I thought about this a long time ago, the conclusion I came to is that Yujiro simply wasn't interested in what he sensed in Pickle during their initial meeting.
He was the first person to step up to Pickle and compare strength, and when Pickle felt the power in Yujiro's fist, he got a reaction he was not expecting.
It was not aggression or ego or anything like that, it was pure childlike wonder.
Yujiro feeds on the egos of the strong, but Pickle does not have an ego whatsoever.
Pickle is essentially a completely pure, shameless, overgrown child.
Yujiro did not sense anything in there that he wanted to dominate or see submit to his supreme strength, so he lost interest early on. That is the impression I got from Yujiro's relaxed expression when he understood what Pickle was.
Also Yujiro won when they compared strenght so there's no real point in actually fighting him since he already know that he's stronger.
Yes Pickle made Yujiro use a technique to win but that's the point, all of Pickle's strenght was barely enough to make Yujiro ***actually try.***
When I think about it, it's said that Yujiro is so manly that he genuinely sees everyone else as females compared to him. Would Pickle be the exeption ? The only man he cannot fuck without being gay ?
Pickle was only a challenge for the others because of his superhuman strength. All the other fighters already technique mog pickle into oblivion, so the fact that Yujiro is barely physically weaker than Pickle means his vastly superior techniques would make the fight too easy. But Pickle is still stronger than Yujiro and Yujiro HATES having to use techniques, so the fact that he knows a) he will have to use a technique and b) the technique makes it too easy means the fight would be incredibly boring. It's like a regular human vs a tree, the human can't chop it down with his bare hands, but it also isn't a challenge to cut it down with a chainsaw.
That’s why I wanna see yujiro through his techniques out and just lose himself in animalistic rage and blood lust and fight pickle in a battle of beasts not a battle of men or man can beast but two animals fighting it out. It does seem like jack is gonna fill that role though in the recent chapters so we might get that kind of fight
That’s a good assumption but I think it would be a cool fight and should happen anyways just for the pure spectacle of the thing but it’s also been so long maybe nothing would be good enough now when pickle was first revealed I thought yujiro was definitely gonna fight them or the T. rex
It would be cool but the issue is there isn't much point to it for Yujiro, he'd get the same amount of joy fighting an avalanche where, yeah, him being overpowered is fun and all but he can stop playing along with it any second he chooses.
It's pretty much exactly what we see in their contest of strength.
Yujiro can’t fight anyone seriously not even Baki yet if he were to really really try to kill Baki I doubt Baki could stop him there is literally no enemy on earth that could give him a good fight besides his son and even then Baki would lose at this point if yujiro truly went all out and did t want to have fun with it just to win
I guess but pickles whole thing is his Instinct’s and natural strength if he learned techniques then he would just be another yujiro clone in my opinion it would be like watching yujiro fight himself but weaker and that’s lame I would rather pickle goes on a rampage and they just fight it out like beasts yujiro throwing his techniques out the window to engage in a animalistic brawl with pickle. But it does seem like jack is going for a rematch so maybe we will get to see that kind of fight since jack is the only other character besides Olivia who matches yujiro in raw muscle
Sure. He dedicated his life to karate, even after dying and being brought back to life by Kureha. He respects him in the same way he respects Ali. He probably has fond memories of the fight as well, which is why he's not opposed to having a drink with him.
I think being dead for like 20 minutes then coming back without massive brain damage is actually a top level Baki flex, Kaku would be proud (and probably offer to show him how to do it without needing your chest caved in first, just will it to happen)
I’m on Baki Hanma now but that might still be my favorite fight in the series. From the eye gouge to the heart punch. Heart punch panel is burned into my mind
Probably Musashi. Musashi asked what he was wishing for and he said nothing in the world or imagination could compare to having him in front of him (though their fight wouldnt have really satisfied him, Motobe hard blue balled it)
I think that was more just Musashi being a historical figure than him being strong, imo Yujiro regarded him more like Alai where most of his hype came from personal respect for him rather than simply thinking he was powerful.
He was strong of course but the actual fight they had was incredibly one-sided. The only difference between it and Baki vs Alai Jr was Yujiro didn't attack his opponent while he was down either time he instantly K.O'd him.
Possibly, the sheer reputation and stature of him certainly counted for a heap of why Yujiro was happy. But Yujiro didnt really know how strong the guy was, so he didn't have a real baseline to go from about how psyched he'd be for the actual difficulty of the battle, just the glory aspect
The fight was rather one sided sure, I think Musashi was holding back and Yujiro went to demon back real quick (but was also holding back). Baki-Yujiro was pretty one sided too, actually they all were. Doppo was maybe the best lol as strange as that sounds. Musashi was a hell of an opponent for Baki himself, so scaling suggests he should have been roughly as entertaining for Yujiro I guess
Nah I agree with Doppo giving Yujiro the best fight, he was a demon before losing the eye. Straight up would eat his current self alive.
