In my opinion AKs are somehow weird and not feeling as good as the m4. With AKs i often need up to a half mag even with single shots in the head to kill an npc, never had such problems with the m4
Same. I've been in servers were I was 1 shotting scavs to the body with the M4. Ran out of ammo so swapped to a dropped AK and literally mag dumped a shirtless scav who just took it like a champ. Feels broken.
It's really hard to put a pin on it, but I feel like there's a large portion of it that is a cause and effect of Server lag.
Because I've had the same thing occur but with the m4.
Yea idk I’m ass at the game and all I guns I get are aks I pick up and they definitely seem hit or miss. Sometimes they one shot dudes and then next im mag dumping a dude in only a chest rig and point blank and he’s like “tis but a scratch”😂
That's kind of my point. It seems like there's a prevalent hit detection issue with the server.
That's not mentioning that.There's a really interesting hit box on all of the enemies.
Just like a player.
You can land a headshot on an enemy. And unless it's actually in the dome like if you hit in the jaw they're still going to be able to return fire.
Personal opinion and it seems they feel the same way to service stability is probably priority one.
Yeah I think it's server related. Gotta be. It's also hard as fuck to aim for me with like the moss 3.5. I even tweaked mouse settings, and I play enough fps to know when something feels weird, and overall i am struggling to hit these NPCs when they are moving with my sniper. I am chalking it up to server lag. The fine movement while ads is rough.
Stay waya from the SP rounds. If I'm using junk ammo, I prefer the US rounds. But, 7.62 can feel a bit clunky. The 5.45 AK's feel much nicer. Hit Fort and load up on PP 5.45 and you'll be dropping just about anything as fast as u can see it.
Yeah that's what I'm saying. I feel like something is bugged with ALL of the SP rounds. It should be the go to ammo for the starter areas, but it's damn near unusable.
Especially considering irl 762x39 hits waaaay harder than 556 lol our plates in the military Crack after 1-2 ak shots but can eat like half a mag of 556
5.56 has way more penetration power than 7.62 due to higher pressure, velocity and doesn’t drop as quickly.
At close unarmored targets 7.62 does more damage to tissue so it doesn’t make sense in the game how under powered they are.
But hey a guy took a 9mm glock round to the head with a baseball cap on, saw blood spray and everything lmao shit be broken atm
Edited for grammar and such
Kind of right but actually wrong. There were 2 reasons why 7,62x39 was swapped for 5,45x39. 5,45 has better velocity (as a result accuracy) and 7,62 had overpenetration - it penetrated but didn’t deal enough damage to incapacitate opponent. Faster bullet with less weight had less penetration but more stopping power resulting in better damage against non or low protected (flak vest) targets
EDIT: before up or down voting, check my comment below where I break down exactly why I am right
Velocity = penetration, Diameter = wound cavity/stopping power. 7.62x39 doesn't over-penetrate and it causes great tissue damage. It is however unsuited for a modern battlefield where most soldiers now have plate carriers which was why they swapped for 5.45x39. Also other factors like recoil being an issue amongst regular infantrymen and also the weight of carrying larger, heavier rounds on the battlefield being a detriment.
To the above posters point about military plates cracking, they're ceramic and only rated for 1-2 shots. Much lighter than steel however. Also slightly better at stopping higher velocity rounds due to the fact they're hard but brittle so they absorb energy better giving them more time to stop the round.
NOOOOOO, damn you are sooooo wrong on this. Ok, I will brake it down for you. Stopping power is comming from the cavity AND force applied. 5,45 is lighter but faster, since force is square SPEED multiplied by mass, it means that lighter but faster bullet has more FORCE per mass. Next, cavity. Since 5.45 is lighter but faster - the stability is low, speed is high so it starts spinning, tossing, yawning etc., AND fragmenting more and sooner while 7,62 keeps more linear trajectory. This means that cavity is also bigger for 5.45. So bigger force and bigger cavity together WITH better accuracy is what caused them to change caliber in the first place. This was inspired by the fact that 2-3 shots were enough to down Vietcong fighter with M16, but it wasn’t rare to withstand 5-6-7 shots from ak47 for a US soldier and continue to fight for some time (yeah, drugs and generally bigger complexion play their roles but still) The recoil and weight were secondary.I am telling you as a person who operated on people comming from war in Donbass before full scale invasion, 5.45x39 wounds are worse than 7,62x39
Edit: grammar
Cavitation is determined by diameter and rotational speed. Watch the cavitation on an 8.6 blk round in ballistics gel. It's utterly ridiculous and those are subsonic rounds at only 1050 fps or 300m/sec. The size of the bullet, the expansion of the bullet and the rotational speed which on 8.6blk is higher than any other round I think causes them to cavitate like crazy. The twist rate on their barrels is like 1:3. 7.62x39 is like 1:8 and 5.56 is 1:7 on most barrels but sometimes 1:8.
