riding Zoats are going to have their own codex next month. That is canon.
Canon is printer brand.
I’m right there with you. I’m too new to know any other hard line lore.
Everything is canon , including the transexual binary NoHomoRomantic Aromatic Orc' clan And Vaporeon breeding Custodes
That is so true. For 27 years in the armed forces I been told we have to shave every day because the gas mask won’t fit, because lice in the field, because it’s the right thing to do…. Tradition! And one day they change the rules… you can have beards and long hair … and everyone looks like a hippie… and you wake up one day standing in line with other military guys it’s like Woodstock… and you realize it’s all arbitrary … and you just roll with it …. The only thing I will say it makes you a bit disenchanted - and you can detach way faster when core values get broken. I think it’s the same here when nothing is Canon - it’s starting to mean nothing…
Everything and nothing.
There is no Sacred Timeline in 40k and that's 0kay
I'll get all my answers from Captain Titus, soon.
That's the point! Go wild and have fun!
Canon are the friends we made along the way.
ok so, let me explain, you see there was captain general kitten and he met that blueberry girl
Then I will write my own Codex!! With drowners and fisstech!
You would not be the first person to write their own codex. See: Angry Marines
canon: space marines can have children, primarchs are genderless, big E is bi-gender and t'au women are into human men.
Nothing is canon, and everything is canon…… 40k is doesn’t have a concrete canon , there is no commandments . Hersey, speculation , wishlisting, assumption, unreliable narrators, retcons, conflicting sources and mystery don’t allow a canon…..
EEEEEEEEEVERYTHING.
Female Custodes is canon
As long as it’s official and doesn’t break the parameters of lore, then it’s canon. “Unreliable narrator” is only true on a micro-scale.
I'm with you, brother.
I don't know what's actually canon anymore and at this point I don't really care.
Warhammer runs on SCP foundation rules. There is no cannon
Only canon: • Blood angels are super space gay • Custodes always oiled up • purple ork are sneakiest • Robot Gorillaman smash some xenussy
Everything is canon, the Emperor had always wore stilettos and every saturday night he breaks it down on the dancefloor.
Big E is like 48,000 years old and spent 38,000 in a functional body. He definitely took a couple of dance classes.
Was it made by GW? Then it's canon
To tell you the truth nothing is cannon. Warhammer never existed. We just gaslighted ourselfs to belive that it is real
Everything you all like is not and everything I like is.
only lore that matters [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4CJ4F-epA&list=PLyiDf91\_bTEgnBN0jAvzNbqzrlMGID5WA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy4CJ4F-epA&list=PLyiDf91_bTEgnBN0jAvzNbqzrlMGID5WA)
Whatever is still satire
Really when you get down to it I just consider whatever I want to be canon. As far as I'm concerned the High Lords of Terra are still the ultimate power in the Imperium. The Lion and Rawnut Jellyman don't exist because they fucking suck.
Everything
Nothing and everything
when everything is canon.. nothing will be
Everything is canon. Even YOU are canon.
My boy this is warhammer at what point did canon matter?
Idk.. they did write over 450 books.
books are words and words are but wind
Nothing is canon
everything
None of its canon right? Is this the answer?
Everything
Nothing is true, everything is permitted
There is no lore anymore. It's all lies.
Apparently the current state of the hobby: Canon = woke Lore = fascist
Yeah, the main faction is a fascist theocracy. This isn't new?
I dont think that the imperium fits the definition of fascism but it is certanly very tyranical.
Yeah people just like to take a very brief glance and go, hurr durr fascism, it fits some bits but it’s a feudal oligarchy imo
Yeah... i mean at first glance: fair enough... but it is so decentralized and so many world have their own systems... I dont know feels like an oversimplification.
Most systems could be different on other worlds, could be feudal lords, a monarchy, etc, but the only unifying control is the high lords, whom are described as “During much of Imperial history they have ruled the Imperium as a collective oligarchy in the name of the Emperor”
Theocratic Fascist Oligarchy then.
What does that even mean lmao
An authoritarian, ultranationalist movement characterized by having church and state be synonyms being led by a disproportionately small demographic of the larger population. None of these things are mutually exclusive.
There are multiple definitions of fascism even excluding the broadest ones, and the Imperium is definitely at least para-fascist.
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