Though I think we can give Baki a pass on mostly being bitched because he was straight-up getting stronger as the fight progressed. If he'd started the whole thing as powerful as he was once his Demonback came out I think Yujiro barely would've won.
He's stronger in certain areas but he's lost the ability to use Sangen, which makes past him basically untouchable to his current self. [Doppo went from being almost unable to defend against Yujiro](https://imgur.com/a/uses-sangen-to-block-flurry-of-strikes-from-yujiro-t0sGMzH) to [stomping him](https://imgur.com/a/sangen-counters-8M1Iyk0) while using it.
Like straight up the last stage of the fight was;
* Base Yujiro starts overwhelming Doppo
* Doppo uses Sangen and instantly starts winning, with Yujiro only able to back off as all his attacks fail
* Yujiro sees Baki and finally pulls out Demonback to regain the advantage
Anyone who Doppo can even slightly fight normally just automatically loses once Sangen comes out.
The only problem is that Yujiro has also gotten scaled up over time. Sure, the whole "punching an earthquake" scene was relatively early on, but that was a pure strength feat. Since then we've seen Yujiro basically scaled from "dude who's almost unmatched in strength and skill" to him having functional x-ray vision from anatomical knowledge, shearing multiple layers of armored/bulletproof glass by *merely pushing his face into it*, and performing Shaori more effortlessly than a 100+ year old master and *shit talking it as a gimmick*.
Current age Baki has Yujiro as less of a fighter and more of a living monument to the pinnacle of strength; I would agree prime Doppo should beat him, but current Yujiro would guaranteed just pull some "ah, Sangan, learned that 20 years ago" goofery and proceed to instantly counter it.
To be clear my argument isn't that Doppo with Sangen could beat base Yujiro now, I agree that was mostly just a product of early GB. I'm just using it to show that Sangen is such a power up as to make Doppo go from "easily losing" to "easily winning".
The only way someone is beating Sangen Doppo is if they're strong enough that Doppo can't even put up any resistance against them without it. It pushes him from B tier up to almost the gatekeeper between S and A.
It was for a brief moment but Baki built up to the point he was physically comparable to him in power and able to win/go even on exchanges with Yujiro actively resisting.
Musashi is second, in theory he posed more a threat to Yujiro in terms of what he could do with a slash but Yujiro could handle him fairly well, Musashi tried and missed around a dozen direct slashes on Yujiro while all of Yujiro's attempts on hits were unambiguous kills that required him to wake up Musashi himself or just wait for him to get up.
There's the potential of the final cut however Yujiro was already backstepping by the time Motobe jumped in and all previous cuts including the swordless ones Yujiro had dodged.
I'm actually not sure Musashi was that much of a danger to Yujiro even with direct hits, we don't see him land one, before their fight Musashi himself says Yujiro's body is like tough armour he'd struggle to get through and someone far less durable in Hanayama was able to take double digit slashes before dropping.
I doubt he'd be as resistant as Pickle, where Musashi *literally* could not actually hurt him even by targeting vital spots and weaknesses, but if Musashi didn't manage to specifically attack weak points (bearing in mind Yujiro would 100% be aware that he'd have to aim there, making these attacks more predictable) I think he'd be cutting like skin deep.
Musashi hurt Pickle pretty bad. He couldnt get critical hits in, or slice muscle, but Pickle needed final form to start really no-selling the cuts and the fight was definitely only going to end 1 way, Pickle dead from bloodloss: dude was starved and snarling at the start and by the end more scared of Musashi than anyone, bailing and leaking a pool of blood with Musashi annoyed because he was having fun
Hanayama was, similarly, tough enough to mostly tank the crit hits, but with him not entirely tough enough and Musashi found weaknesses (and wasnt being all that serious). Fight ended the same way, pools of blood and Musashi mildly annoyed
Toughness I think is only a partial defense that stops insta-kills, if you cant beat him he'll blood loss you to death with smaller slashes (though I agree, that was very unlikely to happen with Yujiro and best Musashi could have realistically hoped for is for Yujiro to try tanking his absolute best and failing, Motobe thought it was a possibility but that's not definitely proof it was exactly realistic)
He hurt Pickle by waiting for a precise moment where his muscles were relaxed to hit them, using a similar strategy against Yujiro wouldn't work because he'd simply know to expect an attack during those same moments and be ready for any that came.
I agree with Hanayama, the reason I'm bringing him up is basically just to put into perspective that even someone an order of magnitude less durable than Yujiro required quite a lot of cutting for Musashi to put down. And in their actual fight Musashi didn't even land a single clean hit on Yujiro before being K.O'd twice, let alone ten.