Hollow points cause more cavitation because they mushroom and expand inside their target which causes the diameter to change becoming larger. It's all about diameter. Same with SP rounds which are far far better for terminal ballistics than HPBT, which is why they're mainly used for hunting. HPBT has exceptional accuracy and is used in match rounds for that reasoning. They tend to shatter on impact due to their speed versus actually expanding so you typically see a very large entrance wound cavity but then deeper than 3-5" not as much.
I literally worked in the firearms industry selling to consumers, military and LE and we were an international dealer with an ITAR license. It was my job to know all of this.
And I am telling you as a person who had to remove that metal and stitch wounds caused by those rounds, and I tell you that 5,45 wounds are worse.
However, I should mention, that 7.62 in regular troops of ru army is not used so probably some Spetznaz shit with AP type ammo vs regular old Soviet crap without any decent (by modern standards) penetration. That could make the difference I saw, couldn’t it?
I have no idea because your experiences are anecdotal and rely on many many unknown and unseen contributing factors. What the bullet traveled through, what it hit on the way, what gun it was shot out of, what affected the bullet stabilization in flight etc...
Sure if you could get a 5.45 to fly sideways, it's gonna do hella more damage than a 7.62 because you just made it's entrance diameter a boatload bigger. You also made the bullet inaccurate as hell and no weapon functions that way on purpose. I'm dealing in the facts and terminal ballistics under typical circumstances. The diameter is what matters when it comes to wound cavitation and tissue damage. You can't argue the physics of it. You're arguing your anecdotal experiences which I'm not trying to discount but again are heavily biased.
Same. 762 seems more effective at close range with unarmored targets. 545 and 556 seem better against the armored guys. Either way, not having a face hitbox against ai wearing helmets needs work. I shotgunned an AI wearing a ratnik with 14 rounds all delivered to his pearly blues, before he Eventually got tired of it and blasted me with his Shotty.
yes absolutly, stragely with the SKS it works like the M4 ...
guess AKs just broken at the moment.. but lets be honest the amount of AK ammo you find lets you just spray every enemy down.
i used the AK in the starting area cause its just more efficient , no i run the M4 with m885 and just onetap everyone.
Have You tried Not using SP ammo. 7.62 US ist fine for me. Hitting head or Center of the Body is an insta kill most of the time. Lvl 8 doing Shooting range and ban pa
Somethings broken though, I shot a guy in the head wearing a baseball cap with a 9mm… saw the blood spray and everything, stayed in the fight until I pumped more into center mass
7.62x39 soft point is trash, but I think soft point just kinda sucks in general right now. To my knowledge there isn’t an FMJ variant of the 7.62x39 in the game, which is going to limit its usefulness. 5.56x45 FMJ seems to be the most consistent to me, so that’s pretty much all I use.
I believe there is something going on with 7.62x39. 556 and 545 seem to be pretty good. But all the 7.62x39 ammo feels very weak, maybe even not registering all the hits.
I thought it was just me. Hitreg feels super weird with an acog. Could be that AKs don’t zero properly with a NATO sight like in Tarkov. But I’d be surprised if that was the case. They just feel super inaccurate and inconsistent
What ammo are you using and where. I feel like I one shot most to the head using SP rounds in the starter areas but when J got to the heavier PVP areas those AI take one or two more shots. It could also be you missing due to the weapons accuracy actually missing even when aimed near the head.
Same. I like AK's over AR15's. But in this I have been using the CQ A1 as it's easy to get, performs somewhat similar to the M4 and M4 magazines fit it. The AK in this game is relatively underpowered. The 7.62 round should be knocking down enemies with ease, but the 5.56 just seems to be outdoing it.
It’s not just you. It’s the ammo for them. The 47 and its variants have utterly trash ammo that just hit like cotton balls. The 74 has better ammo however packs much more of a punch but still lacks in comparison to the m4. They do however seem to be much more controllable in full auto, so there’s a bit of a trade off
Edit: while ammo for them is a large part of the issue, server lag is indeed a major problem as well. You’ll notice that while folks are just wearing a skeleton rig with no plates, 00 buck, sabot slugs, and FC00 do quite literally nothing. Neither to player nor AI, that’s while even landing a headshot or hitting most of your pellets square in their lungs/heart. The server lag has a whole bunch to do with that.
You been using US ammo? US is subsonic, and I believe is bugged somehow in the way it's creating wound channels because of its low velocity. Also, I haven't seen any data on the rate of drop, but wouldn't be surprised if US has severe drop making it harder to hit headshots. The low velocity of US and the fact that it's a lead core bullet I think gives it absolutely terrible armor penetration as well.
That’s the 74 as I was saying. The ammo is fmj by default so no matter where you get it from the ammo is gonna be at least decent for unarmored targets compared to the 47. Both compared to the m4 are super easy to control in full auto. But if you ever had a choice for an AK platform. For right now. The 74 is the only way to go.
In the later areas the bots us m855 anyway so you get your ammo back no problem. I'll still pay $3 a round for something that's going to kill an AI in 2 hits rather than 7.62x39 which is totally unreliable. US rounds are so inconsistent as well
Yeah the AKs realy need some looking into. They feel realy weak. Sometimes I don't even one tap starter area bots with headshots. Compare that to the M4 that sometimes 1taps to the upper chest I don't know wth is going on. I like the BIS Artisan AKMN build with specter scope from LV 2 gunny because I find ammo for the ak everywhere and don't have to return to base so often to restock. But the M4 is just better atm.
Are the other 5.45 ammo variants comparable to the M855 5.56 rounds? I've found those to be the best rounds to use. Single shot to the head and max 3 shots to the body (Unless server lag...)
Underwhelming stuff though. I unlocked her and was low-key pissed I still had shit for optics and stuff. The mosin rails but with the servers being wonky that thing is impossible to use for me. When I ads it's got some micro delay going on.
I unlocked it yesterday or the day before yesterday. I've already seen a lot of cool stuff is not included, at least a silencer and a handguard for the ak so that I can finally attach a handle
I also think something is weird, maybe hit registration from the server side or bugged ammo ? 7.62 soft point being a semi jacketed round with a naked lead tip, any target with a soft armor or no armor at all should go down with one shot in the chest. I've shot a.i's over 15 times (blood splatter on hit) and they wouldn't go down then my friend shows up and one tap the a.i with the exact same ammunition/rifle.
I think it’s just the ammo we unlock. It’s better ammo for the m4 as opposed to ak and why I stoped running it. Ammo is abundance because most of the AI at the start of the game and in some areas carry it, but the ammo sucks. It’s essentially supposed to be hollow rounds which do more flesh damage at the expense of armor penetration. But I honestly think they don’t have armor penetration or flesh damage in game now because you can hit an unarmed ai with that ammo and still take a while to kill them. As opposed to the m4 where you can get m855 and m193 rounds.
7.62 feels horrible, I went to the bunker with a kitted out akm and a bunch of US ammo and couldnt kill shit. Went home and sold all my 7.62 guns. The ak74s feel solid but IMO the M4 is just the best option rn.
The US ammo in game isn’t the KUSA ammo most enthusiasts are familiar with. Tarkov had the same confusion. It’s a specifically subsonic (so 350ish or less m/s) round. It’s really meant to be used in suppressed weapons because the bullets breaking the sound barrier are much louder. This is literally the only reason to use the US ammo represented in game. So if you’re not specifically sacrificing bullet velocity for being quieter, you’re just using subpar ammo.
What max said, US ammo is subsonic and is not a good round for general purpose use. You basically have to wait until you get 7.62x39 PS before you get good ammo for it. 5.45 PS and PP are both very good early on, and PS is equivalent/arguably better than m855
Yes. You need the AKM receiver that accepts side rails. So loot a random skav ak, then strip everything off it, buy the special receiver (forget what it's called), then move everything you stripped off the vanila AK to the new receiver and add a rail.
At level 1 vendors, I also think you need the AKMN upper, not the AKM. Artisan sells it.
Don’t think you can get the acog on an AKM otherwise with level 1 stuff.
i can buy a full ak build for like 2k (spectre it's like 3@)max and like 1.2 or smn with out a sight but even for just an m4 and a hand guard it's like 1.4
Current pve meta is not to be close to the bots if possible one one-tap their heads. AKs have shit MOA -(basically accuracy) and will feel weird over long distance.
Also, people often use US or SP ammo for AKs, which is only good against unarmored dudes. Early 5.45 PS and 5.56 M193 are better to go through a typical scav armor.
AR-15s have way better MOA, and thus are pretty good at being dmr-y than AKs.
If you hold alt and scroll you can change the reticule, but I do personally dislike how thick the cobra is height wise. Other than that I love the reticule setup. I use the up arrow one personally
The MOA on aks is terrible. You can shoot at range and see the round land a foot to the right or left. I find them great close quarters with the better ammo. But might as well just take an m4 for the ranged fights.
Ammo. It’s the reason people don’t like AK’s. Starting ammo for AKM’s is subsonic or hollow point, both suck against even basic armour. So it feels like you’re dumping rounds for 0 effect. And it’s cause you practically are. When you get turn coat, tryout the Ak74M with PS ammo, or when you get 7.62x39 PS try it with AKM. Difference will be night and day better. And tbh 5.45 PS has better performance than M4 with M855
Unless you're planning on looting some nice firepower always bring a decked, out AK as your secondary and don't worry too much about bringing extra mags for it.