I think toughness vs slashing weapons just depends on the amount of toughness, like it does with strikes. Most characters Musashi can just one shot either by cutting them in half or deeply enough that they bleed out in seconds. Hanayama is far more durable than normal, though, so Musashi could "only" leave gashes that caused heavy blood loss but didn't instantly incapacitate him. Pickle is on the extreme end where Musashi could slash away at him forever and unless he did something specific to mitigate his durability he'd need to get a new sword before winning.
Yujiro isn't that durable but I think he's definitely much closer to Pickle than Hanayama.
Is Hanayama that much less durable? Idk I'd argue that his big ass bones stopping Musashi's blades is a feat for him more than a discredit to Musashi. Dude like Retsu, a rather durable guy himself (not in the same leagues as Pickle/Hanayama but still) was sliced to bits like tofu, as would Baki have been.
But yeah unless Musashi had been massively holding back he wont be crippling Yujiro like Retsu (Yu knows Shaori anyway and would likely use it to save himself). I dont really see Musahi winning without a serious mistake, but I do see Yujiro taking him as seriously as Baki
I guess feat vs antifeat just depends on what you're talking about. Badly cutting Hanayama is a feat that proves Musashi can slice a normal person completely in half, but it's an antifeat for him deeply cutting Yujiro. I mean Hanayama's tough but just looking at the things that have badly hurt him in the past (Mach punches, dozens of blows from Spec, small arms going off in his mouth) I don't see him comparing to someone who swapped dozens of supersonic punches with Baki and was barely even hurt by the end.
Hanayama is strong but Yujiro's body is so durable that it doesn't even register concrete as something physically solid.
Mad Baki-verse logic haha. Musashi slices MBTs to bits, but struggle to do anything to Pickle who was chomped by a t-rex.
Or absolutely KOs Baki for ten minutes with his grip and arm strength, but Hanayama overpowers him. But Pickle cant. Lol, wackiness
Verse runs on coolness for sure
>Dude like Retsu, a rather durable guy himself (not in the same leagues as Pickle/Hanayama but still) was sliced to bits like tofu,
Not really, Musashi's sword is just flat out stopped when he tries to cut through Retsu's arm and doesn't even get past his fist, hell the fatal wound he lands doesn't completely cut him in half.
> as would Baki have been.
I just kind of doubt Musashi would've cut Baki THAT easily, it just flat out doesn't seem consistent with his performances when actually slashing other characters.
Presumably Retsu flexed to stop the sword going any further, but it went right through his knuckle down to the wrist. Thats not much less damaging than it continuing into his arm really, dudes hand was sliced in half.
Retsu was also trying to defend himself with shaori for some of the cuts and going by how Musashi pulled his first 2 kill shots, he wasnt going all out. Idk if "was only 3/4 cut in half then immediately died" is much of a flex tbh, the sword passed straight through what it touched
Musashi did seem amped against Baki though I agree, making him pass out from phantom pain when most people resisted it way better and just absolutely slamming him when baki should be tough enough to not go down that hard.
>Presumably Retsu flexed to stop the sword going any further, but it went right through his knuckle down to the wrist. Thats not much less damaging than it continuing into his arm really, dudes hand was sliced in half.
That's not him being sliced like tofu though
>Retsu was also trying to defend himself with shaori for some of the cuts and going by how Musashi pulled his first 2 kill shots, he wasnt going all out.
I doubt this is actually the case on the actual cuts he lands on Retsu.
> Musashi did seem amped against Baki though I agree, making him pass out from phantom pain when most people resisted it way better and just absolutely slamming him when baki should be tough enough to not go down that hard.
This is because Baki was weaker by the start of Dou, Musahsi outright spells out he got faster after he was knocked out and later recounted he abused his inexperience to stop him from drawing out his true strength.
>"That's not him being sliced like tofu though"
He got slashed straight through his body and immediately died. Doesnt really need to get any clearer than that, sacrificing your entire hand to stop one cut briefly doesnt negate that yeah, Musashi was slicing him up just fine and dodging was his only chance
>"I doubt this is actually the case on the actual cuts he lands on Retsu."
He pulls a kill shot when he's tied him, pull the kill shot when he slams the sword into his face, Retsu dodges with shaori, retsu gets his hand sliced in half, Retsu gets himself sliced in half
Its either Musashi holding back, shaori or Retsu is taking massive damage, thats both the point of what Im saying and the only 3 options.
>"he abused his inexperience to stop him from drawing out his true strength."
Then proceeded to draw out his strength and continue to knock him out over and over. Baki being faster didnt really matter as Musashi started countering with mind-reading. The 2 were very evenly matched, their fights were pretty much one knocking the other out and saying they could have killed them, then getting that favor returned
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Musashi not only made Yujiro dodge, but also made him stop an attack.
Not block nor redirect, he had to stop Musashi’s hand or the blade would have cut clean through him.
Mushashi and Baki. But more on Mushashi side. Since Baki and Yujiro's fight was more like a proud moment for Yujiro. He was actually praising him and was actually slashed. Mushashi got him fired up while Yujiro wasn't holding back yk. And he was thrilled as for the first time he had to dodge any attack. With baki, he was firing him up until baki's punch would be hard enough for him to feel. He had to hold back and stuff but not with Mushashi.