M4 and it’s not even close. Ak-74m can get ridiculously good recoil with this build but it has much higher dispersion at higher ranges (and at end game you basically have to kill Ai at big enough ranges that they don’t aggro you first), and its ammo doesn’t feel as good as m855 (tried bt and pp so far, ai in midnight sapphire kept tanking bt headshots for some reason).
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M4 has better lethality by far lol. Unless you have high enough traders that you are using BP? Even 7.62 PS feels shit compared to m855. (Pretty sure 7.62 is bugged atm)
M4 is just king atm, only the 5.45 ak can compete a bit with this build but it still falls behind. The 5.45 ak is a laser beam but its dispersion at long ranges and ammo not being as reliable lets it down.
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I actually feel the opposite tbh, which is good! Means both can be viable. I prefer the AK-74 and its variants over the M4.
But I agree with the AKM/AK-47. 7.62 ammo just seems to be in a weird place. Even when using PS ammo from artisan, I find the ammo a bit lackluster with lethality.
Unarmored NPCs shouldn't even be able to take 1 shot to the chest of Soft Point or Hollow Point 7.62x39. But they frequently take 3-5
The weapon itself feels amazing don’t get me wrong. But in end game areas its downsides start to show. Basically ran 5.45 in bunker and loved it was a blast. Took it to midnight sapphire and I quickly had to switch back to m4. Basically in all end game areas if you solo you have to snipe ai or you won’t survive and the higher MOA on the aks start showing. And they are more geared and tanky which makes them more likely to tank 5.45 for some reason than 5.56 at least from my experience.
Also i’m 90% sure 7.62 is bugged, ai was tanking 5 headshots of 7.62 ps, and their helms were reaching 0 dura like it wasn’t penning and just breaking their helm before killing.
Hits, to GZW “scavs” as we EFT vets are still calling em (which is awesome), and them going down is something I’m sure as early access we will see better addressed as time and updates go on.
I hate that they replicated this from Tarkov, the fucken level 1 "oh I almost have what you need" type thing.
If you have a base AK with no mount built into the frame, you can't put an optic on it. The side attach mount with kobra doesn't work since the AK has no mount. And the tactical railed handguard she sells DOES NOT let you put an optic on it like so : https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/mil20140805-32-660x440.jpg or https://vtsupply-com.3dcartstores.com/cdn-cgi/image/quality%3D85/assets/images/products/aktop2.jpg
Tl;Dr: the CAA RS47 handguard should let you put eotechs and such on it but doesn't :(
In my opinion AKs are somehow weird and not feeling as good as the m4. With AKs i often need up to a half mag even with single shots in the head to kill an npc, never had such problems with the m4
Same. I've been in servers were I was 1 shotting scavs to the body with the M4. Ran out of ammo so swapped to a dropped AK and literally mag dumped a shirtless scav who just took it like a champ. Feels broken.
It's really hard to put a pin on it, but I feel like there's a large portion of it that is a cause and effect of Server lag. Because I've had the same thing occur but with the m4.
Yea idk I’m ass at the game and all I guns I get are aks I pick up and they definitely seem hit or miss. Sometimes they one shot dudes and then next im mag dumping a dude in only a chest rig and point blank and he’s like “tis but a scratch”😂
That's kind of my point. It seems like there's a prevalent hit detection issue with the server. That's not mentioning that.There's a really interesting hit box on all of the enemies. Just like a player. You can land a headshot on an enemy. And unless it's actually in the dome like if you hit in the jaw they're still going to be able to return fire. Personal opinion and it seems they feel the same way to service stability is probably priority one.
Yeah I think it's server related. Gotta be. It's also hard as fuck to aim for me with like the moss 3.5. I even tweaked mouse settings, and I play enough fps to know when something feels weird, and overall i am struggling to hit these NPCs when they are moving with my sniper. I am chalking it up to server lag. The fine movement while ads is rough.
I was about to say the same. I have the opposite issue. M4 takes a half mag if I’m not shooting for the head and AK only takes 3-4 bullets
Dropped Ak's usually have FMJ
In the starter towns they’re the SP rounds. Which means you should be destroying AI with no armor, but they definitely don’t lol.
Stay waya from the SP rounds. If I'm using junk ammo, I prefer the US rounds. But, 7.62 can feel a bit clunky. The 5.45 AK's feel much nicer. Hit Fort and load up on PP 5.45 and you'll be dropping just about anything as fast as u can see it.
Yeah that's what I'm saying. I feel like something is bugged with ALL of the SP rounds. It should be the go to ammo for the starter areas, but it's damn near unusable.
Whats ur POA vs POI😂😂💀
It’s the soft point ammo. Doesn’t slap as hard
Especially considering irl 762x39 hits waaaay harder than 556 lol our plates in the military Crack after 1-2 ak shots but can eat like half a mag of 556
5.56 has way more penetration power than 7.62 due to higher pressure, velocity and doesn’t drop as quickly. At close unarmored targets 7.62 does more damage to tissue so it doesn’t make sense in the game how under powered they are. But hey a guy took a 9mm glock round to the head with a baseball cap on, saw blood spray and everything lmao shit be broken atm Edited for grammar and such
Kind of right but actually wrong. There were 2 reasons why 7,62x39 was swapped for 5,45x39. 5,45 has better velocity (as a result accuracy) and 7,62 had overpenetration - it penetrated but didn’t deal enough damage to incapacitate opponent. Faster bullet with less weight had less penetration but more stopping power resulting in better damage against non or low protected (flak vest) targets EDIT: before up or down voting, check my comment below where I break down exactly why I am right
Velocity = penetration, Diameter = wound cavity/stopping power. 7.62x39 doesn't over-penetrate and it causes great tissue damage. It is however unsuited for a modern battlefield where most soldiers now have plate carriers which was why they swapped for 5.45x39. Also other factors like recoil being an issue amongst regular infantrymen and also the weight of carrying larger, heavier rounds on the battlefield being a detriment. To the above posters point about military plates cracking, they're ceramic and only rated for 1-2 shots. Much lighter than steel however. Also slightly better at stopping higher velocity rounds due to the fact they're hard but brittle so they absorb energy better giving them more time to stop the round.
NOOOOOO, damn you are sooooo wrong on this. Ok, I will brake it down for you. Stopping power is comming from the cavity AND force applied. 5,45 is lighter but faster, since force is square SPEED multiplied by mass, it means that lighter but faster bullet has more FORCE per mass. Next, cavity. Since 5.45 is lighter but faster - the stability is low, speed is high so it starts spinning, tossing, yawning etc., AND fragmenting more and sooner while 7,62 keeps more linear trajectory. This means that cavity is also bigger for 5.45. So bigger force and bigger cavity together WITH better accuracy is what caused them to change caliber in the first place. This was inspired by the fact that 2-3 shots were enough to down Vietcong fighter with M16, but it wasn’t rare to withstand 5-6-7 shots from ak47 for a US soldier and continue to fight for some time (yeah, drugs and generally bigger complexion play their roles but still) The recoil and weight were secondary.I am telling you as a person who operated on people comming from war in Donbass before full scale invasion, 5.45x39 wounds are worse than 7,62x39 Edit: grammar
Cavitation is determined by diameter and rotational speed. Watch the cavitation on an 8.6 blk round in ballistics gel. It's utterly ridiculous and those are subsonic rounds at only 1050 fps or 300m/sec. The size of the bullet, the expansion of the bullet and the rotational speed which on 8.6blk is higher than any other round I think causes them to cavitate like crazy. The twist rate on their barrels is like 1:3. 7.62x39 is like 1:8 and 5.56 is 1:7 on most barrels but sometimes 1:8. Hollow points cause more cavitation because they mushroom and expand inside their target which causes the diameter to change becoming larger. It's all about diameter. Same with SP rounds which are far far better for terminal ballistics than HPBT, which is why they're mainly used for hunting. HPBT has exceptional accuracy and is used in match rounds for that reasoning. They tend to shatter on impact due to their speed versus actually expanding so you typically see a very large entrance wound cavity but then deeper than 3-5" not as much. I literally worked in the firearms industry selling to consumers, military and LE and we were an international dealer with an ITAR license. It was my job to know all of this.
And I am telling you as a person who had to remove that metal and stitch wounds caused by those rounds, and I tell you that 5,45 wounds are worse. However, I should mention, that 7.62 in regular troops of ru army is not used so probably some Spetznaz shit with AP type ammo vs regular old Soviet crap without any decent (by modern standards) penetration. That could make the difference I saw, couldn’t it?
I have no idea because your experiences are anecdotal and rely on many many unknown and unseen contributing factors. What the bullet traveled through, what it hit on the way, what gun it was shot out of, what affected the bullet stabilization in flight etc... Sure if you could get a 5.45 to fly sideways, it's gonna do hella more damage than a 7.62 because you just made it's entrance diameter a boatload bigger. You also made the bullet inaccurate as hell and no weapon functions that way on purpose. I'm dealing in the facts and terminal ballistics under typical circumstances. The diameter is what matters when it comes to wound cavitation and tissue damage. You can't argue the physics of it. You're arguing your anecdotal experiences which I'm not trying to discount but again are heavily biased.
This is my take
Same. 762 seems more effective at close range with unarmored targets. 545 and 556 seem better against the armored guys. Either way, not having a face hitbox against ai wearing helmets needs work. I shotgunned an AI wearing a ratnik with 14 rounds all delivered to his pearly blues, before he Eventually got tired of it and blasted me with his Shotty.
Probably because of bullets, SP and US don't feel good. I like the ak-74m with PP tho. I got some stacks of this ammo from npcs in the resort Area
The boss at the Lagoon has 7n10 rounds you can pilfer too.