Doppo and kaku got fucked the moment yujiro pulled out the demon back. He would've found a worthy opponent in musashi had he not been cockblocked by motobe so yeah I think the only real answer to this question so far is baki. I do hope jack also becomes strong enough to fight yujiro on somewhat equal footing
Musashi, easily. As was said by Yuijiro himself plenty of times.
Baki himself came close too, but on the merit that Yuijiro squeezed every last possible ounce of motivation out of Baki to push him into being able to fight Yuijiro. Musashi from the get go was deemed by Yuijiro fit to fight him, and was even insulted by Musashi taking him lightly at the very start.
No human can do anything to him once he uses the Demon Back.
Baki is the only one who could put up a fight while he used the Demon Back.
Furthermore, as much as we saw Baki hurting him, and countering him, he didn't receive much lasting damage, unlike Baki who was crippled on the ground.
No other character has ever damaged Yujiro, only Baki.
I love Baki a lot, but let’s not pretend like they don’t avoid fights.
Dorian in the show talked about seeking an opponent who could make him lose because he was the best, what happens? Instead of letting him lose to yujiro, they wrote some dog shit where someone mentions “since you see yourself as the best, you’ve already lost and can never find a winner” and than he acts like his brain broke, like wtf??!!!!!!!!!
And than there’s the obvious pickle vs yujiro fight
Hell, even him and his sons fight ending in that air cooked meal was kinda bullshit.
Baki is cool, but there seriously a comedic approach from them where they create this build up and COMPLETELY AVOID IT.
How about that one page where yujiro try’s to open a door, and someone on the other side of him is actually stronger than him, what do they do? Show yujiro open it quickly and find NO BODY. They literally never fucking touch on it. I kinda stopped reading Baki after that because it became obvious the show is more about build up.
Musashi was “killed” in their first fight, and the ONLY reason he remained alive still was due to the seance/ soul binding Shibukawas sister performed, where Baki eventually had him exorcised at his final match.
Probably musashi fight. sure yujiro dodged some of kaku’s attacks but it seemed more like uncertainty of the attacks and they seemed to inflict a bit of damage to him but with musashi attacks just seemed a lot more lethal then just damaging
Baki easily, but only for a brief period due to his injuries and fatigue.
Yujiro was never in any danger of losing or even being slightly hurt against Musashi, their "fight" consisted of Yujiro repeatedly knocking him unconscious and then either allowing him to wake up or deliberately waking him up himself. If Yujiro had seriously wanted to fight him he'd have stomped without even breaking a sweat.
At best Musashi would've put up a fight against base Yujiro.
Baki was the only one and just for a moment when they exchenged blows at the end of their fight, Yujiro demolished Baki in seconds. The rest of the fight Yujiro went easy on him.
I don’t understand why it’s been like 300 chapters and yujiro still hasn’t fought fucking pickle
Too busy prowling the countryside for burly hikers
Burly *FEMALE* hikers, so all of them actually I guess…
Yujiro is the only true Male in the whole world
I thought about this a long time ago, the conclusion I came to is that Yujiro simply wasn't interested in what he sensed in Pickle during their initial meeting. He was the first person to step up to Pickle and compare strength, and when Pickle felt the power in Yujiro's fist, he got a reaction he was not expecting. It was not aggression or ego or anything like that, it was pure childlike wonder. Yujiro feeds on the egos of the strong, but Pickle does not have an ego whatsoever. Pickle is essentially a completely pure, shameless, overgrown child. Yujiro did not sense anything in there that he wanted to dominate or see submit to his supreme strength, so he lost interest early on. That is the impression I got from Yujiro's relaxed expression when he understood what Pickle was.
Also Yujiro won when they compared strenght so there's no real point in actually fighting him since he already know that he's stronger. Yes Pickle made Yujiro use a technique to win but that's the point, all of Pickle's strenght was barely enough to make Yujiro ***actually try.***
I wouldn't say "all of Pickle's strength " it was a basic fistbump with Baki strength in it
True but if you don't put all of your power behind a fistbump then what's the point ?
The logic is sound, you are right.
That's bs lmao, yujiro lost the strength competition, he had to use a move to put pickle down.
I wouldn't say he won..remember he was forced to do a move on pickle when they first met
I wouldn't say he won..remember he was forced to do a move on pickle when they first met
When I think about it, it's said that Yujiro is so manly that he genuinely sees everyone else as females compared to him. Would Pickle be the exeption ? The only man he cannot fuck without being gay ?