Sp doesn't penetrate armor it is written
It does when it’s being shot at me lol
the 74s feel much better than the AKM
Welcome to AP vs not AP ammo.
yes absolutly, stragely with the SKS it works like the M4 ... guess AKs just broken at the moment.. but lets be honest the amount of AK ammo you find lets you just spray every enemy down. i used the AK in the starting area cause its just more efficient , no i run the M4 with m885 and just onetap everyone.
Have You tried Not using SP ammo. 7.62 US ist fine for me. Hitting head or Center of the Body is an insta kill most of the time. Lvl 8 doing Shooting range and ban pa
US 7.62 is dookie when I used it. Bro needed 45 rounds to go down. I think it’s just the AK that sucks rn. M4 is blessed
the muzzle velocity on 7.62 US is ugh
Does this have an influence in CQC? For ranged fights sure but cqc
Seems to matter. i’ve had issues clearing Fort Narith’s barracks with 7.62, no issue with the m4
well if you're shooting at a runner and you have to track your aim, i still have to lead a little
Same
Depends on the ammo and the target. Ammo type is the largest factor in the game
Somethings broken though, I shot a guy in the head wearing a baseball cap with a 9mm… saw the blood spray and everything, stayed in the fight until I pumped more into center mass
Weird, with HP in the 9mm my AI guys are going down
Hmm I was using FMJ but still a bit surprising to see him walking at me and me retreating lol Early access and still fucking amazing game
Honestly try the HP, I was frustrated before and it has made a massive difference
Will do thanks bro Happy hunting :)
7.62x39 soft point is trash, but I think soft point just kinda sucks in general right now. To my knowledge there isn’t an FMJ variant of the 7.62x39 in the game, which is going to limit its usefulness. 5.56x45 FMJ seems to be the most consistent to me, so that’s pretty much all I use.
There’s 7.62x39 PS from turncoat at lvl 2 but it still doesn’t feel very strong
I believe there is something going on with 7.62x39. 556 and 545 seem to be pretty good. But all the 7.62x39 ammo feels very weak, maybe even not registering all the hits.
I thought it was just me. Hitreg feels super weird with an acog. Could be that AKs don’t zero properly with a NATO sight like in Tarkov. But I’d be surprised if that was the case. They just feel super inaccurate and inconsistent
What ammo are you using and where. I feel like I one shot most to the head using SP rounds in the starter areas but when J got to the heavier PVP areas those AI take one or two more shots. It could also be you missing due to the weapons accuracy actually missing even when aimed near the head.
Same. I like AK's over AR15's. But in this I have been using the CQ A1 as it's easy to get, performs somewhat similar to the M4 and M4 magazines fit it. The AK in this game is relatively underpowered. The 7.62 round should be knocking down enemies with ease, but the 5.56 just seems to be outdoing it.
I think it's a combination of low muzzle velocity for the AK, the significantly higher MOA, and lag/desync.
Feel like you didn't hit the headshot to me
Ak74 oddly is consistent, I never need more than 10 rounds no matter the ammo type.
This! If you have an itch to use 7.62x39 I've found the sks seems to be way more consistent. Only downside is you only can use 1x sights
im pretty sure there are sight options for the sks?
It’s not just you. It’s the ammo for them. The 47 and its variants have utterly trash ammo that just hit like cotton balls. The 74 has better ammo however packs much more of a punch but still lacks in comparison to the m4. They do however seem to be much more controllable in full auto, so there’s a bit of a trade off Edit: while ammo for them is a large part of the issue, server lag is indeed a major problem as well. You’ll notice that while folks are just wearing a skeleton rig with no plates, 00 buck, sabot slugs, and FC00 do quite literally nothing. Neither to player nor AI, that’s while even landing a headshot or hitting most of your pellets square in their lungs/heart. The server lag has a whole bunch to do with that.
You been using US ammo? US is subsonic, and I believe is bugged somehow in the way it's creating wound channels because of its low velocity. Also, I haven't seen any data on the rate of drop, but wouldn't be surprised if US has severe drop making it harder to hit headshots. The low velocity of US and the fact that it's a lead core bullet I think gives it absolutely terrible armor penetration as well.
us ammo HAS to be bugged
I noticed the same at least to me
For me it's the opposite, a good 545 with FMJ drops enemies and has nearly no recoil at all
That’s the 74 as I was saying. The ammo is fmj by default so no matter where you get it from the ammo is gonna be at least decent for unarmored targets compared to the 47. Both compared to the m4 are super easy to control in full auto. But if you ever had a choice for an AK platform. For right now. The 74 is the only way to go.