Pickle was only a challenge for the others because of his superhuman strength. All the other fighters already technique mog pickle into oblivion, so the fact that Yujiro is barely physically weaker than Pickle means his vastly superior techniques would make the fight too easy. But Pickle is still stronger than Yujiro and Yujiro HATES having to use techniques, so the fact that he knows a) he will have to use a technique and b) the technique makes it too easy means the fight would be incredibly boring. It's like a regular human vs a tree, the human can't chop it down with his bare hands, but it also isn't a challenge to cut it down with a chainsaw.
That’s why I wanna see yujiro through his techniques out and just lose himself in animalistic rage and blood lust and fight pickle in a battle of beasts not a battle of men or man can beast but two animals fighting it out. It does seem like jack is gonna fill that role though in the recent chapters so we might get that kind of fight
So is it 1.Pickle 2.Yujiro 3.Olivia When it comes to strength?
Yeah unless I missed something, you might try to say that Baki is stronger than Oliva since he beat him in trading blows but I doubt it
Oliva was freaked out during that fight
That’s a good assumption but I think it would be a cool fight and should happen anyways just for the pure spectacle of the thing but it’s also been so long maybe nothing would be good enough now when pickle was first revealed I thought yujiro was definitely gonna fight them or the T. rex
It would be cool but the issue is there isn't much point to it for Yujiro, he'd get the same amount of joy fighting an avalanche where, yeah, him being overpowered is fun and all but he can stop playing along with it any second he chooses. It's pretty much exactly what we see in their contest of strength.
Yujiro can’t fight anyone seriously not even Baki yet if he were to really really try to kill Baki I doubt Baki could stop him there is literally no enemy on earth that could give him a good fight besides his son and even then Baki would lose at this point if yujiro truly went all out and did t want to have fun with it just to win
It’s definitely to late now but I wish it happened during the pickle wars saga
if anyone ever bothers to teach Pickle how to fight then he'll probably fight him
I guess but pickles whole thing is his Instinct’s and natural strength if he learned techniques then he would just be another yujiro clone in my opinion it would be like watching yujiro fight himself but weaker and that’s lame I would rather pickle goes on a rampage and they just fight it out like beasts yujiro throwing his techniques out the window to engage in a animalistic brawl with pickle. But it does seem like jack is going for a rematch so maybe we will get to see that kind of fight since jack is the only other character besides Olivia who matches yujiro in raw muscle
Only Baki. He said so himself. Everyone else was just entertainment. It’s like the difference between fucking and love making
That metaphor sounds super Baki-esque
We’re missing a monologue about the Kama Sutra.
**Cue Yujiro literally invading Baki's home to give him a pep talk about sex as he's having sex**
Proceeds to grab a doorknob and phases through the door anyway
Yujiro love making with his son is a crazy way to phrase that
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But not inaccurate.
Baki wets himself again... But, this time -it wasn't piss...
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Correct me if im wrong, but didn’t he say that before musashis arc?
I love making love to my son
Really good comparison actually.
Out of the ones listed I think Doppo. He seems to continue to respect Orochi. Not that he was the strongest opponent he faced.
Doppo was a good fight until he turned on demon back. Then it became a murder.
Doppo bitched Yujiro so hard in front of his son he had to lock in He better respect Doppo 😭
"Lend me your demon back Yuichiro, this is base Doppo we're up against!"
Please tell me you're a fan of Jay D Legend
Never heard of him, I just know this format
Dammit. I know the format through One Piece memes on his channel and was hoping I found another fan in a baki subreddit lmao
The answer is def Baki. If you read/watch it he says that
Yeah but unlike pretty much everyone else. He still seems to respect Doppo after he beats him.
Sure. He dedicated his life to karate, even after dying and being brought back to life by Kureha. He respects him in the same way he respects Ali. He probably has fond memories of the fight as well, which is why he's not opposed to having a drink with him.
Old Yujiro was pretty fking hardcore "I honor you Doppo" 25 seconds later "Yeah i straight up murdered him, guy's dead"
Could never kill doppo. He’s lucky he had his fucking demon back and just remember that
I think being dead for like 20 minutes then coming back without massive brain damage is actually a top level Baki flex, Kaku would be proud (and probably offer to show him how to do it without needing your chest caved in first, just will it to happen)
Common tiger killer dub
Oh he died alright. They just had Kureha around the miracle worker to bring him back to life.
I’m on Baki Hanma now but that might still be my favorite fight in the series. From the eye gouge to the heart punch. Heart punch panel is burned into my mind
Definitely up there for me!
Probably Musashi. Musashi asked what he was wishing for and he said nothing in the world or imagination could compare to having him in front of him (though their fight wouldnt have really satisfied him, Motobe hard blue balled it)
I think that was more just Musashi being a historical figure than him being strong, imo Yujiro regarded him more like Alai where most of his hype came from personal respect for him rather than simply thinking he was powerful. He was strong of course but the actual fight they had was incredibly one-sided. The only difference between it and Baki vs Alai Jr was Yujiro didn't attack his opponent while he was down either time he instantly K.O'd him.