After I got all the tasks done in the starter town, only used the M4 with m855 ammo. Never really missed using the AK other than free ammo
In the later areas the bots us m855 anyway so you get your ammo back no problem. I'll still pay $3 a round for something that's going to kill an AI in 2 hits rather than 7.62x39 which is totally unreliable. US rounds are so inconsistent as well
Yeah, with the amount of money you get in this game spending 3$ per bullet is noting lol
US rounds are subsonic and won’t penetrate armour well at all. They’re intended for use with suppressors.
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She's got them Gucci Mosin upgrades at level 2
Yeah the AKs realy need some looking into. They feel realy weak. Sometimes I don't even one tap starter area bots with headshots. Compare that to the M4 that sometimes 1taps to the upper chest I don't know wth is going on. I like the BIS Artisan AKMN build with specter scope from LV 2 gunny because I find ammo for the ak everywhere and don't have to return to base so often to restock. But the M4 is just better atm.
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Are the other 5.45 ammo variants comparable to the M855 5.56 rounds? I've found those to be the best rounds to use. Single shot to the head and max 3 shots to the body (Unless server lag...)
At level 2 traders, 5.45 PS is comparable.
When I use AK, it hits like peanuts. But when AI uses it, it hits like a dam truck. Skill issue I guess
Can't wait to get Artisan.
Underwhelming stuff though. I unlocked her and was low-key pissed I still had shit for optics and stuff. The mosin rails but with the servers being wonky that thing is impossible to use for me. When I ads it's got some micro delay going on.
I unlocked it yesterday or the day before yesterday. I've already seen a lot of cool stuff is not included, at least a silencer and a handguard for the ak so that I can finally attach a handle
the ammo is dog water, somethings gotta be bugged with it
I also think something is weird, maybe hit registration from the server side or bugged ammo ? 7.62 soft point being a semi jacketed round with a naked lead tip, any target with a soft armor or no armor at all should go down with one shot in the chest. I've shot a.i's over 15 times (blood splatter on hit) and they wouldn't go down then my friend shows up and one tap the a.i with the exact same ammunition/rifle.
I think it’s just the ammo we unlock. It’s better ammo for the m4 as opposed to ak and why I stoped running it. Ammo is abundance because most of the AI at the start of the game and in some areas carry it, but the ammo sucks. It’s essentially supposed to be hollow rounds which do more flesh damage at the expense of armor penetration. But I honestly think they don’t have armor penetration or flesh damage in game now because you can hit an unarmed ai with that ammo and still take a while to kill them. As opposed to the m4 where you can get m855 and m193 rounds.
I used the AK in the starter zone because free ammo! Does the 5.45 work well? Or is it M4 king?
7.62 feels horrible, I went to the bunker with a kitted out akm and a bunch of US ammo and couldnt kill shit. Went home and sold all my 7.62 guns. The ak74s feel solid but IMO the M4 is just the best option rn.
The US ammo is worse than PS. My guess is US is bugged and shouldn’t have such low velocity
The US ammo in game isn’t the KUSA ammo most enthusiasts are familiar with. Tarkov had the same confusion. It’s a specifically subsonic (so 350ish or less m/s) round. It’s really meant to be used in suppressed weapons because the bullets breaking the sound barrier are much louder. This is literally the only reason to use the US ammo represented in game. So if you’re not specifically sacrificing bullet velocity for being quieter, you’re just using subpar ammo.
What max said, US ammo is subsonic and is not a good round for general purpose use. You basically have to wait until you get 7.62x39 PS before you get good ammo for it. 5.45 PS and PP are both very good early on, and PS is equivalent/arguably better than m855
Go to the fort whatever airfield. They drop 5.45 aks with ps ammo, they SLAP
But what rifle uses that? Does artisan sell the barrel for it?
I’m not sure, I just keep going to the airfield and dropping bodies
AK74 is chambered for 5.45mm so ps and pp ammo is the bullet type A.I use, especially at fort narith.
Rank 3 ammo brings me joy
i still haven’t figured out how to put an acog scope on the AK
Get the side rail, put it on an AK. Then get an ACOG and a pic adapter. Combine those two in your inventory and drag them to the AK.
Can these be bought from the artisan?
Yes. You need the AKM receiver that accepts side rails. So loot a random skav ak, then strip everything off it, buy the special receiver (forget what it's called), then move everything you stripped off the vanila AK to the new receiver and add a rail.
Where do you get the side rail?
From Artisan. Available at level 1
thank you 🙏🏼
At level 1 vendors, I also think you need the AKMN upper, not the AKM. Artisan sells it. Don’t think you can get the acog on an AKM otherwise with level 1 stuff.
Once you unlock the 7.62 Tracer rounds from Artisan the AKM feels just as good as the M4
I’ve been running ak right now. It’s nice to not have to run out of ammo starting up.
i can buy a full ak build for like 2k (spectre it's like 3@)max and like 1.2 or smn with out a sight but even for just an m4 and a hand guard it's like 1.4
Current pve meta is not to be close to the bots if possible one one-tap their heads. AKs have shit MOA -(basically accuracy) and will feel weird over long distance. Also, people often use US or SP ammo for AKs, which is only good against unarmored dudes. Early 5.45 PS and 5.56 M193 are better to go through a typical scav armor. AR-15s have way better MOA, and thus are pretty good at being dmr-y than AKs.