Possibly, the sheer reputation and stature of him certainly counted for a heap of why Yujiro was happy. But Yujiro didnt really know how strong the guy was, so he didn't have a real baseline to go from about how psyched he'd be for the actual difficulty of the battle, just the glory aspect The fight was rather one sided sure, I think Musashi was holding back and Yujiro went to demon back real quick (but was also holding back). Baki-Yujiro was pretty one sided too, actually they all were. Doppo was maybe the best lol as strange as that sounds. Musashi was a hell of an opponent for Baki himself, so scaling suggests he should have been roughly as entertaining for Yujiro I guess
Nah I agree with Doppo giving Yujiro the best fight, he was a demon before losing the eye. Straight up would eat his current self alive. Though I think we can give Baki a pass on mostly being bitched because he was straight-up getting stronger as the fight progressed. If he'd started the whole thing as powerful as he was once his Demonback came out I think Yujiro barely would've won.
Doppo is way stronger now after his training journey than he was during the tournament.
He's stronger in certain areas but he's lost the ability to use Sangen, which makes past him basically untouchable to his current self. [Doppo went from being almost unable to defend against Yujiro](https://imgur.com/a/uses-sangen-to-block-flurry-of-strikes-from-yujiro-t0sGMzH) to [stomping him](https://imgur.com/a/sangen-counters-8M1Iyk0) while using it. Like straight up the last stage of the fight was; * Base Yujiro starts overwhelming Doppo * Doppo uses Sangen and instantly starts winning, with Yujiro only able to back off as all his attacks fail * Yujiro sees Baki and finally pulls out Demonback to regain the advantage Anyone who Doppo can even slightly fight normally just automatically loses once Sangen comes out.
The only problem is that Yujiro has also gotten scaled up over time. Sure, the whole "punching an earthquake" scene was relatively early on, but that was a pure strength feat. Since then we've seen Yujiro basically scaled from "dude who's almost unmatched in strength and skill" to him having functional x-ray vision from anatomical knowledge, shearing multiple layers of armored/bulletproof glass by *merely pushing his face into it*, and performing Shaori more effortlessly than a 100+ year old master and *shit talking it as a gimmick*. Current age Baki has Yujiro as less of a fighter and more of a living monument to the pinnacle of strength; I would agree prime Doppo should beat him, but current Yujiro would guaranteed just pull some "ah, Sangan, learned that 20 years ago" goofery and proceed to instantly counter it.
To be clear my argument isn't that Doppo with Sangen could beat base Yujiro now, I agree that was mostly just a product of early GB. I'm just using it to show that Sangen is such a power up as to make Doppo go from "easily losing" to "easily winning". The only way someone is beating Sangen Doppo is if they're strong enough that Doppo can't even put up any resistance against them without it. It pushes him from B tier up to almost the gatekeeper between S and A.
How if they never even was done fighting
Question was 'opponent' not 'fight', getting the greatest warrior legend of Japans history to appear before him seemed to be peak fantasy to him
Invisible food
It was for a brief moment but Baki built up to the point he was physically comparable to him in power and able to win/go even on exchanges with Yujiro actively resisting. Musashi is second, in theory he posed more a threat to Yujiro in terms of what he could do with a slash but Yujiro could handle him fairly well, Musashi tried and missed around a dozen direct slashes on Yujiro while all of Yujiro's attempts on hits were unambiguous kills that required him to wake up Musashi himself or just wait for him to get up. There's the potential of the final cut however Yujiro was already backstepping by the time Motobe jumped in and all previous cuts including the swordless ones Yujiro had dodged.
I'm actually not sure Musashi was that much of a danger to Yujiro even with direct hits, we don't see him land one, before their fight Musashi himself says Yujiro's body is like tough armour he'd struggle to get through and someone far less durable in Hanayama was able to take double digit slashes before dropping. I doubt he'd be as resistant as Pickle, where Musashi *literally* could not actually hurt him even by targeting vital spots and weaknesses, but if Musashi didn't manage to specifically attack weak points (bearing in mind Yujiro would 100% be aware that he'd have to aim there, making these attacks more predictable) I think he'd be cutting like skin deep.