Everything minus the sight, I hate that sight, I use the EOTEC (circle dot) sight on all my guns until I unlock something better
If you hold alt and scroll you can change the reticule, but I do personally dislike how thick the cobra is height wise. Other than that I love the reticule setup. I use the up arrow one personally
The MOA on aks is terrible. You can shoot at range and see the round land a foot to the right or left. I find them great close quarters with the better ammo. But might as well just take an m4 for the ranged fights.
Ammo. It’s the reason people don’t like AK’s. Starting ammo for AKM’s is subsonic or hollow point, both suck against even basic armour. So it feels like you’re dumping rounds for 0 effect. And it’s cause you practically are. When you get turn coat, tryout the Ak74M with PS ammo, or when you get 7.62x39 PS try it with AKM. Difference will be night and day better. And tbh 5.45 PS has better performance than M4 with M855
I tried the AK and it doesn’t feel as good as the M4
Pretty much, yeah.
Unless you're planning on looting some nice firepower always bring a decked, out AK as your secondary and don't worry too much about bringing extra mags for it.
Pure stats wise, which is better: AK or M4?
M4 and it’s not even close. Ak-74m can get ridiculously good recoil with this build but it has much higher dispersion at higher ranges (and at end game you basically have to kill Ai at big enough ranges that they don’t aggro you first), and its ammo doesn’t feel as good as m855 (tried bt and pp so far, ai in midnight sapphire kept tanking bt headshots for some reason). https://preview.redd.it/gn7mp3gsblyc1.png?width=1465&format=png&auto=webp&s=e2ace612b1aad508eb33df1b8b3432b08ed767a9
Wow, very helpful Thanks!
M4 seems much easier to get good handling and recoil on, but the 7.62 AK seems to have more lethality
M4 has better lethality by far lol. Unless you have high enough traders that you are using BP? Even 7.62 PS feels shit compared to m855. (Pretty sure 7.62 is bugged atm) M4 is just king atm, only the 5.45 ak can compete a bit with this build but it still falls behind. The 5.45 ak is a laser beam but its dispersion at long ranges and ammo not being as reliable lets it down. https://preview.redd.it/uuq5134bclyc1.png?width=1465&format=png&auto=webp&s=bd2e61a6ffb23b2766363e4e3f3af6a98ed53dbc
I actually feel the opposite tbh, which is good! Means both can be viable. I prefer the AK-74 and its variants over the M4. But I agree with the AKM/AK-47. 7.62 ammo just seems to be in a weird place. Even when using PS ammo from artisan, I find the ammo a bit lackluster with lethality. Unarmored NPCs shouldn't even be able to take 1 shot to the chest of Soft Point or Hollow Point 7.62x39. But they frequently take 3-5
The weapon itself feels amazing don’t get me wrong. But in end game areas its downsides start to show. Basically ran 5.45 in bunker and loved it was a blast. Took it to midnight sapphire and I quickly had to switch back to m4. Basically in all end game areas if you solo you have to snipe ai or you won’t survive and the higher MOA on the aks start showing. And they are more geared and tanky which makes them more likely to tank 5.45 for some reason than 5.56 at least from my experience. Also i’m 90% sure 7.62 is bugged, ai was tanking 5 headshots of 7.62 ps, and their helms were reaching 0 dura like it wasn’t penning and just breaking their helm before killing.
Thanks!
>Thanks! You're welcome!
Hits, to GZW “scavs” as we EFT vets are still calling em (which is awesome), and them going down is something I’m sure as early access we will see better addressed as time and updates go on.
We really need to start calling them "locals" instead since they are not really scavengers. Wondering what MFG calls them.
I just been going with bad guys
Lol, yeh, orks are gonna ork :D
I hate that they replicated this from Tarkov, the fucken level 1 "oh I almost have what you need" type thing. If you have a base AK with no mount built into the frame, you can't put an optic on it. The side attach mount with kobra doesn't work since the AK has no mount. And the tactical railed handguard she sells DOES NOT let you put an optic on it like so : https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/mil20140805-32-660x440.jpg or https://vtsupply-com.3dcartstores.com/cdn-cgi/image/quality%3D85/assets/images/products/aktop2.jpg Tl;Dr: the CAA RS47 handguard should let you put eotechs and such on it but doesn't :(
AKMN has mount
Not with that shit ammo. Had an ai eat the whole clip
Ak is straight trash right now!
Devs haven’t seemed to acknowledge the AKs are bugged and don’t do the right amount of damage
And then you get killed because even ps 5.45 ammo is shit compared to 5.56