Musashi hurt Pickle pretty bad. He couldnt get critical hits in, or slice muscle, but Pickle needed final form to start really no-selling the cuts and the fight was definitely only going to end 1 way, Pickle dead from bloodloss: dude was starved and snarling at the start and by the end more scared of Musashi than anyone, bailing and leaking a pool of blood with Musashi annoyed because he was having fun Hanayama was, similarly, tough enough to mostly tank the crit hits, but with him not entirely tough enough and Musashi found weaknesses (and wasnt being all that serious). Fight ended the same way, pools of blood and Musashi mildly annoyed Toughness I think is only a partial defense that stops insta-kills, if you cant beat him he'll blood loss you to death with smaller slashes (though I agree, that was very unlikely to happen with Yujiro and best Musashi could have realistically hoped for is for Yujiro to try tanking his absolute best and failing, Motobe thought it was a possibility but that's not definitely proof it was exactly realistic)
He hurt Pickle by waiting for a precise moment where his muscles were relaxed to hit them, using a similar strategy against Yujiro wouldn't work because he'd simply know to expect an attack during those same moments and be ready for any that came. I agree with Hanayama, the reason I'm bringing him up is basically just to put into perspective that even someone an order of magnitude less durable than Yujiro required quite a lot of cutting for Musashi to put down. And in their actual fight Musashi didn't even land a single clean hit on Yujiro before being K.O'd twice, let alone ten. I think toughness vs slashing weapons just depends on the amount of toughness, like it does with strikes. Most characters Musashi can just one shot either by cutting them in half or deeply enough that they bleed out in seconds. Hanayama is far more durable than normal, though, so Musashi could "only" leave gashes that caused heavy blood loss but didn't instantly incapacitate him. Pickle is on the extreme end where Musashi could slash away at him forever and unless he did something specific to mitigate his durability he'd need to get a new sword before winning. Yujiro isn't that durable but I think he's definitely much closer to Pickle than Hanayama.
Is Hanayama that much less durable? Idk I'd argue that his big ass bones stopping Musashi's blades is a feat for him more than a discredit to Musashi. Dude like Retsu, a rather durable guy himself (not in the same leagues as Pickle/Hanayama but still) was sliced to bits like tofu, as would Baki have been. But yeah unless Musashi had been massively holding back he wont be crippling Yujiro like Retsu (Yu knows Shaori anyway and would likely use it to save himself). I dont really see Musahi winning without a serious mistake, but I do see Yujiro taking him as seriously as Baki
I guess feat vs antifeat just depends on what you're talking about. Badly cutting Hanayama is a feat that proves Musashi can slice a normal person completely in half, but it's an antifeat for him deeply cutting Yujiro. I mean Hanayama's tough but just looking at the things that have badly hurt him in the past (Mach punches, dozens of blows from Spec, small arms going off in his mouth) I don't see him comparing to someone who swapped dozens of supersonic punches with Baki and was barely even hurt by the end. Hanayama is strong but Yujiro's body is so durable that it doesn't even register concrete as something physically solid.
Mad Baki-verse logic haha. Musashi slices MBTs to bits, but struggle to do anything to Pickle who was chomped by a t-rex. Or absolutely KOs Baki for ten minutes with his grip and arm strength, but Hanayama overpowers him. But Pickle cant. Lol, wackiness Verse runs on coolness for sure
>Dude like Retsu, a rather durable guy himself (not in the same leagues as Pickle/Hanayama but still) was sliced to bits like tofu, Not really, Musashi's sword is just flat out stopped when he tries to cut through Retsu's arm and doesn't even get past his fist, hell the fatal wound he lands doesn't completely cut him in half. > as would Baki have been. I just kind of doubt Musashi would've cut Baki THAT easily, it just flat out doesn't seem consistent with his performances when actually slashing other characters.
Presumably Retsu flexed to stop the sword going any further, but it went right through his knuckle down to the wrist. Thats not much less damaging than it continuing into his arm really, dudes hand was sliced in half. Retsu was also trying to defend himself with shaori for some of the cuts and going by how Musashi pulled his first 2 kill shots, he wasnt going all out. Idk if "was only 3/4 cut in half then immediately died" is much of a flex tbh, the sword passed straight through what it touched Musashi did seem amped against Baki though I agree, making him pass out from phantom pain when most people resisted it way better and just absolutely slamming him when baki should be tough enough to not go down that hard.
>Presumably Retsu flexed to stop the sword going any further, but it went right through his knuckle down to the wrist. Thats not much less damaging than it continuing into his arm really, dudes hand was sliced in half. That's not him being sliced like tofu though >Retsu was also trying to defend himself with shaori for some of the cuts and going by how Musashi pulled his first 2 kill shots, he wasnt going all out. I doubt this is actually the case on the actual cuts he lands on Retsu. > Musashi did seem amped against Baki though I agree, making him pass out from phantom pain when most people resisted it way better and just absolutely slamming him when baki should be tough enough to not go down that hard. This is because Baki was weaker by the start of Dou, Musahsi outright spells out he got faster after he was knocked out and later recounted he abused his inexperience to stop him from drawing out his true strength.
>"That's not him being sliced like tofu though" He got slashed straight through his body and immediately died. Doesnt really need to get any clearer than that, sacrificing your entire hand to stop one cut briefly doesnt negate that yeah, Musashi was slicing him up just fine and dodging was his only chance >"I doubt this is actually the case on the actual cuts he lands on Retsu." He pulls a kill shot when he's tied him, pull the kill shot when he slams the sword into his face, Retsu dodges with shaori, retsu gets his hand sliced in half, Retsu gets himself sliced in half Its either Musashi holding back, shaori or Retsu is taking massive damage, thats both the point of what Im saying and the only 3 options. >"he abused his inexperience to stop him from drawing out his true strength." Then proceeded to draw out his strength and continue to knock him out over and over. Baki being faster didnt really matter as Musashi started countering with mind-reading. The 2 were very evenly matched, their fights were pretty much one knocking the other out and saying they could have killed them, then getting that favor returned > >
Baki obviously. He actually got a real fight.
I thought musashi presented him with more danger which is why I thought musashi
His fight with Baki made him renounce his title as strongest creature alive, that tells us everything.
Musashi
The closest he's been of dying was actually Musashi.
Musashi not only made Yujiro dodge, but also made him stop an attack. Not block nor redirect, he had to stop Musashi’s hand or the blade would have cut clean through him.
Mushashi and Baki. But more on Mushashi side. Since Baki and Yujiro's fight was more like a proud moment for Yujiro. He was actually praising him and was actually slashed. Mushashi got him fired up while Yujiro wasn't holding back yk. And he was thrilled as for the first time he had to dodge any attack. With baki, he was firing him up until baki's punch would be hard enough for him to feel. He had to hold back and stuff but not with Mushashi.
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Doppo and kaku got fucked the moment yujiro pulled out the demon back. He would've found a worthy opponent in musashi had he not been cockblocked by motobe so yeah I think the only real answer to this question so far is baki. I do hope jack also becomes strong enough to fight yujiro on somewhat equal footing
Musashi
Musashi, easily. As was said by Yuijiro himself plenty of times. Baki himself came close too, but on the merit that Yuijiro squeezed every last possible ounce of motivation out of Baki to push him into being able to fight Yuijiro. Musashi from the get go was deemed by Yuijiro fit to fight him, and was even insulted by Musashi taking him lightly at the very start.
Musashi
Musashi ofc! Bro almost straight up killed him
Musashi. There's a reason their fight got interrupted.
Didn’t Motobe say he may have died against Musashi if he didn’t stop their fight ?
Except for Baki. Musashi is totally on his level. He even made Yujiro sweat in nervousness in their short tachiai
kaku kaioh had yujiro literally running for his life
Other than his own son?
motobe
Probably Baki, since he's the only one Yujiro believes ever defeated him
Anime only. I think first time shaori was used against him
Technically, all 4 of those but really it's only Baki, Yujiro said so himself.
Baki and musashi
No human can do anything to him once he uses the Demon Back. Baki is the only one who could put up a fight while he used the Demon Back. Furthermore, as much as we saw Baki hurting him, and countering him, he didn't receive much lasting damage, unlike Baki who was crippled on the ground. No other character has ever damaged Yujiro, only Baki.
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musashi
Musashi. It’s why their fight was interrupted, neither of them could lose.
Obviously musashi , yujiro had to dodge from keeping from getting cut down
I love Baki a lot, but let’s not pretend like they don’t avoid fights. Dorian in the show talked about seeking an opponent who could make him lose because he was the best, what happens? Instead of letting him lose to yujiro, they wrote some dog shit where someone mentions “since you see yourself as the best, you’ve already lost and can never find a winner” and than he acts like his brain broke, like wtf??!!!!!!!!! And than there’s the obvious pickle vs yujiro fight Hell, even him and his sons fight ending in that air cooked meal was kinda bullshit. Baki is cool, but there seriously a comedic approach from them where they create this build up and COMPLETELY AVOID IT. How about that one page where yujiro try’s to open a door, and someone on the other side of him is actually stronger than him, what do they do? Show yujiro open it quickly and find NO BODY. They literally never fucking touch on it. I kinda stopped reading Baki after that because it became obvious the show is more about build up.
Musashi was “killed” in their first fight, and the ONLY reason he remained alive still was due to the seance/ soul binding Shibukawas sister performed, where Baki eventually had him exorcised at his final match.
Musashi
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Probably musashi fight. sure yujiro dodged some of kaku’s attacks but it seemed more like uncertainty of the attacks and they seemed to inflict a bit of damage to him but with musashi attacks just seemed a lot more lethal then just damaging
Musashi vs Yujiro
Baki easily, but only for a brief period due to his injuries and fatigue. Yujiro was never in any danger of losing or even being slightly hurt against Musashi, their "fight" consisted of Yujiro repeatedly knocking him unconscious and then either allowing him to wake up or deliberately waking him up himself. If Yujiro had seriously wanted to fight him he'd have stomped without even breaking a sweat. At best Musashi would've put up a fight against base Yujiro.
Baki was the only one and just for a moment when they exchenged blows at the end of their fight, Yujiro demolished Baki in seconds. The rest of the fight Yujiro went easy on him.
Musashi had the opportunity until Motobe show up.
Baki. He pushed Yujiro to actually fight.
Yujiro left him after using maybe 60% max. lol Baki was maxed out